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    Default Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Russia's new "Atomic Missile Trains"

    12/28/2012 18:25.
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    EVERY SOVIET A-TRAIN'S HAS THREE LAUNCH PADS 12 MISSILES


    Russia plans to use a new battle rail missile complex (BŽRK) carrying the nuclear weapons.

    These missile complexes mobu be handed over to the strategic rocket forces "- he is the official representative of the Russian military-industrial complex.

    In 2005 Russia was kicked out of the use of Soviet BŽRK under treaty to reduce strategic offensive weapons by the Russian Federation 1993rd signed with the United States.

    Russia has decided to return to "combat railway missile complexes" for a new agreement on reducing strategic offensive arms (START-3) does not prohibit their use.

    New BŽRK produce only Russian corporations, and unlike the Soviet model, in its ballistic missile solid fuel will be twice as easy. This will allow you to fit in a rocket rail car.

    BŽRK is specially designed trains that are placed on strategic missiles. Every Soviet BŽRK was equipped with three launchers and 12 missiles was carried under the name "Molodec".

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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    hmmm....

    Reagan, MX-Missile, it was shutdown because of the Soviets (Not because of Reagan, it was a huge mess that the Soviets didn't want to see deployed, I KNOW I was there in Germany when the Bush motorcade was attacked by anti-nuke idiots)

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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    That article says 1981, however, it was in the works well into the 1980s.
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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Russia has decided to return to "combat railway missile complexes" for a new agreement on reducing strategic offensive arms (START-3) does not prohibit their use.
    Could be a few more chips on the table to get some leverage on Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty-3 negotiations.

    Then again, why bother?




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    Transmit this to Valdimir if you would Medevev

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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Between this, the new Boreis with Bulavas, and the road mobile Topols this shows Russia is prepping to fight and win a nuclear war.

    Meanwhile our nuclear fleet is aging with no solid modernization plans and, we've got a President that wants to eliminate them completely.

    Yeah, this will end well...


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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Russian strategic forces will soon have a "rocket trains"

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    The job has been entrusted Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering who made missile systems for the "Topol" and "BULAVA"



    Deputy Defense Minister RF Yuri Borisov announced that Russia starts preparations for production of combat railway missile complexes.

    According to him, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, which designed the missile "Bulava" and "Topol", has already started an experimental-designers' works.

    "These works are at an early stage, for now do not require much financial investment, and are made in accordance with the drawings, technical projects," Borisov said.

    The Soviet Union had a "rocket trains" but went out of use eight years ago in 2005.

    Russia was forced to the regulation of the reduction of strategic offensive arms. START-3 agreement, which is still in force, does not prevent the emergence of new missile systems.

    Just hours after the announcement regarding the elaboration of a new mobile missile system, general secretary of the North Atlantic Alliance Anders Fogh Rasmussen said that-according to the results of the session of the Russia-NATO - is "progress achieved by the PRO."

    Is the new Russian missile complex will be the answer to America's PRO and how will it be effective?

    - Today, as is well known, the Russian missile nuclear potential was found to contain a factor, says the president of the Academy of Geopolitical problems Leonid Ivashov. - But in our military doctrine emphasized that it will be activated in the event of nuclear war, and in the case of an ordinary war, if there is a serious threat to the sovereignty of the country.

    However, every year the potential of our nuclear missile forces neutralized because of advances in American military-industrial complex. Americans, for example, can now continuously watch our installations, to start moving "Topol" underground installations and submarines.

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    Russia Plans Rail-Mounted Nuclear Missiles to Counter US Global Strike Program



    Russia will draft a plan in the coming year to deploy rail-mounted nuclear missiles as a potential response to the United States’ Prompt Global Strike program, the commander of its Strategic Missile Force said on Wednesday.

    “A Defense Ministry report has been submitted to the president and the order has been given to develop a preliminary design of a rail-mounted missile system,” Lt. Gen. Sergei Karakaev said.
    The work will be carried out by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology – the developer of the submarine-launched Bulavanuclear missile – in the first half of next year.

    Karakaev added that defense officials, after analyzing the American system, concluded “there is a need to reconsider the issue of a rail-mounted missile system given its increased survivability and the extent of our railway network.”

    The rail weapons plan appears to be a response to a US program known as Prompt Global Strike that includes development of long-range missiles with conventional explosives in place of nuclear warheads. The United States says the program would increase the options available in responding to high-priority threats around the globe. A high-speed, high-altitude drone has also been considered as part of the program.

    Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the defense industry, a week ago called the program “the most important new strategy being developed by the United States today” and warned that American leaders “must bear in mind, that if we are attacked, in certain circumstances we will of course respond with nuclear weapons.”

    Rogozin has recently championed Russian efforts to develop hypersonic air-launched weapons as a counterpart to similar US developments likely to be part of Prompt Global Strike.

    The US abandoned plans for a rapid global strike capability under President George W. Bush over concerns that the weapons risked triggering an accidental nuclear war.

    Unlike silo-based nuclear missiles, the location of rail-mounted missiles can be kept hidden and camouflaged amidst commercial rail traffic. The last of the Soviet-era SS-24 Scalpel rail-based nuclear missiles was decommissioned in 2005.

    Russia insists that long-range missiles with conventional warheads must count towards the quota of nuclear delivery systems imposed by the New START treaty signed by Russia and the United States in 2011.

    New START does not prohibit the development of rail-based missiles.

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    Russia’s Cold War nuclear missile train back on track in new arms race


    • Ben Hoyle
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    • December 02, 2014 12:00AM




    RUSSIAN scientists are reviving Soviet-era nuclear missile trains as part of the Kremlin’s $530 billion overhaul of its armed forces.

    Disguised military trains loaded with nuclear missiles first rumbled across Russia’s railways in the 1980s. They could travel more than 1000km a day without being detected and could launch missiles from any part of their route, making them a key part of the *Soviet Union’s Cold War arsenal.

    The Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology is designing a new missile launching train, said a source quoted by the Tass news agency. “While the decision to start manufacturing (missile trains) is still pending, the probability is high that it will happen,” the source said. “In the best-case scenario, they will be deployed by the end of the decade, probably somewhere around 2019.”

    Technical studies and cost *estimates are being carried out at the moment.

    Lieutenant General Sergei Karakayev, the commander of the Strategic Missile Force, *announced a year ago that President Vladimir Putin had ordered work to begin on a new design for a missile train to counter the Prompt Global Strike system being developed by the US to *deliver conventional weapons to any target within an hour.

    General Karakayev said his *officers were “frustrated that we do not possess such a system today”. The power of a “nuclear train” with several missiles would be comparable to a division of *stationary intercontinental ballistic missiles, he said. The old missiles weighed 110 tons and needed reinforced tracks because of the force of launch. The new missiles are expected to weigh less than half that, at 47 tons, and could be fired from ordinary track.

    The Soviet Union began testing a train armed with the RT-23 solid-fuel missile in 1983 and the first missile train regiment deployed in October 1987. It looked like an unremarkable freight train, making detection and pre-emptive destruction difficult. In all, 20 missile launchers were deployed by 1988 but combat patrols ceased in the early 90s shortly before the Soviet Union fell apart. The last train was dismantled in 2007.

    Russia is four years into a *10-year transformation of its military. Dmitry Rogozin, the hawkish Deputy Prime Minister, said in September that the country would fully “renovate” its entire nuclear arsenal in the next few years. Russia is also scaling back its co-operation with the US on securing nuclear materials on Russian territory while Moscow has announced it will boycott an international nuclear security summit that US President Barack Obama is hosting in 2016.

    The US has announced a $US10bn ($11.7bn) upgrade of its nuclear weapons arsenal after two reviews found that *decades of neglect had left its most significant line of defence in a state of decay. From 2020 the US plans to spend up to $US1 trillion over three *decades on modernising its nuclear weapons, including a dozen ballistic missile submarines and up to 100 bombers.

    According to Fyodor Lukyanov, chairman of the Council for Foreign and Defence Policy, a think tank with close ties to policy makers, there is concern in Moscow that Russia and the West no longer have “a very clear framework for how to control damage” as there was during the Cold War. “This mechanism has been lost because everyone thought it was not needed any more,” he said.

    Relations between Russia and the West have soured over Moscow’s involvement in Ukraine, which said yesterday that a convoy of 106 vehicles had entered its eastern territory without Kiev’s permission, and accused Moscow of once again using humanitarian aid shipments to send arms to rebels.

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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Another article on the reviving of the missile trains.


    Russia Looks to Revive Nuclear Missile Trains to Counter U.S. Attack Capability

    November 27, 2014

    Russia's Strategic Rocket Forces are considering bringing back iconic Soviet-era nuclear missile trains as Moscow pumps money into a complete overhaul its aging nuclear arsenal.

    According to an unidentified source in the Russian military-industrial complex quoted by the TASS news agency on Thursday, the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology — makers of the Topol, Yars and Bulava missiles — is designing a next-generation missile launching train.

    "While the decision to start manufacturing [missile trains] is still pending, the probability is high that it will happen," the source was quoted as saying, explaining that technical studies and cost estimates are still being conducted.

    "In the best-case scenario, they will be deployed by the end of the decade, probably somewhere around 2019," he said.

    The Russian nuclear forces are the prime beneficiaries of Moscow's sweeping 20 trillion ruble ($500 billion) military rearmament drive, with authorities pledging to completely modernize the country's arsenal with new rockets better suited to respond to modern threats.

    The Soviet Union began deploying nuclear missile trains in 1987. The trains used RT-23 Molodets missiles, built by the giant Yuzhmash machine building plant located in modern day Ukraine. By the time the U.S.S.R. collapsed in 1991, 56 of the missiles were deployed on missile trains. Ukraine stopped building RT-23s, and by 2005 Russia had decommissioned all of them.

    In December last year, Lieutenant General Sergei Karakayev of the Strategic Rocket Forces said that the U.S. Prompt Global Strike program was forcing Russia to begin conducting studies on putting the concept back into practice.

    Prompt Global Strike refers to the development by the U.S. of hypersonic missiles that will be capable of fast, high precision strikes anywhere on the globe.

    In this context, missile trains make a lot of sense for Russian defense strategists. One of the key elements of any nuclear war plan is the ability of your nuclear forces to survive a first strike from an opponent and counterattack with devastating force.

    A missile train would increase the survivability of Russia's nuclear arsenal, complicating efforts to locate its missiles by moving them quickly and consistently around the country.

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    Default Re: Russia returns to "Atomic Combat Railway Missile Trains"

    Russia is preparing for all out nuclear war while we're rapidly disarming.




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    Russia Is Ready To Build A Train That Can Carry And Fire 6 Nuclear Missiles

    July 11, 2017

    Russia is apparently ready to build two terrifying weapons of war: A 100-ton ballistic missile that can destroy countries and a train that can carry and fire six nuclear missiles, according to Pravda, the Communist Party's outlet in Russia.

    The missile and train are "on the level of absolute readiness of the industry for their implementation, should the relevant decision be made to include the projects in the state armament program," Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Pravda.

    The 100-ton RS-28 Sarmat nuclear missile, or "Satan 2" as NATO calls it, reportedly holds 10 warheads and is capable of destroying a country the size of France, Newsweek reported. The Satan 2 is an upgraded version of the RS-36M, which NATO called "Satan" in the 70s.

    But its production has been put off since 2014. The Russian Defense Ministry also said last week that it wouldn't test it until late 2017.

    The Barguzin trains, on the other hand, will look like passenger trains, be able to travel 1,500 miles a day, and hold up to six 55-ton RS-24 Yars thermonuclear ICBMs. The Barguzin train is also an upgrade of a Soviet design that only carried three nuclear ICBMs.


    Russia plans to test an ICBM from the Barguzin train in 2019, The National Interest reported in March.

    The US considered putting nukes on trains in the 1980s, but later scrapped the idea. Nuclear trains are benefitial in that they're mobile and difficult to locate.

    However, a 2014 RAND study said that there are shortcomings to nuclear trains. Railways can be blocked by snow, and the enemy simply has to surveil the railways to find the trains. Also, once found, they're easier to take out.

    "Mobile systems that depend on roads or rail lines visible via overhead imagery effectively shrink the target area and could significantly lower the number of missiles required to barrage mobile systems," RAND said.

    Russia currently has about 7,000 nuclear weapons, while the US has about 6,800.

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    Nuclear weapons are terrible, but they are indeed weapons. Should they have been made? No, but it's the " forward" logic of modernity, of technical advance in all fields of human endeavor including strategic and tactical warfare. Nuclear weapons will be used again in warfare by a leadership steeled to their use, to the willingness to actually seek to win such a war. Nuclear war is probably inevitable. With whom and which nations or when, I do not know. We here, irregardless of the right or the wrong of the situation when and where and how it happens, can agree on that. "Gospodi pomiluy", " Lord have mercy", on us all
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