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    Starting this thread for items relating directly to the impending global conflict. Items akin to this topic are also found in the various threads devoted to specific countires. This is specific to the region where the war will erupt in the near future.



    http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006..._iranian_a.php

    Iran and its neighbors are preparing for war
    By Olivier Guitta, Counterterrorism blog, 24 May 2006




    Military activity in the Gulf has been increasing tremendously in the past few months. According to British sources, the stock of weapons, missiles and combat planes in the six neighboring countries to Iran is now three times what it was at the onset of the Iraq war in 2003.


    This arsenal is also composed of submarines, destroyers belonging to Iran and also to the international community in the Sea of Oman. An impressive number of offensive and defensive weapons are also deployed in the region. For instance, since March ,Gulf refineries and vital oil installations are protected by batteries of Patriot missiles. Furthermore, according to the Kuwaiti daily Al Seyassah, the US has built a massive stock of oil and could ask the temporary stop of Gulf refineries in order to prevent heavy damage in case of an Iranian attack. Iran has indeed warned Gulf monarchies that their oil facilities would be the first target in case of a US operation on Iranian nuclear facilities.

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    Out of curiosity are we skipping WW3 or was some other conflict already classified that I didn't realize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnetMan
    Out of curiosity are we skipping WW3 or was some other conflict already classified that I didn't realize?
    Magnetman,

    For definition purposes:

    World War III was the so-called Cold War. It erupted immediately following World war II. World War III was anything but cold and included major combat operations of troops East (Godless Communist) vs. West (primarily Judeo-Christian) in the Chinese Civil War (Stalinist Mao Zedong vs. Chinese Nationalist's), the division of Europe, particularly Germany (Berlin Airlift), Korea, Bay of Pigs (Cuba), Vietnam, dozens proxy wars in Africa, South and Central America, Central Asia (Russian invasion of Afghanistan) as well as the Caribbean Sea (Grenada) among others.

    The duration of WWIII was from 1946 up to 1998. With the apparent dissolution of the Soviet Empire a global power vacuum ensued which America and the western allies could never hope to fill. Militant Islam began its current rise amidst the ever simmering Arab-Israeli conflict culminating with the Iranian Revolution of 1978. Skirmishes continued throught the 1980's and 1990's with the final act precipitating a de facto declaration of war occuring on September 11, 2001.

    World War IV began in earnest on that date and has progressed steadily ever since. It has morphed somewhat into a de facto alliance between Islam and the Communist/World Socialist Left in direct confrontation with the Judeo-Christian rest of the world. This is truly a "clash of civilizations" and will terminate only after a global nuclear exchange and global use of biological weapons.

    World War IV is an existential war. This is a war which is most inappropriately tagged as the "Global War On Terror" by the Western leadership for political-economic reasons.
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    Well said Sean. Unfortunately it's a war we can't win the way we're doing things right now. Christianity and Conservatism are both in extreme danger of becoming extinct if things don't change. I'd say we're likely going to see the rocket's red glare on a daily basis in less than ten years time. Probably with foreign troops on our soil. Then the nukes will come. But all of that is only the begining. After the nukes and the bios, we'll begin the nitty gritty part of the war which will be far worse than anything Hollywood can dream up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Baldwin
    Unfortunately it's a war we can't win the way we're doing things right now.
    Until we correctly identify the enemy - yup - there will be no victory for us on this level of existence. This is scene 1, act 1 of the final war.

    Christianity and Conservatism are both in extreme danger of becoming extinct if things don't change.
    At least as how we define them here in the good 'ol US of A.

    However, then again, what part of "the Apocalypse" do I not comprehend?

    ALL things will change, all political structures, the entire world as we know it will be gone, replaced by the Millennial Kingdom of the Messiah. Only His Divine intervention will cut short what would have been total human annihilation.


    I'd say we're likely going to see the rocket's red glare on a daily basis in less than ten years time.
    I give it 5 years from now - maximum - could be less, might very well be less - perhaps as little as two or three years.

    "The ignitor" is flaring up once again as we speak. The ignitor of major combat is to be found on the Israeli-Lebanese border where Iranian forward deployed Hezbollah (part of the IRGC) are attempting to ingite the war that the Iranian mullas so fervently desire.

    Yes, IRAN is the key to the ignition of World War IV - we should have seen this coming as they took our Tehran Embassy in 1979. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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    I don't know that hindsight in this case is anything short of blind. We have known since the late seventies that we'd eventually be in a war with those tools and yet we did nothing. We know they sponsor terrorism openly and we do nothing now. We know they're going to nuke Europe, Israel and the U.S. (if they get the range) and we play games within the U.N.

    Why do we even bother harumphing around politically when we have no intention on doing a damn thing until it is too late? I have to wonder if my children will survive to have 20/20 hindsight when we're basically blind as bats at this point.
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    Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil.... For I am the meanest S.O.B. in the valley.


    "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." - Tony Blair on America



    It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.

    It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

    It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

    -Father Denis O'Brien of the United States Marine Corp.


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    Brian,

    A lot of people around the world, particularly our European allies, do see where we are headed... check this out.


    SPIEGEL ONLINE - May 30, 2006, 02:55 PM


    The Iranian Challenge

    An Apocalyptic Religious Zealot Takes on the World

    Iran's mullah-run theocracy is on a seemingly unstoppable course to becoming a nuclear power. The country's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a pious zealot with a penchant for visions, is doing his best to provoke the West. Faced with a choice between acceptance and intervention, America and Europe have opted for diplomacy -- for now, that is.
    URL: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,418691,00.html

    These cold, calculating Iranian clerics (nutcases by Western standards) want to cause Armageddon.

    The question for our leadership is -- do we give it to them?

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    I'm afraid I believe too few people from both Europe and America understand what is happening right in front of us. I wish I could be as optimistic as you are. (if you can call it that.) I just have a sinking feeling that we've already lost before it's really started. I know this because I combat it daily in the little things in life. Hearing the common people quote liberal media sources as if "its from CBS so it must be true" mentality has taken them. Watching as no one can say what they want anymore because its Politically Incorrect and may offend someone.

    This world has become a place where I'm thought of as a dinosaur because I don't hold the enlighted beliefs of a liberal utopia. Where my very country men cheer at the news of one of our valiant service men dying. I literally "hate" what I see. I've argued with leftists and ignorant people about what is in fact the truth and it certaintly isn't CBS.... Yet I'm scorned and thought of as some kind of baby killer or something. And even though my kids go to fairly conservative school in our area they are still subjected to liberal ideals that have become so common place these days that they're believed to be a fact of life. I tell them something is so and they say their teacher says otherwise. Or the neighbor lady tells them their daddy is dead wrong.

    The other day I quietly told my youngest to quiet down and be still in the checkout line of a grocery store and you'd have thought I had taken a stick and beaten her right there by the looks some of the other mothers and fathers gave me. Though in fairness you could see approval by a few. Very few.

    Last week a guy came to my door with a petition to allow amnesty for the illegals. I refused to sign it simply by saying I don't see it the same way. Nothing more. The guys says... "It's neo-nazis like you that are destroying this country you know." So I replied... "Isn't France missing your retarded ass? How'd you get loose anyway?" He gave me the bird and moved on to the next house.

    With my own countrymen being so vastly left while fewer of us conservatives survive each year how can we expect to win a war? I don't see it. I can't conceive of it. Remember.... Small numbers of brave men like those on this site always make a great last stand. But it's always a last stand.

    I pray that I am wrong. I literally do.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/wo...=1&oref=slogin

    here is a small bit of the article and basically what I'm talking about. I seem to remember another U.S. President trying diplomacy with these zealots.


    WASHINGTON, May 30 — The Bush administration, seeking to enlist Russian support for a United Nations Security Council resolution on Iran, has agreed to language ruling out the immediate threat of military force, American and European officials said Tuesday. Skip to next paragraph Readers’ Opinions Forum: The Middle East
    The American agreement has improved the chances that the Russians will go along with the resolution, European diplomats said. The resolution is to call on Iran to suspend various nuclear activities that are viewed in the West as part of a clandestine weapons program, but that Iran maintains are peaceful in nature.
    Brian Baldwin

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    "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." - Tony Blair on America



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    It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

    It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

    -Father Denis O'Brien of the United States Marine Corp.


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    Brian,

    This one is just for you. I have enlarged the font and printed this out - hangs on the corkboard beside my PC. I agree with Charles Lewis. Remember, all enemies foreign or domestic.

    http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1819&cid=1&sid=19

    What the American Right must do to keep this Presidency from imploding


    Charles Lewis - 5/30/2006

    It finally has reached the saturation point, that critical mass where one would think that to just about anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear it is clear that Bush did lie about Wffice:smarttags" />Miniter, and others whose proof was suppressed by this "Surrogate Democrat" administration.

    Why on Earth, right? By their fruits ye shall know them, especially in high level politics. An apparent "no-WMDs - he lied when he said we found none, lied to protect his bosses in the One World movement - at the UN and elsewhere. Ask David Gaubatz, John Shaw, Richard MD" outcome means saved face and enhanced credibility and potency for the United Nations, and loss of support and political capital for the lace w:st="on">United Stateslace>. And if you really understand the arcane dynamics that have held sway in the upper echelon of the American power structure for generations, you cannot help but conclude that this was the precise intent.

    What W has succeeded in doing (like other Surrogate Democrat Presidents before him, including "Daddy Bush" and "Tricky Dick") is systematically divide and de-energize the conservative base. He has about a third of us turned into "neolibs" - mouthing the same "war for oil, imperialist neocon" rhetoric as Howard Dean, Al Gore, and Michael Moore.

    Another third (the Limbaughs of the world) is willing to follow Dubya off the cliff like the lemmings who followed his dad and Nixon. No matter the nature of the mental gymnastics required to defend whatever lethal absurdity (ChiCom "Freeportgate" being the latest - not to mention the substituting of control of nine of our defense plants to Dubai in place of the now moribund ports deal) he offers, these toadies will find a way to rationalize it out, and in so doing manifest as the buffoons the left wants them to appear.

    That leaves a final third (from Joseph Farah to David Severin to Bill O'Reilly) wondering out loud why Bush has concealed the WMDs and Al Qaeda connections we've found.

    That Bush would in fact conceal such discoveries makes perfect sense in light of the fact that he's the internationalist that he was bred to be, while the hypothesis being advanced by the American left in harmony with such "neolibs" (my term for those erstwhile conservatives suddenly willing to adopt the left's version of things) makes no sense under any reasonable scenario of which I am aware. But the point is W is consistently dividing conservatives into opposing camps and setting the table for the return of the overt Marxist party (whose bidding he has done all along "under the radar") to power.

    Look at how Portgate divided the right and gave the Democrats an opportunity to preen, disingenuously, as the party of national security. And now, just to add injury to insult, Bush turns over our maritime nuclear detection to our biggest enemy.

    Look at how Bush is rolling out the red carpet for criminal Mexicans and Salvadoreans who will get driver's license and motor vote virtually 100% Democratic (without as much an attempt in 6 years of Republican rule to repeal this Clintonista "motor voter" legislation that likely nets the Democrats about 5 million illicit votes per election cycle). Meanwhile he's persecuting true refugees from Cuba (who come from the identical stock that won 2000 for him in Florida) under Clinton's "wet foot, dry foot" policy - capsizing their boats, sending them home (to be tortured to death) even when they land on our soil, and prosecuting brave Americans who help them - as smugglers or murderers.

    [Recent revelations of the tip-offs to lace w:st="on">Mexicolace> on Minutemen locations - along with mandates for Border Patrol agents to refrain from investigating reports from Minutemen of illegal crossing citings - underscore this duplicity more forcefully than ever.]

    But the WMD issue is the most critical issue, the one that has us most confused and divided.

    Let us digress and see if we cannot demonstrate that the Surrogate Democrat hypothesis is an apt one for both Bushes, and for Nixon/Ford. Recall that Nixon was no conservative. He instituted a socialistic wage/price freeze, initiated our racial spoils affirmative action system, abandoned Taiwan and recognized lace w:st="on">Chinalace>, and surrendered southeast Asia to the communists. He was the most liberal president we had had up to that point.

    His lemming's cliff involved sending political hacks to burglarize the office of an opponent he led by 40 points at the time. And most conservative politicos either went down with this pseudo-con's ship or joined the bandwagon of condemning his "rightist" excesses. The net result was major losses in ensuing elections for the conservatism in which Nixon (contrary to the media) never partook.

    All this really should not have been a surprise to those who recognized that Nixon, as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) - as part and parcel of our internationalist "invisible government" - could only have been expected to work against this nation's interests, including handing a "mandate" to the Democrats to wreak their more open brand of havoc.

    By the time GHW Bush later took a similar dive ("Yes, new taxes") it certainly should have come as no surprise. Another CFR member, Daddy Bush had expelled just about all of the true conservative operatives he had inherited from the Reagan Administration, reverted to the Rockefeller school of Republicanism, and sold his conservative base out just about every way possible.

    But again, essentially out of aversion to the "alternative" Democratic Party, whose platform was far more socialist, the conservatives tied their hopes to this pseudo-con, went down hard in the '92 elections, and suffered eight years of Clintonism for their troubles.

    The current administration has eclipsed all records - even adjusted for inflation and population - for "entitlement" ("welfare") spending. The same socialized medicine program that was so radical that Hillary could not get it through a Democratic Congress a decade ago has now become a reality under the "opposition" party, with fully a third of our 300 million "insured" by the government under Medicaid.

    A bi-cameral majority was not enough for Bush to get ANWR drilling through - even with gas prices now positively beyond the reach of a large portion of Americans and with the lace w:st="on">United Stateslace> essentially at war with its primary foreign suppliers. But he spared no amount of arm twisting to ram through CAFTA, which ceded about a third of our sovereignty to Vicente Fox-types.

    From day 1 the pattern was set and adhered to. An unprecedentedly socialistic farm bill was followed by the abolition of the 1st Amendment via "campaign finance reform," the lynx hair slap-on-the-wrist, the case of a non-endangered Tucson area owl off-limiting 1.2 billion acres, approval of maintaining the Feinstein-Schumer misnamed "assault rifle" ban, the breaking of a campaign promise to reverse Clinton's draconian National Monuments Executive Order; the retention - with disastrous results - of notorious Clintonistas like Norman Mineta, Joe Wilson, and George Tenet, the Patriot Act (which set the table for future Democratic abuses, and which would be far easier to accept as useful if the administration were demonstrating the slightest concern about border security), the cave-in on University of Michigan preferences, his abolition of restrictions on supercomputer sales to China, his 4/18/01 approval of Clinton's measure destroying doctor-patient privacy, the pass given to Clinton's spy Sandy Berger, the "guest worker" amnesty, ad infinitum.

    Even more telling have been W's policies regarding the UN's takeover of our sovereignty. He has gotten us back in UNESCO, implemented the UN's One World agenda in classrooms throughout the country via the national curriculum inherent in No Child Left Behind, aggressively promoted ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty, offered no criticism of the Supreme Court's eminent domain decision (an imposition of principles of the UN's Agenda 21 "Sustainable Development" tyranny), and carried the ball for the World Health Organization, in terms of his plan to test all Americans for "mental illness."

    Of particular interest, Rep. Ron Paul's proposed amendment to the last of these initiatives that would have at least required parental consent in the case of the testing of children (an amendment that the administration opposed) was roundly defeated. Republicans did so by a 55%-45% margin, while, out of about 200 Democrats, only one supported the amendment. This may be the first time in history that the opposition party sided with a president by a much wider margin than his own party.

    On the eve of the Iraq invasion, I listened as Larry Klayman and Tom Fitton's Judicial Watch program exposed the systematic suppressing of the research of one Jayna Davis (The Third Terrorist), which proved that the Oklahoma City bombing was essentially the work of Iraqis (with Nichols and McVeigh thrown in as "lily whites"). This suppression occurred first with the Clinton Administration, which wanted to do anything it could to pin whatever it could on "conservative" forces within the country, and the lengths to which Mrs. Davis showed that that administration had gone were unspeakably scandalous and corrupt.

    But the revelation that struck me most was that the Bush Administration - with everything to gain (from a virtual death blow to the credibility of its rival party to justification for the then-impending invasion) - rather than helping disseminate this bombshell, had stonewalled it every bit as much as the Democrats had. Even the staunch support of lead impeachment counsel David Schippers had failed to yield the slightest attention.

    This made no sense in the context of the two-parties-at-each-others'-throats model. But it made perfect sense under the one party (Democrat policy supported by Surrogate Democrats masquerading as "Republicans") model I knew to be true. I was moved to call the show and predict that we would find WMDs and not reveal that we had found them.

    You see, at this point it was our credibility against that of the United Nations, whose "inspectors" had assured us there were no such naughty weapons. Knowing Bush's allegiance to that body's designs on our sovereignty, freedoms, and prosperity, I could not see him showing them up by finding WMDs and Al Qaeda links and such and being up front about having found them.

    Such revelations would have destroyed so much of the UN's credibility here that it would have set back its takeover plans by many years. On the other hand, if we could be the ones to lose credibility, well, I do not have to speculate on the consequences - we have witnessed the political devastation, both at home and abroad, that this has created. Especially within the conservative movement itself.

    [More recently, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher - a supposedly staunch conservative Republican - announced hearings on a combination of Jayna Davis's huge volume of highly vetted revelations and a thoroughly debunked theory - mirroring the campaign of Clintonista lies that pulled that president out of unprecedentedly low performance ratings and carried him to victory in '96 - alleging involvement of the hard right. Incredibly, according to Mrs. Davis Rorhrabacher is calling only a token two of the 20+ key witnesses she lined up, failed to pass on a list of suggested questions for the FBI that she has prepared at his request, and instead is concentrating on the "vast right wing conspiracy" theory]

    The first weeks of the war only reinforced my convictions. Twelve servicemen who uncovered one site took sick, with symptoms typical for chemical exposure. The illnesses of these troops was immediately passed off as "battle fatigue." What a coincidence that this should happen on a 12-for-12 basis so early in the conflict. No less left-wing an outfit than NPR then reported our finding missiles "ready to go" armed with warheads initially testing positive for chemicals. This report was immediately shut up via a designation (according to the Washington Times) of "classified." We heard nothing more.

    In the bowels of a site previously "inspected" by Hans Blix's motley crew, we found radiation "off the scale." Rumsfeld's reaction to a spate of reports that included the above incidents, as you may recall, was an extremely curious, "All first reports are wrong." Not "some first reports aren't entirely accurate," but all of them are always wrong. Sure enough everything turned out ostensibly false. Funny Rummy should have known in advance they all would be wrong, and funny that we even look if we know in advance we'll always come up dry.

    A later barrel find (based on a tip by locals) tested positive twice in the field for Sarin and mustard gas, yet never made it to the various labs for final testing. One of our "experts" curiously chose the hours after the two positive pre-tests to pooh-pooh the findings and predict that the stuff was rocket fuel, which it "sho nuff" "turned out to be" - to the preclusion of laboratory testing. In "reaction," the administration promised not to divulge any further positive preliminary results - we had heard the last from this administration on WMDs in lace w:st="on">Iraqlace>. Chalk one up for the UN.

    Funny how "conservatives" who are so willing to swallow whole the Marxist line about the Bushites' designs on conquering the planet for the lace w:st="on">USAlace> seem so oblivious to the obvious. Is it possible that a cadre so unscrupulous, so willing to fabricate the justification for going in in the first place would not be willing to take the easy step of planting WMDs to perpetuate the ruse?

    Little by little, some major figures began to notice the truth - that the administration was going out of its way to downplay important, smoking-gun-level discoveries. Bill O'Reilly verbalized how he could not fathom the Bushites' silence on Salman Pak, where we found a half-buried airliner, complete with manuals on how to hijack one and use it as a weapon.

    On the eve of the '04 elections, John Loftus, perhaps the most knowledgeable American on Middle Eastern intrigues, revealed that Libya - apparently spooked by the fate of Saddam and the Taliban, and in 'fessing up to its own WMD projects - had revealed that Iraq's entire nuclear program had undergone an eleventh hour transfer to Libya, personnel and all. Loftus, a Democrat, at that point predicted that this coup would sweep Bush home in those '04 elections.

    One waited for the party to emphasize this as, if nothing more, an "October surprise." It never happened. But the country was not quite ready to elect a candidate with a thirty-five year history of open communist collaboration, lying, and hatred and disdain toward lace w:st="on">Americalace>. The Republican Party - complete with its charging entourage of "RINOs" that constitute the vast majority of at least its Senate retinue, won in spite of its best efforts not to.

    Later the highly credible Richard Miniter, in Misinformation, catalogued large amounts of chemical/biological weapons we had uncovered - finds the administration had never bothered to tell us about. This prompted Joseph Farah's WorldNetDaily to exclaim, in headlines, "Why doesn't Bush just say it?"

    Then the solid evidence of cover-up began to emerge. David Gaubatz, formerly of the Army's Office of Special Investigations, told of his experiences in Nasirah, Iraq, where he saw convincing evidence that flooded tunnel sites, sealed off with five-foot concrete walls, were indeed the depositories of chemical and biological weapons that local informants said they were. He now recounts his frustration at being stonewalled by the Iraq Survey Group, and by both the David Kay and Charles Duelfer WMD panels, in spite of months of pleading by himself and other agents.

    Next, at the Intelligence Summit this February, Pentagon operative John Shaw told of how he and others had uncovered hard evidence that the Russians had systematically removed (to lace w:st="on">Syrialace> and elsewhere) huge amounts of WMDs in the run-up to the war. Once again the chilling part was not that this had happened, but that the lace w:st="on">USlace> government had gone to great lengths to see to it hat this did not come out. This, of course, dovetails completely with some of the stories of former Iraqi General Georges Sada, whose allegations, likewise, have drawn not the slightest comment from the administration.

    Among those privy to these stories (so adeptly kept from general consumption by the mainstream media) all this is so plain now that some Bush apologists are taking it as a given and inventing bizarre alibis for the suppression of these stories. The best they seem to be able to do is claim that the finds would implicate Russia, France, and Germany (as they almost assuredly would), and that administration does not want to alienate these countries, as it is looking for their help in an upcoming lace w:st="on">Iranlace> campaign.

    These explanations simply do not pass the imbecility test. How much more obligated these deceitful governments would be if we exposed their real motives for opposing the lace w:st="on">Iraqlace> invasion, and exposed these nations for the high stakes colluders with Saddam that they were! And the metamorphosis in public opinion that would occur at these revelations would far more than make up for any reticence on the part of this trio. It would likely turn the coming midterms around and, to at least some significant degree, stanch the present flow of venom against us worldwide.

    There is no alternative but to take what we know about conspiracies and kingmakers and follow it to its logical consequences. Most of us have long since known that there are no real choices at the national level between the two parties. That the agenda both follow is basically the overt Marxism of the open policies of the Democrats. That Republican opposition to this is essentially token, and that, in fact, the GOP is able to institute certain facets that the Democrats could never get away with introducing, given the critical eye of conservative opinion (including, tragically, that of large segments of the "religious right") tends to not be focused anywhere near as much on Republicans.

    The logical conclusion is that a Republican administration like the current one would never do anything to score a knockout punch for pro-American conservatism, and can only be expected to self destruct on cue, just as former ones have. It's so simple as to be inescapable.

    What we cannot do is allow this president to get us accepting precepts (or mouthing the rhetoric) of the left. Once we have done that, his mission, in my humble opinion, is accomplished.

    Let's get a few things straight before we on the right lose all notion of common principles and self-destruct just the way those who want to divide and conquer us wish:

    1. Bush's squishy illegal immigration policy is not a "ploy for votes." First, voters of all persuasions (particularly Republicans and Independents) oppose amnesty schemes like his (not to mention his refusal to either accept Congress's mandate to increase border manpower or allow the military to patrol the frontier) - by wide margins.

    But beyond that, Bush has to know that the more non-Cuban Latinos he lets slip in, the more ground his party will lose to its leftwing opponents - especially in the absence of Motor Voter repeal. A reasonable hypothesis, then, is that he wants to lose that ground; the fact that he has shut off the (pro-Republican) Cuban faucet, coupled with his behavior vis a vis Portgate, Freeportgate, and WMD-find suppression (not to mention the curious self destruction of antecedents like Bush I and Nixon) make this hypothesis seem far from far fetched. And in light of what we have long known about the secret societies that control world politics, it is downright plausible.

    2. The term, "military industrial complex" is not a synonym for the international banking cartel that has been engineering owr doom for so long. Neolibs cite Eisenhower's cautionary reference during his administration, but Eisenhower was a CFR member who did not even call himself a conservative, a Rockefeller Republican very much along Nixon/Bush lines, and thus not anyone who would ever reveal the true nature of what goes on behind the scenes.

    Besides, our military is and has long been hamstrung, gayed, feminized, demonized, sensitivity trained, forced to fight the UN's battles and even wear its insignias; our industry is mostly outsourced or foreign owned, practically dead in the water. "Military industrial complex" is jargon of the Marxist left, designed to help destroy our economic infrastructure and disarm us. It is not a term that is interchangeable with the many accurate (and sufficient) ones we have long had at our disposal: invisible government, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, and so on.

    3. It is not "corporate America" that deserves our bashing, but multinationals, including traitorous American-based corporations who have armed the likes of lace w:st="on">Chinalace>, with a pass and perks from whatever party's administration happens to be in power. "Corporate lace w:st="on">Americalace>" is a leftist slur depicting capitalism as evil.

    4. We are not "imperialists." "Imperialist" is a Marxist anti-American term. We're the victims of a one world takeover (imperialism, if you will), not the perpetrators of expansionism. It is amazing how neolibs no longer condemn the still very active communist imperialism (China, Russia, North Korea, Latin America, elsewhere) or Islamist imperialism (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, others) - only our own supposed quest to spread the American system worldwide (would that this were the extent of our worries).

    5. These Republican traitors are not "neocons." Cindy Sheehan and her Hugo Chavez-admiring ilk love this supposedly derogatory term. "Neocons" simply means "new conservatives," something we certainly could use a lot more of, especially the fully informed sort. Rather, what we are dealing with (and have been for years) are pseudocons - imitation conservatives.

    6. We should not be talking about "globalists," even though this particular term is not especially inaccurate. The rowdy professional demonstrators of the anti-capitalist far left - the kind that love to riot and tear up cities where the G8 meets - are fond of this term. Not that the G8 is up to any good, but neither are these thugs, and we do not need to be either associated or confused with them. Not when we have tried and true, unambiguous terms these degenerates would never use in any critical contexts - terms like "internationalists," and "one worlders."

    7. lace w:st="on">Iraqlace> is no "war for oil." If W cared about oil for American companies, he would have railroaded through ANWR as he railroaded through CAFTA, and gas would not be $3 or so a gallon with no end in site to the carnage. Iraq - as it is being carefully contorted - is a war for the humiliation of lace w:st="on">Americalace>, a war for the destruction of our credibility, a war to strengthen the UN's grip on us.

    The deposing (and, yes, disarming) of Saddam and the enfranchisement of his formerly oppressed people, the incredible acts of heroism and goodwill of our incomparable troops are then seen, ironically, to be collateral (and, yes, beneficial) effects of a much larger campaign to bring us to our knees.

    Every time we use the above rhetoric of the left instead of the perfectly adequate conservative Constitutionalist terms I offer there as substitutes, we are raising the hackles of numerous patriots who otherwise might be marching shoulder to shoulder with us. If American conservatives and Constitutionalists can see things in such a context they can heal their internal differences and become the type of united force that is so desperately needed at this point in our threatened nation's history.

    The bottom line is (a) Don't defend this administration. You won't if you keep in mind that the evidence tells us that's what they want us to do - so that 70%+ of the population (per the latest polls) thinks we're boobs at best. (b) Don't join the leftwing chorus against the administration either. If you realize that this, too, delights the movers and shakers of this administration (who are only too happy to do what they were hired to do and drive us to the left with their antics - so that the left gains yet another "mandate," this one tantamount to our national demise) you can hold steady on this one, too. We need our own anti-administration chorus - this one based on the truth, that there are Democrats, and then again there are Surrogate Democrats.



    Charles Lewis is a published author with nine textbooks about to be released by Beacon University Press.



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    The problem I see is that Bush rubber stamps outrageous pork and frankly is an open borders amnesty advocate. Eff that, let it implode. It's no different than we'd have if John Effin Kerry would have won.

    The senate is trying to Jam Shamnesty down our throats, just read what Jeff Sessions, R-ALA has to say about it here. http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15165

    Peter King said today that the Immigration bill is dead, that's a good sign.

    If Bush wanted to stop the implosion, Militarize the border tomorrow. If Mexico screams, tell them we're only doing as they do on their southern border. The difference is that our soldiers don't rape and rob the immigrants.
    Next, dig through the drawer and find that dusty Veto stamp that Bush has never used and start using it.

    That will halt the implosion. Then Bush can start working towards reversing it with genuine immigration reform, with genuine spending cuts, with genuine policy reform on gov't handouts and social largesse. If he's unwilling to do either of the above, eff him.

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    I agree.

    But nobody is gonna hold their breath that Bush will find his cujones or veto stamp.

    Tom Tancredo for President.

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    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148482085564&pagename=JPost%2FJP


    May. 31, 2006 23:45 | Updated Jun. 1, 2006 9:09

    Exclusive: Begin on eve of Osirak raid


    By JERUSALEM POST STAFF



    On the 25th anniversary of the Israel Air Force's devastating raid to wipe
    out Saddam Hussein's nuclear plant at Osirak, prime minister Menachem
    Begin's adviser has detailed the shocked and initially displeased American
    reaction to the strike, and Begin's vehement justification of it as an
    unparalleled act of self-defense.

    Writing in today's Jerusalem Post, Yehuda Avner, a veteran diplomat who
    served on the staffs of five prime ministers, describes the atmosphere at
    Begin's residence, on the eve of Shavuot 1981, as the prime minister waited
    anxiously to hear how the raid was proceeding.

    While the planes were en route, Avner recalls, Begin handed him the summary
    of the Mossad's psychological portrait of Saddam, "and when I read the
    opening paragraph my heart thumped against my rib cage. It said: 'Saddam
    Hussein is a hard-headed megalomaniac, cunning, sophisticated and cruel. He
    is willing to take high risks and drastic action to realize his ambition for
    self-aggrandizement. His possession and use of a nuclear weapon will enable
    him to threaten and strike Israel and, thereby, win supremacy over the Arab
    world. He is prepared to act at an early opportunity, even in the awareness
    that retaliation might follow.'"

    While Avner was reading this, Begin was "prowling the room, head down, face
    grim, arms behind his back, his lips moving imperceptibly in the manner of
    one muttering Tehillim - Psalms."

    As the waiting continued, Avner writes, Begin also bitterly castigated
    Shimon Peres, the opposition leader, for having written to him a few weeks
    earlier "to ask me to desist from taking action. Hoss gehert aza meisa?
    [Yiddish for 'Have you heard of such a thing?']," Begin stormed, according
    to Avner.

    When word finally came through that the target had been hit and destroyed in
    less than 90 seconds, Begin praised God and phoned the US ambassador, Sam
    Lewis.

    "I have to tell you in all honesty that I suspect some people in the White
    House will be pretty furious about this," said a shocked Lewis. "Your
    weaponry was procured from us under the Arms Export Act, for purposes of
    self-defense only."

    "Self-defense?" Begin retorted. "What greater act of self-defense could
    there be than to demolish Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction,
    designed to bring Israel to its knees, kill our people, vaporize our
    infrastructure - in a word to destroy our nation, our country, our
    existence? Over these past months I've told you again and again, Sam, that
    either the US does something to stop that reactor, or we will have to."

    Stressing the resonance and relevance of the Osirak strike given the current
    international crisis over Iran's nuclear program, Avner notes that Begin, at
    the end of a cabinet communique he issued shortly before Shavuot began that
    evening, vowed that Israel would never allow "an enemy to develop weapons of
    mass destruction against our people" and would take "whatever preemptive
    measures are necessary to defend the citizens of Israel."

    ('When Armageddon loomed,' by Yehuda Avner, UpFront, Page 4)

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    The only thing I disagree with here is the actual defination of "World War III"

    I believe we are currently in the midst of WWIII. The war on Terrorism, since so many people are fighting against it, and fighting against US in the war on Terrorism.

    Therefore, I think we are IN it now, rather than being in it during the Cold War. Then again... perhaps Sean is right.
    Libertatem Prius!


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