Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
I've been involved, sometimes intimately with policy decisions in the past. I know for a fact that some foreign policy decisions are based solely upon the guy in office at the time.
The President is the guy who dictates those policies occasionally he might even have the help of a cabinet member or some lawyer.
I don't for a second believe that any ONE person is responsible for the "pickle" America is in.
But IN IT we are.
If you do something wrong and get yourselves over your head in a mortgage, do you simply WALK AWAY? Do you pay your bill like an honest person? Do you give up and let the bank take your property leaving you with a horrible credit account in the future (many YEARS) in the future?
I don't know what you do, but *I* do the "Right thing".
Sometimes the right thing is understanding where you screwed up and fixing it.
That doesn't mean walking out on Israel. Or even the UK for that matter.
I've merely been attempting to make the point that we as Americans all have our own personal ideas of the "way things should be" (or more clearly, "If I were King")
The problem is NONE of us have a say in it outside of being politicians.
It's up to us to make our voices known.
My opinion is pretty damned clear, and it is in complete opposition to Michael and perhaps Peterle on what should be done about Israel.
Personally, if they ask, I think we should help.
At least in ways that benefit us, which is what 99% of previous presidents have done. In WAYS that BENEFIT the USA.
That's how it works.
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
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michael2
'When you're in a hole, stop digging.' applies in this case of America's foreign policy mistakes.
I agree, that's a fix. That doesn't mean you necessarily climb out of the hole right away if you had a reason for digging it.
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Nothing Israel asks for has ever been to America's benefit, nor Israel's for that matter.
I think that is an opinion, and I don't think you can point to specifics at this point, any more than I can point to anything they have ever asked for.
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Those bullets and rockets the Israelis fired at the USS Liberty had 'made in America' all over them. You may conveiniently forgot those American deaths at Israeli hands, and the younger generation hardly even knows of it, but I remember. And I remember that 'Israel-firster' Jonathan Pollard's spying that got Americans killed also and the 'Lavon Affair' too.
The USS Liberty was a mistake. It's a Conspiracy Theory to make the "Jews look evil". I'm surprised you've bought into this theory. The truth behind this was that there was mistaken identity of the ship, the US was likely there and shouldn't have been right where it was.
BUT, mistakes happen. We've killed a lot of people accidentally and apologized for it.
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Israel is not America's friend and ally, It is it's own friend and ally. Don't beilieve for one second that Israel wouldn't ditch America for Russia and China if it suited their purposes.
Again, YOUR opinion. I happen to know better from personal experience. Sorry Michael, they come to the US all the time to cooperate on many levels.
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
And we expected anything less than this? The way Obama and Company has treated the Israelis of late?
I would expect nothing less from them now.
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
Do you remember the Six Days War Michael?
I remember it. Israel required no "heavy lifting" then.
The Wikipedia entry has some interesting notes in it, not that I advocate Wikipedia usually - but make note of the Russians' involvement, and the fact that the Israelis may have made a preemptive strike.
I've visited sites in Egypt that Israel rolled into with tanks, taking out military commands, air strips and AA guns on the mountains.
Nothing I saw was indicative of an impotent military force.
From a purely military standpoint, something I know a thing or two about, Israel is a fully capable country. I haven't really formed an opinion of whether they will or won't attack - but my thinking and believe is they will.
However, it won't be as easy as it was in 1967 - the Russians have helped the Iranians to higher quality anti-aircraft systems.
The Russians have been trying to get Israel nuked since 1967. Unfortunately for the Russians, no one had nukes then to my knowledge but the Soviets themselves and that would have touched off something bigger than the Soviets were equipped to deal with.
The problem today is the Russians don't care - but they know WE can still kick their asses and lay waste to their country.
Hence Obama shutting down nukes in our own country.
Giving the bad guys a "fighting chance" now.
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
Naw, I don't misunderstand your stated position at all.
I completely disagree with it.
There's a big difference.
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
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michael2
You disagree with Israel having a demographic nightmare on it's hands, for example?
I do, to some degree. But, then if you examine why they are there in the first place, they were placed there by the UN....
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If you do, you might want to reconsider your boast about understanding, because it's a problem everybody in Israel is aware of, and nobody wants or is able to address the problem.
I wasn't "boasting". STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
And do you think that by the country being surrounded by Arab countries it is somehow up to Israel to shut up and hide? How about if they do nothing at all about Iran? How about if they just "give up"?
Do you think those are good ideas? It's what you're advocating.... "giving up".
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If you expect Israel's future Arab majority to want to maintain Israel as a 'Jewish State', then there really is no discussing the problem with you.
You're right. There is no discussing this with me. I'm right, you're simply wrong.
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I'm sick of talking about these terrible countries, i'd rather talk about REAL threats to US national security, like Russia and China, not these crapholes.
Then why don't you stop jumping into every thread to tell us how wrong we are about Israel? Stick to the threads about Russia. Honestly Michael, I don't think you're "sick" of talking about this stuff. You seem to think you have some insight into the future - you don't.
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I tell you what; time will tell who is more right about these issues, you or me. And so I'm willing to hold off and wait until history proves my logic right :)
Well, you're not going to get the chance to say "I told you so". Your own country is going to hell in a handbasket and you want to take a Ron Paul approach to things, isolation. You might end up being one of the victims because you're too blind to see the big picture.