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    Default Re: DHS Insider: Obama’s cyber warriors & preparing for collapse

    Funny. March is my month too. I've been predicting it. And - so have thousands of others. Maybe it's a group apocalypse syndrome?
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    I don't think its a hive mind collective thought that March is the month. Its the many things expected and those who are intelligent that have such things. Sure, so tin hats will also say it, but the difference is tin hats are not always free thinking.

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    I'm with you. I wasn't suggesting hive mind at all.

    I am suggesting that a lot of us see the end coming... more quickly than even the apocalypse doomers do.
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    Default Re: DHS Insider: Obama’s cyber warriors & preparing for collapse

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Fiord View Post
    I have said before that March is when we will see things start to come to a head and the fuse of anger of so many will be at the zenith of lighting the explosive collective anger. This summer, says the anonymous DoD source. That is perhaps when it is all out civil unrest, but we may look back and see the start as March though the events until then created the issue. I see tension all over and more than is acknowledged said in quietly spoken conversations.

    Why March? That is when much comes down the pike. The so called fiscal cliff, the potential collapse of the dollar and fuel costs going up a lot when war breaks out with Iran. We really should have done more energy development since 2008 as anything started then would be online now.

    The pillaging of the countries resources will commence and some will make enormous fortunes from it.

    If one wants to leave here when this happens, forget it. We would have to sneak out as a reverse of the illegals who sneak in now.


    2014: Too Late to Leave The United States?


    February 1, 2013

    Wendy McElroy, Contributor

    The Ex-PATRIOT Act lies like a coiled snake on a table in the U.S. Senate. The longer title of this unenacted bill from 2012 is the Expatriation Prevention by Abolishing Tax-Related Incentives for Offshore Tenancy Act. Its self-description is,
    A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that persons renouncing citizenship for a substantial tax avoidance purpose shall be subject to tax and withholding on capital gains, to provide that such persons shall not be admissible to the United States, and for other purposes.

    The Ex-PATRIOT Act seeks to impose a perpetual exit tax and a re-entry ban on “specified expatriates.” A specified expat is anyone with a net worth of at least $2 million or a tax liability averaging at least $148,000 over the last 5 years. A renunciation of citizenship would be automatically viewed as a tax dodge. The person would need to prove his innocence to the IRS to become exempt from a permanent and annual 30% tax on all earnings from U.S. investments. The net worth level at which the tax triggered would undoubtedly sink over time and, perhaps, quickly so.

    (Even the Nazis were not so extreme. Until 1941, the third Reich used the Reichsfluchtsteuer (Reich Flight Tax) to charge emigrating Jews a one-time 25 percent exit tax. Schumer wants 30% in perpetuity.)

    The Ex-PATRIOT Act would also ban “former citizens” from U.S. soil unless he received a waiver. The waiver requirements are to be determined at a later date. Current expats have no legal right to return, but they are rarely banned from doing so.

    The Act was introduced in May 2012 by Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), read twice, and referred to the Senate Committee on Finance. It is likely to pass in 2013.


    THE LIKELIHOOD OF PASSAGE

    Reason #1. When the Act emerged from the Democrat-dominated Senate, John Boehner – the Republican leader in the House of Representatives -- was lukewarm. He would back the Act if it was “necessary,” he stated. But he asked, is this really necessary? Since then, the two parties have feuded bitterly over a budget bill, with the Republicans accused of serving millionaires at the expense of America. The mud stuck. Boehner caved; despite a vow to never do so, he allowed taxes on millionaires to rise.

    If he opposes the Ex-PATRIOT Act, Republicans will be excoriated for pandering to jet-set tax evaders. Democrats will chortle with joy. In fact, they have already played the embarrassment card. A co-sponsor of the Act challenged Boehner through a press conference, “Washington needs to work together in a bipartisan manner. I request that you introduce the Ex-PATRIOT Act in the United States House of Representatives and call for an immediate vote on this important legislation.” The political dynamic favors passage of the Act in both the Senate and the House.

    Reason #2. The average trapped American is resentful of expats...and, most especially, rich ones. As long as the rate of expatriation was small, it could be dismissed as an aberration. After all, who would flee from the land of the free? That was something Europeans did. But the annual rate of expatriation has been rising sharply since Obama's first term (2009-2012). In 2008, 231 Americas went through the complex and expensive process of officially leaving. In 2009, 750 left; in 2010, 1534; in 2011, 1782. These are official numbers from the Taxpatriate Lists published by the IRS.

    The real numbers would be much, much higher. Consider a series of Zogby International polls conducted between 2005 to 2007. The polls focused on households, not individuals, and excluded households in which any member went abroad as a part of work for the government or a private company. Zogby found that “1.6 million U.S. households had already determined to relocate abroad; an additional 1.8 million households were seriously considering such a move, while 7.7 million more were 'somewhat seriously' contemplating it.” Zogby concluded, “If the data collected in the seven polls...are fairly representative of the current decade, then, by a modest estimate, at least 3 million U.S. citizens a year are venturing abroad."

    The polls were pre-Obama. If the post-Obama rate of household relocation tracks the Taxpatriate List rate, then household relocation increased more than eight-fold from 2008 to 2011. No one knows the real numbers but the “expat problem” is now too large to ignore.

    [Editor's Note: If you would like to become part of this "problem"...then take this necessary step to free yourself from the increasing burden of belonging to the US...]

    Reason #3. Even if the expat numbers remained small, Eduardo Saverin was a game-changer. On May 11, 2012, a Global Post headline announced, “Eduardo Saverin, Facebook co-founder, to renounce his US citizenship ahead of IPO.” Bloomberg estimated that Saverin might well save $67 million in taxes by renouncing prior to Facebook going public.

    One week later, on May 17, Schumer announced the Ex-PATRIOT Act as a direct response to Saverin's “outrage.” Even Boehner was politically compelled to denounce Saverin. Then Denise Rich – a prominent songwriter, socialite and political fundraiser – went expat for tax advantages. And, now, it is rock legend Tina Turner. The United States cannot permit mega-rich and famous people to make expatriation trendy, especially not for tax reasons.

    Reason #4. The Ex-PATRIOT Act is another in what seems to be an irresistible juggernaut of repression against expatriates and Americans abroad.

    Some of the totalitarian measures are well known, such as the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Others fly under the radar. For example, a provision was buried in an unrelated and 1676-page Transportation Bill entitled “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act” (MAP21). Section 40304 allows the IRS to unilaterally revoke the American passport of anyone it believes "owes" $50,000 or more in taxes. There is no hearing or due process. The IRS can now prevent Americans from fleeing abroad by slamming shut the exit door. And that's that.


    Reason #5. Expats and unobtrusive Americans abroad have no hand. Politicians do not care about exiles who do not vote or about people who expose “America, the beautiful” as a lie. Politicians need to demonize them as being greedy, unpatriotic, and thieving elitists. By accusing expats of their own sins, the politicians create a scapegoat.

    CONCLUSION

    As it is currently written, the Ex-PATRIOT Act would not be retroactive in its tax provisions. But 2013 may be the last year to use the old tax code. If you are thinking about leaving the U.S., then do it NOW! The legislative pipeline in Congress has been clogged during much of 2012. Do not wait until measures like the Ex-PATRIOT Act or another Section 40304 pass the blockade and land directly into your life. 2014 may be too late.

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    See what I mean? Vector dug up the supporting argument to what I had stated. I have known this for some time and have explored ex pat status, but love of country has kept me here. As we continue the decline, I may opt to do this anyway. I feel like that old commercial from the 70's about Keep America Beautiful, except it is not interstate trash I am sad about, but the decline of our once great country. It really does pain me to admit this. I love this country and have pledged myself to it many a time, but this is no longer the country of balance and core rights granted to all men. Due process has been proven dead now as well.

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    They can go fuck themselves. I will go where I want, when I want and I will shoot anyone that tries to stop me.

    Who the fuck do they think they are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Fiord View Post
    See what I mean? Vector dug up the supporting argument to what I had stated. I have known this for some time and have explored ex pat status, but love of country has kept me here. As we continue the decline, I may opt to do this anyway. I feel like that old commercial from the 70's about Keep America Beautiful, except it is not interstate trash I am sad about, but the decline of our once great country. It really does pain me to admit this. I love this country and have pledged myself to it many a time, but this is no longer the country of balance and core rights granted to all men. Due process has been proven dead now as well.

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    And I think that advertisement is exactly emblematic of politics. It's a fake video about a fake problem. Just like everything else we're told by the media.

    It's a fake indian. (the actor was Italian)
    It's fake trash
    road trash is not, was not, and never will be a major health hazard
    By the time the commercial started airing in the 1970s, REAL pollution (industrial waste) was already being addressed and began a decline that continues today.


    I wish it could be remade with the Indian standing on the steps of the capitol building crying over a shredded constitution.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
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    Mal, That is my point too. Have the indian mourn for our former respectable country.

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