Scenarios of a nuclear war

[Sean Osborne]

... you submit to this Protestantism which is rampant today within the Novus Ordo Church.

I will not post here anymore

Honza,

With your persistent posting of divisive and accusatory nonsense your self imposed ban to "not post here anymore" is a very good thing, a very wise course of action.

The fascistic comment I quote from you above is the final straw in my opinion and I will seek your removal from posting to the Religion forum of the General Discussion group of forums based upon persistent ignoring of the following Site TOS:

1) You agree, through your use of the Trans-Asian Axis, that you will not use this Bulletin Board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, ... hateful...

12) Arguing with the Moderators and Administrators "your stance" on these rules, is against the rules, ESPECIALLY in public.

17) You do NOT have "Freedom of Speech" without the proper application of "Responsibility of Speech". YOU are responsible for what you say, and the resulting consequences.

19) Treat each other, other users and staff members as you expect to be treated – with respect (treat them badly and expect to be treated badly in return!). With these infractions of the TOS duly cited, I will now lock this thread pending further review of the totally objectionable and specifically offensive material you have repeatedly and intentionally directed at non-Catholic forum members.

[Sean Osborne]

I have edited all offensive commenatry that I could find from this thread.

This thread will go back on its original topic of discussion or it will be locked permanently.

Carry on...

[Zjeng]

Honza, if you wish, we can discuss outside of this forum. Lemme know.

†

[American Patriot]

I sure would haved liked the original SUBJECT matter to have remained ON TOPIC in the first place, when it was originally posted in the other forum. It would have been NICE to have not drifted immediately into the "religious aspects" of nuclear war scenarios.

But, with that I will say this. EVERY religion has a right to exist in the US. NO religion has a RIGHT to tell me how to act or behave, and anyone who stands and tells me I'm doomed or "damned" because I don't follow THEIR religion IS DEAD WRONG... and when a religion tries to FORCE someone to do their bidding, I will fight against that TYRANNY just as I would any political tyranny.

So.. honza and those of you who want to "push" your religion on me and others, get the hell off your high horse. 'K?

[vector7]

If a nuclear bomb explodes nearby, here's why you should never, ever get in a car

Dave Mosher
May 25, 2017, 6:55 AM



ShutterstockAn illustration of a nuclear blast in a city.

• Nuclear blasts create fallout, which can harm you with large doses of radiation.
• Cars offer little protection from fallout.
• A surer way to survive in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion is to go indoors, stay put, and listen to the radio.

The first thing you’d see if a nuclear bomb exploded nearby is a flood of light so bright, you may think the sun blew up.

Wincing from temporary blindness, you’d scan the horizon and see an orange fireball. The gurgling flames would rise and darken into purple-hued column of black smoke, which would turn in on itself. As a toadstool-like mushroom took shape, the deafening shock front of the blast would rip through the area — and possibly knock you off your feet.

Congratulations! In this hypothetical scenario, you’ve just survived a nuclear blast with an energy output of about 10 kilotons (20 million pounds) of TNT. That’s roughly 66% of energy released by either atom bomb dropped on Japan in 1945.

This scenario may sound far-fetched, but more than 14,900 nuclear weapons exist in the world, and kiloton-class nukes (like the one we just described) are now proliferating in favour of larger weapons. In fact, a 10-kiloton-or-less nuclear detonation by a terrorist is the first of 15 disaster scenarios that the US government has planned for.

No one could fault you for panicking after the sight and roar of a nuclear blast. But there is one thing you should never do, according to Brooke Buddemeier, a health physicist and radiation expert at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

“Don’t get in your car,” he tells Business Insider — don’t try to drive, and don’t assume that the glass and metal of a vehicle can protect you.

Why vehicles and nuclear survival don’t mix



Public domainThe paint of a bus is vaporized during a Cold War nuclear test blast.

Avoiding driving after a nuclear blast is wise because streets would probably be full of erratic drivers, accidents, and debris. But Buddemeier says there’s another important reason to ditch the car: a fearsome after-effect of nuclear blasts called fallout.

Fallout is a complex mixture of fission products, or radioisotopes, that are created by splitting atoms. Many of the fission products decay rapidly and emit gamma radiation, an invisible yet highly energetic form of light. Exposure to too much of this radiation in a short time can damage the body’s cells and its ability to fix itself — a condition called acute radiation sickness.

“It also affects the immune system and the your ability to fight infections,” Buddemeier says.

Only very dense and thick materials, like many feet of dirt or inches of lead, can reliably stop the fallout.

“The fireball from a 10-kiloton explosion is so hot, it actually shoots up into the atmosphere at over 100 miles per hour,” Buddemeier says. “These fission products mix in with the dirt and debris that’s drawn up into the atmosphere from the fireball.”

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Trapped in sand, dirt, cement, metal, and anything else in the immediate blast area, the gamma-shooting fission products can fly more than five miles into the air. The larger pieces drop back down, while lighter particles can be carried by the wind before raining over distant areas.

“Close in to the [blast] site, they may be a bit larger than golf-ball-size, but really what we’re talking about are things like salt- or sand-size particles,” Buddemeier says. “It’s the penetrating gamma radiation coming off of those particles that’s the hazard.”

Which brings us back to why a car is a terrible place to take shelter.

“Modern vehicles are made of glass and very light metals, and they offer almost no protection,” he says. “You’re just going to sit on a road some place [and be exposed].”

Buddemeier says he’s asked people what their knee-jerk response to a nuclear blast might be. It wasn’t comforting.

“There was actually a lot of folks who had this notion — and it may be a Hollywood notion — of ‘oh, jump in the car and try to skedaddle out of town if you see a mushroom cloud.'” he says.

However, fallout is carried by high-altitude winds that are “often booking along at 100 miles per hour,” he says, and “often not going in the same direction as the ground-level winds. So your ability to know where the fallout’s gonna go, and outrun it, are… Well, it’s very unlikely.”

What you should do instead of driving



Lawrence Livermore National LaboratoryThe protection factor that various buildings, and locations within them, offer from the radioactive fallout of a nuclear blast. The higher the number, the greater the protection.

Your best shot at survival after a nuclear disaster is to get into some sort of “robust structure” as quickly as possible and stay there, Buddemeier says. He’s a fan of the mantra “go in, stay in, tune in”.

“Get inside … and get to the center of that building. If you happen to have access to below-ground areas, getting below-ground is great,” he says. “Stay in: 12 to 24 hours.”

The reason to wait is that levels of gamma and other radiation fall off exponentially after a nuclear blast as “hot” radioisotopes decay into more stable atoms and pose less of a danger. This slowly shrinks the dangerous fallout zone — the area where high-altitude winds have dropped fission products. (Instead of staying put, however, a recent study also suggested that moving to seek out a stronger shelter or basement may not be a bad idea if the only one around is flimsy.)



Bruce Buddemeier/Lawrence Livermore National LaboratoryDangerous radioactive fallout zones shrink rapidly after a nuclear explosion.

Finally, tune in.

“Try to use whatever communication tools you have,” he says. He added that a hand-cranked radio is a good object to keep at work and home, since emergency providers, in addition to broadcasting instructions, will be tracking the fallout cloud and trying to broadcast where any safe corridors for escape are located.

There is only one exception to the “no cars” rule, says Buddemeier: If you’re in a parking garage with your car, the concrete might act as a shield. In that case, you could stay there and listen to a radio inside your car.

If everyone followed these guidelines after nuclear blast, he says, hundreds of thousands of lives could be saved.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/s...lter-cars-2017

[American Patriot]

Except... you might be trying to get away from the area, and walking is worse. Staying put with no food and water will be as lethal as the radiation.

Also note that MOVING away from a blast zone increases your chances of surviving, and fallout, while deadly, won't remain on your car when you're moving. It's when you STOP and let it settle on your car that it gets dangerous.