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    Russian Troops Welcomed Into NORAD, America’s Cold War HQ






    NORAD deputy commander and Canadian Forces Col. Todd Balfe, right, on board a Fencing 1220 aircraft with Russian Air Force Col. Alexander Vasilyev during Vigilant Eagle 2011. This year’s exercises brings officers like Vasilyev out of the skies and into NORAD’s headquarters. Photo: U.S. Northern Command


    During the Cold War, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, watched out for a potential nuclear attack from the Soviet Union. But times have changed. Now NORAD is inviting members of the Russian military in.

    This week, a group of Russian officers will train alongside their U.S. and Canadian counterparts to respond to a simulated terrorist hijacking above the Arctic Circle. One group, led by Maj. Gen. Sergei Dronov, is operating out of Norad’s HQ at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. A second will work out of Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska. Still more Russian troops will operate in Russia’s far east.

    “What makes this year interesting is that the Russian personnel from the Russian Federation air force are actually here at NORAD headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs,” Royal Canadian Navy Lt. Al Blondin, a NORAD spokesman, tells Danger Room.

    For all the fears of a new Cold War between the U.S. and Russia, it’s worth noting that Ivan is now training within the heart of America’s defense network. The partnership underscores how the already poor chances of an armed conflict erupting between Russia and the West is becoming even more remote.

    Nor is this kind of exercise entirely new. NORAD and Russia have been carrying out the exercise — called Vigilant Eagle — for several years, but those exercises involved real-life pilots from Russia and the U.S. scrambling to intercept a “hijacked” airliner as it transited the air-space border over the Arctic. This one’s computer-simulated, and emphasizes more face-to-face time between Russian officers and their counterparts inside America’s aerial defense headquarters.

    “It’s basically an ability to better network with our Russian counterparts,” Blondin says. “So if there’s a situation where an aircraft of interest is intercepted over one airspace and then has to carry on into the next airspace, well, how do we handle the logistics and the protocol from one nation to another?”

    This year’s exercise — which starts today and runs through Wednesday — scaled back on the hardware, and is entirely performed on computers with no actual aircraft. One reason, Blondin says, is due to the fact that it’s cheaper to simulate the hijacking with computers than it is to fly real planes. It’s budget crunch-time, after all. Last year’s exercise, for instance, including the most expensive fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor.

    NORAD is testing two scenarios. In one, a commercial airliner traveling to Russia from Alaska is hijacked. In the other, an airliner from Russia is captured while heading into U.S. airspace. Communications with the plane ceases. Fighter aircraft from both countries are then scrambled to intercept and have to work out how to transfer authority once the hijacked plane crosses international boundaries.

    The main challenge, Blondin says, is communication. This has been a recurring problem. Following a live exercise in 2010, Canadian Air Force Col. Todd Balfe wrote in the The Canadian Air Force Journal (.pdf) that “communication between former Cold War adversaries was an immense obstacle.” NORAD wouldn’t comment to Danger Room whether these challenges have been overcome, but Balfe noted problems were resolved with translators and communicating over Skype — not the most secure, but it worked. Balfe also noted difficulties working with “highly process-driven and top-down Russian decision making.”

    This year’s exercise, though, takes place during a period of seeming anxiety between the U.S. and Russia. Moscow has taken flak for the jailing of punk rockers Pussy Riot. There’s the mutual finger-pointing between the two countries’ diplomats over who is arming whom in Syria. When Congress returns in September, it may approve the Magnitsky Act, which would ban human rights offenders in Russia from entering the United States. Vladimir Putin is not happy about that — but then again, neither is Barack Obama.

    This month, Russia finally joined the World Trade Organization after 18 years of trying. The U.S. has been supportive, but Congress hasn’t yet followed up and granted Russia permanent normal trade relations status. And, of course, there’s the acrimony over the U.S.’s plans to install a missile defense shield in Europe and Russia’s displeasure with new sanctions against Iran.

    On the other hand, that’s only one side of the story, and doesn’t mean relations have degraded to a level that’s simply unworkable. “I don’t think that we have entered any ‘new’ period, that Russia has taken a harsher stance toward the United States (as the media sometimes put it), that our priorities have changed and that the ‘reset’ has winded down without any results. This is absolutely wrong,” Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told the Times of London last month.

    And for those worried about a coming naval Arctic war, the U.S., Russia and Norway met up in August to train together and “perform firing exercises at an above-surface target,” Russian navy spokesman Vadim Serga told RIA Novosti. The exercise ended over the weekend, and also included training to counter piracy and terrorism.

    Still, training at sea — and in the air — is one thing. Training with Russian officers inside NORAD’s headquarters, given its history as the watchdog for a dreaded catastrophic war with a rival superpower, is a sign that we probably don’t need to worry that much about going to war with the Ivans.

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    Russia bans civilian flights to/from Novaya Zemlya as of August 1, only military aircraft permitted to fly to Arctic archipelago; 100 residents stranded in Arkhangelsk; base for nuclear weapons tests during Soviet era, islands once again restricted area for Russian military activity

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    Posted by periloustimes1 on August 29, 2012

    - Russian Military Personnel Continue Penetration of NORAD Operations, Participate in Third Vigilant Eagle Anti-Terrorist Drill, Follows US-Russian Paratrooper Exercise near Colorado Springs

    More than 100 civilian residents of Novaya Zemlya, reported the Barents Observer on August 24, are stranded in Arkhangelsk, unable to return home after the Russian Air Traffic Agency (Rosaviatsia) banned civilian aircraft from flying to the Russian Arctic archipelago. In July, Rosaviatsia announced the new regulations, which came into effect on August 1. Rosaviatsia argues that the stranded passengers are the responsibility of the Ministry of Defence, while the ministry says it only handles military personnel. Novaya Zemlya has about 2,900 inhabitants, most of them living in the administrative center of Belushya Guba, which is served by Rogachevo airport.

    Novaya Zemlya was heavily militarized during the Cold War and this past summer once again assumed that status. This island chain in the Arctic Ocean was one of the most militarized and politically closed regions in Russia. Between the mid-1950s and 1990, nuclear weapons were tested in the area, while nuclear weapons researchers still use the area for sub-critical nuclear weapon tests.

    On May 30, Kremlin-run Novosti, citing the Western Military Districts’s aviation commander, Major General Igor Makushev, reported that “selected air units” will this summer instigate preparations to return to Arctic airfields abandoned after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. “We will start reopening airfields on Novaya Zemlya and in Naryan-Mar as early as this summer,” Makushev told a news conference in St. Petersburg. Next year, the Russian Air Force, which is pressing head with the development of a stealth bomber to rival the US Air Force’s B-2 Spirit, will reactivate a military airfield on Graham Bell Island, which is part of Franz Josef Land.

    In July 2011, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov revealed that two military brigades would be stationed in Murmansk or Arkhangelsk to protect Russia’s political and economic interests in the circumpolar region, especially to reinforce its oil and gas claims under the Arctic Ocean.

    Meanwhile, through the implementation of joint military drills on US soil, unprecedented during the Cold War, US and Canadian servicemen are growing more and more used to perceiving (wrongly) their Russian counterparts as “allies,” not enemies. At the same time, Russian military personnel now have opportunities to observe, openly and firsthand, US and Canadian military facilities, technology, and operations. This is also the rationale behind the Open Skies Treaty, signed in 1992.

    Between August 27 and 29, NORAD and Russia will carry out the third Vigilant Eagle anti-terrorist drill, which simulates airline hijackings in both Russia and Alaska but entails real aerial intercepts by Russian and NORAD military pilots.
    “The Vigilant Eagle 2012 exercises will be held on August 27-29. They are aimed at practicing interaction between the Russian armed forces and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in case of a terrorist attack on a passenger airliner,” said Col. Alexander Gordeyev, who represents Russia’s Eastern Military District. In the event of a Russian preemptive strike, of course, knowledge of NORAD’s command and control will be of inestimable value to the Kremlin warmongers.

    The first Vigilant Eagle took place in 2010. This year, exercise headquarters are situated in Colorado Springs and Anchorage, as well as Khabarovsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, two cities in the Russian Far East. The Russian units will be led by Maj. Gen. Sergei Dronov, commander of the Eastern Military District’s Third Air Force and Air Defense Command, and NORAD’s units by Joseph Bonnet III, NORAD’s training and exercise director.

    “The first group led by Maj. Gen. Dronov will operate as part of the main headquarters in Colorado Springs,” Gordeyev said. “The second group led by Maj. Gen. Sergei Zhmurin, the head of the Eastern Military District’s Air Defense and Aviation, will take part in the work of the secondary headquarters in Anchorage,” he said. Thus, we see that Russian generals will be on site at military bases in Colorado Springs and Anchorage.

    In its typical post-Cold War ho-hum “Russia’s our friend” mindset, NORAD described Vigilant Eagle in the following way:
    The basic premise is that a foreign flagged commercial air carrier on an international flight has been seized by terrorists. The aircraft will not respond to communications. The exercise scenario creates a situation that requires both the Russian Air Force and NORAD to launch or divert fighter aircraft to investigate and follow the aircraft. The drills will focus on the cooperative hand-off of the aircraft between fighter aircraft of the participating nations.

    These exercises continue to foster the development of cooperation between the Russian Federation Air Force and NORAD in preventing possible threats of air terrorism.

    Vigilant Eagle follows this past May’s first-ever joint US-Russian paratrooper drill at Fort Carson, located near Colorado Springs, Peterson Air Force Base, and NORAD’s Alternate Command Center under Cheyenne Mountain. This “anti-terrorist” exercise and goodwill gesture was evocative of the original Red Dawn film (1984), which depicted a Soviet-Cuban invasion of the USA. Incidentally, though, the first-ever joint US-Russian military exercise on US soil actually took place at Fort Riley, Kansas in 1995.

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    And are they gonna stop us from doing over flights? Or have we already given in?
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    Default Re: Obama welcomes Russian Troops into NORAD HQ

    What about Open Skies?

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    Only as "open" as the Russians let them be, huh?
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