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DOBBS: More now on that outrageous story we reported last week about the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Agency losing track of 111,000 files. As many as many as 30,000 of those people were granted U.S. citizenship besides missing documents and investigations of their background. Senator Chuck Grassley, one of the two senators who requested the investigation that brought the case to light. And Senator Grassley joins us tonight from Capitol Hill. Good to have you here.
SEN. CHUCK GRASSLEY (R), IOWA: I'm glad to always be with you, Lou.
DOBBS: This is -- on the issue of illegal immigration, the absurdities never cease to amaze any of us. But this is inside the legal immigration system and it's completely a mess. Why is this going on?
GRASSLEY: Well, could I say one reason why it really points out as being a mess? In 2002, we had a person who was a threat to the United States that got citizenship and the file wasn't even reviewed.
So when a terrorist can have that happen, we know it's really bad. How can this happen? I think that's your question. Basic incompetence of paperwork or the fact that even paperwork exists as opposed to having this stuff on computer where it can be saved.
My general -- we requested the Government Accountability Office to investigate this. And their report that I have with me, if you want to see it, would be -- would say that 30,000 people in this country became citizen citizens without their file even being reviewed. And in 14 offices that the Government Accountability Office went to, they found 111,000 cases of files being lost.
DOBBS: I have the General Accountability Office report here with me, senator. The idea that we have a federal agency, the Citizenship and Immigration Service trying to push through a backlog of, what, six million what are called alien files. They are aliens, people don't like to deal with that sometimes in the pro-illegal immigration lobbying and activist groups.
But that's what they are. How in the world did we get in this situation and are they really doing this carefully because they seem to be just wanting to drive this through the CIS?
GRASSLEY: Well, first of all, people maybe are seen as doing a good job, the more people they rubber-stamped to become citizens of this country get here illegally in the first place.
Secondly, the fact that they lose these files and terrorists can become citizens and get into this country, you know there only has to be one mistake. A terrorist has to be right once. We have to be right every time.
And here we've got 111,000 files and 30,000 people becoming citizens that we didn't even get their case reviewed. You can see why it's a threat to our country.
And also getting back to your point, it shows if they can't handle legal immigration, how are they going to give amnesty to six million people that are -- 12 million people that are here illegally if we were to pass such a bill, which I'm opposed to amnesty, by the way.
DOBBS: You're opposed to it. I have to say Senator Leahy today, the incoming chairman of the Senate Judiciary saying "years of dawdling have worsened our border security and made it harder to fix this broken system.
We should not let partisan politics and intolerance," Senator Grassley, "intolerance continue to delay and derail effective reform."
Do you believe that the senator has any concept of how he can control immigration that he wants to reform if he can't assure us all that we're controlling our borders and ports?
GRASSLEY: I think a test to that will come next year when we have a debate on an amendment that there can't be any guest worker programs or even any consideration of legalizing illegality if we don't control the borders in the first place. In other words, control the borders in the first place and then look at all these other issues as a next step.
DOBBS: Senator Chuck Grassley, good to have you here. Thank you, sir.
GRASSLEY: Thank you.
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