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    If we end up with a Present Trump:
    A) First smoking hot First Lady.
    B) It'll be a very entertaining 4 years with a President that un-PC and has little filter between brain and mouth.
    Indeed.

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    He is a negotiator, that's what he does and has made billions from it.

    He finds everyone's interests and negotiates the deal, he's talking a tough conservative at the moment.

    The question is what's up for negotiation in making America great beyond the Republican nomination.

    If elected, I predict he will move to the center on some issues and probably even further on others to cut tougher deals with many.

    When he moves to the left he will be untouchable by the MSM, especially if he finds their weaknesses. They will wait to go after him later in his administration when he loses popularity and they will roast him like they do all who call themselves conservatives.

    In contrast he could get more things done from all sides because he has more tools in his chest than a just a politician playing to a party or special interests to get re-elected which is why congress has like a 15% approval rating.

    Another interesting development is Leftist Geraldo Rivera getting on board with Trump...


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    I think America needs Trump to.... umm.... I'm not sure what he stands for.

    LOL

    If he is the GOP nominee, I'll vote for him.

    I don't want to see Rubio in there, Clinton, Sanders or most of the others.

    I'd RATHER have Carson in there.

    And Cruz.

    Mostly reverse order.

    Cruz, Carson, then Trump, then Rubio.
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    What a debate tonight!

    It was extraordinarily refreshing seeing Trump's past being drug up and presented to the people ranging from hiring illegal aliens to his Trump University fraud.

    At one point Trump was actually changing colors from orange to red and it looked like he was going to stroke out.

    If you didn't watch it, I'll try and find the video so you can.

    I really hope it isn't too little too late though, as a lot of pundits are on air saying now.

    I'll give props to Rubio for being cannon fodder in the fight tonight. Cruz was the one who really schooled Trump this debate though and he did it in classic Cruz form.

    And of course, we have Carson and Kasich on there sucking up valuable airtime and more importantly votes.

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    Full debate video:


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    I'm still a bit confused on why Carson hasn't done better. Why not Allen West? Why doesn't he run?

    Oh well.

    Cruz will get it. I've no doubt now.

    Trump is the Ross Perot of today. That's all he is. He's there trying to stick it to both sides and is... I'll give him that much, everyone hates him haha.

    He can't be all bad (regardless of his back ground, look at Obama's... and Clinton's... in comparison) if he has everyone scrambling. On the other hand, I want Cruz in there badly.
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    You're a lot more optimistic than I am. I just don't think the electorate is smart enough any longer to elect a statesman like Cruz.

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    This is amazing... I thought Trump was the most unhinged this election but Lindsey Graham is surely giving him a run for his money. What an angry, bitter little queen he is.

    Once again, more thanks to South Carolina for not only giving us Donald Trump but also the great Lindsey Graham! You're batting a fucking thousand! Keep up the astounding work jackwagons!

    Lindsey Graham Jokes About How To Get Away With Murdering Ted Cruz

    February 26, 2016

    South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham thinks his party has gone "bats---" crazy, and joked Thursday that it's possible to get away with murdering Ted Cruz if it happened in the Senate.

    "If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you," the former presidential candidate said at the Washington Press Club Foundation's 72nd Congressional Dinner, referencing the Texas senator's unpopular reputation on Capitol Hill.

    CNN has reached out to Cruz's presidential campaign for comment.

    While Graham teased Democrats and other politicians in the room -- at one point turning to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and asking her not leave to leave for the sake of his own party -- he focused his roast on the 2016 election and the GOP field, in which he formerly participated.

    "The most dishonest person in America is a woman who is about to be president, that can get me. My party's gone bats--- crazy," the Palmetto State Republican told the crowd.

    The South Carolina senator acknowledged his own unsuccessful presidential campaign and the concurrent timing of his remarks alongside CNN's Republican debate.

    "This is the largest number of people I've ever talked to during a Republican debate," Graham joked, having mostly appeared at GOP undercard debates.

    Graham continued to mock the rest of the 2016 GOP field going through the remaining candidates. He cited "moderate" Ohio Gov. John Kasich's recent comments about "women leaving their kitchens," "nice guy" Dr. Ben Carson having "tried to kill his cousin," and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio changing his positions.

    "How did I lose to these guys?" Graham asked at one point.

    With businessman Donald Trump, however, Graham shifted to a more serious tone. "I don't think he understands what makes America great."

    "Our party and our country is going to have to up its game. You're going to have to ask him harder questions," Graham urged the reporters in the room. "And I don't mean to turn a funny thing into a serious thing."

    Graham thanked House Speaker Paul Ryan for his efforts in promoting conservativism and told his Democratic colleagues that they aren't his enemy. "We have a lot in common. We just don't realize it."

    He said that Americans live in dangerous times and how he wished that Congress worked more like the military. "What they focus on is the mission. They don't focus on their differences," Graham said. "In my business, we focus way too much on stabbing each other in the back."

    Despite the brief change in tenor, Trump did not escape Graham's humor.

    At the end of the speech, Pelosi handed Graham Trump's signature "Make America Great Again" baseball hat. Graham placed the hat on his head, reminded the crowd of his failed campaign and his endorsement of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's failed campaign, and said, "I endorse Donald Trump and hope that Graham magic still exists."

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    For the record...





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    It's all about the Immigration.

    If we don't control our borders, we won't have any country left.

    Bloomturd was a pretty good mayor. Not as good as Rudy but compared to Deblasio or Dinkins, he's a great mayor.

    Ray Kelly...also a decent Commish. There have been much much worse over the years.

    Obama never speaks for me, so that one is wrong.

    Piers Morgan is an asshole, a leftist gun hater and completely wrong about almost everything. If you get him off political topics, he's entertaining.

    I think the Electoral college coupled with the 17th Amendment probably has been a disaster(Senators elected by popular vote instead of being appointed by the state legislature). It should be one way or another. As it stands, once dems get a majority in Texas, no Republican will ever win the presidency again. Every vote against a commie coming out of everywhere else will be cancelled out by the electoral college. That day will indeed be a disaster.
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    Hate to say it, Ryan, but I wasn't trying to be optimistic,

    I was telling it like I see it. I'm not a person that goes around calling names, unless the name calling is called for.

    Clinton has Benghazi. She is a criminal in my book and so in Obama. Both of them let those men die needlessly.

    Obama is a traitor and has committed Treason against this country and the people by letting in these swarms of illegal aliens in his lame attempt to sway the voter base by bringing in people who will vote for him. Hes not protecting the people. He's not protecting the Constitution, he's usurping the power of the Constitution by negating it.

    Trump is a businessman. Period. He has done well as a businessman. He has failed and he has succeeded. He has all the monopoly money he can use and will get more. He isn't exactly what I'd like to see in a President... But no one will meet or exceed the standards set by Ronald Reagan. Cruz may come close.

    The country is as dumb as a rock if they think Hilary Clinton would make a good President - or for that matter is good at anything including statesmanship.

    The country is FUCKED UP to want Bernie Sanders.

    Ben Carson said it best of all... .@RealBenCarson: "I think many young people today think that socialism is being concerned about social issues...it's a utopian dream..."

    In other words, "Socialism" (and I discussed this with muy 17 yr old granddaughter last night and she absolutely verified this for me, Kids think "Socialism" is being nice to people, it's being helpful to people, Socialism is bringing everyone together and bettering everyone because its about social issues and fixing those social issues.

    So these young people under 30 (again, I verified this with a conversation last night with some attorneys we met with at a pub who were all under 30) have this idea they are helping the world by pushing socialism. Some of the people we had drinks with (they work with my son in the law firm) seem to believe like me... we need a Reagan. The others, seem to think that Sanders is the right guy. Oh, they grasp law and all that, and the Constitution and such but when I quizzed them on it, they seem to think that the Constitution is due for a change and it's coming soon.

    So, Ryan, I wasn't being optimistic as much as I was being pragmatic about this.

    Unless Cruz is nominated to go against Clinton (and I am not even sure Cruz can win against her at this point because they have stacked the election results against us the last two times with Obama's Acorn mess) America is doomed to become a second rate country invaded by foreigners because the gates will swing wide open shortly. I will pack my wife and my guns and head to the South Pacific some place without looking back if that happens. Not because I want to, but because I am one guy against many, all of us are. We're almost outnumbered and out gunned.

    The fight to take America back will be a bloody one and a long one and millions will probably die. I just don't see us wining this in a quick flurry of election then civil war.
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    VIDEO: People Crowd Bluffton, South Carolina Rec Center For Bill Clinton, Marine Thrown Out

    February 27, 2016







    Bill Clinton is in Bluffton, South Carolina to campaign for wife Hillary Clinton. The Democratic South Carolina primary is tomorrow and we’ll have full coverage of today’s event during our news at 5 and 6 p.m. and up-to-date coverage of the primary tomorrow night.

    A Marine was thrown out when asking Pres. Clinton about Benghazi. The crowd was in uproar against the Marine’s passionate position against Hillary’s handling of it. Clinton tried to answer, getting frustrated said, “You listen to me, I’m not your Commander in Chief anymore, but if I was I’d tell you to be more polite” and told him to sit down. He did not demand the man be escorted out, but told him to stay, but deputies approached the man and escorted him out.

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    Republican Sen. Ben Sasse (who has a 92% Conservative Review rating) has said if Trump gets the nomination, he will vote 3rd party.

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    Republican Sen. Ben Sasse (who has a 92% rating from Conservative Review) has said he will vote 3rd party if Trump secures the Republican nomination.


    Sen. Ben Sasse Writes Open Letter to Trump Supporters: ‘I Can’t Support Donald Trump’

    February 29, 2016

    Republican Sen. Ben Sasse (Neb.) has written an open letter to supporters of GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, in which he argued that should Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton become their respective parties’ nominees, he will have to seek a third option for president.




    Sasse previously sparked a Twitter controversy by addressing a series of questions to Trump. The GOP candidate did not answer any of the senator’s questions but fired back by calling him a “gym rat.”

    “I’m not an establishment Republican, and I will never support Hillary Clinton,” he wrote. “I’m a movement conservative who was elected over the objections of the GOP establishment. My current answer for who I would support in a hypothetical matchup between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is: Neither of them.”

    AN OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS To my friends supporting Donald Trump: The Trump coalition is broad and...

    Posted by Ben Sasse on Sunday, February 28, 2016


    “Now, let’s talk about voting,” Sasse continued. “Voting is usually just about choosing the lesser evil of the most viable candidates. ‘Usually…’ But not always. Certain moments are larger. They cause us to explicitly ask: Who are we as a people? What does the way we vote here say about our shared identity? What is actually the president’s job?”

    Sasse added that merely being labeled a “Republican” isn’t sufficient reason to vote for someone.

    “Now, let’s talk about political parties: parties are just tools to enact the things that we believe,” he wrote. “Political parties are not families; they are not religions; they are not nations — they are often not even on the level of sports loyalties. They are just tools. I was not born Republican. I chose this party, for as long as it is useful. If our Party is no longer working for the things we believe in — like defending the sanctity of life, stopping ObamaCare, protecting the Second Amendment, etc. — then people of good conscience should stop supporting that party until it is reformed.”

    Sasse said that neither Trump nor Clinton are good options for president.

    “Given what we know about him today, here’s where I’m at: If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate — a conservative option, a Constitutionalist,” Sasse wrote.

    “I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone,” he added. “After listening to Nebraskans in recent weeks, and talking to a great many people who take oaths seriously, I think many are in the same place. I believe a sizable share of Christians — who regard threats against religious liberty as arguably the greatest crisis of our time — are unwilling to support any candidate who does not make a full-throated defense of the First Amendment a first commitment of their candidacy.”

    “Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power,” Sasse continued. “A presidential candidate who boasts about what he’ll do during his ‘reign’ and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America.”

    Sasse wrote that he believes “many Trump fans are well-meaning,” but “I sincerely hope we select one of the other GOP candidates.”

    “Thank you for listening,” he concluded. “While I recognize that we disagree about how to make America great again, we agree that this should be our goal. We need more people engaged in the civic life of our country — not fewer. I genuinely appreciate how much many of you care about this country, and that you are demanding something different from Washington. I’m going to keep doing the same thing. But I can’t support Donald Trump.”

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    I don't ever remember a Republican candidate, even when liberals like Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney were run, causing such fractures in the party before. And it isn't along conservative/establishment lines.

    Mark Levin just said Trump is essentially running a 3rd party/Ross Perot like campaign within the Republican party.

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    The Emperor Has No Clue…And His Devotees Couldn’t Care Less

    February 28, 2016

    There he was, stripped bare and standing in the middle of the debate stage. Donald Trump was eviscerated in Thursday’s debate. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz took turns pummeling the founder of Trump University with his own words, his own history, and delivering body blow after body blow.

    It was more than enough to convince any thinking person he was not a serious candidate for president. But Trump isn’t your typical presidential candidate. He’s Barack Obama-light, in every sense of the term.

    What does Donald Trump stand for? What will he do if elected? What core conservative principle will he advance?

    If you’re being honest, the answer to each of those questions is you have no idea.

    Don’t feel bad, neither does he.

    That’s not entirely true. He was fairly unambiguous about one thing he’d like to do: change the law so he can sue newspapers. When it comes to solutions to the nation’s problems, Donald Trump is the equivalent of a constitutional dumpster fire; and that’s just fine to his worshipers.

    The day after being embarrassed in front of the world, in part because of the lack of specifics he’s provided as to what he would do as president, Trump held a press conference to get specific – or at least specific-ish – about this proposal. He said:

    “One of the things I’m going to do, and this is going to make it tougher for me…but one of the things I’m going to do if I win…is I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws. So that when the New York Times writes a hit piece, which is a total disgrace, or when the Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected.”

    By the way, the reason “they’re totally protected” right now is the First Amendment, that whole “Congress shall make no law” bit about freedom of the press. But who cares? Right, Trump fans?

    It’s the same stifling of speech outraging conservatives on college campuses; only it’s Trump advancing it. If it’s fascism when a student group proposes it, what is it when a billionaire does?

    His supporters don’t bother with strings of words ending in question marks. Their kryptonite is a simple “How?” or the dreaded “What?”

    What does Donald Trump want to do as president? There is no answer yet articulated that wouldn’t fit nicely on a bumper sticker. He wants to “make American great again,” or “build a wall,” or “destroy ISIS,” etc., etc. How?

    He has no answer. He makes proclamations like a dime store Juan Perón. Only he has no clue how a president must work with Congress to create or change laws. Trump supporters appear content to adopt the Barack Obama model of rule by executive fiat. They don’t mind a despot as long as he’s their despot.

    Trump’s “specifics,” such as they are, about his signature talking point is a wall that grows by 10 feet each time Mexican officials say they won’t pay for it. It’s at least 30 feet higher than when it started, but we’re no closer to learning how it will be paid for. It just will be…apparently.

    Cheerleaders aren’t even bothered by the fact that on his signature issue, immigration, he’s imported workers rather than hire Americans. His claim of it being “impossible” to find Americans to do his jobs is right out of the liberal playbook of “jobs Americans won’t do” for illegal aliens.

    His supporters don’t give a damn about his hypocrisy any more than Hillary Clinton’s, Barack Obama’s or Al Gore’s do.

    They love he’s “self-funding” his campaign because he “can’t be bought.” Do they think that will hold? A general election will cost at least $1 billion. Will Donald Trump mortgage his business on the possibility that, after alienating more than half the GOP, he’ll win?

    He doesn’t have a billion in cash lying around. Since he’s hiding his tax returns, most likely because he’s not nearly as rich as he claims (he’s sued over that before and lost), there’s little chance he’d be able to fund a tenth of a general election campaign.

    He’s gotten this far through free media. Sure, he’s spent a few million once he absolutely had to, but the majority of his exposure comes from the cable networks taking every speech of his live, allowing him to phone in whenever he wants and being willing to broadcast any sycophant wannabe Trump staffer representing him unchallenged. Against Hillary Clinton that ends. He will need money, money he doesn’t have.

    He does have rich friends, and those friends would love to have a friend in the White House. And not because they’d find it “cool” to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.

    When Rubio and Cruz exposed Donald Trump’s inability to explain what he’d do, and how, on any issue beyond his memorized bumper stickers, they did the country a great service. Unfortunately, blinded by anger and hatred, his devotees refuse to see their emperor has no clothes, nor clue.

    There is no issue on which you can find Donald Trump speaking eloquently, passionately, and with any detail that doesn’t involve his poll numbers or his wealth. We have only his word to go on about his wealth, and his word has not always been accurate. That people are willing to believe him, unchallenged, and take offense when others do challenge him, is the mentality that has led to dark places in world history.

    Scapegoating is a powerful weapon of manipulation, and Trump deploys it better than anyone in 80+ years. His followers want to “burn it all down,” so they’re willing to blindly follow a pied piper down a very dangerous path. If they refuse to open their eyes, the dumpster fire they’re franticly cheering will burn them down eventually too.

    PS: I urge you to watch this video, any part of it, and try to spot a coherent or even complete sentence from Trump. It’s the ramblings of a man unhinged and incapable of serious or important discussion of any issue facing the country. It may make you laugh, but does it inspire? Is it remotely presidential?

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    Cruz: Trump Should Ask New York Times To Release 'Secret Tape'

    February 29, 2016

    Ted Cruz seized on a news story Monday claiming The New York Times has an unpublished audio recording of Donald Trump talking off the record about his views on immigration.

    The Texas senator is calling on Trump to authorize the release of the full interview he gave to The New York Times editorial board.

    "I call on Donald, ask The New York Times to release the tape and do so today before the Super Tuesday primaries," Cruz told reporters, referring to the recording as a "secret tape."

    The BuzzFeed report published Monday said Trump's remarks "called into question whether he would stand by his own immigration views."

    The story offers no evidence about what Trump actually said.

    Cruz, speaking to reporters in San Antonio the day before Super Tuesday, repeatedly attacked Trump's record on immigration. The Texas senator said it was in the public interest for the editorial board's recording to be released.

    "Donald Trump's record on immigration is terrible," Cruz said.

    Sen. Marco Rubio echoed Cruz's call for Trump to ask the paper to make the comment's public during a campaign event in Conway, Arkansas.

    CNN has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment.

    New York Times spokeswoman Eileen Murphy says the paper has no further comment.

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    Mark Levin just said Trump is essentially running a 3rd party/Ross Perot like campaign within the Republican party.
    Can't say I disagree. I think the establishments problem is he has no political background putting in his dues and climbing the ladder. He's just jumping in at the highest level.

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    This is rapidly making the rounds. It's 20 minutes long but holy cow!


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    Tonight's results don't seem to be too unexpected. Still pointing to this being a long haul race.

    The liberal northeastern states, no surprise, went to the northeastern liberal Trump. I expected better from the Southern states but I guess they love their WWE presidential candidate.

    Cruz pretty overwhelmingly won Texas and Oklahoma. Thanks for that guys, for not falling for the hype! If Texas secedes, I'll be in the fast lane headed there. I do wish Texas would have given +50% to Cruz so he could have taken all of the delegates but it is what it is.

    Cruz has also had some good, solid 2nd place showings in the states Trump won which is important in the overall delegate count. Except for Virginia... Also good for helping put the pressure on Rubio, who hasn't won a damn thing, that he needs to get out and stop splitting the anti-Trump vote. I don't know how likely that is given the weight of the establishment behind him. I suspect he'll cling on until at least Florida (despite him being 3rd there currently) or possibly the convention.

    Carson and Kasich still in there helping waste anti-Trump votes.

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