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    Fatties cause global warming

    By BEN JACKSON
    Environment Editor

    Fatties cause global warming



    Published: Today

    THE rising number of fat people was yesterday blamed for global warming.

    Scientists warned that the increase in big-eaters means more food production ó a major cause of CO2 gas emissions warming the planet.

    Overweight people are also more likely to drive, adding to environmental damage.

    Lard help us ... overweight must eat less for planet

    Lard help us ... overweight must eat less for planet

    Dr Phil Edwards, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: ďMoving about in a heavy body is like driving in a gas guzzler.Ē

    Each fat person is said to be responsible for emitting a tonne more of climate-warming carbon dioxide per year than a thin one.

    It means an extra BILLION TONNES of CO2 a year is created, according to World Health Organisation estimates of overweight people.

    The scientists say providing extra grub for them to guzzle adds to carbon emissions that heat up the world, melting polar ice caps, raising sea levels and killing rain forests.

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    The environmental impact of fat humans is made even worse because they are more likely to travel by car ó another major cause of carbon emissions.

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    And researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine say wealthy nations like the US and Britain are getting fatter by the decade.

    Dr Phil Edwards said: ďFood production accounts for about one fifth of greenhouse gases.

    ďWe need to do a lot more to reverse the global trend towards fatness. It is a key factor in the battle to reduce carbon emissions and slow climate change.

    ďIt is time we took account of the amount we are eating.

    ďThis is about over-consumption by the wealthy countries. And the world demand for meat is increasing to match that of Britain and America.

    ďIt is also much easier to get in your car and pick up a pint of milk than to take a walk.Ē

    In peril ... polar ice melting

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    The study by Dr Edwards and colleague Ian Roberts is published in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

    Dr Edwards went on: ďWe are not just pointing the finger at fat people. All populations are getting fatter and it has an impact on the environment.

    ďUK health surveys estimate fatness has increased from an average body mass index of 26 to 27 in the last ten years.

    ďThatís equivalent to about half a stone for every person.Ē

    Anyone with a BMI above 25 is overweight, while more than 30 is obese.

    A staggering 40 per cent of Americans are obese, among 300 million worldwide.

    Disasters

    Australian Professor Paul Zimmet predicted a disastrous obesity pandemic back in 2006.

    And Oxfam warned yesterday that the number of people hit by climate-related disasters will soar by more than half in the next six years to 375million.

    The impact of more storms, floods and droughts could overwhelm aid organisations.

    Sun doctor Carol Cooper said last night: ďIím not sure which came first, people getting fat and driving or the other way around. It is true fat people eat more food than average.

    ďA few obese people have a hormone problem, although most simply donít use enough calories and eat too many. But making them feel guilty antagonises them and may not help.Ē

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    Report: Democrats Refuse to Allow Skeptic to Testify Alongside Gore At Congressional Hearing

    Thursday, April 23, 2009By Marc Morano

    'House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated'

    Washington DC --
    UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, claimed House Democrats have refused to allow him to appear alongside former Vice President Al Gore at high profile global warming hearing on Friday April 24, 2009 at 10am in Washington. Monckton told Climate Depot that the Democrats rescinded his scheduled joint appearance at the House Energy and Commerce hearing on Friday. Monckton said he was informed that he would not be allowed to testify alongside Gore when his plane landed from England Thursday afternoon.


    ďThe House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,Ē Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. ďThey are cowards.Ē

    According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had ďchickened outĒ and there would be no joint appearance. Gore is scheduled to testify on Friday to the Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment's fourth day of hearings on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The hearing will be held in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

    According to Monckton, House Democrats told the Republican committee staff earlier this week that they would be putting forward an unnamed 'celebrity' as their star witness Friday at a multi-panel climate hearing examining the House global warming bill. The 'celebrity' witness turned out to be Gore. Monckton said the GOP replied they would respond to the Democrats 'celebrity' with an unnamed 'celebrity' of their own. But Monckton claims that when the Democrats were told who the GOP witness would be, they refused to allow him to testify alongside Gore.

    ďThe Democrats have a lot to learn about the right of free speech under the US Constitution. Congress Henry Waxman's (D-CA) refusal to expose Al Gore's sci-fi comedy-horror testimony to proper, independent scrutiny by the House minority reeks of naked fear,Ē Monckton said from the airport Thursday evening.

    ďWaxman knows there has been no 'global warming' for at least a decade. Waxman knows there has been seven and a half years' global cooling. Waxman knows that, in the words of the UK High Court judge who condemned Gore's mawkish movie as materially, seriously, serially inaccurate, 'the Armageddon scenario that he depicts is not based on any scientific view,'Ē Monckton explained. Monckton has previously testified before the House Committee in March. (See: Monckton: Have the courage to do nothing...US Congress told climate change is not real ) Monckton has also publicly challenged Gore to a debate. (See: Al Gore Challenged to International TV Debate on Global Warming By Lord Monckton - March 19, 2007 )

    A call to the Democratic office of the House Energy and Commerce Committee seeking comment was not immediately returned Thursday night.

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    Thanks to Al
    One in Three Children Fear Earth Apocalypse

    by Jasmin Malik Chua, Jersey City, USA on 04.20.09

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    There's a new bogeyman lurking in the closet, and this one isn't imaginary. Us. One out of three children aged 6 to 11 fears that Ma Earth won't exist when they grow up, while more than halfó56 percentóworry that the planet will be a blasted heath (or at least a very unpleasant place to live), according to a new survey.

    Commissioned by Habitat Heroes and conducted by Opinion Research, the telephone survey polled a national sample of 500 American preteensó250 males and 250 females.

    On a sliding scale of anxieties, minority kids have it worst; 75 percent of black children and 65 percent of Hispanic children believe that the planet will be irrevocably damaged by the time they reach adulthood.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...nvironment.php

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    That is known as BRAINWASHING.
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    Rick, that requires a brain. These people obviously don't have one.

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    Revealed: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking
    Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

    The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

    Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

    However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

    East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades".

    Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

    "Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.

    The melting of sea ice -- fast ice and pack ice -- does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.

    Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

    Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

    Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

    "Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off -- I'm talking 100km or 200km long -- every 10 or 20 or 50 years."

    Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

    A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

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    Freeman Dyson Takes On The Climate Establishment
    Yale 360 ^ | 6/4/2009 | michael d. lemonick

    On March 3, The New York Times Magazine created a major flap in the climate-change community by running a cover story on the theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson that focused largely on his views of human-induced global warming.

    Basically, he doesnít buy it. The climate models used to forecast what will happen as we continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere are unreliable, Dyson claims, and so, therefore, are the projections. In an interview with Yale Environment 360, his first since the Times article appeared, Dyson contends that since carbon dioxide is good for plants, a warmer planet could be a very good thing. And if CO2 does get to be a problem, Dyson believes we can just do some genetic engineering to create a new species of super-tree that can suck up the excess.

    These sorts of arguments are advanced routinely by climate-change skeptics, and dismissed just as routinely by those who work in the field as clueless at best and deliberately misleading at worst. Dyson is harder to dismiss, though, in part because of his brilliance. Heís on the faculty at the Institute for Advanced Study, where as a young physicist he hobnobbed with Albert Einstein. When Julian Schwinger, Sin-Itiro Tomonaga and Richard Feynman shared the 1965 Nobel Prize in physics for quantum electrodynamics, Dyson was widely acknowledged to be almost equally deserving ó but the Nobel Committee only gives out three prizes for a given discovery.

    Nevertheless, large numbers of climate modelers and others who actually work on climate change ó as Dyson does not ó rolled their collective eyes at assertions they consider appallingly ill-informed. In his interview with Yale Environment 360, Dyson also makes numerous assertions of fact ó from his claim that warming today is largely confined to the Arctic to his contention that human activities are not primarily responsible for rising global temperatures ó that climate scientists say are flat-out wrong.

    Many climate scientists were especially distressed that the Times gave his views such prominence. Even worse, when the profileís author, Nicholas Dawidoff, was asked on NPRís ďOn The MediaĒ whether it mattered if Dyson was right or wrong in his views, Dawidoff answered, ďOh, absolutely not. I donít care what he thinks. I have no investment in what he thinks. Iím just interested in how he thinks and the depth and the singularity of his point of view.Ē

    This is, to put it bluntly, bizarre. It matters a great deal whether heís right or wrong, given that his views have been trumpeted in such a prominent forum with essentially no challenge. So I visited Dyson in his Princeton office in May to probe a little deeper into his views on climate change.

    Yale Environment 360: First of all, was that article substantially accurate about your views?

    Freeman Dyson: Itís difficult to say, ďYesĒ or ďNo.Ē It was reasonably accurate on details, because they did send a fact-checker. So I was able to correct the worst mistakes. But what I could not correct was the general emphasis of the thing. He had his agenda. Obviously he wanted to write a piece about global warming and I was just the instrument for that, and I am not so much interested in global warming. He portrayed me as sort of obsessed with the subject, which I am definitely not. To me it is a very small part of my life. I donít claim to be an expert. I never did. I simply find that a lot of these claims that experts are making are absurd. Not that I know better, but I know a few things. My objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but itís rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have. I think thatís what upsets me.

    e360: So itís a sense you get from the way the argument is conducted that itís not being done in an honest way.

    Dyson: I think the difference between me and most of the experts is that I think I have a much wider view of the whole subject. I was involved in climate studies seriously about 30 years ago. Thatís how I got interested. There was an outfit called the Institute for Energy Analysis at Oak Ridge. I visited Oak Ridge many times, and worked with those people, and I thought they were excellent. And the beauty of it was that it was multi-disciplinary. There were experts not just on hydrodynamics of the atmosphere, which of course is important, but also experts on vegetation, on soil, on trees, and so it was sort of half biological and half physics. And I felt that was a very good balance.

    And there you got a very strong feeling for how uncertain the whole business is, that the five reservoirs of carbon all are in close contact ó the atmosphere, the upper level of the ocean, the land vegetation, the topsoil, and the fossil fuels. They are all about equal in size. They all interact with each other strongly. So you canít understand any of them unless you understand all of them. Essentially that was the conclusion. Itís a problem of very complicated ecology, and to isolate the atmosphere and the ocean just as a hydrodynamics problem makes no sense.

    Thirty years ago, there was a sort of a political split between the Oak Ridge community, which included biology, and people who were doing these fluid dynamics models, which donít include biology. They got the lionís share of money and attention. And since then, this group of pure modeling experts has become dominant.

    I got out of the field then. I didnít like the way it was going. It left me with a bad taste.

    Syukuro Manabe, right here in Princeton, was the first person who did climate models with enhanced carbon dioxide and they were excellent models. And he used to say very firmly that these models are very good tools for understanding climate, but they are not good tools for predicting climate. I think thatís absolutely right. They are models, but they donít pretend to be the real world. They are purely fluid dynamics. You can learn a lot from them, but you cannot learn whatís going to happen 10 years from now.

    Whatís wrong with the models. I mean, I havenít examined them in detail, (but) I know roughly whatís in them. And the basic problem is that in the case of climate, very small structures, like clouds, dominate. And you cannot model them in any realistic way. They are far too small and too diverse.

    So they say, ĎWe represent cloudiness by a parameter,í but I call it a fudge factor. So then you have a formula, which tells you if you have so much cloudiness and so much humidity, and so much temperature, and so much pressure, what will be the result... But if you are using it for a different climate, when you have twice as much carbon dioxide, there is no guarantee that thatís right. There is no way to test it.

    We know that plants do react very strongly to enhanced carbon dioxide. At Oak Ridge, they did lots of experiments with enhanced carbon dioxide and it has a drastic effect on plants because it is the main food source for the plants... So if you change the carbon dioxide drastically by a factor of two, the whole behavior of the plant is different. Anyway, thatís so typical of the things they ignore. They are totally missing the biological side, which is probably more than half of the real system.

    e360: Do you think itís because they donít consider it important, or they just donít know how to model it?

    Dyson: Well, both. I mean itís a fact that they donít know how to model it. And the question is, how does it happen that they end up believing their models? But I have seen that happen in many fields. You sit in front of a computer screen for 10 years and you start to think of your model as being real. It is also true that the whole livelihood of all these people depends on people being scared. Really, just psychologically, it would be very difficult for them to come out and say, ďDonít worry, there isnít a problem.Ē Itís sort of natural, since their whole life depends on it being a problem. I donít say that theyíre dishonest. But I think itís just a normal human reaction. Itís true of the military also. They always magnify the threat. Not because they are dishonest; they really believe that there is a threat and it is their job to take care of it. I think itís the same as the climate community, that they do in a way have a tremendous vested interest in the problem being taken more seriously than it is.

    e360: When I wrote my first story about this in 1987, I had to say this is all theoretical, we havenít actually detected any signal of climate change. Now, people point to all sorts of signals, which are just the sort of things that were being predicted, based in part on the models. They made predictions and theyíve tested the predictions by seeing what happened in the real world, and they seem to be at least in the same direction, and in about the same magnitude, they were predicting. So isnít that a hint that there is something right about the models?

    Dyson: Of course. No doubt that warming is happening. I donít think it is correct to say ďglobal,Ē but certainly warming is happening. I have been to Greenland a year ago and saw it for myself. And thatís where the warming is most extreme. And itís spectacular, no doubt about it. And glaciers are shrinking and so on.

    But, there are all sorts of things that are not said, which decreases my feeling of alarm. First of all, the people in Greenland love it. They tell you itís made their lives a lot easier. They hope it continues. I am not saying none of these consequences are happening. I am just questioning whether they are harmful.

    Thereís a lot made out of the people who died in heat waves. And there is no doubt that we have heat waves and people die. What they donít say is actually five times as many people die of cold in winters as die of heat in summer. And it is also true that more of the warming happens in winter than in summer. So, if anything, itís heavily favorable as far as that goes. It certainly saves more lives in winter than it costs in summer.

    So that kind of argument is never made. And I see a systematic bias in the way things are reported. Anything that looks bad is reported, and anything that looks good is not reported.

    A lot of these things are not anything to do with human activities. Take the shrinking of glaciers, which certainly has been going on for 300 years and has been well documented. So it certainly wasnít due to human activities, most of the time. Thereís been a very strong warming, in fact, ever since the Little Ice Age, which was most intense in the 17th century. That certainly was not due to human activity.

    And the most serious of almost all the problems is the rising sea level. But there again, we have no evidence that this is due to climate change. A good deal of evidence says itís not. I mean, we know that thatís been going on for 12,000 years, and thereís very doubtful arguments as to whatís been happening in the last 50 years and (whether) human activities have been important. Itís not clear whether itís been accelerating or not. But certainly, most of it is not due to human activities. So it would be a shame if weíve made huge efforts to stop global warming and the sea continued to rise. That would be a tragedy. Sea level is a real problem, but we should be attacking it directly and not attacking the wrong problem.

    e360: Another criticism thatís been leveled is that your thoughts and predictions about the climate models are relatively unsophisticated, because you havenít been in close contact with the people who are doing them. But if you sit down and actually talk to the people about what goes into the models today and what they are thinking about and how they think about clouds, you might discover that your assumptions about what they are doing are not correct. Is that plausible? Do you think it might inform you better to actually sit down with these people and find out what they are doing today?

    Dyson: Well, it depends on what you mean by sitting down with people. I do sit down with people. I donít go over their calculations in detail. But I think I understand pretty well the world they live in.

    I guess one thing I donít want to do is to spend all my time arguing this business. I mean, I am not the person to do that. I have two great disadvantages. First of all, I am 85 years old. Obviously, Iím an old fuddy-duddy. So, I have no credibility.

    And, secondly, I am not an expert, and thatís not going to change. I am not going to make myself an expert. What I do think I have is a better judgment, maybe because I have lived a bit longer, and maybe because Iíve done other things. So I am fairly confident about my judgment, and I doubt whether that will change. But I am certainly willing to change my mind about details. And if they find any real evidence that global warming is doing harm, I would be impressed. Thatís the crucial point: I donít see the evidence...

    And why should you imagine that the climate of the 18th century ó what they call the pre-industrial climate ó is somehow the best possible?

    e360: I donít think people actually believe that. I think they believe itís the one during which our modern civilization arose. And that a rapid change to a different set of circumstances wouldnít be worse in a grand sense, but it would be very badly suited to the infrastructure that we have got.

    Dyson: Thatís sort of what I would call part of the propaganda ó to take for granted that any change is bad.

    e360: Itís more that any change is disruptive. You donít think thatís reasonable?

    Dyson: Well, disruptive is not the same as bad. A lot of disruptive things actually are good. Thatís the point. Thereís this sort of mindset that assumes any change is bad. You can call it disruptive or you can call it change. But it doesnít have to be bad.

    e360: One thing is that if the temperature change projections are accurate for the next 100 years, it would be equivalent to the change that took us out of the last Ice Age into the present interglacial period, which is a very dramatic change.

    Dyson: Yes, thatís highly unlikely. But itís possible certainly.

    e360: And the further argument is that this would happen much more quickly than that change happened. So it is hard to imagine that, at least in the short run, it could be anything but highly destructive.

    Dyson: Thereís hidden assumptions there, which I question, that you can describe the climate by a single number. In the case of the Ice Age, that might be true, that it was cold everywhere. The ice was only in the northern regions, but it was also much colder at the equator in the Ice Age.

    Thatís not true of this change in temperature today. The change thatís now going on is very strongly concentrated in the Arctic. In fact in three respects, itís not global, which I think is very important. First of all, it is mainly in the Arctic. Secondly, itís mainly in the winter rather than summer. And thirdly, itís mainly in the night rather than at the daytime. In all three respects, the warming is happening where it is cold, not where it is hot.

    e360: So, the idea is that the parts that are being disrupted are the parts that are inhospitable to begin with?

    Dyson: Mostly. It is not 100 percent. But mostly they are, Greenland being a great example.

    e360: Do you mind being thrust in the limelight of talking about this when it is not your main interest. Youíve suddenly become the poster child for global warming skepticism.

    Dyson: Yes, it is definitely a tactical mistake to use somebody like me for that job, because I am so easily shot down. Iíd much rather the job would be done by somebody who is young and a real expert. But unfortunately, those people donít come forward.

    e360: Are there people who are knowledgeable about this topic who could do the job of pointing out what you see as the flaws?

    Dyson: I am sure there are. But I donít know who they are.

    I have a lot of friends who think the same way I do. But I am sorry to say that most of them are old, and most of them are not experts. My views are very widely shared.

    Anyway, the ideal protagonist I am still looking for. So the answer to your question is, I will do the job if nobody else shows up, but I regard it as a duty rather than as a pleasure.

    e360: Because it is important for you that people not take drastic actions about a problem that you are not convinced exists?

    Dyson: Yes. And I feel very strongly that China and India getting rich is the most important thing thatís going on in the world at present. Thatís a real revolution, that the center of gravity of the whole population of the world would be middle class, and thatís a wonderful thing to happen. It would be a shame if we persuade them to stop that just for the sake of a problem thatís not that serious.

    And Iím happy every time I see that the Chinese and Indians make a strong statement about going ahead with burning coal. Because thatís what it really depends on, is coal. They canít do without coal. We could, but they certainly canít.

    So I think it is very important that they should not be under pressure. Luckily they are, in fact, pretty self-confident; (neither) of those countries pays too much attention to us.

    But thatís my motivation... Anyhow, I think we have probably said enough.
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    'Global warming is baloney' signs put the heat on Burger King
    The Guardian ^ | 6/5/2009 | Leo Hickman A row between the fast food giant Burger King and one of its major franchise owners has erupted over roadside signs proclaiming "global warming is baloney".


    The franchisee, a Memphis-based company called the Mirabile Investment Corporation (MIC) that owns more than 40 Burger Kings across Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi, has described Burger King as acting "kinda like cockroaches" over the controversy. MIC says it does not believe Burger King has the authority to make it take the signs down.


    The dispute began to sizzle last week, when a local newspaper reporter in Memphis, Tennessee, noticed the signs outside two restaurants in the city and contacted the corporation to establish if the message represented its official viewpoint. Burger King's headquarters in Miami said it did not, adding that it had ordered MIC to take the signs down.


    But a few days later readers of the Memphis paper said they had seen about a dozen Burger King restaurants across the state displaying the signs and that some had yet to be taken down. Media attempts to contact MIC to establish why it was taking an apparently defiant stance were rebuffed, but the Guardian managed to grill MIC's marketing president, John McNelis.
    "I would think [Burger King] would run from any form of controversy kinda like cockroaches when the lights get turned on," said Mr McNelis. "I'm not aware of any direction that they gave the franchisee and I don't think they have the authority to do it."


    McNelis added: "The [restaurant] management team can put the message up there if they want to. It is private property and here in the US we do have some rights.

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    Climate Change Reconsidered
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    An important event in the global warming debate occurred this week, with the release of Climate Change Reconsidered, an 880-page book produced by the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change. Climate Change Reconsidered is authored by Dr. Fred Singer and Dr. Craig Idso, with 35 additional contributors. The purpose of the book is to "present an authoritative and detailed rebuttal of the findings of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), on which the Obama Administration and Democrats in Congress rely for their regulatory proposals." You can download it in its entirety at the linked site.

    At the highest level, these are the conclusions of Climate Change Reconsidered:
    The scholarship in this book demonstrates overwhelming scientific support for the position that the warming of the twentieth century was moderate and not unprecedented, that its impact on human health and wildlife was positive, and that carbon dioxide probably is not the driving factor behind climate change. The authors cite thousands of peer-reviewed research papers and books that were ignored by the IPCC, plus additional scientific research that became available after the IPCC's self-imposed deadline of May 2006.
    The book is replete with detailed statistical data and arguments of the sort that global warming alarmists refuse to engage in. It contains far too much data to summarize, but here are the "key findings" in Chapter 3, titled "Observations: Temperature Records."
    * The IPCC claims to find evidence in temperature records that the warming of the twentieth century was "unprecedented" and more rapid than during any previous period in the past 1,300 years. But the evidence it cites, including the "hockey-stick" representation of earth's temperature record by Mann et al., has been discredited and contradicted by many independent scholars.

    * A corrected temperature record shows temperatures around the world were warmer during the Medieval Warm Period of approximately 1,000 years ago than they are today, and have averaged 2-3ļF warmer than today's temperatures over the past 10,000 years.

    * Evidence of a global Medieval Warm Period is extensive and irrefutable. Scientists working with a variety of independent methodologies have found it in proxy records from Africa, Antarctica, the Arctic, Asia, Europe, North America, and South America.

    * The IPCC cites as evidence of modern global warming data from surface-based recording stations yielding a 1905-2005 temperature increase of 0.74ļC +/- 0.18ļC. But this temperature record is known to be positively biased by insufficient corrections for the non-greenhouse-gas-induced urban heat island (UHI) effect. It may be impossible to make proper corrections for this deficiency, as the UHI of even small towns dwarfs any concomitant augmented greenhouse effect that may be present.

    * Highly accurate satellite data, adjusted for orbit drift and other factors, show a much more modest warming trend in the last two decades of the twentieth century and a dramatic decline in the warming trend in the first decade of the twenty-first century.

    * The "fingerprint" or pattern of warming observed in the twentieth century differs from the pattern predicted by global climate models designed to simulate CO2-induced global warming. Evidence reported by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP) is unequivocal: All greenhouse models show an increasing warming trend with altitude in the tropics, peaking around 10 km at roughly twice the surface value. However, the temperature data from balloons give the opposite result: no increasing warming, but rather a slight cooling with altitude.

    * Temperature records in Greenland and other Arctic areas reveal that temperatures reached a maximum around 1930 and have decreased in recent decades. Longer-term studies depict oscillatory cooling since the Climatic Optimum of the mid-Holocene (~9000-5000 years BP), when it was perhaps 2.5ļ C warmer than it is now.

    * The average temperature history of Antarctica provides no evidence of twentieth century warming. While the Antarctic peninsula shows recent warming, several research teams have documented a cooling trend for the interior of the continent since the 1970s.
    If you want to inform yourself about the global warming debate, there is no better place to begin.

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    Hate to say it, but its all bullshit.

    Why?

    It's June here in Colorado. Pikes Peak is STILL covered in several feet of snow.

    The temps here have been chilly to say the least and this week... wet, somewhat rainy, and COLD. It's promising to be in the 40s this week.

    How's that for "Warming".

    Give me a break.
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    This Week in Global Warming

    June 8, 2009 by Paul Zannucci
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    Finding information on the global warming scam that is both interesting and accessible.
    International Conference on Climate Change
    This last week marked the third holding of the annual International Conference on Climate Change, where climate realists from around the globe meet to gnash their teeth over the climate “debate,” which really isn’t a debate any more since the slack-jawed media have shacked up with the change movement.
    Media coverage of the event, needless to say, was essentially non-existent, but you can start your reading at PilotOnline.com with the article Global warming? Not so fast, skeptics say at meeting. The meeting was also covered, to a greater or lesser degree, by the following:
    SmallGovTimes.com, Weather malarkey - full of hot air: Begins with a notice of the conference and of the paper it released and then goes on to describe some of the major problems with the science behind global warming.
    The Washington Times, CITIZEN JOURNALISM: ‘Realists’ challenge claim of consensus on warming: A brief look at the conference and mention of the 800 page report released to counter the IPCC.
    American Thinker, ICCC Three Brings Climate Reality To Washington DC: Using the conference as a launching pad, American Thinker then offers a large and well-written synopsis of much of the climate and sociological debate, including the push for political action coming from the alarmists camp.
    Current Temperature Trends
    Meanwhile, May satellite readings showed a significant decline, yet again, ( h/t to Roy Spencer) in atmospheric temperatures, showing only an anomaly of plus .043 deg. C. If you are having a difficult time picturing how plus .043 is a downward trend, here’s a chart I made for you with May temperatures from this century:

    This is from a single month and only from 2001 on, but this chart actually mirrors the overall trend of the 21st century. Satellite data is only available since 1979, without herculean modeling efforts, and only shows a minimal overall increase. In fact, about one more year of the current trend, and I firmly believe that, by the most accurate methods we have available to us today, the overall trend since 1979 will be slightly downward. More on that to come later.
    Meanwhile, the climate fantasyland is predicting the hottest decade on record, which is neatly sliced apart at IceCap with Romm’s Fairy Tales.
    From the Blogroll
    Slim pickings from the blogroll on AGW last week, but Cheat Seeking Missiles did a good write-up on The Latest Sea Level Hysteria.
    From A Conservative Kid, we get two related posts, How will Cap And Trade affect all of us and what will it cost? and What does “Green” have to do with the automakers?
    AND THE GRAND CHAMPION WINNER!
    From Stop the ACLU, we learn of a liberal policy blog that calls for jailing or executing global warming deniers: A “Progressive” forgets that his hate must be camouflaged
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    Tennessee Burger King Defends Its "Global Warming Is Baloney" Sign
    the business insider ^ Local franchise also slaps at its corporate parent, calling them scared cockroaches.
    The Burger King in Tennesse that says "Global Warming Is Baloney" went on the record to defend itself with Leo Hickman of the Guardian. What followed was "one of the more memorable calls" Hickman's ever had as a journalist.


    The franchise remains defiant, saying, "We're not sheeple around here, and while Barack Obama would like to have you believe that no one is entitled to have a view other than his, if someone wants to stand up and say "Global Warming is Baloney", then I'm all for it."


    If you missed this story, here's a catch-up. Chris Davis, a reporter for the Memphis Flyer, spotted a Burger King blaring "Global Warming Is Baloney" on its sign early last week. When he called the franchise to ask about the sign, the franchise played dumb, saying "I don't see that sir." The reporter told them he had photos of the sign. The franchise didn't know what to say to that, and told him to call Burger King's corporated HQ. Here's the full transcript.


    The absurd story gained traction across the web, moving from the Memphis Flyer to the Guardian to HuffPo, eventually landing on Keith Olbermann's show, where Olbermann included the Burger King franchise, in his "Worst Person Ever" schtick.
    Yet, the parent company of the local franchise, Mirabile Investment Corporation (MIC), wasn't willing to talk with reporters until yesterday, when Leo Hickman of the Guardian got J.J. McNelis, MIC's marketing president, on the phone and asked about the sign.
    Here's an excerpt:


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    Think twice about 'green' transport, say scientists
    AFP via Yahoo ^

    You worry a lot about the environment and do everything you can to reduce your carbon footprint -- the emissions of greenhouse gases that drive dangerous climate change.
    So you always prefer to take the train or the bus rather than a plane, and avoid using a car whenever you can, faithful to the belief that this inflicts less harm to the planet.
    Well, there could be a nasty surprise in store for you, for taking public transport may not be as green as you automatically think, says a new US study.


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    There is so much global warming, parts of MT and WY had 8-10" of snow.

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    It's July 1st. 5 PM Eastern. I'm in the Great Lakes region. It hasn't reached 60 degrees today. Granted it got hot as a steam room last week, but this week it hasn't gotten anywhere near the 80's and 90's seen then. More 'proof'?

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    Sunspots Do Really Affect Weather Patterns, Say Scientists
    A new study in the journal Science by a team of international of researchers led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research have found that the sunspot cycle has a big effect on the earth's weather. The puzzle has been how fluctuations in the sun's energy of about 0.1 percent over the course of the 11-year sunspot cycle could affect the weather? The press release describing the new study explains:

    The team first confirmed a theory that the slight increase in solar energy during the peak production of sunspots is absorbed by stratospheric ozone. The energy warms the air in the stratosphere over the tropics, where sunlight is most intense, while also stimulating the production of additional ozone there that absorbs even more solar energy. Since the stratosphere warms unevenly, with the most pronounced warming occurring at lower latitudes, stratospheric winds are altered and, through a chain of interconnected processes, end up strengthening tropical precipitation.

    At the same time, the increased sunlight at solar maximum causes a slight warming of ocean surface waters across the subtropical Pacific, where Sun-blocking clouds are normally scarce. That small amount of extra heat leads to more evaporation, producing additional water vapor. In turn, the moisture is carried by trade winds to the normally rainy areas of the western tropical Pacific, fueling heavier rains and reinforcing the effects of the stratospheric mechanism.

    The top-down influence of the stratosphere and the bottom-up influence of the ocean work together to intensify this loop and strengthen the trade winds. As more sunshine hits drier areas, these changes reinforce each other, leading to less clouds in the subtropics, allowing even more sunlight to reach the surface, and producing a positive feedback loop that further magnifies the climate response.

    These stratospheric and ocean responses during solar maximum keep the equatorial eastern Pacific even cooler and drier than usual, producing conditions similar to a La Nina event. However, the cooling of about 1-2 degrees Fahrenheit is focused farther east than in a typical La Nina, is only about half as strong, and is associated with different wind patterns in the stratosphere.

    Are these new findings relevant to scientific analyses of man-made global warming? The Christian Science Monitor reports:

    For those wondering how the study bears on global warming, Gerald Meehl, lead author on the study, says that it doesn't – at least not directly....

    Global warming is a long-term trend, Dr. Meehl says in a phone conversation. By contrast, this study attempts to explain the processes behind a periodic occurrence. But, he says, a model finally able to reproduce a complex phenomenon observed in the real world does suggest that our climate models – the same ones we use to predict what will happen to global climate as we ratchet up co2 concentrations – are improving. And that will, inevitably, have an affect on the climate discussion.

    A recent paper in Eos considers the evidence that we could be in for an extended period with few sunspots:

    Why is a lack of sunspot activity interesting? During the period from 1645 to 1715, the Sun entered a period of low activity now known as the Maunder Minimum, when through several 11- year periods the Sun displayed few if any sunspots. Models of the Sun's irradiance suggest that the solar energy input to the Earth decreased during that time and that this change in solar activity could explain the low temperatures recorded in Europe during the Little Ice Age.

    Doesn't the Eos paper suggest that sunspot activity may not just affect weather but climate too?

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    FYI, Global Warming is not dead in the Philippines. Newspapers are full of gloming warming stories to lay partial blame on the devastation that occurred here recently. Of course, the real finger-pointing is aimed at the rampant corruption in the government (expanded to include big business).

    Parts of Manila resemble Venice. It may take months before some of the streets will be dry. But then, these same streets are probably "chewed" up and will remain impassible for vehicluar traffic for months after that.

    What is amazing is that TS Onyon (Philippine designation) was not alll that strong. It just dumped a hell of a lot of water in a very short time.

    Echoes of Katrina: The newspapers here were filled with vociferous complaints frm the victims. "Where was the government?"

    The government could hardly be blamed. (Right!?!) They had only two rubber boats to use for rescue. Helicopters (all three or four of them) did a lot of fly-overs but aside from documenting the disaster did little else. It was several hours later after the storm had subsided that rescue operations began a slow operation.

    We are being "blackmailed" (a too harsh word, I suppose) into helping the hapless neighbors. My daughter basically has to provide food and clothes at her school--or be ostracized.

    I have the feeling that the Global Warming is another way of eliciting help from the world. It is almost an accusing finger at the big polluting nations: the bad weather problems were caused by the callous refusal to take global warming seriously. These bad nations will be responsible for deaths and misery of poorer nations who will suffer (continue suffering?) for the next six years because of the weather. (precipitated from the newspapers I have read and the tone (or voice) used.

    BTW, we have one typhoon striking us in a couple of days, and there are two more TDs following that one.

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    Hahahahahahahahahaha
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    Yesterday's (Friday) Philippine Daily Inquirer had a poignant article on where the "fault" should really lie.

    The title of the article is "Not an act of God but a sin . . . ."

    Quote:

    "The flood disaster that struck Metro Manila over the weekend was not an act of God but a sin of omission by government and private real estate developers, according to urban planner Felino "Jun" Palafox.

    "The green architect said that a land use plan that took floods into consideration was drawn up as far back as 1977, titled 'Metro Manila Transport, Land Use and Development Planning Project,' sponsored by the World Bank."

    End quote.

    Note the date: 1977. That means, thirty-two years ago, the Filipinos already knew that unless they took appropriate action, the 2009 disaster (flooding et al) was inevitable.

    The pundits here in the PI would be quick to tell you that the money that should have been spent on preventing this recent disaster feathered a great many people's nests.

    Incredible? No? Maybe.

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