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    January 4th, 2007

    A U.S. Border Patrol entry Identification Team site was attacked and overrun Wednesday night along the Arizona-Mexico.

    According to the Border Patrol authorities, an unknown number of gunmen attacked a site in the state’s West Desert Region around 11 p.m. The site is being manned by National Guardsmen. Those guardsmen were forced to retreat from the site.

    The Border Patrol has not confirmed whether shots were fired. However, no Guardsmen were reported injured in the incident.

    The Border Patrol states the incident occurred somewhere along the 120 mile section of the border between Nogales and Lukeville. The area is known as a drug corridor.

    Source - AZ Channel 12 News - See Video

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    Default Re: U.S. Border Patrol Site Attacked By Gunmen

    I would just like to requote a section for added emphasis:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    According to the Border Patrol authorities, an unknown number of gunmen attacked a site in the state’s West Desert Region around 11 p.m. The site is being manned by National Guardsmen. Those guardsmen were forced to retreat from the site.
    Glad you found this info Jag.

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    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...derthreat.html

    U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the 11 p.m. Wednesday incident and trying to determine who the armed people were and why they approached the post near Sasabe, in the desert corridor between Nogales and Lukeville. Balaban said the troops didn't know how many people were involved because it was so dark.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sasabe...17823,0.043001

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    How absof*ckinglutely disgusting.

    You folks beat me to it; this is what I was bringing here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241783,00.html

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    From your link, Backstop:
    He said the troops withdrew safely, no shots were fired and no one suffered injuries.
    U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the incident and trying to determine who the armed people were, what they were doing and why they approached the post before retreating to Mexico.
    What does that mean? They approached the post before retreating to Mexico. It looks to me like our National Guard, though unable to fire legally, (she rolls her eyes) held their ground and won that little deal with the armed group retreating right back where they'd come from. Good.
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    Guard Soldiers Back Off From Armed Men Out Of Mexico
    A Border Patrol official says National Guard troops acted appropriately this week when they abandoned their post near the border southwest of Tucson as four gunmen approached from Mexico.

    It is the nearest that Guard members have come to an armed conflict on the border since spring when President Bush pledged up to 6,000 soldiers to help slow illegal immigration along the nation's 1,950-mile southern border.

    No shots were fired in the incident, and no one was injured. Border Patrol spokesman Mario Martinez stressed that "there was no attack."

    But he added, "It's a serious situation. We're not trying to say it wasn't a serious situation. We've never had an incident where there were gunmen this close to a post."

    It also raises questions in the eyes of critics who say the border mission has placed Guard troops in an awkward position. Guardsmen are strictly in a backup role along the border. That means performing administrative functions, building roads and fences, even conducting surveillance in some cases, such as with the team near Tucson.

    But they're never to confront or attempt to apprehend border crossers.

    "What are we paying our National Guard to do (along the border)? That is the question," said Don Goldwater, who led a failed campaign for governor last year on his promise to crack down on illegal immigration.

    "We're putting the National Guard down in harm's way along the border with no intention to allow them to protect themselves."

    Goldwater is the nephew of the late Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, a former presidential candidate.

    The armed confrontation took place about 11 p.m. Wednesday near Sasabe about a quarter-mile north of the border. A team of four or five Guard members, armed with M-16s, were watching for border crossers at an observation post when they spotted four men carrying what appeared to be rifles, Martinez said.

    As the men came closer, the soldiers left their post and called for the Border Patrol.

    "In order to not be detected, they moved to a safer location," Martinez said. "That's exactly what we want them to do.

    "They're armed for their protection. Once they are afraid for their lives, they can defend themselves.

    "That was not the case."

    Border Patrol agents responded within minutes and scoured the area by helicopter and on the ground, but the gunmen could not be located. Their tracks showed that they had arrived near the observation post after crossing into the United States from Mexico.

    Armed individuals crossing remote areas of the border typically are smuggling drugs, Martinez said, though it is unknown who the gunmen were in this incident. It's also uncertain whether the men were scouting the observation post, testing National Guard response or merely stumbled upon the soldiers.

    Martinez wouldn't say whether troops have since returned to the observation post, but he noted that "we're still monitoring the area; we'll probably be monitoring the area closely for a while."

    Gov. Janet Napolitano's staff was briefed about the incident by the Arizona National Guard, but it deferred comment to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. A spokesman from that office did not respond to a phone message left by The Arizona Republic.

    Barrett Marson, spokesman for state House Speaker Jim Weiers, said "legislative leaders have not been briefed on the situation but would like some information."

    State Sen. Chuck Gray, a Republican and retired Mesa police officer, was surprised that Guard members would run in the face of an armed threat, unless they were seeking protective cover.

    "I can tell you, as a police officer of 10 years, there was never a policy to flee," he said. "If they're running for cover, that's different than running away."

    Illegal immigration moved to the forefront of American politics in the past few years. Polls consistently have said it is one of the top issues in the minds of Arizonans, and Napolitano and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared border emergencies for their respective states in August 2005.

    Nearly one year ago to the day, Napolitano used her State of the State address to call for the federal government to pay for the deployment of the National Guard to the border. In the spring, she got her wish with Bush's announcement of Operation Jump Start, a plan to use thousands of Guard members to tighten the border until new Border Patrol agents could be hired and trained.

    Roughly 5,700 Guard members are stationed along the border, more than a quarter of whom are in Arizona. It is hoped that they can be pulled back by 2008.

    Initial reports indicate the program has reduced illegal crossings. Apprehensions were down 11.4 percent in Arizona from 2005 to 2006, and down 8.5 percent for the four border states.

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    4 Guardsmen Were Surrounded During Face-Off With Armed Men
    Four armed Guardsmen from Tennessee were surrounded by 6-8 men carrying automatic weapons at one point during an encounter on Jan. 3 east of Sasabe.

    This and other details have emerged about the widely-talked about incident in an account of the event released by Governor Janet Napolitano's office and confirmed by the National Guard and the U.S. Border Patrol.

    Statements from legislative liaisons from the National Guard Bureau and U.S. Customs and Border Protection released by Governor Janet Napolitano's office paint a picture of much closer and potentially more dangerous encounter than has previously been described by the Border Patrol and National Guard.

    According to the statements, a group of six to eight men wearing ballistic vests and carrying automatic weapons approached an entrance identification team site manned by four National Guardsmen from Tennessee on that night.

    As they approached the Guardsmen, the armed men "split into two groups to surround the site," said the statement from the National Guard government liaison.

    As the Guardsmen were putting their gear into the vehicle to leave, one of the armed men approached within 10 meters, the National Guard report said.

    The National Guard report goes on to say "Both groups kept their weapons 'ready low' and never pointed them at each other. No shots were fired."

    The Guardsmen finished loading their things and as they left the area the Guardsmen called Border Patrol to report the situation.

    The Border Patrol statement says the agency was notified by handheld radio and satellite phone as the situation unfolded. After the face-off with the lone gunman who approached to within 20 yards, the Guardsman followed standard operating procedure and "retreated to their vehicle and drove approximately 200 yards away from the site."

    The Border Patrol Statement says a Customs and Border Protection helicopter arrived within five minutes and flew over the area, and five Border Patrol agents were on site within 10 minutes.

    The helicopter and agents on the ground tracked the armed men back into Mexico. The helicopter continued to hover in the area looking for possible threats from Mexico.
    Nothing was taken or moved at the National Guard post. Both reports emphasized that the Guardsman were armed at the time of the encounter.

    "We see this as a triumph of the training, discipline and professionalism of the Guardsmen performing this mission," reads the report from the National Guard legislative liaison.

    Arizona National Guard spokesman Maj. Paul Aguirre said he hadn't released the report but confirmed the accuracy.

    "It was successful response to a very serious incident," Maj. Aguirre said. ( )

    Gustavo Soto, Border Patrol Tucson Sector spokesman, also confirmed the accuracy of the reports Friday although he said he doesn't know where they got some of their information. The Tucson Sector didn't release the statement because it wasn't theirs and because they wanted to make sure not to compromise their own investigation.

    The details in the report won't interfere with their own investigation but could with the Mexican government's, Soto said.

    Guardsmen working in entrance identification teams will continue to follow protocol, said Maj. Aguirre, which means: "If they feel physically threatened, they will react accordingly," he said.

    If they were shot at, they would shoot back, he said.
    Well, it’s good to see that our intermilitary cooperation with France is finally paying off as we are now successfully executing their battle tactics…

    Why in the world do these guys have a ROE that restricts them to only firing when firing upon?!?! They are the damn military not the police!!! One of the primary things a military force is supposed to be used for is to DEFEND a position!

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070131/...IwBHNlYwMyNzQ3

    By ALICIA A. CALDWELL, Associated Press Writer Wed Jan 31, 5:24 PM ET

    DEL RIO, Texas -



    A recent standoff between National Guardsmen and heavily armed outlaws along the Mexican border has rattled some troops and raised questions about the rules of engagement for soldiers who were sent to the border in what was supposed to be a backup role.


    Six to eight gunmen — possibly heading for Mexico with drug money — approached a group of Tennessee National Guard troops at an overnight observation post Jan. 3 on the U.S. side of the Arizona-Mexico border. No one fired a shot, and the confrontation ended when American troops retreated to contact the Border Patrol. The gunmen then fled into Mexico.


    But the incident made some National Guard commanders nervous enough to move up training dates for handling hostage situations. And some lawmakers have questioned why the rules prohibit soldiers from opening fire unless they are fired upon.


    "Why would this be allowed to happen?" Republican Arizona state Rep. Warde Nichols said. "Why do we have National Guard running from illegals on the border?"


    Nichols said until the rules of engagement are changed, the troops are little more than "window dressing ... to say we are doing something about border security."


    "We want to untie their hands," he added. "We want to put them in a primary role."


    The standoff was the first known armed encounter between National Guard troops and civilians since President Bush ordered about 6,000 soldiers to the border in May to support the Border Patrol and local law enforcement. The guard was supposed to be the "eyes and ears" for other agencies and was not given authority to arrest or detain illegal immigrants.


    The men who confronted the soldiers were armed with automatic weapons and wearing ballistic vests when they saw the soldiers, split into two groups and appeared to be trying to surround them, authorities said. Before the Guardsmen retreated, one gunman came within 35 feet of the soldiers, according to a National Guard report. The outlaws' nationality was unclear, investigators said.


    Republican Arizona state Rep. Jerry Weiers said the rules of engagement put soldiers in a tough position.


    "My real, true, honest concern here is that we don't return fire until we have been fired upon, and by then we have probably lost a life," Weiers said.


    Arizona's Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, a Republican whose prosecution of illegal immigrants has drawn national attention, called the incident "a deep embarrassment" that highlights growing dangers from well-armed drug traffickers and human smugglers along the border.


    Texas soldiers will undergo additional training on what to do if they are separated from their teams or taken hostage or kidnapped.


    "It mainly encompasses how to treat your captors, what to think about when you are in that position and what to do when you are being rescued," Staff Sgt. Henry Aguirre said as he watched three soldiers on an overnight shift survey the darkened Rio Grande just outside Del Rio.


    Guard officials had planned to run the training later this year, Aguirre said, but the standoff "increased the urgency."


    Several soldiers said the Arizona confrontation worried them.


    "I didn't think they were going to get that bold," said Sgt. Samuel Perez of Savannah, Ga. "It's kind of been chilling that somebody is going to be that crazy."


    First Lt. Wayne Lee, a spokesman for the New Mexico National Guard, said soldiers "are not supposed to get into a firefight. It's not the Sunni Triangle."


    T.J. Bonner, president of the Border Patrol agents' union, said the soldiers sent to bolster his agents are unnecessarily at risk.


    "It's not like some picnic down there," Bonner said. "Anyone down there enforcing the laws is going to be caught up in the violence."


    Bonner said he worried that the soldiers apparently can only defend themselves "once the bullets start flying."


    "It's a recipe for disaster," Bonner said.
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