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    Britain Hits Back At Russia As G8 Tension Escalates
    Tensions between Tony Blair and Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, over human rights and energy security surfaced yesterday as the Prime Minister prepared to fly out to this weekend's G8 summit in St Petersburg.

    Downing Street offered a robust response after Mr Putin criticised Anthony Brenton, Britain's ambassador to Moscow, for interfering in Russia's "internal" affairs by attending an opposition conference.

    The Prime Minister's spokesman said that Mr Brenton had made clear he was not attempting to intervene in domestic Russian politics.

    Asked if Mr Blair had worries about human rights in Putin's Russia, he added: "We have concerns and we have voiced those concerns and expressed concerns about certain aspects of the media."

    The spokesman said Mr Blair would raise the issue again in St Petersburg, stressing that Mr Putin had put a discussion about Russia on the summit agenda.

    There were also conflicting messages from London and Moscow on the crucial issue of energy security, which is top of Mr Putin's agenda this weekend, when he will host his first summit of the world's most powerful economies.

    There is growing concern in Number 10 that the decline in North Sea oil reserves over the next couple of decades will leave Britain dangerously dependent on imported gas from Russia.

    The Government responded with an energy review earlier this week that spelt out plans for a new generation of nuclear power stations and an expansion of renewables, including wind, wave and tidal power, to help close the energy gap.

    However, a senior Russian official voiced unease about such an approach earlier this week. He argued that Mr Putin believed energy security needed to be built on "interdependence", an approach in which Britain and other EU countries would rely increasingly on Russian gas.

    The official criticised those who argued that true energy security depended on each country trying to produce more of its own energy. "Independence means people will behave egotistically," he argued.

    However, the Prime Minister's spokesman defended Britain's stance. Asked about the Russian argument on interdependence, he said: "I do not think it's surprising that a supplier wants to maximise supply. But it's not surprising that countries like ourselves look at it from our national interest."

    He added that relying on gas would lead to an increase in carbon emissions and worsen global warming. "Part of the reason for nuclear being part of the energy mix is also to do with climate change," he said.

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    I don't trust Tony Blair, he had several people with questionable background in his administration and so again, seems to me that these tensions could only play into Russia's hands as far as brainwashing the citizens of Russia into giving aid when the war comes - this way Russian "formerly" KGB, GRU and communist criminals in power can claim that the West has started to blaim Russia and that it is all America's and Britain's fault.

    This can be the best propaganda stunt the Russian commies have ever put on, and like I said, when we take into account how Tony Blair is disarming Britain over the years [friend of Clinton etc.], and how the MI6 is no match and is not telling anything substantial about Russia to the World, that Blair is only helping by this Russia to create this scheme - and it may be that it might not even be coincidental..... I simply don't know why he was silent about so many violations and bad deeds of Russia for so many years and now, when the time is ripe for a conflict [as the Russians want to create one so the Russian people follow these "nationalist zealots" into the war against the American and British capitalists], that Tony Blair would "all of a sudden" raise his voice and attack.......

    He was the one signing the disastrous energy deal with Russia in the first place, putting Britain into a dangerous situation - and when Russians tested the scheme by "cutting off" Ukraine from Russian "formerly" communist natural gas, Britain and western Europe were faced with energy difficulties - temporary ones, that is true, but when the conflict is real, what they will do then ?

    And Blair didn't see this ?

    And now he is "becoming smart" all of a sudden ????

    I don't trust the man and for a good reason.

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    I believe the G8 Summit is going to be a major event in which Russia will be singled out for its support of Syria and Iran.

    Russia will asked to join with the west in this war - or suffer the immediate consequence of being rejected for WTO membership. The US will pull the plug on our support for Russia's membership, and that will be the end of it.

    The outcome : Russia will side with the Trans-Asian Axis. This summit will serve to make it "official".
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    Russia has already been singled out. Intelligence sources already KNOW.... It's just going to be made public soon enough.

    Honza, even with your religious remarks where they don't belong, I agree with you to some degree, we.. that is the US, is being put into a tight little noose, and it is getting pulled tighter.
    Sooner or later, we're going to have get froggy and jump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson
    Russia has already been singled out. Intelligence sources already KNOW.... It's just going to be made public soon enough.
    Exactly.

    What's more is that there are many American's and Canadians - quite a few post on Free Republic - who still believe Russia is a democratic ally of the US.

    Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson
    Russia has already been singled out. Intelligence sources already KNOW.... It's just going to be made public soon enough.

    Honza, even with your religious remarks where they don't belong, I agree with you to some degree, we.. that is the US, is being put into a tight little noose, and it is getting pulled tighter.
    Sooner or later, we're going to have get froggy and jump.
    Dear Rick,
    if I was in any position of influence I wouldn't spare energy to tell the truth about communists and condemn anybody who would dare to deal with them in any way.

    That also belongs to the question of religion because as Catholics we know about Our Lady of Fatima warning about Russia, and we've had Popes telling us not to trust communists.

    One of the best enclyclicals very much worth to read is Divini Redemptoris of Pius XI on Atheistic Communism.


    ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM MARCH 19, 1937

    9. The doctrine of modern Communism, which is often concealed under the most seductive trappings, is in substance based on the principles of dialectical and historical materialism previously advocated by Marx, of which the theoricians of bolshevism claim to possess the only genuine interpretation. According to this doctrine there is in the world only one reality, matter, the blind forces of which evolve into plant, animal and man.

    Even human society is nothing but a phenomenon and form of matter, evolving in the same way. By a law of inexorable necessity and through a perpetual conflict of forces, matter moves towards the final synthesis of a classless society. In such a doctrine, as is evident, there is no room for the idea of God; there is no difference between matter and spirit, between soul and body; there is neither survival of the soul after death nor any hope in a future life. Insisting on the dialectical aspect of their materialism, the Communists claim that the conflict which carries the world towards its final synthesis can be accelerated by man. Hence they endeavor to sharpen the antagonisms which arise between the various classes of society. Thus the class struggle with its consequent violent hate and destruction takes on the aspects of a crusade for the progress of humanity. On the other hand, all other forces whatever, as long as they resist such systematic violence, must be annihilated as hostile to the human race.

    10. Communism, moreover, strips man of his liberty, robs human personality of all its dignity, and removes all the moral restraints that check the eruptions of blind impulse. There is no recognition of any right of the individual in his relations to the collectivity; no natural right is accorded to human personality, which is a mere cog-wheel in the Communist system.

    In man's relations with other individuals, besides, Communists hold the principle of absolute equality, rejecting all hierarchy and divinely-constituted authority, including the authority of parents. What men call authority and subordination is derived from the community as its first and only font. Nor is the individual granted any property rights over material goods or the means of production, for inasmuch as these are the source of further wealth, their possession would give one man power over another. Precisely on this score, all forms of private property must be eradicated, for they are at the origin of all economic enslavement.

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    12. What would be the condition of a human society based on such materialistic tenets? It would be a collectivity with no other hierarchy than that of the economic system. It would have only one mission: the production of material things by means of collective labor, so that the goods of this world might be enjoyed in a paradise where each would
    "give according to his powers" and would "receive according to his needs."

    Communism recognizes in the collectivity the right, or rather, unlimited discretion, to draft individuals for the labor of the collectivity with no regard for their personal welfare; so that even violence could be legitimately exercised to dragoon the recalcitrant against their wills. In the Communistic commonwealth morality and law would be nothing but a derivation of the existing economic order, purely earthly in origin and unstable in character. In a word. the Communists claim to inaugurate a new era and a new civilization which is the result of blind evolutionary forces culminating in a humanity without God.

    13. When all men have finally acquired the collectivist mentality in this Utopia of a really classless society, the political State, which is now conceived by Communists merely as the instrument by which the proletariat is oppressed by the capitalists, will have lost all reason for its existence and will "wither away." However, until that happy consummation is realized, the State and the powers of the State furnish Communism with the most efficacious and most extensive means for the achievement of its goal.

    14. Such, Venerable Brethren, is the new gospel which bolshevistic and atheistic Communism offers the world as the glad tidings of deliverance and salvation! It is a system full of errors and sophisms. It is in opposition both to reason and to Divine Revelation. It subverts the social order, because it means the destruction of its foundations; because it ignores the true origin and purpose of the State; because it denies the rights, dignity and liberty of human personality.

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    19. Meanwhile the sorry effects of this propaganda are before our eyes. Where Communism has been able to assert its power -- and here We are thinking with special affection of the people of Russia and Mexico -- it has striven by every possible means, as its champions openly boast, to destroy Christian civilization and the Christian religion by banishing every remembrance of them from the hearts of men, especially of the young. Bishops and priests were exiled, condemned to forced labor, shot and done to death in inhuman fashion; laymen suspected of defending their religion were vexed, persecuted, dragged off to trial and thrown into prison.
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    30. Man cannot be exempted from his divinely-imposed obligations toward civil society, and the representatives of authority have the right to coerce him when he refuses without reason to do his duty. Society, on the other hand, cannot defraud man of his God-granted rights, the most important of which We have indicated above. Nor can society systematically void these rights by making their use impossible. It is therefore according to the dictates of reason that ultimately all material things should be ordained to man as a person, that through his mediation they may find their way to the Creator.

    In this wise we can apply to man, the human person, the words of the Apostle of the Gentiles, who writes to the Corinthians on the Christian economy of salvation: "All things are yours, and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's."[12] While Communism impoverishes human personality by inverting the terms of the relation of man to society, to what lofty heights is man not elevated by reason and Revelation!

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    BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS HERE:

    In the beginning Communism showed itself for what it was in all its perversity; but very soon it realized that it was thus alienating the people. It has therefore changed its tactics, and strives to entice the multitudes by trickery of various forms, hiding its real designs behind ideas that in themselves are good and attractive.

    Thus, aware of the universal desire for peace, the leaders of Communism pretend to be the most zealous promoters and propagandists in the movement for world amity.

    Yet at the same time they stir up a class-warfare which causes rivers of blood to flow, and, realizing that their system offers no internal guarantee of peace, they have recourse to unlimited armaments.

    Under various names which do not suggest Communism, they establish organizations and periodicals with the sole purpose of carrying their ideas into quarters otherwise inaccessible.

    They try perfidiously to worm their way even into professedly Catholic and religious organizations. Again, without receding an inch from their subversive principles, they invite Catholics to collaborate with them in the realm of so-called humanitarianism and charity; and at times even make proposals that are in perfect harmony with the Christian spirit and the doctrine of the Church.

    Elsewhere they carry their hypocrisy so far as to encourage the belief that Communism, in countries where faith and culture are more strongly entrenched, will assume another and much milder form.

    It will not interfere with the practice of religion. It will respect liberty of conscience. There are some even who refer to certain changes recently introduced into soviet legislation as a proof that Communism is about to abandon its program of war against God.

    58. See to it, Venerable Brethren, that the Faithful do not allow themselves to be deceived!

    Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may
    collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever.

    Those who permit themselves to be deceived into lending their aid towards the triumph of Communism in their own country, will be the first to fall victims of their error.

    And the greater the antiquity and grandeur of the Christian civilization in the regions where Communism successfully penetrates, so much more devastating will be the hatred displayed by the godless.

    I think this is clear enough.

    If people were Catholics and followed what the Church tells them [not the Novus Ordo Protestant cult] we would not be today in such a predicament because nobody would trust anything the commies say or do and they would simply be isolated and condemned, opposed forever, and if they dared to attack they would have been decimated by united Catholic military might, just as the spread of Islam was stopped by the Holy Crusades.

    So yes, it has its background in religion for this exact reason.

    God Bless.

    Honza

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