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    Russian Sub Skirts Coast

    Russian attack sub detected near East Coast


    Sierra-2 submarine / fas.org

    BY: Bill Gertz

    A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine cruised within 200 miles of the East Coast recently in the latest sign Russia is continuing to flex its naval and aerial power against the United States, defense officials said.

    The submarine was identified by its NATO designation as a Russian Seirra-2 class submarine believed to be based with Russia’s Northern Fleet. It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.

    One defense official said the submarine was believed to have been conducting anti-submarine warfare efforts against U.S. ballistic and cruise missile submarines based at Kings Bay, Georgia.

    A second official said the submarine did not sail close to Kings Bay and also did not threaten a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group that was conducting exercises in the eastern Atlantic.

    Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, north of Jacksonville, Fla., is homeport for two guided missile submarines and six nuclear missile submarines. The submarines are known to be a target of Russian attack submarines.

    Meanwhile, the officials also said that a Russian electronic intelligence-gathering vessel was granted safe harbor in the commercial port of Jacksonville, Fla., within listening range of Kings Bay.

    The Russian AGI ship, or Auxiliary-General Intelligence, was allowed to stay in the port to avoid the superstorm that battered the U.S. East Coast last week. A Jacksonville Port Authority spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the Russian AGI at the port.

    “A Russian AGI and an SSN in the same geographic area as one of the largest U.S. ballistic missile submarine bases—Kings Bay—is reminiscent of Cold War activities of the Soviet navy tracking the movements of our SSBN’s,” said a third U.S. official, referring to the designation for ballistic missile submarines, SSBN.

    “While I can’t talk about how we detected it, I can tell you that things worked the way they were supposed to,” the second official said, stating that the Russian submarine “poses no threat whatsoever.”

    According to naval analysts, the Russian attack submarine is outfitted with SS-N-21 anti-submarine warfare missiles, as well as SS-N-16 anti-submarine warfare missiles. It also is equipped with torpedoes.

    The U.S. Navy deploys a series of underwater sonar sensors set up at strategic locations near the United States that detected the submarine sometime late last month.

    The submarine is currently believed to be in international waters several hundred miles from the United States.

    The official said the deployment appeared to be part of efforts by the Russian navy to re-establish its blue-water naval power projection capabilities.

    Naval analyst Miles Yu, writing in the newsletter Geostrategy Direct, stated that Russia announced in February it is stepping up submarine patrols in strategic waters around the world in a throwback to the Soviet period.

    “On June 1 or a bit later we will resume constant patrolling of the world’s oceans by strategic nuclear submarines,” Russian Navy Commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky was quoted as saying Feb. 3.

    During the Cold War, Moscow’s submarine forces carried out hundreds of submarine patrols annually to maintain its first- and second-strike nuclear capabilities. By 1984, the Soviet Union was declining but its naval forces conducted 230 submarine patrols. Today the number is fewer than 10 patrols.

    Richard Fisher, a military analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said Russian submarine patrols in the Atlantic have been reduced but remain “regular.”

    “As was their primary mission during the Cold War, Russian SSNs [nuclear attack submarines] would likely be trying to track U.S. nuclear missile submarines deploying from Kings Bay, Ga., and to monitor U.S. naval deployments from Norfolk, Va.,” Fisher said in an email.

    While the Sierra-2 is comparable to the U.S. Los Angeles-class attack submarine, Russia is building a new class of attack submarines that are said to be comparable to the latest U.S. Virginia-class submarines, Fisher said.

    The submarine deployment followed stepped-up Russian nuclear bomber activity near U.S. borders last summer, including the transit of two Bear-H strategic bombers near the Alaska air defense zone during Russian strategic bomber war games in arctic in late June.

    Then on July 4, in an apparent Fourth of July political message, a Russian Bear-H flew the closest to the U.S. West Coast that a Russian strategic bomber had flown since the Cold War when such flights were routine.

    In both incidents, U.S. military spokesmen sought to downplay the threat posed by the air incursions, apparently in response to the Obama administration’s conciliatory “reset” policy of seeking closer ties with Moscow.

    U.S. and Canadian interceptor jets were scrambled to meet the Russian bombers during the flights last summer.

    The officials did not provide the name of the Russian submarine. However, the sole Sierra-2 submarine still deployed with Russia’s Northern Fleet is the nuclear powered attack submarine Pskov that was first deployed in 1993.

    Confirmation of the recent Sierra-2 submarine deployment followed a report from U.S. national security officials who said a more advanced and harder-to-detect Russian Akula-class attack submarine had sailed undetected in the Gulf of Mexico in August.

    Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, in response to the report first published in the Free Beacon, stated in a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) that “based on all of the source information available to us, a Russian submarine did not enter the Gulf of Mexico.”

    Navy spokesmen did not say whether an Akula had been detected elsewhere in the Atlantic around that time period.

    A Navy spokesman said later that the last time an Akula was confirmed as present near the United States was 2009.

    The U.S. is not the only country responding to increased Russian strategic bomber activity.

    Norway’s military has detected an increase in Russian strategic bomber flights near its territory, the most recent being the flight of a Bear H bomber on Sept. 11 and 12 that was shadowed by NATO jet fighters.

    Norwegian Lt. Col. John Espen Lien told the Free Beacon in an email that the number of Russian bomber flights this year was more than in the past, with 55 bombers detected.

    According to Norwegian military data, Russian aircraft flights near Norwegian coasts began increasing in July 2007 and increased from 14 flights in 2006 to 88 in 2007. There were 87 in 2008 and 77 in 2009 and a decline to 37 in 2010 and 48 in 2011.

    “Most of these strategic flights are … Tupolev TU-95 Bear [bombers],” he stated. “In 2007 (and partly 2008) we also identified some TU-160 Blackjack. Lately we have also identified some TU-22 Backfire.”
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Russia's Secret War Plans started by vector7 View original post
    Comments 64 Comments
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      Oh boy. Here we go. New subs for Russia and they are well designed at that...

      http://rt.com/news/russian-noiseless...submarine-106/

      Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class nuclear submarine immersed

      Published: 30 December, 2012, 17:26








      Borei class nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomah at the “Sevmash” shipyard before its launch in Severodvinsk. (RIA Novosti/A. Petrov)



      Super-modern, powerful and almost noiseless Russian nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh has been put in water to become the third ship of the Borei project. The cruiser is about to begin sea trials and mooring to become fully operational in 2013.


      *Vladimir Monomakh was laid down at Russia’s largest shipbuilding complex Sevmash, located on the shores of the White Sea in the town of Severodvinsk in northern Russia on March 19, 2006 – the 100th anniversary of the

      Russian submarine fleet.


      *Borei-class submarine
      Length: 170 m
      Beam: 13.5 m
      Draught: 10 m
      Test depth: 450 m
      Displacement:
      14,720 tons surfaced
      24,000 tons submerged
      Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
      Complement: 107 (55 officers)
      Armament: 16-20 × Bulava SLBMs
      6 × 533 mm torpedo tubes



      It belongs to a class of missile strategic submarine cruisers with a new generation of nuclear reactor, which allows the submarine to dive to a depth of 480 meters. It can spend up to three months in autonomous navigation and, thanks to the latest achievements in the reduction of noise, it is almost silent compared to previous generations of submarines.


      The submarine is armed with the new missile system, which has from 16 to 20 solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles Bulava (SS-NX-30 by NATO classification). The rocket is able to overcome any prospective missile defense system.


      On August 27, 2011, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on a successful test of Bulava to investigate its maximum range. The missile was launched from the White Sea, flew 9,300km in just 33 minutes, and then fell in the specified area in the Pacific Ocean.


      All Borei class submarines are equipped with a floating rescue chamber designed to fit in the whole crew.



      Nuclear submarine (NS) "Yuri Dolgoruky" undergoing sea trials. (RIA Novosti)
      The Borei family

      The first and head submarine of Borei class, Yury Dolgoruky, has already completed the test program and is to be officially adopted by the Russian Navy on Sunday. Construction of the missile carrier is approximately estimated at around US$770 million, while other Borei class submarines are believed to cost less.


      “The hoisting of the flag and the signing of the acceptance act is to be adopted at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk on Sunday, December 30,” the Rubin design bureau that designed the submarine said in a statement on Saturday.


      Another missile cruiser of this project, the Aleksandr Nevsky, is undergoing tests, according to Borisov. While a fourth, more advanced submarine, the Knyaz Vladimir, with enhanced technical characteristics and increased ammunition is currently being built.


      Over the next eight years Russia plans to have built 10 Borei class submarines altogether, according to the state armaments program of 2011-2020. All Borei class submarines are believed to provide a basis of naval strategic nuclear forces of Russia in the coming decades.



      The nuclear submarine (NS) "Yuri Dolgoruky" in the area of the JSC "Sevmash". (RIA Novosti)
    1. Ryan Ruck's Avatar
      Ryan Ruck -
      Wow, 3 of those in the water already! Pretty impressive...
    1. American Patriot's Avatar
      American Patriot -
      /rolls eyes

      No one can see can they Ryan? The whole US is blind to this. I'm sure our military is wondering about all this, and I'm certain that the powers that be are laughing at them.
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      Makes one wonder what Obama meant by 'more flexibility' if reelected.
    1. Ryan Ruck's Avatar
      Ryan Ruck -
      What really pisses me off is that we are still floating the Ohio-classes around with nothing new to replace them in the works. They're still great boats no doubt but make no mistake, they are getting up in years and no one is looking at the future of one of the most important legs of our nuclear triad.

      Meanwhile a nation like Russia has already put out, I believe, 1 new boomer per year all the while they are rapidly modernizing and building up all their nuclear forces.
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      This is the grinding down of America. It is all finances. The politics are there because it is useful to control people that way. In an economy as huge as ours, there are huge winners if/when we fail. That is the real grinding down of America. There is always a winner even in a loss.
    1. American Patriot's Avatar
      American Patriot -
      A friend from another country told me the other day, "Do you know how to really control the people?"

      I said, "Yeah, take their guns"

      She said, "Nope. Control their money. Crash the banks. Lie through the media about it and collapse all the economy."
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      Guns are a diversion. Yes it serves the agenda to ban them, but that person is spot on. It is the control or corruption of the money.

      The short list of most feared finance figures of 2009. Granted, I am not a huge fan of Bill Gates, but his inclusion in the list is odd to me. By the way, it is pretty plain the author likes the agenda.

      http://www.investopedia.com/articles...ed-figures.asp

      The 5 Most Feared Figures In Finance

      October 29 2009| Filed Under » Financial Theory, Millionaires
      Every Halloween there is no shortage of children dressed up as vampires, werewolves and witches. If, however, a child truly wanted to inspire horror in the adults handing out the sweet candy treats, he or she would be better to put on a suit, tie and wing-tipped shoes, and threaten to topple the market. In this article, we'll take a look at the frightening financial figures that caused terror on Wall Street.

      No. 5 - Bill Gates
      Bill Gates is best known for being one of the richest men on the planet and the founder of tech company giant, Microsoft. The thing that helped him and his company establish a near-perfect dominance over the market was not a superior level of technology, but Gates' business acumen and cutthroat competitiveness. When Microsoft exploded onto the scene with MS-DOS, Excel, Word and then Windows, many investors wondered why the profits weren't being paid out in juicy dividends. It soon became apparent that Bill Gates was building a war chest of unbelievable size.

      Investors who would usually try to sway the board of directors to disperse the profits were unusually silent as Bill Gates plotted a course for Microsoft that would make it one of the largest companies in the world. Microsoft now has billions of dollars held in reserve that can be used as a weapon or a shield, depending on what the situation calls for. Whether it is facing down anti-trust lawsuits or carving out new markets for his company, Bill Gates and his 800-pound gorilla are very intimidating.




      No. 4 - George Soros
      George Soros has been described as a pirate and is despised in locations as various as Thailand, Britain and Malaysia. This famous currency speculator has made a fortune breaking currencies. In breaking the Bank of England, Soros became a figure to be feared by countries trying to protect fragile currencies. Soros is far from a numbers-only speculator. He looks in-depth at a country and tries to spot errors in valuation; political policies in particular draw his interest. Active in philanthropy focused on bringing about political change, Soros also uses his currency positions to "punish" countries whose policies are ignored in favor of positive economic data by most speculators. By pressuring these governments financially, Soros can force political changes that might never come about otherwise. Governments may fear him, but the citizens of these countries may ultimately thank him. (Though feared on Wall Street, charities and nonprofits adored both Soros and Gates. Find out more about their giving in The Christmas Saints Of Wall Street.)

      No. 3 - Carl Icahn
      Carl Icahn is a one-time raider who can be credited with prompting more Securities and Exchanges Commission regulation than any other individual.

      Icahn was the creator of greenmailing and one of the primary reasons that disclosure rules are so strict once stock holdings creep to the level of a toehold purchase. Icahn did everything from stripping assets and forcing stock buybacks, to personally dressing down CEOs and board members.

      Now, hemmed out of raiding by the SEC, Icahn buys controlling or even minority interests in companies that he considers to be undervalued. He then outlines his plan for creating value - ranging from spinning off profitable units, buying back stock, or simply cutting down excess overhead costs - and threatens a proxy war if his "advice" is not followed. With his reputation, a company may even see a jump in price just by calling down the wrath of Icahn on its slumping stock. Carl Icahn works to create value for the shareholders now, rather than stealing it from them, but a meeting with Icahn is still enough to give underperforming and overpaid CEOs the shakes.





      No. 2 - John D. Rockefeller
      John D. Rockefeller may be the most terrifying figure in finance. He was the richest man in the world and still ranks as the richest man in modern history. His company, Standard Oil, controlled 90% of the American oil industry and was infamous for forcing competitors to bankruptcy and then buying their assets from their creditors. But the thing that made him truly terrifying was his absolute belief in what he was doing. Rockefeller saw cutthroat competition as a ruinous practice that benefited the consumers much less than it ultimately hurt business. Rockefeller saw greater profits and greater benefits could be achieved by the practice of "combination", now called "economies of scale". (Keep reading on this subject in What Are Economies Of Scale?)

      Rockefeller is remembered for his hard ball practices of using the immense wealth of Standard Oil to cause train and barrel shortages that ruined his competitors and forced them to come to his side, but he should also be remembered for emphasizing research and development, reducing harmful waste and passing savings onto consumers. There is no doubt that his driving sense of purpose and the means he employed to achieve his ends were not all good, but there is as much to admire about Rockefeller as there is to fear.

      No. 1 - J.P. Morgan
      J.P. Morgan was a wealthy man, but not near the scale of a Rockefeller or even a Gates. What J.P. Morgan had more of than any other person on this list was pure power. During his lifetime it was said that God owned men's souls and J.P. Morgan owned the rest. The power that Morgan wielded owes as much to timing as to his personal attributes. Morgan was the primary banker for Wall Street, underwriting companies like General Electric and International Harvester at time when the American economy was getting ready to explode. At the time, a bank's reputation decided whether an issue would sell rather than the strength of the company's financials, and Morgan's reputation was gold.


      The moment when Morgan was at his most powerful and terrifying, however, came during the Bank Panic of 1907. Morgan personally gathered all the financial and political movers at his mansion and forced them into locked-door negotiations to resolve the crises. The idea that the entire American economy relied on one aging banker to keep it afloat scared the government so badly that the Federal Reserve Bank was created to prevent a similar situation in the future.

      Conclusion
      The word terrifying is apt for these men. The names Gates, Soros, Icahn, Rockefeller and Morgan all embody enough power (financial, mental and political), to inspire awe, respect and, consequently, fear. It is unlikely that they will ever inspire their own costume line, but they will forever cause chills down the spines of bankers, investors and financial figures alike.
    1. vector7's Avatar
      vector7 -
      Companion Threads:




      Run Silent, Run Deep - New Russian Subs Head out to Sea

      Silent sub: Russian noiseless Borei class nuclear submarine immersed

      Published: 30 December, 2012, 17:26


      Borei class nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomah at the “Sevmash” shipyard before its launch in Severodvinsk. (RIA Novosti/A. Petrov)


      Super-modern, powerful and almost noiseless Russian nuclear submarine Vladimir Monomakh has been put in water to become the third ship of the Borei project. The cruiser is about to begin sea trials and mooring to become fully operational in 2013.

      *Vladimir Monomakh was laid down at Russia’s largest shipbuilding complex Sevmash, located on the shores of the White Sea in the town of Severodvinsk in northern Russia on March 19, 2006 – the 100th anniversary of the Russian submarine fleet.

      *Borei-class submarine
      Length: 170 m
      Beam: 13.5 m
      Draught: 10 m
      Test depth: 450 m
      Displacement:
      14,720 tons surfaced
      24,000 tons submerged
      Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h)
      Complement: 107 (55 officers)
      Armament: 16-20 × Bulava SLBMs
      6 × 533 mm torpedo tubes

      It belongs to a class of missile strategic submarine cruisers with a new generation of nuclear reactor, which allows the submarine to dive to a depth of 480 meters. It can spend up to three months in autonomous navigation and, thanks to the latest achievements in the reduction of noise, it is almost silent compared to previous generations of submarines.

      The submarine is armed with the new missile system, which has from 16 to 20 solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles Bulava (SS-NX-30 by NATO classification). The rocket is able to overcome any prospective missile defense system.

      On August 27, 2011, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on a successful test of Bulava to investigate its maximum range. The missile was launched from the White Sea, flew 9,300km in just 33 minutes, and then fell in the specified area in the Pacific Ocean.

      All Borei class submarines are equipped with a floating rescue chamber designed to fit in the whole crew.


      Nuclear submarine (NS) "Yuri Dolgoruky" undergoing sea trials. (RIA Novosti)


      The Borei family


      The first and head submarine of Borei class, Yury Dolgoruky, has already completed the test program and is to be officially adopted by the Russian Navy on Sunday. Construction of the missile carrier is approximately estimated at around US$770 million, while other Borei class submarines are believed to cost less.

      “The hoisting of the flag and the signing of the acceptance act is to be adopted at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk on Sunday, December 30,” the Rubin design bureau that designed the submarine said in a statement on Saturday.

      Another missile cruiser of this project, the Aleksandr Nevsky, is undergoing tests, according to Borisov. While a fourth, more advanced submarine, the Knyaz Vladimir, with enhanced technical characteristics and increased ammunition is currently being built.

      Over the next eight years Russia plans to have built 10 Borei class submarines altogether, according to the state armaments program of 2011-2020. All Borei class submarines are believed to provide a basis of naval strategic nuclear forces of Russia in the coming decades.


      The nuclear submarine (NS) "Yuri Dolgoruky" in the area of the JSC "Sevmash". (RIA Novosti)



      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      15th Bulava missile successfully launched today

      Moscow, Russia - From a Yuri Dolgoruky submarine in the White Sea

      110628182624-1131478
      (World Aeronautical Press Agency - 2011-06-28 06:26 pm)



      (WAPA) - Colonel Igor Konashenkov, Russian defense ministry's spokesman, stated that today took place successfully the launch of the 15th Bulava ballistic missile.

      It was launched for the first time from a Yuri Dolgoruky submarine in the waters of the White Sea between Russia and Scandinavia and reached as scheduled its target at about 5500 km away in the Kamchatka Peninsula.

      Today's launch is the 15th of a Bulava missile -NATO code name SS-NX-30- which follows a number of failed attempts occurred last year (7 out of 15 tests): a result which had raised concerns about the effectiveness of these weapons, to which however Russia does not intend to renounce considering them as the only existing alternative and which it's going to use as strategic weapons from "Borey" class submarines until at least 2040-45.

      SS-NX-30, solid and liquid propellant three-stage missiles, have a range of over 8000 km and can carry up to 10 MIRVs, Multiple Independently targetable Reentry Vehicles.

      (Avionews)
      (0035)
    1. Ryan Ruck's Avatar
      Ryan Ruck -
      Sorry vector, Phil beat you to that one on page 2 of this thread.
    1. vector7's Avatar
      vector7 -
      Ah...I missed it!

      H/T to Phil for catching it early!
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      LOL, I saw your post Vector and was thinking maybe it was new info. I went back and looked and saw, nope, Vector skipped page two. I should do a dance now since I beat Vector to a post!
    1. vector7's Avatar
      vector7 -
      Now I feel like a post monger.

      What are your takes on the
      Russian Navy holding the biggest war games in decades to test the real potential of these new silent subs?
    1. Phil Fiord's Avatar
      Phil Fiord -
      Posted a general take on the article there a moment ago. Thank you for pointing it out.
    1. vector7's Avatar
      vector7 -
      They have been quietly working on the 10 MIRV Bulava ICMs to be fitted on these silent subs.

      Notice their controlled media reports on the Bulava deployment out to 2040-45, purposefully cloaking they would be in use within months.

      They may have finally perfected a growing fleet of real Red October class first strike subs capable of launching while submerged.

      I don't think they would reveal it's true potential on a Mediterranean or Pacific skirmish unless it was part of a much larger multinational strategic surgical first strike operation.

      They could bring these silent subs in close, launch their ICMs straight up toward the edge of the atmosphere and separate. The MIRVs come down directly over their targets within minutes.

      Wasn't it one of these subs that went undetected in the Gulf of Mexico?
    1. American Patriot's Avatar
      American Patriot -
      They could bring these silent subs in close, launch their ICMs straight up toward the edge of the atmosphere and separate. The MIRVs come down directly over their targets within minutes.
      Eight minutes... to be precise.
    1. Ryan Ruck's Avatar
      Ryan Ruck -
      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      Notice their controlled media reports on the Bulava deployment out to 2040-45, purposefully cloaking they would be in use within months.
      I missed that... That right there is what we like to call BULLSHIT!

      There is no way they are 30 years from deploying Bulava, especially with 3 Boreis in the water. You don't deploy a sub that would likely be coming up on the end of its service life before its primary weapon system is ready.
    1. MinutemanCO's Avatar
      MinutemanCO -
      For those who have the guts and intellectual capacity to look, the handwriting is on the wall. A new thought (at least for me)... could it be possible that Obama will utilize Russian nuclear dominance to complete his fundamental restructuring of America? Obama has a bodyguard and his name is Vladimir.
    1. American Patriot's Avatar
      American Patriot -
      Not a new thought MM. I've had that in my mind a long time.

      I personally think the gun incidents of late were "false flag" attacks. Oh, and I'm not the only one that thinks this now. A few "friends" in high places I have think it too, as well as a couple of authors I know are apparently thinking along these lines.

      Those attacks were orchestrated by Russia. A lot of people think I'm full of it on this, but its pretty reasonable to assume an outside agency doing something to help Obama get his gun control (remember the "I can be more flexible"?)

      There you are.

      Get rid of guns. Disarm America. Nuke the places that refuse to obey and then Obama reigns supreme. Literally.
    1. MinutemanCO's Avatar
      MinutemanCO -
      Interesting. I've often thought Obama was in bed with Russia and all bigtime communist entities. However, I've never added 2 to 2 and come up with Russia actually doing Obama's dirty work. I do now believe it's not only possible, though, but highly probable. Russia behind the gun attacks, huh? Interesting.