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Morrison went on to express exasperation at the "maggots" who backed Obama, specifically accusing non-white voters of voting for the president on an "ethnic basis."
Looks to me like others have taken up the call of "Maggots" as have I... /chuckles
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DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look out, the Secret Service will invade!
Secessionists challenge federal government by printing own currency
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/...ages/alamo.pngAlthough we have for many years been part of the United States, many in Texas want us to secede. They cite a number of benefits, including being independent from a government that represents the coasts better than the middle of the the country. They point out that Texas, as a smaller nation, would be more flexible and less burdened with bureaucracy.
The part of this movement with the most activity calls itself The Republic of Texas, and they have just minted their first currency. This is one of the most plausible steps toward secession, which is a gradual disentanglement of legal and social systems from those of the host country.
Sold as a medallion, the new currency is pure silver at one Troy ounce with a Lone Star on the front. The back features an image of the Alamo, commemorating one of the great victories of the original struggle for Texas independence.
Although the Republic of Texas stops short of calling this medallion "money," it does contain a currency value -- "fifty" -- on it and on their web site, they say "These silver medallions will also enhance barter exchange between Texians because it retains a high intrinsic value, unlike paper currencies around the world."
They're selling the medallion for $35 + $10 shipping, and it should be interesting to see what kind of interest this gets from our federal government. Hopefully not another Waco.
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White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
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Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from the Obama administration.
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
A petition from Vermont, where talk of secession is a regular feature of political life, was the final entry.
Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin. Shortly before 9:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, it had attracted 94,700 signatures. But a spokesperson for Gov. Rick Perry said Tuesday afternoon that he does not support the idea of his state striking out on its own.
“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” according to a statement from the governor’s office.
A backlash Monday night saw requests filed with the White House to strip citizenship rights from Americans who signed petitions to help states secede. (RELATED: Anti-secession forces fight back with White House deportation petitions)
And in a similar nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
Houstonian “Kimberly F” — The White House does not provide last names — submitted the petition. She told TheDC in an email that ”[w]e need both sides presented, or we all look like a bunch of fools.”
A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
But smaller petitions like theirs are a political side show of a political side show. One effort, aimed at Missourians, called for a nationwide catered pizza party to celebrate when the Show Me State left the U.S. (RELATED: Pizza party! White House petition silliness gets cheesy)
States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
The White House provides a 30-day window of time for petitions to reach 25,000 signatures.
Web surfers must register their names online with the White House before launching or signing a petition, but it’s not clear if the 675,000 signatures represent the same number of individuals, since the website permits signers to add their names to multiple petitions.
Individual petition signers, however, may only add their names once to any proposal.
The Daily Caller emailed White House deputy press secretary Joshua Earnest for comment, asking if the Obama administration was taking the grassroots effort seriously.
“Does the President see this as a bunch of Gov. Romney’s supporters blowing off steam after the election?” TheDC asked. “As an earnest show of disaffection with the direction of the country? As something else?”
Earnest did not respond.
The most recent petition to attract at least 150 signatures — the threshold required before the White House adds a petition to its searchable database — suggests a way out, even if a state or two were to take the secession talk seriously.
A Darlington, South Carolina man proposed Tuesday that the Obama administration ”allow the states that have asked to secede to do so and form their own NEW nation together.”
That effort only has 24,000 more signatures to collect before it could find its way into the West Wing.
Numbers in this article were updated after publication.
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Secessionist says Texas independence 'inevitable'
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"Enough is enough," said Cary Wise of the Texas Nationalist Movement at a meeting in Frisco Tuesday night. He said Texas independence is "inevitable."
by TERESA WOODARD
WFAA
Posted on November 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM
FRISCO — A movement to make Texas its own nation has been organized for about a decade-and-a-half, but it's never seen thus much interest.
The Texas Nationalist Movement usually gets about 100,000 hits on its website in a month. Since the election one week ago, Membership Director Cary Wise said the site has seen five times that number.
"Right now we are finding the founding fathers and mothers of a new Republic of Texas," Wise told a packed house in Frisco Tuesday night.
It was to have been the introductory meeting of Wise's new Collin County chapter. He expected a handful — and got a room full. About 70 people attended the meeting.
Wise said the election and the petition filed on the White House website are stirring up unprecedented interest in secession.
Amy Robison lives in Dallas, was born in Dallas, and splits her time between Texas and New Mexico, where her husband is a surgeon.
"I'd be happy to move his practice here if Texas seceded," she said. "This is real. As we all grew up as little American children, we were taught Texas was capable of seceding. We all kept that in the back of our minds that if we ever needed to escape, this is where we'd come."
There was serious discussion at Wise's meeting about how to make it happen.
People asked about creating a Texas military, a monetary system, and whether Social Security benefits would still be received.
"We're not gonna start a revolution; we're not gonna go shoot anybody," Wise said. "We're gonna politically and peacefully, through the pressure of the sovereign people of the State of Texas, we will change this. People ask if Texas independence will really happen. Folks, it is inevitable."
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Secession Petitions: What They Mean In The Context Of History
Posted on: 5:23 pm, November 13, 2012, by David Kumbroch, updated on: 07:31pm, November 13, 2012
(WHNT) – Recently a slew of petitions popped up on a government-run website asking for individual states to secede from the US.
The petitions range from hundreds to thousands of signatures.
Though practically, the numbers aren’t that important.
Athens State University History Professor Dr. Sean Busick explains, “Certainly right now the talk of secession truly isn’t feasible. At least, I perceive it to be a protest.”
But internet secessionists are just the latest breed in a long line of American secessionist movements.
Dr. Busick notes the movements aren’t that uncommon, “Countless small ones. A handful of big ones though. You can make the case that the American Revolution was a secessionist movement.”
That’s right; the country was born out of its own type of secession.
And it didn’t stop there.
Dr. Busick explains, “The first major secessionist movement after that though would have been in New England, which probably surprises a lot of people, because everybody naturally associates secession with the south.”
He’s referring to the Hartford Convention, which pushed for secession around the War of 1812.
Then of course we saw the secession that led to the Civil War.
Athens State History Professor Sean Busick says history shows the similarity between the two is simple, and it very well could extend to today’s movements as well.
Dr. Busick says, “It’s perceived as a remedy for people who consider themselves outsiders.”
He adds during the Hartford Convention, northerners felt southerners would forever dominate American politics, and leading up to the Civil War, southerners felt their interests similarly suppressed.
So maybe what we draw from this group of internet secessionists is that there’s a sense of gloom going forward.
If it fits the historical pattern of secession, maybe it isn’t just anger that certain values didn’t triumph at the ballot box, but instead fear that those values won’t get their proper due going forward.
As for the secession petitions though, Dr. Busick argues, “I think this is largely symbolic. If you’re serious about the secession, you don’t ask the federal government’s permission.”
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November 14, 2012
3 Myths About Secession
Posted by Ryan W. McMaken on November 14, 2012 12:18 AM
I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing "God Bless America" at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.
But, in response, most of the comments coming from political hacks display a deep, deep ignorance of the history of secession and the Constitutional realities behind it.
In response, I thought I'd list some retorts to the basic myths which most of the anti-secession screeds are intent on perpetuating.
1. The Constitution does not prohibit secession. The legal argument boils down to this: 1. The Constitution does not mention secession. In any way. 2. The Tenth Amendment says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Now I don't have a Ph.D. in logic, but even I can figure out that if something is not mentioned, then, according to the 10th Amendment, it isn't prohibited to the states. In fact, it is the opposite of prohibited. Now I know that the Supreme Court says no secession allowed, which means the federal government has declared that you can't escape the federal government. Gee, that's no shocker. So, sure, if you believe that the federal government should be the last word on what the federal government can and cannot do, then that's fine. Just don't pretend that we have constitutional government. If the federal government gets to decide what the Constitution says, then the Constitution is nothing more than a suggestion box for the feds.
2. The Civil War did not "settle" the issue. Well, it settled the issue in the way that I settled the matter of ownership of that Steve Garvey baseball card when I beat up that other kid and took it. (OK, that never happened, but you get my point.) Secession was never settled beyond the federal government's assertion that it has the right to kill people who try to exercise their rights protected by the Tenth Amendment.
3. Secession is treason/unAmerican/craaaazy/for slavers only. Prior to the confederacy, there were some slaveowners who got together and seceded from their government. They were called Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. If you're opposed to the secession of 1776, then that's fine, you might be consistent on this issue, but if you're one of these right-wing pundits who thinks the Declaration of Independence should be read aloud every July 4, and then says that secession is nutso, you might try actually reading that document you profess to love.
The Declaration makes a simple argument:
1. Humans have rights from the Creator
2. Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we'll roll with it.)
3. When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.
That's pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was no such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we're so much more free now? And, no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.
The Declaration establishes that there's no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains (in No Treason #1):
Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775–1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.
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Since then, residents from the following states have added their own secession petitions: New Hampshire, Illinois, Idaho, Rhode Island, Virginia, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, California, Delaware, Nevada, Kansas, Ohio, South Dakota, West Virginia, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, New York, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas.
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Um, no. I hate to break it to you all but you are the problem (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida you all are on probation) and you get to sleep in your bed now that you've made it.
Unless this is some attempt to get away from those evil racist rednecks in flyover country...
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My county went 60% Romney. What about yours?
""Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?"
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SUMMARY REPORT SUSSEX COUNTY, NEW JERSEY
Unofficial Results RUN DATE:11/06/12
GENERAL ELECTION RUN TIME:09:54 PM NOVEMBER 6, 2012
VOTES PERCENT PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 122). . . . . 122 100.00 REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 100,152 BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 62,110 VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 62.02
PRESIDENT VOTE FOR 1
Romney & Ryan (REP) . . . . . . . 37,215 60.09
Obama & Biden (DEM) . . . . . . . 23,406 37.79
Johnson & Gray (LIB). . . . . . . 679 1.10
Boss & Pasternak (NSA) . . . . . . 24 .04 Lindsay & Osorio (SAL) . . . . . . 7 .01 Anderson & Rodriguez (NJJ). . . . . 60 .10 Stein & Honkala (GRN) . . . . . . 222 .36 Harris & DeLuca (SWP) . . . . . . 18 .03 Miller & Bertram (ATP) . . . . . . 26 .04 Goode & Clymer (CON). . . . . . . 47 .08 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 233 .38 U.S. SENATE VOTE FOR 1 Joe Kyrillos (REP) . . . . . . . 35,099 58.14 Robert Menendez (DEM) . . . . . . 22,618 37.47 Gwen Diakos (JSI). . . . . . . . 996 1.65 Eugene Martin LaVergne . . . . . . 47 .08 Ken Wolski (GRN) . . . . . . . . 592 .98 J. David Dranikoff (TIC) . . . . . 199 .33 Gregory Pason (SPU) . . . . . . . 66 .11 Daryl Mikell Brooks (RFN) . . . . . 33 .05 Inder "Andy" Soni (AMF). . . . . . 75 .12 Robert "Turk" Turkavage (RFI). . . . 105 .17 Kenneth R. Kaplan (LIB). . . . . . 468 .78 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 68 .11 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 5TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT VOTE FOR 1 Scott Garrett (REP) . . . . . . . 26,756 67.06 Adam Gussen (DEM). . . . . . . . 11,433 28.65 Patricia Alessandrini (GRN) . . . . 1,656 4.15 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 54 .14 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 11TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT VOTE FOR 1 Rodney P. Frelinghuysen (REP). . . . 13,471 67.16 John Arvanites (DEM). . . . . . . 5,894 29.38 Barry Berlin (OCG) . . . . . . . 659 3.29 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 34 .17 FREEHOLDER VOTE FOR 2 Dennis J. Mudrick (REP). . . . . . 32,825 32.68 Gail Phoebus (REP) . . . . . . . 31,063 30.93 Susan M. Williams (DEM). . . . . . 19,878 19.79 James C. Tighe (DEM). . . . . . . 16,421 16.35 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 242 .24 ANDOVER BORO COUNCIL 3YR VOTE FOR 2 Mel Dennison (REP) . . . . . . . 170 45.58 Robert L. Smith (REP) . . . . . . 182 48.79 No Nomination Made . . . . . . . 0 No Nomination Made . . . . . . . 0 WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 21 5.63
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El Paso County 2012 Election Results
All vote results are El Paso county's particular votes. If a winner was declared on the overall race, that winner is marked here. That winner may not correspond with how El Paso voted. Below each race's totals is a link to full results for that race.
President elections that take place in El Paso County
President, county election returns
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The rest of the elections here in my county were GOP... I think with one exception, and I am not sure if anyone else was running against the person, but I find no results for him (and I know I voted for the guy).
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My point was, my county, a very red county, is probably among those that would happily secede. It's the humps in Newark, Trenton and Camden on government handouts that out vote the rest of us.
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Yeah, that's my point too.
We out number Denver County now (first time since the state became a state) - since about 2010 or so (census).
We would do it. Denver Co. won't... and it's not just that county but several others. What got me was the counties I THOUGHT would go to Obama, DID NOT (including Denver co, and two others which I predicted would be strong for Obama.
Which makes me wonder precisely HOW he took Colorado.....
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My county went 67% http://www.transasianaxis.com/attach...1&d=1308162062
Sorry to lump you in there Mal but the truth is you're behind enemy lines (hell, I am too at this point!). For simplicity's sake it's easiest to keep this drawn to state lines when dealing with the topic on the national level. But believe me, I know there's a lot of red in states that are considered to be blue, places like California away from the coast and upstate New York.
Oh, and thanks for reminding me Rick... Colorado, you're on probation too! :D
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I find it difficult to believe that CO went for Obama, AGAIN.
On the one hand it's a matter of Liberals vs Conservatives. On the other hand.... the "excuse" is that there are a LOT of tree hugging Liberals here. They are all around me, even in my own county. I wish I could take a picture of the cars in the parking lot that have the stupid "Coexist" stickers, "Obama" and "Save the Whales" stickers.
And they WORK here.... God.
Colorado isn't just on probation, I'm leaving it.
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Lets face facts here. It's city vs country.
Urban hell holes attract rats. Democ-Rats. Are there any rural counties that went Obama?
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No, I don't think ANY rural areas went to Obama. I'm sure, someplace there is a county red-blue map. I don't trust Google on that....
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First off, Ryan, your point is ill received by me. I know too many people who are scratching their heads and wondering how the fuck did this happen? I am one of these people. I watched as my county was red and at the last moment flipped. It made no sense. As was said about other places, Fairfax County is a forgone conclusion. Its so close to DC and houses so many on the Fed teat, it will be blue. Prince William County is a little more middle because it has a larger mix of workers, though it too houses Fed teaters. I have watched my county change in the last 5 years. It is not what it was and much of it is those who fled Maryland and brought the mentality of Maryland voters with them. Both went blue at the end, but as you saw in Ohio, we had almost a 10 to 1 ratio of Romney vs Obama support visible. It was these counties that flipped the election here. Look at the Virginia county map. Almost the entire state is red. Almost ALL!
One tactic I heard directly about was in the Richmond area, I have a cousin and was visiting last Thursday and Friday. A neighbor of his who works in a mentally disabled persons home told me directly that buses pulled up and volunteers loaded up these people and instructed them to vote a dem ticket if they wanted to keep their benefits. I do not mean to belittle those so afflicted, but honestly, it is not hard to insight fear into a disabled person to get them to do as you wish.
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The Left stole the election...the Republic is gone.
Many have not started to comprehend what happened.
Cap and Trade is moving fowrard on the west coast, Obamcare is the law of the land and the US military has been decapitated and about to be viserated.
Not until...jobs rapidlly evaporate, taxes go up, more anti-constitution Supreme Court Judges get installed, Sharia creeps into law, Pastors get put in jail for preaching the gospel, shelves become bare and the dollar goes down while coming for your guns will people start to wake up (SHTF) and that will be too feaking late.
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/w...cleveland.html
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ohi...1/03/id/462674
http://godfatherpolitics.com/7942/oh...fTvHc.facebook
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=4hDt9hM_cgs
Here is the link for more info....
http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/
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It's the Californicators Rick.
They fucked up and bankrupted their state and like locusts they're moving onto a new host.
http://www.forbes.com/special-report...migration.html
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Believe me Phil, I know! I'm in the same boat and I don't like it any more than you. After all, even though I plan to strike out for greener pastures eventually I've got family that is intent on staying in Ohio and I surely don't want to have to consider them as "living behind enemy lines". I don't necessarily think states like yours, mine, or Rick's are lost causes to be written off just yet (hence my "probation" comment made in jest). I'm not quite sure how they can be "fixed" but make no mistake they are definitely teetering on the point of no return.
The other fact is that a lot of the solidly blue states are unfortunately just lost causes even if there are large physical swaths of red throughout. Liberalism is just too entrenched due to their overwhelmingly huge urban centers.
The sad truth is that we are now living in a tyranny of the majority. A majority that is crammed in cities, easily "herded" because of where and how they live, and overwhelmingly support Democrats because of the "free" shit they get from said Dems.
What this secession talk boils down to is ending that tyranny of the majority and the only way I can see overcoming this majority in their massive urban centers is to treat them like cancerous tumors. Except in this case we would be excising the healthy body from the cancer to save it.
In all honesty, if someone has a better solution I am most definitely all ears as I surely don't want to see our country torn apart but, what else can we do to change the course we're on?