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    Default Surplus Humvees Now Being Sold!

    It's been a long time coming!


    Hummers Unleashed!

    December 5, 2014


    On December 17, 2014, the first publicly auctioned sale of surplus HMMWVs since 1999, will take place through the online rolling stock surplus sale site, GovPlanet.com

    For years, one iconic military vehicle has been notably absent in the surplus stream: The AM General High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV, pronounced “HUM-vee”). Known to generations as the “Hummer,” very few of the military 1-1/4-ton trucks have slipped into private ownership. That is all about to change.

    Since AM General began supplying the US military with HMMWVs in 1984, more than 300,000 have been delivered to governments of more than 60 nations. During Gulf Wars I and II, the vehicle became as iconic to U.S. military forces as the Jeep had been to WWII and Korean War veterans. And yet, the private sale of retired vehicles to U.S. citizens was not possible.

    While plenty of theories abound as to why HMMWVs were not sold through government surplus disposition like so many vehicles before it, AM General stuck by a statement posted on their web site:

    The Humvee was designed for a military mission and was not designed to meet civilian safety standards. AM General does not endorse nor support the sale of these military vehicles to the general public or private entities. AM General further opposes any use of these military vehicles by individuals or entities outside of the military context for which the vehicles are designed. AM General does not sell the military vehicle or service parts for the military vehicle to the general public.

    It should be noted that AM General began marketing a civilian version of the truck in 1992. Branded the “Hummer,” the civilian version was very similar to the military model, except for having better noise insulation, more comfortable seats, 12-volt wiring, and creature comfort options like air conditioning, stereo, theft alarms, and chrome wheels. The new Hummers hit the market with a sticker price of around $80,000 and a projected worldwide distribution of 1,000 units per year. At about $80 million projected revenue, AM General certainly had an interest to block the sale of surplus vehicles. Whatever the reason, the Department of Defense( DoD) prohibited the sale of HMMWVs.

    Despite repeated requests from the public to release the vehicles into the surplus stream, only a few had been made legally available for private purchase in the last 30 years of production. A few had been furnished to civilian contractors for DoD-related activities like cleaning up hazardous waste sites. When the contract was completed, the contractors often sold these vehicles to private individuals. More recently, HMMWVs have been distributed to local governments and schools as part of a wide disposal of military surplus, weapons, and vehicles. These, as of yet, have not entered private hands.

    The only significant release was in 1999. The previous year, the U.S. Marine Corps placed 748 HMMWVs (mostly 1986 and 1987 M998s) into storage, in an attempt to run its procurement process as efficiently as possible. The vehicles, in the Corps’ view, were beyond the 12-year service life and were in need of new electronics. Rather than refurbish the vehicles, the Corps decided to get rid of them. They earmarked 200 for conversion to right-hand drive for the New Zealand Army, 50 were “set aside” for collectors (an arrangement made with the auction company, not with the Marines!), and the other 498 were to be auctioned.

    The auction of those vehicles was open only to dealers. More than 300 of the former USMC HMMWV’s were sold in a special event at the Atlanta, Georgia, Burns Brothers Mannheim Auction on August 11, 1999. The vehicles were sold with Form MV-907A Salvage Titles. The receipts from this sale were clearly marked, “Off-Road Only.” A second batch of about 150 were sold through Mannheim’s California location before AM General caught wind of the sale. Too late, though, the “genie was out of the bottle” and HMMWVs were in the collector stream.

    They couldn’t get the USMC HMMWVs back, but they could stop the sale of any more vehicles. AM General increased its efforts to suppress sales of surplus HMMWVs. A now widely-circulated letter written by AM General’ General Counsel, John D. LaDue in March 2000, to the Director of Connecticut’s DMV, states:

    AM General Corporation, manufacturer of the M998 Series High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV or HUMVEE), does not endorse or support the sale of these vehicles to the general public or private entities. AM General further opposes any use of these military vehicles by individuals or entities outside of the military context for which they were designed…This vehicle does not comply will all FMVSS requirements for commercial automobiles and was not intended for commercial use on public roads or highways.

    As a result of this posturing, very few HMMWVs entered private hands between 2000 and 2014, though a few snuck into the stream through GSA sales that were later “deaccessioned.” No HMMWVs were sold directly to private individuals through surplus channels during this period.

    A CHANGE OF HEART

    In 2014, rumors began to circulate that Defense Logistics Agency (DLA – the group currently supervising the release of surplus military material) was considering the release of HMMWVs. Soon after IronPlanet took over the sales of surplus rolling stock, the rumors intensified. Finally, in early November, during a meeting between DLA officials and IronPlanet executives (during which, copies of Military Vehicles Magazine were passed around!), the DLA confirmed the release of Humvees. The DLA has stated that this change is a matter of stewardship. More organizations will be able to acquire these types of already-paid-for off road vehicles to put to use in their communities. And the potential for sale of remaining stocks can increase the revenue the Defense Logistics Agency uses to offset the cost of military logistics. In a statement issued on December 4, IronPlanet announced through its military rolling stock-specific website, GovPlanet.com:

    Buyers can start viewing and bidding on used High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs), or Humvees, for sale during the Dec. 17 online auction.

    Randy Berry, senior vice president of operations and services for parent company IronPlanet, added, “We will be offering military Humvees of various model years and configurations all backed by the industry’s only guaranteed inspection reports.”

    The Humvees featured on GovPlanet.com only include cargo and troop carriers with model numbers M998, M998A1, M1038, and M1038A1. All are “soft-sided” (unarmored). Just like the vehicles sold back in 1999, these carry the notice of “off-road use only.”

    So, December 17, will be an historic day—the day when private individuals can legally buy surplus HMMWVs. Bear in mind, however, it won’t be without a few pitfalls. Remember, these are being sold with “OFF-ROAD USE ONLY” on the bill of sale. This may cause some problems when the new owners attempt to license the vehicles. This will vary from state to state. Know your state’s requirements before you bid.

    Regardless of any licensing issues, the hobby will truly benefit from this infusion of HMMWVs into collectors hands. There are a couple of generations of veterans who proudly served while driving these vehicles. Finally, they will have the opportunity to commemorate their service behind the wheel of vehicles that they drove as young soldiers, just as WWII and Korean War vets were able to do with GPWs, MBs, M38s, and M38A1s, and Vietnam and Cold War vets with M151s.

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    Default Re: Surplus Humvees Now Being Sold!

    Here are the first of the listings...

    http://www.govplanet.com/jsp/s/searc...=0&sm=0&c=3468

    Hopefully someday these will be as cheap as the CUCVs are now.

    If they get down that low I will definitely be picking one up.

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    Surplus Humvee Auctions To Public A First For DoD

    December 12, 2014

    What in the world is the U.S. military going to do with all of its surplus Humvees? For the first time, it will auction off as many as 4,000 of the workhorse vehicles for sale to the public, instead of scrapping them.

    Even as controversy churns over the Pentagon's transfer of military equipment to local civilian police departments, the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) sent the first batch to auction through IronPlanet's GovPlanet.com. Since bidding started at $10,000 a couple of weeks ago, pent up demand has yielded bids on nearly all of the Humvees — selling for off-road use only.

    "We definitely see lots of interest, and we're certainly excited to have the opportunity to sell these," said Randy Berry, IronPlanet's senior vice president for operations and services. "These items have been scrapped up to now ... so it's a win for the taxpayers and everybody involved here."

    Sitting on a dusty lot at Hill Air Force Base in Utah are 25 Humvees built between 1987 and the mid-1990s, some with visible wear and patchy camouflage paint jobs, and whose odometer readings range from 1,361 to 38,334. The public will have the chance to bid on them in a live online action on Dec. 17 and take home a Humvee that once served as a troop or cargo carrier.

    DLA will have some 4,000 Humvees considered surplus inspected for defects — and so long as they're not taken or have military characteristics, like armor — they will be offered to IronPlanet. Before the restrictions had been lifted, they might have been scrapped.

    "We know that there are thousands going through the screening process now, and some will be claimed by states and local governments, and anything not claimed will go through for public sale, through our marketplace," Berry said. "We expect to have a steady stream of those available over time."

    AM General, which has manufactured more than 300,000 Humvees since the Army adopted them in 1985, has made no secret of its opposition to the sale of military Humvees to the general public — which had heretofore been restricted by the government.

    The company's website says it sells parts or service information only to its military customers, and not for vehicles that "wind up in civilian hands." AM General "opposes any use of these military vehicles by individuals or entities outside of the military context for which the vehicles are designed."

    The surplus sales could be viewed as competition for the company, which manufactured the civilian "Hummer" from 1992 to 2010, and debuted a civilian "Humvee C-Series" kit in 2013 for the base price of $60,000, without a power train.

    Restrictions on the M908, M908A1, M1038, and M1038A1 model Humvees — which are out of military use — were lifted by the US State and Commerce departments in the last year or so, clearing the way for DLA. Beyond the military, surplus Humvees had only been available to fire and police departments in the 1033 program, the one facing widespread criticism and congressional scrutiny of late over the militarization of local law enforcement.

    "With cooperation from other government offices, DLA Disposition Services can now make some military vehicles into assets instead of having to send them to be scrapped," DLA public affairs chief Michelle McCaskill said in an emailed response to questions about the Humvee auctions.

    In July, DLA awarded IronPlanet a two-year contract to manage and sell DLA's rolling stock surplus assets, valued at $50-$70 million annually, with a bid equal to 75.29 percent of revenue share to the DLA. (Liquidity Services, Inc., filed a protest that was since denied.)

    IronPlanet has since held three auctions from the stock, which includes cargo trucks, tractor trucks, utility trailers, forklifts, construction equipment. After the holidays, it plans to continue weekly auctions for the items, some including the Humvees, which are at more than 60 military sites around the country.

    "You can bid any time prior to the auction itself," Berry said. "We structure ours like events, with all these items selling today, and then a live format, where instead of the auction just concluding anonymously, you get to watch all the items selling."

    Winners must pay within three days, sign an agreement indemnifying IronPlanet and arrange for transportation, as the vehicles are not considered roadworthy. IronPlanet helpfully offers detailed inspection reports, with photos, and referrals to transport companies.

    "We anticipate there are plenty of interested bidders out there," Berry said, "and plenty of off-road uses for these vehicles."

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    Default Re: Surplus Humvees Now Being Sold!

    Hmmm...its catching on Ryan.


    Now's Your Chance to Buy a Real Humvee From Uncle Sam
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    By Timothy Dahl
    Sep 16, 2016

    As the military phases out the iconic Humvee, it is left with a surplus of these go-anywhere four-wheel drive vehicles that have been the backbone of the U.S. infantry for more than 30 years. Before this year they've been tough to come by for civilians. But now's your chance to own your own personal Humvee straight from Uncle Sam.

    To buy a Humvee you need to start by visiting Gov Planet. It is the official website that has the authority to auction the Humvee and various other military vehicles. The bid process is straightforward, and auctions start at $4,000 for stripped down Humvees to $35,000 for fully operational badass trucks. You'll be required to get an "End Use Certificate" that states you will not take the vehicle overseas.

    Some of these Humvees are listed as off-road only, which means they aren't street-legal and don't have the hardware to pass emissions or any type of DMV inspection. In fact, even if you do buy a Humvee that is sold as street-legal, the laws regarding vehicle registration and plates for military vehicles and Humvees vary from state to state. A writer from Jalopnik went through the process of registering his Humvee and found that it's usually not impossible, but you may have to jump through a lot of hoops.

    In addition to Humvees you can purchase all types of military construction vehicles, generators, excavators, cranes, and forklifts, from Gov Planet. But we've got our eye on this LMTV which would make a heck of an overlanding vehicle.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...-grade-humvee/

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    And with a little work, it can look as good as mine.



    With the cooler weather coming up, I'm just about done with work on it for the year. Only things left are going to be wheels and tires and getting the soft top/doors painted this week. I'm just too worn out with all the work I've done to get the whole exterior painted this year. Will have to do that in the Spring.

    I know I badly need to update my thread with all of the work.


    As they point out in the article, they've got all sorts of cool stuff for sale. My friend Steve that owns the LGS I frequent is building a new facility with range and recently bought an M923 5 ton truck for advertising and other use. About 2 weeks ago, one of his employees and I took my HMMWV and went to go pick it up from near Wright-Patt AFB. Took some pics of the Gov Planet yard while I was there! They had a couple HEMTTs, an interesting open top MTV, and several HMMWVs.

    Steve's 5 ton next to a HEMTT:



    There was another HEMTT nearby:



    And an interesting open cab MTV:





    Parked next to the MTV was a pretty clean helmet top HMMWV with X-doors:






    A couple other pics of the yard including a panoramic:








    My HMMWV with Steve's 5 ton at a gas station on the trip back. Yeah, it's big...



    For anyone unfamiliar with the 5 tons, that really gives a perspective on size! In the 5 ton, you actually sit eye level with the tops of semi truck driver's cabs!




    My HMMWV bringing up the rear:


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