Which One Of You Had A Quote From Mikhail Gorbachev About Silent Communism?

[zenbudda]

One of you guys had a quote in your signature from Gorbachev stating something like "pay no attention to words like Parastroyka and Glastnost. These words are meant to make the West...."

I want to research that quote.

As a side note, I saw some news article about Tilda Swinton and did a little casual research on her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_Swinton

While at Cambridge she joined the Communist Party of Great Britain.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...icle597081.ece

At Cambridge, where she read social and political science, she joined the Communist party and technically remains a member, although there is no Communist party of Great Britain any more. “I never left the Communist party, put it that way.”

I'm not suggesting anything about her other than I didn't know she was a communist. Someone here at work really likes her and has taken pictures with her. I do believe he is a communist but doesn't want to present himself as one. He likes to show off his masonic ring too. He's known to lie so I cannot guarantee he is an actual mason. But that doesn't mean masons aren't communist either. At a minimum this guy is a communist sympathizer.

[Ryan Ruck]

You mean the quote on the TAA front page?

[American Patriot]

"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our aim is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep."
Mikhail Gorbachev, speech to the Soviet Politburo, November 1987

[American Patriot]

One of you guys had a quote in your signature from Gorbachev stating something like "pay no attention to words like Parastroyka and Glastnost. These words are meant to make the West...."

I want to research that quote.

As a side note, I saw some news article about Tilda Swinton and did a little casual research on her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_Swinton



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...icle597081.ece



I'm not suggesting anything about her other than I didn't know she was a communist. Someone here at work really likes her and has taken pictures with her. I do believe he is a communist but doesn't want to present himself as one. He likes to show off his masonic ring too. He's known to lie so I cannot guarantee he is an actual mason. But that doesn't mean masons aren't communist either. At a minimum this guy is a communist sympathizer.

There is very little mystic about Masons. The Masons have given vast amounts of cash and contributions to various organizations to help in disease research and so forth.

The Masons do not dictate what religion one follows (or does not follow) but they encourage you to follow your own religion.

Generally, Masons are not communists.

But any guy hanging around with one probably is a communist and ain't a Mason.

[American Patriot]

Shit... I just deleted an entire post. God some times I REALLY bloody HATE computers.

[American Patriot]

Please allow me to start over...

If you're interested at ALL in Freemasonry, go to this site: http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/info.html

That's in Canada but it's the same in the USA.

As to Gorbechev, I'd suggest plugging in the full quote above into your favorite search engine, then throwing out the nonsense sites like Godlikeproductions, Jeff Rense and even Anomalies. Look for information in regard to the speech specifically, and then dig into the Communists a bit.

A further note on this subject, your friend whom you believe to be a Communist (and is trying to hide his beliefs on that subject) but is pretending to be a Mason is doing this for a very specific reason.

Here's why. Freemasonry is NOT a religion, but one of it's precepts to even become a member dictates that one must believe in God or a "Supreme Being". Also one must state - basically swear to uphold moral values. Communists can neither believe in God or for that matter "uphold high moral values" based on deceptive practices they use to get their way over other countries, and control over people.

Thus he is hiding behind (my opinion) a Mason's ring as a way to project a persona not his own.

In our day and age, I would take the Communist Cold war any day over the Non-State Terrorists.... at least they were someone we could understand and fight in a much easier fashion.

State versus State is definitely better than State versus everyone on the planet.

Even Jimmy Buffett, who is technically a Liberal - is a favorite song writer of mine, had something to say about the Commies.... I'll leave you with the lyrics of one of his songs... haha

"Party At The End Of The World"

Calling Paris
Come in London
Come in New York
Hello Rio
The bad news is the world is ending
The good news is there's a party
But you better get here quick

When you feel like a written off actor on Deadwood
About to get fed to the pigs
When that preacher's bus from hell
Blastin' just cowbell
Parks itself in front of your digs

There's a place you can go called Tierra Del Feugo
Down in the Southern Hemisphere
It's kinda Troy without Helen
Past the Straits of Magellan
Things are always looking up down here

Cause there's a party at the end of the world (end of the world)
Where the locals do the tango twirl (tango twirl)
Forget the temples in Nepal
Cancel the fete in Montreal
There's a party at the end of the world

It seems like I've run out of reasons to be here
So I'm just gonna steal from myself
If your attitude's appalling
There's a latitude that's calling
Get yourself past that continental shelf

Now the band that we hired
Is playing quite inspired
Singing Eskimos and eunuchs from Bangkok
And this location's so nice
We'll never run out of ice
'Cause Antarctica's just around the block

And there's a party at the end of the world (end of the world)
Where the locals do the tango twirl (tango twirl)
Now don't make that big mistaica
And wind up with Miss Jamaica
At the party at the end of world

Flying machines, yellow submarines
French girls in cowboy decor- "D'accord"
RSVP isn't needed you see
And they all just be screaming for more-AMOUR

Now in case you hadn't heard
Things are getting quite absurd
No one really shocks us that's for sure
Roadside bombers and tsunamis
Oh god How I miss those Commies
No one really plays fair anymore

But I've spoken to the yogis
And had meetings with my roadies
Who tell me that arrangements are complete
Just below the "Roaring forties"
I am going to fly some sorties
So you best reserve that cherished window seat

To the party at the end of the world (end of the world)
Where the locals do that tango twirl (tango twirl)
I don't care about "the Rapture"
When there's native girls to capture
There's a party at the end of the world

Who cares if there's no playa
We'll be rocking in Ushuaia
At the party at the end
You surely must attend
The party at the end of the world

[Malsua]

You mean a communist sympathizer is also an actress? I'm shocked!

They live in fantasy land all day, so it's no surprise they'd want the rest of us to live in a fantasy land society. Never mind how it worked out for the peasants who lived under it. That was just a problem with implementation.

[American Patriot]

You mean a communist sympathizer is also an actress? I'm shocked!

They live in fantasy land all day, so it's no surprise they'd want the rest of us to live in a fantasy land society. Never mind how it worked out for the peasants who lived under it. That was just a problem with implementation.

I know a few actors and actresses who aren't actually living in fantasy land all day on the other hand some of my face book friends who are in that industry are as deluded as they come. LOL

[zenbudda]

You mean the quote on the TAA front page?

DOH! I swear my brain gets cross wired sometimes.

[zenbudda]

I don't want to quote all of Rick's responses, so hopefully a simple thanks will suffice. :-)

But yes, It is also my understanding that masonry is not religious in nature but does encourage belief in a higher power. In that regard, a true mason would not be a true communist. Now a mason might be liberal, or even socialist. But I agree that they probably wouldn't agree with a true Communist/Marxist belief. Shriner's are beyond the 33rd level of masonry. They do TONS of charity work and have strong historical ties to the religion of Islam (if interested everyone should read up on Abrahamic religions: judaism, islam, and christianity)

At least this is my understanding. I'm not a mason so what do I really know.

[zenbudda]

A further note on this subject, your friend whom you believe to be a Communist (and is trying to hide his beliefs on that subject) but is pretending to be a Mason is doing this for a very specific reason.

He also claims he was in the military.

[American Patriot]

He also claims he was in the military.

Ask him which service he was in, and where he went to Basic training. Then ask him what his job title was. Most army guys will give their "MOS" and Air Force guys will tell you they were a "title" - whatever it was, and will probably give you an AFSC if they can remember it.

Air Force guys, unless they were commissioned all went to Lackland Airforce Base. Army, various places for Basic.

In the conversation, ask "how long".

3, 4, 6 years is the norm. (I don't know if they still do three year enlistments though, I think it is four or six now).

You can ask a few well placed questions of him, conversationally of course, and probably determine pretty easily (perhaps with help from some of us who did serve) based on his answers.

A LOT of people were in the military and a LOT of people got out before they completed their contracts. I know several. Every last one of them got out on "medical reasons" and won't tell you if you don't ask, or they will embellish the reasons.

One guy I know "got chaptered out due to medical problems". I know for a fact his medical issues were with his back and they were faked.

Others will tell you they were "honorably discharged" but if you were to see a DD-214 from them it would say "General Discharge". Something that was "less than honorable conditions". Doesn't mean the screwed up, but indeed might have a medical issue which couldn't be resolved between them and the military.

Don't know much about the Marines or Navy's discharge, jobs or basic training stuff so can't help you there. I was thinking we had a couple of former Marines here but don't quote me on that.

[Ryan Ruck]

My brother is in the Marines so I can give second hand info.

[zenbudda]

i'm pretty sure he said he was either in the army or air force.

[Backstop]

i'm pretty sure he said he was either in the army or air force.

I can search on Mil.com.

If you give me the first, middle, and last name, I can search.

The name may match, but who knows how many folks with the same name.

It also gives me MOS, AFSC, etc. Maybe even dates of service and rank.

Edit:

It has changed - I no longer see an AFSC, MOS, etc. Been quite a while since I logged in there.

What I can see is: Full name, branch of service, pay grade, and either Retired, Veteran, etc.

[zenbudda]

backstop. sent a pm. no reason to plaster his name over the web...yet. lol.

[Backstop]

Answered.

Edit:

zen, don't post the guy's name or any other info until you bounce it off one of the Staff here.

I don't want to hurt an innocent guy, or leave anyone open to lawsuit.

[zenbudda]

i wouldn't have posted it. :-) got your pm. he definiately knows his guns and certain military weaponry and machinery. i just find him defending communism quite a bit and it made me wonder. he's a big carter lover and defends democrats quite a bit. listens to rachel madcow. seems to be highly against any industrial growth that isn't monitored by government. you get the picture. lol.

thanks for the input.

[American Patriot]

Yeah, no reason to post anyone's name