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  • China Says Nuclear Submarines Capable Of Widespread Attack On U.S.

    China Says Nuclear Submarines Capable Of Widespread Attack On U.S.






    Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijing’s nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.


    On Monday, leading media outlets including China Central TV, the People’s Daily, the Global Times, the PLA Daily, the China Youth Daily and the Guangmin Daily ran identical, top-headlined reports about the “awesomeness” of the People’s Liberation Army navy’s strategic submarine force.


    “This is the first time in 42 years since the establishment of our navy’s strategic submarine force that we reveal on such a large scale the secrets of our first-generation underwater nuclear force,” the Global Times said in a lengthy article titled “China for the First Time Possesses Effective Underwater Nuclear Deterrence against the United States.”


    The article features 30 photos and graphics detailing, among other things, damage projections for Seattle and Los Angeles after being hit by Chinese nuclear warheads and the deadly radiation that would spread all the way to Chicago.


    China’s sub fleet is reportedly the world’s second-largest, with about 70 vessels. About 10 are nuclear-powered, and four or more of those are nuclear ballistic submarines capable of launching missiles. Heavily influenced by Soviet naval models that stressed underwater forces, China’s nuclear submarine development began with the reverse-engineering of a Soviet Golf-class conventional-powered sub in the 1950s.


    In the 1980s, China developed its first ballistic missile sub, the Type 092 Xia-class, which has 12 launch tubes for the Julang (Giant Wave)-1 missiles. The JL-1 had a limited range and failed multiple test launches.


    In 2010, a new class of missile sub, the Type 094 Jin class, entered the service. It is capable of launching 12 to 16 JL-2 missiles with a range of about 8,700 miles, covering much of the continental U.S. with single or multiple, independently targetable re-entry vehicle warheads.

    Read more at Washington Times


    from a friend:

    Pay very close attention to this article. The US Navy is being stripped to 1915 manning. Also pay attention to the numerous other articles concerning many other nations, some questionable and in repute, that are also pursuing nuclear submarines capable of launching missiles. The politicians better pull their heads out of their [tailpipes], and wake up to this situation. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had better turn "Professional". Submarine can go off the coasts of Atlantic, Pacific, or Gulf. They can also go into the Mississippi or go from the Atlantic into the Great Lakes. No matter how or what, it is very bad.
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      American Patriot -
      Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijing’s nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.
      On Monday, leading media outlets including China Central TV, the People’s Daily, the Global Times, the PLA Daily, the China Youth Daily and the Guangmin Daily ran identical, top-headlined reports about the “awesomeness” of the People's Liberation Army navy’s strategic submarine force.

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      “This is the first time in 42 years since the establishment of our navy’s strategic submarine force that we reveal on such a large scale the secrets of our first-generation underwater nuclear force,” the Global Times said in a lengthy article titled “China for the First Time Possesses Effective Underwater Nuclear Deterrence against the United States.”
      The article features 30 photos and graphics detailing, among other things, damage projections for Seattle and Los Angeles after being hit by Chinese nuclear warheads and the deadly radiation that would spread all the way to Chicago.
      China’s sub fleet is reportedly the world’s second-largest, with about 70 vessels. About 10 are nuclear-powered, and four or more of those are nuclear ballistic submarines capable of launching missiles.
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      Image for Yu column Inside China Source: Global Times more >

      Heavily influenced by Soviet naval models that stressed underwater forces, China’s nuclear submarine development began with the reverse-engineering of a Soviet Golf-class conventional-powered sub in the 1950s.
      In the 1980s, China developed its first ballistic missile sub, the Type 092 Xia-class, which has 12 launch tubes for the Julang (Giant Wave)-1 missiles. The JL-1 had a limited range and failed multiple test launches.
      In 2010, a new class of missile sub, the Type 094 Jin class, entered the service. It is capable of launching 12 to 16 JL-2 missiles with a range of about 8,700 miles, covering much of the continental U.S. with single or multiple, independently targetable re-entry vehicle warheads.

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      Chinese calculations for nuclear attacks on the U.S. are chillingly macabre.
      “Because the Midwest states of the U.S. are sparsely populated, in order to increase the lethality, [our] nuclear attacks should mainly target the key cities on the West Coast of the United States, such as Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego,” the Global Times said.
      “The 12 JL-2 nuclear warheads carried by one single Type 094 SSBN can kill and wound 5 million to 12 million Americans,” the Global Times reported.
      China also has developed land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles — notably the DF-31A, which has a range of 7,000 to 7,500 miles.
      “If we launch our DF 31A ICBMs over the North Pole, we can easily destroy a whole list of metropolises on the East Coast and the New England region of the U.S., including Annapolis, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Portland, Baltimore and Norfolk, whose population accounts for about one-eighth of America’s total residents,” the Global Times said.
      All the state-run press reports stressed the point that the PLA’s missile submarines are now on routine strategic patrol, “which means that China for the first time has acquired the strategic deterrence and second strike capability against the United States.”
      “Our JL-2 SLBMs have become the fourth type of Chinese nuclear missiles that threaten the continental United States, after our DF-31A, DF-5A and DF-5B ICBMs,” said the Global Times.

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      Unpossible: Disney’s Dianne Sawyer Never Mentioned This Story On Last Night’s Evening News

      Posted on November 1, 2013 | Leave a comment

      Inside China: Nuclear submarines capable of widespread attack on U.S.



      Why the rattle of wardrums by the Chicoms and the neo-Sovs?


      My guess is psyops prep for their demands being met once the BRICS and OPEC decide the dollar ist kaput.


      Worst of all?


      There’s also a plot to destroy this nation’s strategic Angry Rooster Sauce production.


      Those of you who understand the protein logistics question would be advised to stockpile.


      Alea iacta est.




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      Quote Originally Posted by American Patriot View Post


      You see, this^ is only part of one members battle plans. There are many facets to a growing Axis multinational coalition war plans against America.






      Russian Subs Patrolling Off East Coast of U.S.

      By MARK MAZZETTI and THOM SHANKER
      Published: August 4, 2009



      WASHINGTON — A pair of nuclear-powered Russian attack submarines has been patrolling off the eastern seaboard of the United States over recent days, a rare mission that has raised concerns inside the Pentagon and intelligence agencies about a more assertive stance by the Russian military.

      The episode has echoes of the cold war era, when the United States and the Soviet Union regularly parked submarines off each other’s coasts to steal military secrets, track the movements of their underwater fleets — and be poised for war.

      But the collapse of the Soviet Union all but eliminated the ability of the Russian Navy to operate far from home ports, making the current submarine patrols thousands of miles from Russia even more surprising for military officials and defense policy experts.

      “I don’t think they’ve put two first-line nuclear subs off the U.S. coast in about 15 years,” said Norman Polmar, a naval historian and expert on submarine warfare.

      The submarines are of the Akula class, a counterpart to the Los Angeles class attack subs of the United States Navy, and not one of the larger submarines that can launch intercontinental nuclear missiles.

      According to Defense Department officials, one of the Russian submarines remained in international waters on Tuesday about 200 miles off the coast of the United States. The second submarine traveled south in recent days to make a port call in Cuba, according to a senior Defense Department official.

      Will Russia Drill Off Florida's Coast?

      By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
      Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:20 PM PT

      Energy: As Russian attack submarines patrol our eastern seaboard, Moscow signs a deal to help Castro's Cuba drill for oil off the Florida coast. In Moscow and Havana, the cry is "Drill, Comrade, Drill!"

      Two Russian nuclear attack submarines have taken up positions along our East Coast in recent days, another sign of renewed assertiveness by the former communist giant. The move comes as Moscow inks a deal with the communist relic of Cuba to drill for oil we refuse to go after.

      The submarines are of the Akula class, a counterpart to the Los Angeles class attack subs of the U.S. Navy. "I don't think they've put two first-line nuclear subs off the U.S. coast in about 15 years," said Norman Polmar, a naval historian and submarine warfare expert.


      Quote Originally Posted by Phil Fiord View Post
      Increasing close to our borders run of subs and aircraft. Its as if the cold war never ended, oh wait.... It didn't.

      Russian Sub Skirts Coast

      Russian attack sub detected near East Coast

      Sierra-2 submarine / fas.org

      BY: Bill Gertz

      A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine cruised within 200 miles of the East Coast recently in the latest sign Russia is continuing to flex its naval and aerial power against the United States, defense officials said.

      The submarine was identified by its NATO designation as a Russian Seirra-2 class submarine believed to be based with Russia’s Northern Fleet. It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.

      One defense official said the submarine was believed to have been conducting anti-submarine warfare efforts against U.S. ballistic and cruise missile submarines based at Kings Bay, Georgia.

      A second official said the submarine did not sail close to Kings Bay and also did not threaten a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group that was conducting exercises in the eastern Atlantic.



      Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks, U.S. officials say

      BY: Bill Gertz
      August 14, 2012 5:00 am

      A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine armed with long-range cruise missiles operated undetected in the Gulf of Mexico for several weeks and its travel in strategic U.S. waters was only confirmed after it left the region, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.

      It is only the second time since 2009 that a Russian attack submarine has patrolled so close to U.S. shores.

      The stealth underwater incursion in the Gulf took place at the same time Russian strategic bombers made incursions into restricted U.S. airspace near Alaska and California in June and July, and highlights a growing military assertiveness by Moscow.

      The submarine patrol also exposed what U.S. officials said were deficiencies in U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities—forces that are facing cuts under the Obama administration’s plan to reduce defense spending by $487 billion over the next 10 years.

      The Navy is in charge of detecting submarines, especially those that sail near U.S. nuclear missile submarines, and uses undersea sensors and satellites to locate and track them.

      The fact that the Akula was not detected in the Gulf is cause for concern, U.S. officials said.

      The officials who are familiar with reports of the submarine patrol in the Gulf of Mexico said the vessel was a nuclear-powered Akula-class attack submarine, one of Russia’s quietest submarines.

      A Navy spokeswoman declined to comment.


      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      THE DAY RUSSIA ATTACKS THE USA

      By Paul McGuire
      October 29, 2012



      Russia has approximately ten thousand to fifteen thousand antiballistic missiles in its defense system. Large numbers of these missiles have computer guidance systems that are programmed to hit specific targets in the United States. What if Russian antiballistic missiles come down like rain and nukes go off in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, San Francisco, Denver or Dallas?

      Is the Cold War really over? If it is, why did Russia’s Prime Minister publicly announce plans to significantly buildup the Russian military? According to a Washington Post article by Will Englund, entitled, “Putin Promises Russian Military Buildup,” “Vladimir Putin laid out his ambitious plans … for modernizing and strengthening Russia’s defense forces over the next decade, in the face of a threatening world and a powerful United States.”

      “For Russia to feel secure and for our partners to listen carefully to what our country has to say,” he wrote, Moscow must spend about $775 billion by 2022 for new armaments and a more professional military.”

      For decades Russia has been building up a vast network of underground bunkers and nuclear blast shelters. Some military experts secretly believe that Russia is secretly preparing for World War III. Other intelligence experts are speculating that Russia may be planning a future attack on the United States. The Russians have been storing grain, foodstuffs, gold, and oil and diesel fuel. Russian underground bunkers can store 326 million tons of grain, and their military can store up another 80 million tons of grain...



      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers complete Venezuela and Nicaragua flight





      Photo: RIA Novosti

      Under the framework of the Long-Range Aviation and Operational Training programs of the Russian Air Force, two supersonic Tu-160 strategic bombers completed a flight from the Maiquetia Airfield in Venezuela to the Managua airfield in Nicaragua.

      An official spokesperson of the Russian Defence Ministry said the two aircraft; "flew over the neutral waters of the Caribbean Sea, after which they entered the air space of the Republic of Nicaragua and made a routine landing".

      During the transit mission, the aircraft covered a distance of more than 2,500 kilometers with a flight time of approximately three hours.

      All flights by the Russian Air Force are made strictly in line with international rules governing the use of air space, the official said.

      The missile-carrying Tu-160 aircraft began their mission from the Engels airbase in the Saratov Region and flew over the Caribbean and the Pacific Ocean, then along the south-western coast of North America and made their first landing at Maiquetia airfield in Nicaragua with the 13-hour nonstop flight from Russia, covering a distance of 10,000 km.

      When flying over the territory of Norway, the aircraft were escorted by two Norwegian F-16 fighter jets out of the Norwegian Bodo air-force base.

      At Maiquetia airfied, the crews of the aircraft were greeted on behalf of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by the Republic's Defense Minister Carmen Melendez.

      Voice of Russia, TASS

      Read more:
      http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_1...a-flight-8263/


      Russia scrambles to build 5,000 new bomb shelters in Moscow by the end of 2012 for strategic nuclear strike

      Venezuela Backing Leftist Guerrillas In Mexico


      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      Chinese, Mexican defense ministers hold talks on military cooperation



      Chinese State Councilor and Defense Minister Liang Guanglie (2nd L) reviews an honour guard at Mexican defense ministry in Mexico City, Mexico, Sept. 1, 2010. Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie is in Mexico on an official good-will visit at the invitation of Mexican Secretary of National Defense Guillermo Galvan Galvan. (Xinhua/David de la Paz)

      MEXICO CITY, Sept. 1 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie met his Mexican counterpart Guillermo Galvan Galvan here Wednesday to promote bilateral military cooperation.

      Liang, also China's state councilor, said that Mexico is China's good friend and partner in the Latin American region, adding China attaches great importance to developing ties with Mexico.

      China is willing to boost its military ties with Mexico and deepen bilateral military exchanges and cooperation in various fields, he said.

      Liang thanked the Mexican government for its support to China on the issues of Taiwan and Tibet.

      Galvan said China is a great country, and Mexico has high expectations for boosting its military ties with China. The two sides can strengthen exchanges to expand military cooperation, the minister added.

      Liang also met Mexico's Navy Minister Mariano Francisco Sainez Mendoza, and both sides agreed to promote military exchanges and cooperation.

      Liang arrived here Tuesday for a four-day visit.




      Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
      Iran’s Bomb and the Chinese Connection

      The problem is that the ability to evaluate the technology being transferred appears to be hampered, at least in the public eye, by a lack of human intelligence on the ground. If the Iranians are following the Chinese model, they are manufacturing or have produced warheads which are lighter and capable of yielding a nuclear explosion of between 50 to 100 kt. If that is indeed the case, then I strongly suggest those living within the continental United States in the map area highlighted in red (distances are approximate) consider their radiological survival procedures and packages immediately. After all, it only takes one lucky shot and a miss by the Anti-Ballistic Missile systems in our country and our nation changes forever.

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      Oh, *I* got it.....

      I know what they are up to.

      And any one with a lick of sense or does intelligence collection, or analysis knows too.
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      That Time China's State Media Ran An Article About Potential Nuclear Strikes Against Los Angeles

      November 21, 2014

      China has entertained the threat of nuclear strikes against west coast cities such as Los Angeles and Seattle, the annual 2014 congressional report from the US China Economic and Security Review Commission states.

      According to the report, a Chinese newspaper sponsored by the Communist Party ran an article in November 2013 about the possibilities of nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) strikes against much of the US's Pacific coast. In the scenario imagined by the newspaper, China's new JIN ballistic missile submarine could act as an ultimate deterrent to any hostile US foreign policy.

      [T]he 12 JL-2 nuclear missiles carried by one JIN nuclear submarine could cause the destruction of five million to 12 million people, forming a very clear deterrent effect. There is not a dense population in the United States' midwest region, so to increase the destructive effect, the main soft targets for nuclear destruction in the United States will be the main cities on the west coast, such as Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Diego.

      China has made similar veiled threats against US involvement in their backyard issues before. During the Taiwan Strait Crisis in 1995 to 1996, Chinese Lieutenant General Xiong Guangkai told the US assistant secretary of defense that "Americans care more about Los Angeles than they do about Taiwan."

      However, threats from China today carry more weight than they did during the 1990s. According to an executive summary of the report, China's nuclear ICBM stockpile capable of reaching the US will likely expand to over 100 missiles within the next 15 years.

      Simultaneously, China is developing a fleet of road-mobile ICBMs, the DF-41, that could be deployed as early as 2015. The DF-41 will be capable of carrying up to 10 missiles that would each have a maximum range of 7,456 miles. This range would allow China to target the entirety of the continental US.

      According to the executive summary, these capabilities are being produced to deter any unwanted US military action as Washington pivots its forces towards the Pacific. In practice, these new nuclear capabilities are providing "Beijing with a more extensive range of military and foreign policy options and potentially weakening U.S. extended deterrence, particularly with respect to Japan."


      Tensions in Asia have been increasing as China attempts to flex its regional muscles. This growth has led to military standoffs between China and US allies Japan and the Philippines. In the event of a war between China and Japan, the US would be treaty-bound to come to Japan's aid.

      However, any military aid could become severely limited by the possibility of a nuclear strike and the possibility of a new Cold War.


      A map published by a state-sponsored Chinese newspaper showing a nuclear strike against Los Angeles.
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      American Patriot -
      Anyone remember the "missile launch" off the coast of Calif a couple years back? Near LA?

      No?
    1. Malsua's Avatar
      Malsua -
      The above picture seems like all it would do would take out what's left of the Porn industry in California and eliminate the world's largest leftwing propaganda mouth piece; Hollywood.
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      American Patriot -
      So we lose porn too?

      lol
    1. Malsua's Avatar
      Malsua -
      No, since the advent of "required" condoms in California, the porn industry, for the most part has moved to Vegas and Miami.
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      Lol
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      American Patriot -
      Honestly, Mal, I wouldn't have known any of that if you didn't tell me.


      Which begs the question... how do you know?

      (Don't answer that, PLEASE!) LOL
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      Mal - is that an OSHA requirement? Workplace safety? Heh.
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      American Patriot -
      You hada go there, didnya Toad?

      LMAO!
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      Malsua -
      How do I know? Pretty simple really, I was reading an article on American Thinker or one of those conservative sites and they were discussing how nanny state/hostile California is to business...they even ran the porn industry out!
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      Ryan Ruck -
      Quote Originally Posted by American Patriot View Post
      Honestly, Mal, I wouldn't have known any of that if you didn't tell me.


      Which begs the question... how do you know?

      (Don't answer that, PLEASE!) LOL
      Um, I knew that too. Because of... extensive research. Yeah, that's it.

      Then again, you can pretty much recreate this scene anywhere...

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      American Patriot -
      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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      Avvakum -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
      Um, I knew that too. Because of... extensive research. Yeah, that's it.

      Then again, you can pretty much recreate this scene anywhere...

      I've seen that office before, a certain talent audition video series, lol....
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      Avvakum -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post


      Lol.....

      I am by no means a hypocrite, I hope. I am a Christian and an honorable gentleman, but I do love beautiful sensuous women and am passionate, being like the prophet st. Daniel a 'man of desires'. As st. Augustine once said; 'Lord give me chastity, I said in my youth, but not yet.' Men are visual creatures by nature.

      That being said, porn is a danger and can be addictive.

      Back to the thread though. China isn't our friend. It is engaging in a version of Lenin's 'New Economic Policy' (temporary and state-controlled Capitalism) in order to upgrade and modernize it's military, including it's nuclear subs. We are paying for them to destroy us, also a Leninist hallmark.
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      But.... does China have porn?

      LOL