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    There can be only ONE!

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    The 18th Century Version of L. Ron Hubbard Convinced the World He Was Immortal

    Esther Inglis-Arkell



    There are two ways to look at the Comte de Saint Germain. One is that he was a brilliant flim-flam artist who lived better by his wits than most people did by either their work or their inherited wealth. The other that he wasn't anything - that he is an immortal alchemist who has continued to show up into the present day.


    If the Comte de Saint Germain is still around, he must be regretting making such a splash in the 1700s. Ever since then, people haven't stopped talking about him, though no one even knows his name. Some say that he was Rákóczi Lipót Lajos György József Antal, a minor prince of Transylvania. Some say he was the illegitimate son of the widow of Charles II of Spain. Some say, no kidding, that he was The Wandering Jew, a legendary figure who made fun of Jesus Christ on the way to the crucifixion and was cursed to walk the Earth forever.
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    If he was the Wandering Jew, he certainly didn't seem to be taking his curse too seriously. He sang, danced, conducted romances, was covered in jewels at all times, and enjoyed a life of luxury. He lived as a rich man, without seeming to have a bank account or source of income. He was fluent in all the major European and Russian court languages, and was familiar with Chinese, Arabic, Greek and Sanskrit. He painted beautifully, played the violin flawlessly, and acted as a court counselor to whatever king he was staying with (although he was arrested for a time in England on suspicion of being a Jacobite spy). He said that he got by because he managed to find the mysterious way to turn other metals into gold. He said he could turn multiple small diamonds into one large one, and remove the flaws from any diamond. Mostly, though, he claimed to be immortal.

    The immortality claims started in France when a countess in the early 1740s said that she had met his father around 1710. He replied that she had met him, not his father, and when she laughed and said that that couldn't be, because the man she had met looked about forty-five, and the man in front of her looked the same age, he replied that he was "very old." Over the next half-century, he claimed to be anywhere between three hundred and nearly two thousand years old - he started the Wandering Jew rumors himself. Casanova, who met him, believed his stories. Madame de Pompadour and Marie Antoinette, who both also met him, seemed to be taken in as well. Even Voltaire, who historians can usually count on to say something dismissive and cutting about anyone, claimed that the Comte was, "a man who never dies, and who knows everything."


    But what actually did he do? And how did he get his money? Although he likely wasn't an alchemist, he was a damn good chemist, and had a lab set up for him everywhere he went. One of the few monetary transactions that we know he made was giving out potions for hair dye and anti-wrinkling. Although we still haven't gotten an anti-wrinkling formula down, hair dye that worked would have been in demand in the 1700s, especially at court. The start of the Comte's fortune was probably made because he had a chemist's ability to come up with beauty aids, and he managed in his claims to longevity, to be his own advertisement for his products. If it made a three-hundred-year-old man look good, surely a cream could take off a few years.


    But beauty chemistry wasn't his only talent. The Comte also had a gift for royal intrigue. He was undoubtedly advising the king of France for years at a time - and there was good money to be made in that. He finally meddled too much in regards to a territorial dispute between Austria and France, and had to move on. From there he went to Russia, and was said to have been instrumental in getting Catherine II the Great on the throne. That probably got him a few year's worth of jewel money, too.
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    In the end, though, he made money off his own legend. Most princes of Europe weren't hoping to meet their maker all that soon, and some joined a cult that the Comte started pretty much around himself. He stayed at their palaces as he traveled around until late 1784, preaching, telling tales, and still advertising his immortality products. In an unusual move for an immortal, he is recorded as having died. The costs of his burial were even set down in a local German church's records. But devotees of the Comte kept saying he was meeting with them secretly over the next few centuries. In 1897, a singer said she had given him a portrait of himself. Helena Blavatsky, the leader of a Theosophical Society and cult of her own, displayed a portrait of them together, taken in the mid-1800s. (He is on the far right.)

    The last person to claim to be the Comte went on television in France in the 1970s and demonstrated turning lead into gold. That man later committed suicide, but the legend lives on. You can find the Comte's texts, and his followers, online to this day. Unfortunately, no one seems to have located the man. It's unlikely that anyone will. Germain seems to have gone underground since the 1700s. If one of our commenters turns out to be the Comte, do be a dear and tell me about that immortality potion, and also how to bring out the red in my hair. You can use a burner account if you like.
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    This is the same guy:

    Count of St. Germain

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    "Count Saint-Germain" redirects here. For other uses of St. Germain see Saint-Germain (disambiguation). Also see St. Germain (Theosophy)

    An engraving of the Count of St Germain by Nicolas Thomas made in 1783, after a painting then owned by the Marquise d'Urfe and now apparently lost.[1] Contained at the Louvre in France [2]


    The Count of St. Germain (born 1712?;[3] died 27 February 1784[4]) has been variously described as a courtier, adventurer, charlatan, inventor, alchemist, pianist, violinist and an amateur composer. He achieved great prominence in European high society of the mid-1700s, and since then various scholars have linked him to mysticism, occultism, secret societies, and various conspiracy theories. Contemporaries referred to him (often ironically) as 'the Wonderman'.[5] Colin Wilson describes him as a charlatan, yet nevertheless possessed of genius.[6] His name has occasionally caused him to be confused with Claude Louis, Comte de Saint-Germain, a noted French general, and Robert-Francois Quesnay de Saint Germain, an active occultist.[7]


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    Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

    Scientist Ray Kurzweil claims humans could become immortal in as little as 20 years' time through nanotechnology and an increased understanding of how the body works.

    The rich could all be cyborgs in the future.







    By Amy Willis

    11:23AM BST 22 Sep 2009





    The 61-year-old American, who has predicted new technologies arriving before, says our understanding of genes and computer technology is accelerating at an incredible rate.



    He says theoretically, at the rate our understanding is increasing, nanotechnologies capable of replacing many of our vital organs could be available in 20 years time.

    Mr Kurzweil adds that although his claims may seem far-fetched, artificial pancreases and neural implants are already available.



    Mr Kurzweil calls his theory the Law of Accelerating Returns. Writing in The Sun, Mr Kurzweil said: "I and many other scientists now believe that in around 20 years we will have the means to reprogramme our bodies' stone-age software so we can halt, then reverse, ageing. Then nanotechnology will let us live for ever.



    "Ultimately, nanobots will replace blood cells and do their work thousands of times more effectively.

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    "Within 25 years we will be able to do an Olympic sprint for 15 minutes without taking a breath, or go scuba-diving for four hours without oxygen.


    "Heart-attack victims – who haven't taken advantage of widely available bionic hearts – will calmly drive to the doctors for a minor operation as their blood bots keep them alive.


    "Nanotechnology will extend our mental capacities to such an extent we will be able to write books within minutes.


    "If we want to go into virtual-reality mode, nanobots will shut down brain signals and take us wherever we want to go. Virtual sex will become commonplace. And in our daily lives, hologram like figures will pop in our brain to explain what is happening.


    "So we can look forward to a world where humans become cyborgs, with artificial limbs and organs."
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    http://www.odditycentral.com/news/russian-scientists-say-immortality-is-just-a-few-years-away.html

    Russia 2045 Claims Immortality Is Just a Few Years Away


    By Spooky on May 23rd, 2012 Category: News, Tech
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    Making the impossible possible is just a matter of time, according to Dmitry Itskov and the people involved in his project, called Russia 2045. It’s by that time they hope to recreate a whole new civilization with the help of android avatars into which to transfer humans’ personalities after their bodies die.
    It sounds a bit far-fetched, I know, but Russia 2045 is a real project, with a team of real scientists working on a way to make us all immortal. It was founded by Dmitry Itskov, a man who’s been doing media projects, especially on the Internet, for the last 12 years. At one point he became interested in the prolongation of life and the idea of immortality through cybernetic technology. Neither a scientist nor a philosopher, he had no idea how to expand on these ideas to attain the ultimate goal of attaining immortality, but he used his skills to create a social movement with the goal of connecting scientists, philosophers,visionaries and public figures to work on this common goal. They’ve already started working on androids, or human avatars, that will soon replace us physically, but carry on our spiritual and intellectual legacy.

    This might sound like sci-fi now, but according to propaganda material from Russia 2045, by the year 2015 humanoid robot avatars will be as popular as cars are today. By 2020, this robotic copy of a human being will be remote-controlled via BCI (Brain Computer Interface), and by 2025 we’ll be able to transfer a person’t brain into one of these avatars, after they die. By 2035 these androids will be so advanced they’ll be able to support a human’s personality as well (Data himself would be jealous), and finally, in 2045, humanity will have created holographic avatars able to carry our legacy beyond the stars and practically render us immortal. I sure hope they’re calculations are correct, because if everything goes well, I’ll still be around in 2045, and I can certainly see myself as a handsome hologram.

    To begin with, scientists from Russia 2045 have presented half of an android that looks like a creepy robotic version of Dmitry Itskov. It has some basic face recognition functions and can move its arms, but the project is clearly in the early stages of development. It can’t even blink yet, but its creators are confident they can get it to walk in a year or two. I have to say this is hardly enough evidence Russia 2045 will reach its goal in due time, but they certainly are very optimistic about it.
    What has the organization accomplished so far, except that half android, you ask? Well, they’ve managed to recruit 5,000 members from different countries, defined various projects and even started working on some, got the support of the Russian Federation Ministry of Education and Science, and most importantly, they got Steven Seagal to write an open later to the Russian Prime Minister inviting him to cooperate. No, it’s not a joke, THE Steven Seagal supports Russia 2045, so there must be something to it. Medvedev/Putin (which one of them is prime minister these days) better lend a hand or they’ll have one of Hollywood’s worst actors to answer to.
    On the Russia 2045 website and in his propaganda materials, Itskov has a way of making everything sound very believable, but I remember those old 50s and 60s shows that predicted moon colonies and flying cars by 2000, so I’m a bit skeptical about all this. But the Russian media professional appears convinced of the success of his pet project. He believes “it is our right to be free and immortal” and says he’s ready to dedicate his entire life to realizing this dream. More power to you, dude, and don’t forget about my hologram avatar!
    We’ve posted three videos by Russia 2045, but you can learn a lot more about their vision and goals, by visiting their official site and reading this particular article.

    Read more at http://www.odditycentral.com/news/ru...PAKM6VLRyUA.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    Immortality only 20 years away says scientist

    Scientist Ray Kurzweil claims humans could become immortal in as little as 20 years' time through nanotechnology and an increased understanding of how the body works.
    I've thought for a while that nanotech is what we'll end up using to "cure" cancer. Radiation, chemotherapy, and surgery are all less than 100% in terms of killing off cancerous cells. All you would have to do is program nanobots with profiles of cancerous cells, populate a body with them, and let them go to work. Almost like programmable white blood cells.

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    As long as we can stay alive until that happens!

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    Oh crap, you mean to say this could go on forever?
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    maybe!
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    20 years from now. I will never get to retire then or I will always be looking for a job lol. If they do this at least put a colony on another planet so it will be interesting working for a life of eternity.

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    I was thinking that this ought to be a goal for our astronaut-explorers. We ought to start building a space ship that CAN travel to another star system. Why not?

    We have technology that will allow us to get there, eventually. Why not start working on longevity drugs and build a space colony aboard a space station that can travel through space?

    It's not as far fetched as everyone seems to want to make it out to be.

    Sure there are a lot of issues to over come, but we have time... right?

    /grin
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