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Re: America will face Riots, Marches, and Revolution
I too am talking about members of this forum.
I've been a delivery man on a wine truck. I've been in the military and spent a lot of time getting up and deploying in the middle of the night.
I've been a teacher. I've been a communications technician, and these days I'm a "glorified security system repairman". I work inside, outside, snow, rain, sleet, nice weather, but not as much as I'd LIKE to do.....
I know what Ryan and Backstop do. Not as sure about Mal. I know what many of the other folks do here, and seriously, most of us don't have cushy, sit-at-the-desk jobs.
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Meekly raises hand
I work at my desk.
I also work out in the factory outside of my office but my _real_ work happens here at the computer.
My core job is writing software programs that interface with hardware but I also design hardware and fix hardware. I also do everything computer. Hardware, OS, networking infrastructure, etc.
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And not to belabor the point but.
I can fix and rebuild engines large and small and all sorts of auto repair. My first v8 engine that I rebuilt: http://thewellrats.com/malbor2/pictu...ay/engine1.jpg
do wood working
Cut and split firewood all year round
Do stone work: http://thewellrats.com/malbor2/water/IMG_3431.JPG
I can trap, hunt and shoot better than most.
My hands are not strangers to labor.
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Re: America will face Riots, Marches, and Revolution
What I think we're getting at Peterle, is most of the guys here aren't lazy slobs who only want to sit at a desk and can do other things outside of something "intellectual" like click on keys on a keyboard.
I too can program some stuff (older languages) - but unlike Mal I don't do real programming which I do envy to some extent (it's an art and a science I have not the ability to do more than small pieces of code for things, a single job these days).
But most of us can lay concrete pretty well, build a wall, work on cars (I will stop right there because I can't REBUILD a car either, but I am not a mechanic by any means).
Chop wood, wire a house, fish, hunt, track, know twenty ways probably to kill a man.... you see we're not just one-job people most of us.
Most homeowners can do some rudimentary dry walling, wiring, plumbing and such.
There are CERTAINLY food stamp people Peterle, but its not the folks that visit this site.
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I fess up. As an architect working for a colorado municipality, I do spend a great deal of time behind a desk. I hate it. Whenever I can, I grab a city Jeep and head out to job sites.
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Re: America will face Riots, Marches, and Revolution
I have been mulling over doing a poll here on the site. Unfortunately, I've been swamped at work here and evenings are full too.
Basically, I'd like to get folks' opinions on the title of this thread.
One of our "late users" said America is evil. Those weren't his exact words but essentially he has issues with America and Americans. And he is an American living in a foreign country.
The title of the thread is: America will face Riots, Marches, and Revolution
My question is "What is your personal, gut feeling on this? Will America have an internal Revolution with in the next ten years?"
Revolution is defied as "a fundamental change in power or organizational structure that takes place in a short period of time".... Also, "A turn around of power".
Personally, I believe the "Revolution" has begun. There are no gun shots, riots or battles with Government forces, or Civil War.
But I think that America has started to undergo this "fundamental change" directly related to Obama himself taking over the functioning of the US Government, impressing his idealism of Socialism and with his lack of explanations as to his background and personal beliefs.
He says one thing, believes another. He has places our enemies upon a pedestal (Muslims, Communists, Socialism) and he has put down America as "an average" or "mediocre" place in the world to live or be from.
Essentially - the man has traveled little, had a good "Liberal" education, might not even be a legal US citizen and has run the economy into ground almost as if he were driving the train himself.
He has put into place powers on the several agencies of the government to enforce their own policies and to "Green" things. Doing this has placed massive regulations on Americans and Jobs.
I think the revolution will occur this next year in the Ballot Box - without fighting, but not without a very powerful economic collapse (at this point, this can be turned around too).
Obama and the Leftists in the government are about to be thrown out for the most part. The first "shots" were fired when the Conservatives took the House back.
Now we need the Senate, and eventually the Presidency.
Just my own thoughts.
Any others?
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I don't think there will be an internal civil war, or a period of time without rule of law UNLESS one or more black swan events occurs. Even a currency collapse won't turn us into a chapter out of "Patriots" or "One Second After".
My short list of black swans are these known unknowns(timing):
Canary Island Tsunami
Multiple EMP
Yellowstone Caldera eruption
Captain Trips
Lucifer's Hammer (Comet, Meteor)
A black swan black swan. (a real unknown unknown)
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Malsua
I don't think there will be an internal civil war, or a period of time without rule of law UNLESS one or more black swan events occurs. Even a currency collapse won't turn us into a chapter out of "Patriots" or "One Second After".
My short list of black swans are these known unknowns(timing):
Canary Island Tsunami
Multiple EMP
Yellowstone Caldera eruption
Captain Trips
Lucifer's Hammer (Comet, Meteor)
A black swan black swan. (a real unknown unknown)
I have pretty much thought the same way for a very long time. I don't think we will ever go "lawless" unless as you say, Mal, that any of those things happen.
I can foresee any of them, but in particular a major, world-wide pandemic on the order of small pox or some other unknown diseases, an asteroid or Yellowstone.
I think there is a better chance of Yellowstone erupting before anything else. However, the chances of getting hit with a dangerous asteroid are pretty high as well. I haven't run the numbers lately, but I think it's 1 in 10,000 for the asteroid. Yellowstone has a 100% chance of occurring again. It's the WHEN will it occur problem.
As I said, I think we're already "In the Revolution" already. But it won't be fought with bullets.
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I would agree with Mal's list but would add to it.
- Large-scale nuclear attack (i.e. multiple cities destroyed, a la Jericho)
- Foreign invasion (goes without saying)
- Collapse of the dollar/economy (if the gubmint cheeze stops flowing, we'll have problems)
- Large scale agitation by the left (if they are able to coordinate significantly and able to seize on a significant political event as an ignition point [e.g. Obama losing or racial rioting])
With the economic collapse and leftist agitation scenarios, I see those being limited to mostly urban areas. I think in those scenarios, any "acting out" by those groups in rural/semi-rural areas would be dealt with quickly enough. Not to mention their already low concentration in those areas to begin with.
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I don't personally see a large scale nuke attack in the next... three years. I can't predict beyond that though. China is preparing for that. I think they WILL use nuclear weapons at some point on the US mainland.
No one would be stupid enough to invade the US, without us having first been nuked.
Money is already falling apart and the Left is already doing large scale "agitation".
LOL
Those Lefties....
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Originally Posted by
Rick Donaldson
My question is "What is your personal, gut feeling on this? Will America have an internal Revolution with in the next ten years?"
Revolution is defied as "a fundamental change in power or organizational structure that takes place in a short period of time".... Also, "A turn around of power".
I don't know what constitutes "a short period of time."
Don't think we'll see a revolution in the definition you posted.
But...this country is headed for Socialism, and Barry O. and Co. are pushing us there hard.
If he wins in 2012, we'll go even farther.
Each time we alternate between a GOP and Dem President, the nation ends up farther left than when we started.
Socialism is coming, and unless we have a fundamental change in our politicians, it will arrive.
The current GOP front runner Perry gave in-state college tuition to illegal immigrants.
WTF?
But most everyone is willing to vote for him.
We have elections, and everyone screams, "you gotta vote GOP to make sure we kick the Dem get out of office. And maybe next year we elect get a true Conservative in office."
Well, after 35 years of voting, I haven't seen a true Conservative get to the WH yet.
Basically, that plan ain't working. What do they say about people that keep doing the same thing, yet expect different results?
An old guy was telling me the other day folks that called themselves Dems back then now call themselves Reps, and the Dems of yesterday are today's Socialists.
Thing is, in my opinion, the majority of voters don't think this nation is headed in the wrong direction (Socialism). That's what the voting results show.
There's no way to know what the folks think that didn't vote.
My opinion is we'll (the GOP, et al.) go down with barely a whimper.
Whaddya gonna do when you're out voted?
As far as riots go, I can see the entitlement class rioting when their gravy train stops because the government ran out of money.
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Ronald Reagan was actually a very Conservative president.
The Old guy was right, my Dad was a "Democrat back then" and he personally hasn't changed political parties, but the party changed in front of him.
He and I have the exact same value system, freedom first, Constitution, Individual liberties. But he was still voting Democrat a few years back (not sure he votes any more or gives a shit now a days).
So far, I pretty much agree with everything I've read from everyone. I can't put a finger on the "exactness" of what will happen, but I think we might push back - but as Backstop puts it, we go further and further left....
why?
Our children are being brainwashed.
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Obama tells blacks to 'stop complainin' and fight
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WASHINGTON (AP) — In a fiery summons to an important voting bloc, President Barack Obama told blacks on Saturday to quit crying and complaining and "put on your marching shoes" to follow him into battle for jobs and opportunity.
And though he didn't say it directly, for a second term, too.
Obama's speech to the annual awards dinner of the Congressional Black Caucus was his answer to increasingly vocal griping from black leaders that he's been giving away too much in talks with Republicans -- and not doing enough to fight black unemployment, which is nearly double the national average at 16.7 percent.
"It gets folks discouraged. I know. I listen to some of y'all," Obama told an audience of some 3,000 in a darkened Washington convention center.
But he said blacks need to have faith in the future -- and understand that the fight won't be won if they don't rally to his side.
"I need your help," Obama said.
The president will need black turnout to match its historic 2008 levels if he's to have a shot at winning a second term, and Saturday's speech was a chance to speak directly to inner-city concerns.
He acknowledged blacks have suffered mightily because of the recession, and are frustrated that the downturn is taking so long to reverse. "So many people are still hurting. So many people are barely hanging on," he said, then added: "And so many people in this city are fighting us every step of the way."
But Obama said blacks know all too well from the civil rights struggle that the fight for what is right is never easy.
"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."
Topping the to-do list, he said, is getting Congress to the pass jobs bill he sent to Capitol Hill two weeks ago.
Obama said the package of payroll tax cuts, business tax breaks and infrastructure spending will benefit 100,000 black-owned businesses and 20 million African-American workers. Republicans have indicated they're open to some of the tax measures -- but oppose his means of paying for it: hiking taxes on top income-earners and big business.
But at times, Obama also sounded like he was discussing his own embattled tenure.
"The future rewards those who press on," He said. "I don't have time to feel sorry for myself. I don't have time to complain. I'm going to press on."
Caucus leaders remain fiercely protective of the nation's first African-American president, but in recent weeks they've been increasingly vocal in their discontent -- especially over black joblessness.
"If Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address this problem, we probably would be marching on the White House," the caucus chairman, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, recently told McClatchy Newspapers.
Like many Democratic lawmakers, caucus members were dismayed by Obama's concessions to the GOP during the summer's talks on raising the government's borrowing limit.
Cleaver famously called the compromise deal a "sugar-coated Satan sandwich."
But Cleaver said his members also are keeping their gripes in check because "nobody wants to do anything that would empower the people who hate the president."
Still, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., caused a stir last month by complaining that Obama's Midwest bus tour had bypassed black districts. She told a largely black audience in Detroit that the caucus is "supportive of the president, but we're getting tired."
Last year, Obama addressed the same dinner and implored blacks to get out the vote in the midterm elections because Republicans were preparing to "turn back the clock."
What followed was a Democratic rout that Obama acknowledged as a "shellacking."
Where blacks had turned out in droves to help elect him in 2008, there was a sharp drop-off two years later.
Some 65 percent of eligible blacks voted in 2008, compared with a 2010 level that polls estimate at between 37 percent and 40 percent. Final census figures for 2010 are not yet available, and it's worth noting off-year elections typically draw far fewer voters.
This year's caucus speech came as Obama began cranking up grass-roots efforts across the Democratic spectrum.
It also fell on the eve of a trip to the West Coast that will combine salesmanship for the jobs plan he sent to Congress this month and re-election fundraising.
Obama was leaving Sunday morning for Seattle, where two money receptions were planned, with two more to follow in the San Francisco area.
On Monday, Obama is holding a town meeting at the California headquarters of LinkedIn, the business networking website, before going on to fundraisers in San Diego and Los Angeles and a visit Tuesday to a Denver-area high school to highlight the school renovation component of the jobs package.
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Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes,
No matter how much Obama tries, 100% of the black vote won't get him the election. Marching to protest what exactly? More government handouts?