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    "This is clearly contrary to the precept that church and state should remain seperate."

    http://www.sierratimes.com/06/07/25/Levant.htm
    EXECUTIVE ORDER 13397 - CHURCH AS GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY
    Nancy Levant
    July 25, 2006

    The separation of church and state - gone with the stroke of a pen. As of March 7, 2006, our nation’s leader signed another Executive Order, which tied the Department of Homeland Security to our leader’s “faith-based” churches. Okay, all you non-profit churches out there – you now serve the federal government’s primary spying agency. That is now your primary function. You are now and officially an organized den of thieves.

    I would feel sorry for the pastors, ministers, priests, and rabbis except for the fact that I just can’t and won’t. How stupid and positively corrupt can you possibly be to take money in exchange for manipulating your flocks of idiot sheep to the national slaughter? And will you also spy on your flocks and provide reports to your new master?

    In exchange for money, have you agreed to pacify and organize your flocks in the event of a national emergency? You certainly have, for you have been ordered to do so. And have you been ordered to offer your buildings, your resources, and your labor forces called congregations to serve your newly declared administrator?

    I try to come up with words to describe how I feel about this Executive Order and the churches that have “partnered” themselves to this system. The words don’t come minus the fact that the church has completely and irreversibly fallen to the lowest and darkest common denominator, which is the total betrayal of the souls of the faithful. I would pray for your forgiveness, but I don’t want to.

    Nor do I want to write about this sickening topic. But, I appeal to Christian people to 1) ask your church leaders if they are “faith-based” funded, and 2) to leave those churches and start home-based churches with your friends and family members. Do not support Executive Ordered, Department of Homeland Security churches with your presence or your money. You are being manipulated and reported upon – guaranteed.

    You are being told what to do when more “crisis” hits the nation, and will hit the nation, as all is now planned down to our “weather emergencies,” which are providing the training and relocation exercises for the real crisis to come – the one that permanently collapses Constitutional America.

    The church needs to regroup and gather in homes, where faith is restored, private, and truth is real. Forget the church leadership. They are padding their pockets and socially re-engineering your mind with think tank religion and crisis management, and they’re getting paid to do so – much like the public schools and mass media.

    Raise your churches in your homes. All you need is a Bible – one will do. Save yourselves and your souls and leave your new and improved church buildings, fancy organs, fundraisers, and colorful windows behind.

    As in all Communist countries, the church will survive underground, so to speak, and with genuine prayer. And serve your Constitutional America. Don’t give up on freedom – even as it dissolves before your eyes. Be courageous in truth and gather together in truth.



    Again and again, I strongly recommend that you contact A.C.E. – Americans for Constitutional Enforcement – at contactus@a4ce.org - and request their Information Packet. Work to preserve your unalienable rights. There is no other choice but to fall – much like the American church. And please remember that faith-based churches are now governmental agencies – just like public schools, mass media, and mass communications – nothing more and nothing less.



    A.C.E. will help you, your family, and your neighbors to learn the truth about today’s America. What you don’t know is allowing for the total destruction of your rights and your individual freedom. What you don’t know is rapidly, rapidly destroying your country. Your continued ignorance is why we are falling. Please contact A.C.E. right now. May God bless the American people.



    © 2006 Nancy Levant - All Rights Reserved


    Nancy Levant is a life-long writer, a believer of God, country, Constitutional and individual rights. She resides in rural Southwestern Ohio. She has worked professionally with children since 1974 and is an ardent supporter of home schooling.

    Nancy Levant has done radio and television interviews, has been a guest speaker in many venues including college campuses, schools, Indian reservations, human service organizations, and has been the president of a youth sports organization.

    Ms. Levant just completed her new book "The Cultural Devastation of American Women: The Strange and Frightening Decline of the American Female." to be released May 2006. Equally, she is a writer for freedom and land rights issues and opposes the United Nation's Agenda 21 implementation in America.

    E-Mail: nlevant@juno.com

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    Executive Order: Responsibilities of the Department of Homeland Security with Respect to Faith-Based and Community Initiatives

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to help the Federal Government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet America's social and community needs, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Establishment of a Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives at the Department of Homeland Security.

    (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary) shall establish within the Department of Homeland Security (Department) a Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (Center).

    (b) The Center shall be supervised by a Director appointed by Secretary. The Secretary shall consult with the Director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (WHOFBCI Director) prior to making such appointment.

    (c) The Department shall provide the Center with appropriate staff, administrative support, and other resources to meet its responsibilities under this order.

    (d) The Center shall begin operations no later than 45 days from the date of this order.

    Sec. 2. Purpose of Center. The purpose of the Center shall be to coordinate agency efforts to eliminate regulatory, contracting, and other programmatic obstacles to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the provision of social and community services.

    Sec. 3. Responsibilities of the Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. In carrying out the purpose set forth in section 2 of this order, the Center shall:

    (a) conduct, in coordination with the WHOFBCI Director, a department-wide audit to identify all existing barriers to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the delivery of social and community services by the Department, including but not limited to regulations, rules, orders, procure-ment, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities that unlawfully discriminate against, or otherwise discourage or disadvantage the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal programs;

    (b) coordinate a comprehensive departmental effort to incorporate faith-based and other community organizations in Department programs and initiatives to the greatest extent possible;

    (c) propose initiatives to remove barriers identified pursuant to section 3(a) of this order, including but not limited to reform of regulations, procurement, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities;

    (d) propose the development of innovative pilot and demonstration programs to increase the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal as well as State and local initiatives; and

    (e) develop and coordinate Departmental outreach efforts to disseminate information more effectively to faith-based and other community organizations with respect to programming changes, contracting opportunities, and other agency initiatives, including but not limited to Web and Internet resources.

    Sec. 4. Reporting Requirements.

    (a) Report. Not later than 180 days from the date of this order and annually thereafter, the Center shall prepare and submit a report to the WHOFBCI Director.

    (b) Contents. The report shall include a description of the Department's efforts in carrying out its responsibilities under this order, including but not limited to:

    (i) a comprehensive analysis of the barriers to the full participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the delivery of social and community services identified pursuant to section 3(a) of this order and the proposed strategies to eliminate those barriers; and

    (ii) a summary of the technical assistance and other information that will be available to faith-based and other community organizations regarding the program activities of the agency and the preparation of applications or proposals for grants, cooperative agreements, contracts, and procurement.

    (c) Performance Indicators. The first report shall include annual performance indicators and measurable objectives for Departmental action. Each report filed thereafter shall measure the Department's performance against the objectives set forth in the initial report.

    Sec. 5. Responsibilities of the Secretary. The Secretary shall:

    (a) designate an employee within the department to serve as the liaison and point of contact with the WHOFBCI Director; and

    (b) cooperate with the WHOFBCI Director and provide such information, support, and assistance to the WHOFBCI Director as requested to implement this order.

    Sec. 6. General Provisions. (a) This order shall be implemented subject to the availability of appropriations and to the extent permitted by law.

    (b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

    GEORGE W. BUSH

    THE WHITE HOUSE,

    March 7, 2006.

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    I had someone tell me about this EO not too long ago. It was told to me in the context that this EO was part of the NWO agenda to infiltrate churches and to try and "brainwash" the congregations into following along with government orders to be sent to "camps" in the event of a national emergency.

    That sounds pretty far fetched to me, but I'm open to hearing the evidence for or against it, if any can be provided.

    Regarding the actual text of the EO, it sounds to me like they want churches to be reporting directly to the feds. I don't speak "legaleese" so can someone interpret what that EO actually means and what it actually does or doesn't do?
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    This is nothing- there's an 81 executive order which guarantees the right to life. This is nothing, neither faith based nor nwo propoganda. The seas are calm the sky is blue, where are the concentrations camps? In the minds of not me, I hope not you.

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    1) Sierra Times is absolutely the WORST place to get real, truthful information. Why? They try to be "truthful" according to them. But in their mission statement, you read, "The Sierra Times attempts to fill the voids left by state-sponsored and other controlled media.".... the Media isn't "state sponsored or controlled". It IS however, by and large leftist. With the noted exception of many AM Talk Radio shows, and FOX news, the vast MAJORITY of the main stream media is anything BUT controlled -- except by liberals and leftists like Jane Fonda's hubby, Ted Turner. I'm not saying they do not provide news. They do. Just that they certainly have intentional leanings to the "opinion side". Just like I do. I lean right. They lean whereever their current group of writers happen to take them. The fact is, they are not a main stream media organization, any more than TAA is. We collect and post news that happens to concern certain subjects. STs has a very distinct "flavor" on their news... only a blind person can not see it.

    A) All of that said about the Sierra Times, understand that I am not saying you shouldn't get news there. In fact, read there all you like. IF they were enspousing only those things they claim to believe in their mission statement, especially the last part about the Constitutional Amendments, they would be "OK by me". Their problem though comes when they start mixing facts with fiction, and making everything into a conspiracy theory. (http://www.sierratimes.com/mission.htm)

    2) Where does this EO say anything about "forcing churches" -- or mandating they fall under this. This is nothing more than a way to get money from the Feds out to people who need it through third party organizations -- namely churches.

    3) When there is a disaster, or as in the WTC attack, who were the people who showed up to help???? Wow... CHURCH PEOPLE. They came and gave all they had, out of their pockets, from their church coffers, the gave until some went broke and ran out of money. Could they help more? Perhaps, but likely no. This is MERELY a way for the Feds to feed money to the churches to get out to the needy.


    For the conspiracy theorists though, this is fodder. This is something more to fuel the fire. If you don't believe that, do a seach on that EO number like I did, and READ the bullshit on some of the other sites about "Bush Naziism". Give me a break.

    We went through this crap on Anomalies --- it is NOT going to happen here. Conspiracy theories belong in the garbage. They are theories. There's NO proof to some of the idiotic and innane remarks that some of the people make -- there is nothing in this message above that Falcon posted but hatred for the current administration. As I said, FODDER.


    Just to prove my point of how idiotic this article is... let's see what's on some of the sites that posted this "as factual".... When in fact it is the OPINION of one woman who is pretty anti-American all-in-all.... let's see here...

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=13663

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    Do we need a new office with a head in charge of Religion in our country?.
    Let me be very clear on something.

    There is NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. There is a real Constitutional Amendment that states:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



    Here's a LAW overview:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index...irst_amendment
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_A...s_Constitution

    Specifically the ONLY things that the First Amendment does is:

    PROHIBITS the Federal Legislature from Establishing a "State Religion"

    PROHIBITS the Federal Legislature from prohibiting free speech.

    PROHIBITS the Federal Legislature infringing on the freedom of the press (on asking questions, reporting, publishing papers or whatever)

    PROHIBITS the Federal Legislature from infringing on the freedom to assemble peaceably

    PROHIBITS the Federal Legislature from limiting the right to petition the government for redress of greivences

    Nowhere does it say that churches, church people, or the religious can not be INVOLVED in government.

    Nowhere does it prohibit me or you, or anyone else from having a flag in a church or holding a church service on government property.

    NOWHERE does it prohibit me, or you or anyone else from saying "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegence.

    NO WHERE does it prohibit me from having a Cross on my desk, a Star of David or any other religious symbol on my person, my desk in my office (on government property), holding "religious school", reading a Bible or other religious reference while on or off duty, during a break.

    NO WHERE in the Consitution does that piece of paper prohibit us from giving to people, and certainly NO WHERE in the Consitution is America prevented from giving monies to ANY organization whatsoever including churches to HELP needed people in the time of a disaster.

    The EO that was listed by Nancy Levant is one of a long, long list of irrelevant articles by that woman. She is, like us, Anti-UN, but then she is PRO-CONSPIRACY. (http://nord.twu.net/acl/levant-conspiracy.html) She is very anti-US-Government. Period, whether it is republican or democrat. Why? Because she appears to believe that somewhere along the way all of us have been bought out by the United Nations, and someday we will all be part of some world government scheme.

    She uses the words in one article, "the one-world government is based upon a hybrid Socialism-Communism economics system - a system of corporate governance and ownership of natural resources, land, water, and complete control of human beings." She is, very much against big business as well. Capitalism folks....... makes the world go 'round. NOT communism, or socialism. Even CHINA of all countries understands this now. She is also "anti-banking system". You really need to read some of this woman's articles that have gone in the past.

    http://www.sierratimes.com/03/arc_pa...Nancy%20Levant
    http://nord.twu.net/acl/levant.html

    Matter of fact, pretty much everything she writes is pro-conspiracy. The UN is one, the Government is one, Churches are one, you name it, for her, it's all a conspiracy.

    While there are a vast number of people out there who involve themselves daily in conspiracies, I've YET to see one PROVED. Instead, I'm told "Prove it isn't" by these people. Evidence offered in most cases tends to be convoluted, mis-stated lies and misdirection, showing people exactly what the Conspiracist wants you to see, and nothing more, especially NOT factual data that will actually show that the Conspiracy is nothing more than misstated logic or confusion.

    If you all bothered to read the actual EO, you should be able TO SHOW ME exactly where Churches are mandated to be involved.


    Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit that America COULD fall... but, I don't think it will happen as this woman believes. There are those out there who want to inspire America to fall, to make you BELIEVE America can not survive as it is, and that it will in time, fall to internal, conspiritorial forces over which you and I have little or no control. They wish you to have the mental conviction that they are speaking the truth, and that they are never going to lie to you. They are using opinion to make a conspiracy theory bigger and in-your-face than it is... and indeed no such thing exists, but because we can see "this connection, and that dot, linked by this line" we fall for these inconsistent and vague lies by people who take the President himself and connect him as a "New World Order" person.

    We see this day in and day out. I FOUGHT against this sort of lying on Anomalies, and I'll not sit here and let this one get a pass.
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    From reading throught the EO language, it appears that the DHS position is intended, essentially, as an "expeditor" ... to remove red-tape and speed up the process for religious-based help organizations to receive funding and communication, and, in the case of an emergency, to be better coordinated through a central government office.

    Maybe it's my business-thinking getting in the way, but I'm not seeing much of a problem with that.

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    Maybe it's my business-thinking getting in the way, but I'm not seeing much of a problem with that.
    Hahaha. To put it briefly, yes.
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