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    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/103ocomz.asp

    Murdered to Order

    Opponents of stem cell research see their worst fears realized in the Ukraine.
    by Ryan T. Anderson
    12/28/2006 12:00:00 AM











    The Drudge Report recently highlighted a shocking story from the BBC that centered on "disturbing video footage" of "dismembered tiny bodies."



    "Healthy new-born babies" in the Ukraine, "the self-styled stem cell capital of the world," have allegedly been killed "to feed a flourishing international trade in stem cells."


    Apparently this isn't an isolated problem. The Council of Europe "describes a general culture of trafficking of children snatched at birth, and a wall of silence from hospital staff upwards over their fate." Imagine the horror of young mothers who "gave birth to healthy babies, only to have them taken by maternity staff." What happened to these newborns was anybody's guess, but recent footage obtained by the BBC may provide insight into their fate: "The pictures show organs, including brains, have been stripped--and some bodies dismembered."


    The BBC report comes as a complete shock to most readers. But to those steeped in biotech news and bioethical literature, the latest out of the Ukraine is only a partial shock. While no one expected baby-snatching in maternity wards, it seemed inevitable that the business of stem cell research would, at some point, produce an abomination of this kind.


    At least publicly, supporters of various embryo-, fetus-, or infant-killing programs have always argued that these options were reluctantly chosen, out of dire necessity, and only on the least-human of subjects--so-called "spare" embryos, "unwanted" pregnancies, and gravely disabled newborns.


    And so at first the abortion lobby argued that fetuses aren't human. Then, as embryology and developmental biology

    decisively demonstrated that an unborn child is most definitely a complete, though immature, human being, the rhetoric shifted to discussions of competing rights and interests between the mother and her unborn child, along with appeals to the right to privacy. It was conceded that the decision for abortion is tragic, and, though it entails the ending of a life, sometimes it is an absolutely necessary result of the conflicting needs between the mother and child. And it was insisted that it is best if doctors and women are allowed to adjudicate these situations, in private, for themselves.


    Intellectual defenders of abortion painted a picture of simply ceasing a pregnancy: The unborn child has no inalienable right to inhabit the mother's womb. A woman doesn't make a choice to kill, simply a choice to end pregnancy--to remove the unwanted baby from her body. Her body, her choice.


    Yet this didn't prove to be satisfactory. The further claim was made that the "right" to an abortion consisted in the right to an "effective abortion."



    And an effective abortion entails not the ending of a pregnancy, but the death of a child. Witness the phenomena of partial-birth abortion and born-alive abortion.


    But the issue of stem cell research can not appeal to any of these claims of women's welfare, privacy, or "the right to choose." Though the case of embryonic stem cells doesn't pose a direct competition of rights or interests--unborn embryos do not pose a threat to anyone--public arguments were made about competing interests of patients: "You pro-lifers are favoring embryos over Parkinson's victims." When these arguments prove ineffective, defenders of embryo-destructive research turn to a utilitarian one: embryos can be put to better use as raw material for biomedical research.



    Even here, however, the public arguments are always made that human embryos merit a certain amount of respect and dignity--even if killing is still acceptable--and that the choice to destroy embryonic human beings is always made reluctantly, with the hope that new technologies will soon be developed that make their destruction unnecessary.


    Now, however, we are seeing more and more clearly that this is all a hoax.



    Sure, people like Princeton's Peter Singer have argued for a long time in defense of infanticide. But no one ever considered infanticide a real possibility; Singer's arguments always seemed to be an eccentric intellectual exercise. Recent developments abroad and at home, however, force us to reconsider. Sadly, the BBC report out of the Ukraine is just the latest in a long line of startling developments in this trend.


    In July of 2005, the Slate magazine science reporter William Saletan argued in a five-part series titled "Organ Factory: the Case for Harvesting Older Human Embryos" that given the current acceptance of embryo destruction there is no reason to limit it to the early embryo. He pointed to studies from around the world arguing that seven-week old embryos are what researchers really want. And Saletan made the case that they should have them: "Don't be scared. We don't have to grow a whole new you. . . . an embryo cloned from one of your cells would need just six or seven weeks to grow many of the tissues you need. We already condone harvesting of cells

    from cloned human embryos for the first two weeks. Why stop there?"


    And in the startling conclusion to part five, Saletan made clear that nothing should stand in the way of science: "But if all you want is tissue, who cares? You can tell yourself what we already tell ourselves about unwanted in vitro embryos: They're doomed anyway. Patients' lives are at stake. We can't let personal morality get in the way of science. We can't wait."


    The Princeton philosopher Robert P. George, arguing the other side of the issue, picked up on Saletan's article and noticed a frightening development right in his own backyard. Under the title "Fetal Attraction: What the Stem Cell Scientists Really Want" in the pages of THE WEEKLY STANDARD, George rang the alarm bell warning that embryonic stem cell research was leading to the macabre practice of "fetal farming." He noted that blastocyst-stage embryonic stem cells are therapeutically unusable because of their tendency to produce tumors when injected into subjects. Claims that they will cure people are pure hype. Nature herself, however, stabilizes stem cells in the normal gestational process, eliminating the tumor-formation problem by what appears to be an extraordinarily complex system of intercellular signaling; a complex system scientist were having trouble replicating.


    George warned that this would lead some scientists to demand the right to create human clones and gestate them in female volunteers or artificial wombs to the late embryonic or even the fetal or infant stages before killing them to harvest non-tumor-forming stem cells:
    "My suspicions and sense of urgency have been heightened by the fact that my home state of New Jersey has passed a bill that specifically authorizes and encourages human cloning for, among other purposes, the harvesting of 'cadaveric fetal tissue.' A 'cadaver,' of course, is a dead body. The bodies in question are those of fetuses created by cloning specifically to be gestated and killed as sources of tissues and organs. What the bill envisages and promotes, in other words, is fetus farming."
    That was last year in New Jersey. This year in Missouri a provision was passed that created a constitutional right to human embryo cloning--provided the cloned embryo isn't transferred into a woman's womb--while also creating a constitutional mandate to destroy human embryos. More startling, however, was the window intentionally left open for fetus farming. If the technology of artificial wombs is perfected, cloned embryos can be developed in artificial wombs and then harvested not only for stem cells, but for developed cells and even organs. This, it appears, is what the doctors in the Ukraine are after. What guarantee do we have that they aren't after the same thing here?

    Ryan T. Anderson is a junior fellow at First Things. He is also the assistant director of the Program on Bioethics and Human Dignity at the Witherspoon Institute of Princeton, NJ.
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    From Times Online
    November 11, 2008

    Vatican fires off warning to Barack Obama over stem cell research


    Barack Obama has indicated that he will reverse several executive orders made by President Bush


    Richard Owen in Rome

    The Vatican has fired a warning shot over the bows of Barack Obama in response to the President-elect's intention to lift the US ban on embryonic stem cell research.

    Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, who acts as the Vatican health minister, said that stem cells taken from human embryos and involving the destruction of the embryos "serve no purpose".

    Asked whether the Vatican was concerned about reports that Mr Obama might reverse the Bush Administration's ban, the cardinal said that embryonic stem cell research had not resulted in any significant health cure so far and was "good for nothing".

    Research on adult stem cells and umbliical cords had been shown to have "positive value", by contrast, although even that was not "a panacea for everything."

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    He said the Vatican would seek clarification of the new administration's position on stem cells, and he himself was not "fully aware" what it was.
    Aides to Mr Obama indicated this week that he will reverse Mr Bush's stand on stem cell research. The US Senate voted in July to remove restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, but the President vetoed the legislation the following day.

    Mr Obama has supported stem cell research to find cures for diseases such as Alzheimer's. His views are supported by Joe Biden, the Vice-President-elect, who is a Roman Catholic.

    John Podesta, who is handling the President-elect's preparations to take over in the White House on January 20, said Mr Obama wanted "all the Bush executive orders reviewed".

    He added: "I think across the board, on stem cell research, on a number of areas, you see the Bush administration even today moving aggressively to do things that I think are probably not in the interest of the country."

    Writing in the National Catholic Reporter, John Allen, a leading American Vatican watcher, said the Vatican would have "deep differences" with the Obama administration over abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

    These, however, must not be allowed to impede US-Vatican co-operation in promoting "religious freedom and human dignity worldwide" or on issues such as immigration, economic justice, peace, and environmental protection, he said.

    Carinal Barragan, President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers, made the remarks at a press conference on childhood disease and illness and infant mortality.

    He called for an intensive effort to improve "both medical and pastoral" aid to children, saying that four million babies in the world died each year in their first 26 days of life.

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    I know a bishop who died because he refused a human liver transplant- and chose a pig. Science tech is great, but with the trafficing in human organs and this new foul "fetus farming"- he didn't want to be part of the market. Believe it or not, he got along pretty well for a while on a pig liver, then opened the door to the place where we all go.

    I dont even like to read these articles- abortion was once considered so apalling to the human conscience that it was not discussed even in legal circles. Keep us posted on what new cures arise from these wicked "wonder" cures. I would opt to avoid them.

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    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/dec/08120209.html



    Catholic Bishop: "Go Right Ahead and Arrest Me" Rather than Obey Freedom of Choice Act




    By Kathleen Gilbert
    ARLINGTON, Virginia, December 2, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Bishop Paul Loverde of the diocese of Arlington weighed in on the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) last week, saying that if he oversaw a Catholic hospital he would neither close the facility nor allow it to perform abortions if FOCA were to become law.
    Though there are currently no Catholic hospitals in the Arlington diocese, the bishop spoke defiantly against FOCA, which would force all health care providers to procure abortions at any stage of development, regardless of their moral or religious objection.
    “I would say, ‘Yeah, I’m not going to close the hospital, you’re going to arrest me, go right ahead," Bishop Loverde told a group of mostly young adults at a diocesan event, according to a CNS report.
    "You’ll have to drag me out, go right ahead. I’m not closing this hospital, we will not perform abortions, and you can go take a flying leap.’”
    At a 2007 Planned Parenthood conference, Obama promised that one of his highest priorities as president would be to pass FOCA, rendering illegal all state and federal limits on abortion. This would include abortion clinic regulations, parental notification requirements, bars to taxpayer abortion funding, and the partial–birth abortion ban, in addition to laws protecting doctors' rights to conscientious objection.
    “It’s quite a title, let me tell you,” Bishop Loverde said of the Freedom of Choice Act. “It’s a misnomer, it’s neither free nor choice, so I don’t know where they got the name of the act, because it’s just crazy, because it has no freedom, and it has no choice.”
    Catholic and pro-life voices have raised the alarm on the unprecedented danger the bill represents for unborn Americans, with Catholic officials particularly concerned that U.S. Catholic hospitals will be forced to close en masse in the face of mandatory abortion.
    Chicago Cardinal Francis George, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), issued in November a statement on behalf of all Catholic bishops warning Obama that "aggressive pro-abortion policies, legislation and executive orders will permanently alienate tens of millions of Americans, and would be seen by many as an attack on the free exercise of their religion."
    One unnamed senior Vatican official recently told TIME magazine that the passage of FOCA would mean "the equivalent of a war" between Mr. Obama and the Catholic Church.

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    http://www.pihl.us/leif/honorverse/images/Real_World/Ginsburg_Ruth_Bader_Justice.jpg

    Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.

    Scrooge, or Mr. Magoo?

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    Sorry sami, had to delete that last post as bad HTML was messing up the thread. Try reposting it but double checking the HTML if you are going to use it.

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    Thank you, my error. I believe that if one removes text formatting, and posts a quicj reply, the edit feature does not appear. I goofed, but couldn't blot it out.

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    Obama science czar Holdren called for forced abortions
    'Comprehensive Planetary Regime could control development, distribution of all natural resources'



    Posted: July 11, 2009
    8:20 pm Eastern



    By Drew Zahn
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily
    John Holdren
    The man President Obama has chosen to be his science czar once advocated a shocking approach to the "population crisis" feared by scientists at the time: namely, compulsory abortions in the U.S. and a "Planetary Regime" with the power to enforce human reproduction restrictions.
    "There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated," wrote Obama appointee John Holdren, as reported by FrontPage Magazine. "It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."
    Holdren's comments, made in 1977, mirror the astonishing admission this week of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who said she was under the impression that legalizing abortion with the 1973 Roe. v. Wade case would eliminate undesirable members of the populace, or as she put it "populations that we don't want to have too many of."
    In 1977, when many scientists were alarmed by predictions of harmful environmental effects of human population growth, Holdren teamed with Paul R. Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb," and his wife, Anne, to pen "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment."
    Holdren's book proposed multiple strategies to curb population growth, and, according to the quotes excerpted by FrontPage Magazine, advocated an international police force to ensure the strategies were carried out.
    "Such a comprehensive Plenetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable," Holdren and the Ehrlichs reportedly wrote. "The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries' shares within their regional limits. ... The Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits."

    canto XXV Dante

    from purgatory, the lustful... "open your breast to the truth which follows and know that as soon as the articulations in the brain are perfected in the embryo, the first Mover turns to it, happy...."
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