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    Obama Faces Political Storm Over Libya When Congress Returns


    Published March 24, 2011
    | FoxNews.com




    President Obama can't hold off Congress much longer.
    In the form of hearings, media appearances and possibly a vote, Congress is determined to have its say on the Libyan conflict when lawmakers return to Washington next week.
    Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have been grumbling ever since the president ordered U.S. missile strikes on Muammar al-Qaddafi's regime in support of a U.N.-authorized no-fly zone Saturday. But the unrest is reaching a boiling point and from the top down, elected officials are pressing for questions about the U.S. role in the assault to get a full airing on Capitol Hill next week. The coalition's involvement deepened after French fighter jets shot down a Libyan plane amid allegations Qaddafi's forces violated the no-fly zone.
    Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, sent a letter to Obama Thursday announcing his intention to offer an amendment stripping the Libya operation of funding. Rep. Bruce Braley, D-Iowa, also wrote a letter asking Obama for a full accounting of the mission's costs.
    "We must know how much a third military conflict will cost us," he wrote.

    President Obama pauses after answering questions on the ongoing situation in Libya during a news conference in San Salvador, El Salvador, March 22.


    Earlier, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said a hearing scheduled for next week will probably focus on Libya. Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also said "prompt" hearings are "essential."
    Not all lawmakers raising concerns about the U.S. military's involvement are opposed to the intervention. Levin, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., all backed the president on a conference call Wednesday. House Speaker John Boehner also has said the United States has a "moral obligation" to help those standing up to Qaddafi.
    Rather, the principal complaint on Capitol Hill is that the administration has not engaged Congress to the degree it has engaged international partners.
    Durbin made clear he would support a congressional vote on Libya -- though a defense source told Fox News there are no plans to seek permission from Congress. And Boehner sent a lengthy letter to the president Wednesday complaining that the administration has kept Congress out of the loop. He said members of the House remain concerned that the administration has not outlined a clear mission, given that its stated policy is to get rid of Qaddafi but the military strikes are not considered part of that.
    "Because of the conflicting messages from the administration and our coalition partners, there is a lack of clarity over the objectives of this mission, what our national security interests are, and how it fits into our overarching policy for the Middle East. The American people deserve answers to these questions," Boehner wrote, adding that "it is regrettable that no opportunity was afforded to consult with congressional leaders."
    Boehner also called the conflict "war," a term administration officials have studiously avoided. The administration describes the U.S. role as limited and insists the military will soon hand over command to an international coalition responsible for maintaining the no-fly zone. Officials say the president is well within his constitutional right.
    Denis McDonough, deputy national security adviser, suggested in an interview on PBS that time was a factor in the decision to authorize the strikes without a lengthy debate.
    "We have been talking with Congress about this now for a couple weeks. But the bottom line is, we had an opportunity to move after we had brought the international community along with us last Thursday night in that U.N. Security Council resolution," he said. "We had an opportunity to move with alacrity and speed and agility, as our armed forces always do, and protected Benghazi."
    The strikes appear to have at least slowed Qaddafi's momentum against rebel forces.
    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., gave her full support to the president's actions.
    "Actions taken by the international community have already prevented Qaddafi from implementing his threat to 'show no mercy' to his own people," she said. "U.S. participation is strengthened by the president's continued consultation with Congress."
    But some lawmakers say the president has stepped way beyond his authority.
    "The United States cannot afford, nor do we have the authority, to intervene," said Kucinich.
    Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Calif., sent a letter to the president Wednesday calling his actions "unconstitutional."
    Noting that the Constitution vests Congress with the authority to declare war, he said the president's prior letter to Congress "fails to explain how a resolution of the United Nations Security Council is necessary to commit this nation to war but that an act of Congress is not."



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    Default Re: Obama Faces Political Storm Over Libya When Congress Returns

    Can a president be recalled? The thought came to me when all that union crap was going down in Wisconsin. The unions and dems are attempting recalls of republicans in that state because they don't like what the legislature has done. I've never heard anyone talk about recalling a president before though.

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    I did a little research and it doesn't look like a presidential recall is an option. I did come across a recall petition for Obama you can sign but it appears to be symbolic only. Congress could have a no confidence vote bit that appears to be symbolic as well. It seems only his resignation or impeachment can get rid of the bum.

    However, these marches in the middle east seem to have had an effect on the president. If we follow Obama's logic though, peaceful marches here should get him to step down. I mean if he is demanding leaders in the middle east step down because of protests then he should too if presented with the same circumstances here.

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    They can impeach him. That's about it.

    Or we could riot in the streets like the Arabs and demand he step down....
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    There is enough evdence to impeach BHO for ignoring the Constitution and launching illegal war. However, I predict that neither Depublicans nor Remocrats have the stomach to touch this issue with a ten foot pole!

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/151917-obama-briefing-members-of-congress-on-libya
    “The Speaker appreciates the update today," Michael Steel, a spokesman for Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), said, "but still believes much more needs to be done by the Administration to provide clarity, particularly to the American people, on the military objective in Libya, America’s role, and how it is consistent with U.S. policy goals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosciuszko View Post
    There is enough evdence to impeach BHO for ignoring the Constitution and launching illegal war. However, I predict that neither Depublicans nor Remocrats have the stomach to touch this issue with a ten foot pole!
    Yeah?

    What evidence?

    Think you could take the time to actually list it? And perhaps provide some supporting documentation?

    I'd like to see that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael2 View Post
    I personally feel that BO was well within his constitutional powers in authorizing this action, but I personally disagree with his doing so, empowering the jihadists in Libya as this will do.

    Not that I won't rejoice when these same Jihadists take out that Despot Qaddafi....

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    So anyway, as to Kos.... still nothing?
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    But since no one want's to bite....

    Impeachable Offenses
    Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." In his report, Independent Counsel, Starr accuses President Clinton of committing eleven acts for which he could be removed from office by impeachment. Are any of those acts "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors?" Well, that's up to the members of the House of Representatives. According to Constitutional Lawyers, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" are (1) real criminality -- breaking a law; (2) abuses of power; (3) "violation of public trust" as defined by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers. In 1970, then Representative Gerald R. Ford defined impeachable offenses as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." An excellent definition, Mr. Former President. In the past, Congress has issued Articles of Impeachment for acts in three general categories:



    • Behavior grossly incompatible with the proper function and purpose of the office.


    • Employing the power of the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.
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    So - BASICALLY - impeachment means "stands accused of a crime".

    To impeach a President he has to have done something directly against the Constitution, broken a law, etc - and even IF impeached, that doesn't mean he leaves office. That merely means the Congress has the authority then to hold a trial.

    No one bothered to impeach Bush when the Liberals were all up in arms.

    I have doubts anyone would have the intestinal fortitude to do the same to Obama.
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    hehehehe

    you all should read this set of remarks.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4030401AAVdTXy
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    New York Slimes...

    Letter From Washington

    Libya Action Creates Risks for Obama

    By ALBERT R. HUNT | BLOOMBERG NEWS

    Published: March 27, 2011





    Representative Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, has raised the possibility of impeaching President Barack Obama for ordering aggressive airstrikes against Libya, while Mitt Romney, a potential Republican presidential candidate, has said the policy shows the commander in chief to be “tentative, indecisive, timid and nuanced.”



    Mr. Obama can brush aside these criticisms. Every modern American president would have been impeached under Mr. Kucinich’s standards. And, to borrow a timeworn phrase, if Mr. Obama walked across the Potomac River, rivals like Mr. Romney would say that only proves he cannot swim.



    What the president cannot brush aside is Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, who Mr. Obama has declared must leave power. If a year from now the dictator still rules Libya, thumbing his nose at the West and plotting revenge, Mr. Obama’s political prospects will suffer and Mr. Romney’s critique will resonate.



    Libya is of marginal strategic interest to the United States, especially compared with Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. Yet in the short run, symbolically and politically, Mr. Obama may have more at stake.



    The analogy that might give the president comfort would be President George W. Bush’s boast, after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, that the United States would get Osama bin Laden “dead or alive.” Not only did Mr. Bush fail, but a couple months later, when Mr. bin Laden reportedly was cornered in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, the United States failed to act. In his memoirs, Mr. Bush’s domineering defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld, insisted that no one told him the Qaeda leader was within striking distance.



    Yet that analogy has flaws. In the 2004 elections, three years after Sept. 11, the United States still was in a rally-round-the-flag mood, and Democrats did not capitalize on the administration’s failures.



    Foreign policy, except in times of unpopular and higher-casualty wars, rarely drives U.S. elections. In 2004, the Iraq war was not a determining factor in Mr. Bush’s re-election. Twelve years earlier, his father lost his bid for a second term, despite a more successful effort in throwing Iraq out of Kuwait. In 1956, Dwight D. Eisenhower’s failure to come to the aid of the unsuccessful uprising in Hungary cost him hardly any votes.



    Contemporaneously, Mr. Obama’s handling of Egypt may be much more important for the region. Yet in calling on President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt to step down in an orderly way, the United States knew it had some institutional support within Egypt; there is no such support in Libya.



    The policy appears ad hoc and schizoid. One day the stakes are huge, the next it is no big deal; Colonel Qaddafi has to go, unless he does not; the United States is providing leadership, except when it is not.



    The contention that the president exceeded his authority in the airstrikes on Libya seems specious to most war power experts.



    More problematic has been the failure of the White House to explain to Congress or the country why it has taken a more aggressive posture. Even a number of Democrats nodded when the speaker of the House, John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, complained that U.S. military resources had been committed without defining the mission. When lawmakers like Senator Richard G. Lugar, Republican of Indiana and a foreign-policy mentor to Mr. Obama when he was in the Senate, and Senator Jim Webb, Democrat of Virginia, complain about a lack of consultation or clarity of policy, that is far more credible than the gripes of Mr. Kucinich or Mr. Romney.



    After more than a week, with the distraction of a trip to South America, Mr. Obama still has not laid out a coherent strategy or plausible endgame to the public. He will have an opportunity to do so in a speech Monday evening.



    There was a very legitimate debate on Libya within the administration, with both sides making a compelling case. Skeptics argue, sure, Colonel Qaddafi is a monster, but the world is full of such despots: Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, Kim Jong-il in North Korea and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran.



    The United States lacks the military, economic and political wherewithal to take all of them out. With two wars, the military is already stretched too thin, a state of affairs reflected in Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates’s reservations about the Libya action.


    All true, acknowledge the interventionists, including most of the top women in this administration. However, if Colonel Qaddafi were permitted to brutally repress a genuine uprising, he would encourage dictators throughout the region and signal that the United States only pays lip service to promoting human rights and democratic values. The factors are geopolitical as well as humanitarian.



    A parallel they cite is the former Serbian president, Slobodan Milosevic, who committed atrocities in Bosnia for years, until Richard C. Holbrooke, a senior diplomat, and Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright finally persuaded President Bill Clinton to intervene. The genocide stopped, and Mr. Milosevic eventually fell. That is the aim in Libya.



    The criticism from neoconservatives that Mr. Obama is a multilateralist, hesitant to exercise U.S. power, in the mold of Presidents Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, does not stand up to scrutiny. Mr. Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan — committing more troops and more air assaults than the Bush administration even considered — stayed the course in Iraq, and when Somali pirates took an American freighter captain hostage, the president ordered U.S. Navy snipers to shoot the captors; three pirates were killed and the American was freed.



    Further, the Reagan and Bush examples, so cherished by conservatives, are especially ironic when discussing Libya. It was Mr. Bush five years ago who normalized relations with Colonel Qaddafi after the dictator renounced weapons of mass destruction. That easing of tensions has enriched his coffers to pay for the current repression.



    Mr. Reagan did bomb Libya in 1986 in retaliation for terrorist acts. Two years later, the erratic Libyan dictator masterminded the downing of Pan Am Flight 103, which was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 189 Americans. There was no retaliation of any consequence.



    If the current move does not topple the aging colonel, he will assuredly taunt Mr. Obama and plot similar acts of terrorism.



    The White House usually does not look to the conservative commentator Sarah Palin for political wisdom. When she declared the other day that the objective in Libya has to be to “win it,” and “win it means Qaddafi goes,” she could have been channeling Mr. Obama.
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    Well.... I dont know Michael. I don't have any answers.

    I'd have shot Gaddaffi's planes down day 1. That's me.

    I would have given other help, intelligence to take him out, maybe even weapons - if I knew who I was dealing with. Not knowing though, he's in the same boat I'd be in.

    The difference is, I think he is an illegal alien Muslim in charge of my country.

    if I were HIM, I'd back the bad guys as quickly as possible under any sort of false flag scenario I could. That means the Muslim Brotherhood in this case.

    me... I'd level Tripoli and kill him. Then I'd go after Assad in Syria... and if the people got fucking messy with me, I'd nuke them too.

    If the Russians opened their big fucking mouths about it, I'd dare them to do shit about it.
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    But that might be the rum talkin' right now. LOL
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