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    Default Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up.

    I didn't see the protests, the news stories or in fact ANYTHING about this particular case. It also appears as if the local government conspired to cover this story up. Where is the shooter? Why is he not behind bars for murder?

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    White privilege didn't protect John Geer.

    That's not to say he didn't have it. As a middle-class kitchen designer living in the pleasant Washington suburb of Fairfax, Va., he had nothing whatsoever in common with the impoverished black men killed by police in Missouri and Brooklyn last year.

    Those deaths triggered riots, marches and demonstrations across America, and interventions by the White House.

    But Geer, pierced 18 months ago by a police bullet as he stood inside the screen door of his own home, his hands raised, begging not to be shot, simply disappeared into the emotional mixing bowl of American news and political priorities.

    That should not have happened. The killing of John Geer is probably the clearest and most compelling example of what amounts to police impunity in recent American history.

    He committed no crime the day he was killed. Even the officer who shot him acknowledges that. There was no struggle. The details are not murky.

    But because no one was marching in the streets on behalf of John Geer, because he was absent from national headlines, the system was able to make his outrageous death go away by the simple expedient of doing nothing and refusing to discuss it.

    Here are the facts:
    In August 2013, Geer's common law wife, who was breaking up with him and moving out, called police to report he was angrily throwing her possessions onto his front lawn.

    Asked whether Geer had weapons, the woman answered yes, but they were legally owned and secured. No, he hadn't been drinking.
    John Geer, 46, was fatally shot by police in August 2013 in an unusual confrontation for which no charges have been laid. His family has launched a suit for wrongful death. (Jeff Stewart / Washington Post)

    Two squad cars — four officers — initially responded. Geer, on seeing them, retreated into his home, refusing to answer questions.

    A few minutes later, Officer Rodney Barnes, a trained police negotiator, arrived, and as the four other policemen stood close behind him with weapons drawn, he began trying to coax John Geer out onto the porch.
    Barnes would later recall that Geer was polite, but reluctant to leave his home, saying repeatedly he was frightened of being killed.
    He said "I don't want anybody to get hurt," the negotiator told investigators a few months later. "I don't want to get shot."
    'I know I can get shot' Barnes asked Geer if he owned a pistol. Geer said yes, and fetched it. He held it up, holstered, for Barnes to see and set it aside, raising his hands again. He offered to let Barnes come into the house and retrieve the weapon.

    He asked for permission to scratch his nose, Barnes said, and did it slowly, then raised his hands again. He asked to reach into his pocket for his phone; Barnes asked him not to, and he obeyed.
    "He said 'I know if I reach down or drop my hands I can get shot," Barnes told detectives later. "I said, hey, nobody's going to shoot you…"

    But Geer pointed to one nearby officer in particular: Adam Torres, who kept raising his Sig Sauer pistol from the "ready" position (pointed at Geer's legs) to aim at Geer's chest.

    Please ask him not to point his gun at me, Geer begged Barnes. Geer even offered to come out and be handcuffed voluntarily if Torres and the other patrolmen would agree to move "way back."
    Then he asked to scratch his nose again. Barnes consented. And Torres fired.

    Geer, grabbing his wound, screamed in pain and stepped back, slamming his door.

    "And I'm like, who the fuck shot?" Barnes told detectives later. "I kinda got a little pissed."

    Torres acknowledged it had been him, and began muttering how he was sorry, and that his wrist was hurting. Then, unbidden, he told Barnes how he'd had a fight over the phone with his wife just before arriving on the scene.
    Everyone else is wrong Asked by Barnes why he'd fired, Torres said Geer had dropped his hands to his waist suddenly, that he appeared to be going for a weapon.
    "I said I didn't see that," said Barnes later. "You know, and I never took my eye off him (Geer)."
    In this cellphone video, Fairfax County police stand outside John Geer's home after he had been shot by an officer and fell back into the house. The officer at left is said to be Rodney Barnes, the main negotiator. By the time police tactical forces arrived to enter the home, Geer had bled to death. (CBS)


    The other three officers who'd been present told investigators the same thing. So did two civilian witnesses.
    But prosecutors and police commanders and county officials buried the case.

    Fairfax County's top prosecutor declared a conflict of interest and referred the shooting to federal authorities.
    The police department stonewalled reporters.

    Federal investigators did investigate, and have reported to the U.S. attorney in Virginia, who has done nothing.

    And all this was done under a cloak of secrecy, until, earlier this month, a judge finally ordered disclosure of nearly 11,000 documents, containing interviews with nearly everyone involved.
    Torres, it turns out, stuck to his story that the other four officers were wrong.

    Does he regret having shot Geer? "I don't feel sorry for shooting the guy at all."

    Why did he tell Barnes immediately afterward he was sorry? He was concerned about having upset Barnes by shooting, he said.

    Why did he talk about his wrist hurting? He doesn't remember. Why did he immediately say he'd just had a fight with his wife? "I don't know why."
    Under the radar The judge's disclosure order has created a bizarre situation: Nearly all the available evidence, including audio of the witness statements, is now available on the Fairfax County website.

    According to those official documents, the shooter — a cop with significant anger issues (he once screamed and cursed at prosecutors in open court) — is contradicted by four fellow officers and two civilian witnesses. That sort of rank-breaking is practically unheard of.

    And yet there has been no judicial action, and almost no public uproar. Most politicians have remained silent. Those who have marched against police shootings in the past have been largely uninterested.
    A protest at Fairfax police headquarters drew a couple of dozen people. Only the Washington Post has taken a serious interest in the case.

    But the killing of John Geer should frighten everyone. It is the best example yet that while police often target minorities disproportionately, their basic and overriding demand is total and unquestioning submission to their authority.

    Resist, however peacefully and even inyour own home, and heaven help you, no matter what your skin color.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt


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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    wow..

    So, why was the guy approached in the FIRST place? What did he do? Why a negotiator?

    I don't have to answer questions for anyone.
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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    ( to clarify, I know why the cops were called, but why??????? Just because he's throwing her shit on the ground is no reason to fucking shoot someone)
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    ( to clarify, I know why the cops were called, but why??????? Just because he's throwing her shit on the ground is no reason to fucking shoot someone)
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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    I guess the cop felt threatened. But hey, the most important goal is that they go home safely every night.
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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    This is tragic.

    It's not stated clearly, however, in my opinion, the wife/girlfriend (whatever) inflamed the situation with her calling of the police.
    In August 2013, Geer's common law wife, who was breaking up with him and moving out, called police to report he was angrily throwing her possessions onto his front lawn.

    Asked whether Geer had weapons, the woman answered yes, but they were legally owned and secured. No, he hadn't been drinking.
    What was the reasoning behind calling the police in the first place? Was Geer out of control? Was he violent toward her? It's not clear from the article.

    I think it's possible she deliberately misinformed the police regarding the severity of her husband's actions, perhaps as retribution for being treated in an unkind manner. Only she'll know for sure what her motives were.

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    In any event, adding to the inconceivable nature of this event is the fact that no one cares. You can really ascertain the content and character of a human being by their responses toward the suffering of others.

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    She was specifically asked about his guns, yep he has them, yep they are secure, nope he ain't drinking....

    They knew when they walked into the situation. They created the situation. They (the cops) caused the death of the guy for no good reason.
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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    But why were they called? She must have felt unsafe.

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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    Never contact the cops unless there really is no other alternative.

    The woman in this case didn't want her stuff tossed onto the lawn. I get it. The guy was apparently acting like an asshole to her. Did he threaten her? If he didn't then she needlessly escalated the situation.

    One can hope she's suffering from some PTSD due to this.
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    You know, the way I see it, get fucking married in a church or at LEAST in a legal standing if you're going to "live with someone" and be called "wife" or "husband".

    This fucking "common law" shit is wrong on so many, many levels it's pathetic. People who cause drama should fade away and leave others alone.

    This was ALL because he let her move in his place, and they were having a good time then figured out they were incompatible or something.
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    Default Re: Cop shoots white man with hands up, in cold blood and the government covers it up

    Not to address the issue of the police shooting an unarmed man but, to speak to the issue of the girlfriend calling the cops.

    I don't know what the law is like in Virginia but in some states, if a person is breaking or throwing things during the heat of an argument, it can legally be considered "domestic violence" and prosecuted as such which usually means, once the woman contacts the police and they show up, it is out of her hands whether or not charges are pressed and solely up to the state.

    And removal of discretion of prosecution is done ostensibly in the name of protecting the woman so she cannot be intimidated by the "abusive spouse" into not pressing charges, even if she later comes to her senses and realizes she (to quote Obama) acted stupidly in the heat of the moment.

    She may have called them because she didn't want him breaking her shit or something as stupid as her just wanting the cops to show up to scare him.

    In any event, as Mal basically said, "Never invite The Man into your life."

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    they really should have removed the woman.... to protect her. And then asked to allow her to remove her shit after the fact.
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    BTW here in CO, if you call the cops... and there is something going on like that, you both get arrested now.

    No questions asked, you both get charged with abuse or some other such bullshit and they cart you both off to jail.
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