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    Premier Wen meets with Russian PM Putin

    English.news.cn 2011-11-08 11:39:39



    BEIJING, Nov. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- Premier Wen Jiabao met with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin after Monday’s SCO meeting.

    Premier Wen says high-level exchanges between China and Russia have been frequent in recent years, and he believes ties between the two countries will maintain long-term, stable and sustainable development. He notes that enhanced strategic coordination will contribute to world peace and development.

    Wen also suggests the two countries further advance trade, investment, finance and high-tech cooperation, so as to contribute to the world economic recovery. Putin says the leaders from the two countries have created deep political trust, and it is of great significance to deepen the bilateral strategic partnership.

    He says Russia is willing to strengthen ties with China, so as to contribute more to world peace and stability as well as common development.

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    Russia, China boost army spending

    April/18/2012
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    Russia and China increased their military expenditures in 2011 compared to the previous year, a recent report says. However, military spending in the US and Europe was lower over the same period due to the global crisis


    Chinese sailors march during a parade at a training base of China’s North Sea Fleet in Qingdao in the eastern Shandong province in this file photo. The country spent 6.7 percent more on arms in 2011 than 2010, with around $143 billion in total expenditure. AP photo

    The global financial crisis hit military spending in the United States and Europe last year, while Russia and China continued to increase weapons spending, a Swedish think tank said yesterday.

    The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) said budget cuts kept worldwide military expenditures nearly flat at 0.3 percent in 2011, with a total of $1.74 trillion spent, marking an end to an 11-year growth trend in arms expenditure. The U.S. was the world’s leading arms buyer, although it cut its military expenditure by 1.2 percent to $711 billion, while Europe marginally increased its spending to $407 billion.

    Russia overtook
    Britain and France to become the world’s third largest arms spender, with $71.9 billion, a 9.3 percent increase over 2010. China also spent 6.7 percent more on arms in 2011 than 2010, with around $143 billion in total expenditure, remaining the world’s second largest arms investor.

    “The aftereffects of the global economic crisis, especially deficit-reduction measures in the U.S. and Europe, have finally brought the decade-long rise in military spending to a halt, at least for now,” The Associated Press quoted Sam Perlo-Freeman, head of SIPRI’s Military Expenditure Project, as saying.

    Biggest increase from Azerbaijan


    Last year, six of the world’s top military spenders, Brazil, France, Germany, India,
    Britain and the U.S., cut their military budgets. One of the key reasons for the U.S.’s slight decline in spending was a long delay in Congress reaching an agreement on a 2011 budget, as the Obama administration clashed with Republicans over measures to reduce the deficit, SIPRI said.

    The institute expects
    American arms spending to continue to fall, due to the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, the drawdown of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, and the Budget Control Act, passed by Congress last year.

    Another figure shows that Azerbaijan had the largest percentage increase in arms spending worldwide in 2011, with 89 percent more military spending, amidst increasing warnings of renewed conflict with Armenia over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.

    Turkey’s spending decreases


    The country has also seen the largest increase in arms spending in
    Europe for the 2008-2011 period, with expenditures increasing nearly 60 percent. Greek Cyprus had the second largest increase in the same period, with nearly 20 percent more spending.In 2011, Turkey decreased its military expenditures, for a total of $17.9 billion spent. Turkey’s military expenditure decreased 12 percent compared to its 10-year average, the BBC’s Turkish website quoted the report as saying. Russia’s growing expenditure was mainly driven by the country’s goal of replacing 70 percent of its Soviet-era military equipment with modern weaponry by 2020, SIPRI said, adding that it expects the Kremlin to increase its military spending in coming years.

    Perlo-Freeman said Russia lacks important modern communications technology for the battlefield and wants to hedge against America’s overwhelming military might. SIPRI said China’s spending is in line with its overall economic growth, and has remained stable at around 2 percent of the country’s GDP since 2001. It noted that China’s increased arms spending has caused concern among its neighbors and contributed to higher arms outlays in both India and Vietnam.

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    Russia sends ships for China war games

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    Vladivostok, Russia (UPI) Apr 17, 2012


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    A quartet of warships from Russia's Pacific Fleet left port in Vladivostok last weekend, bound for war games with China in the Yellow Sea, official media said.

    The ships, identified as the guided missile cruiser Varyag and the large antisubmarine ships Marshal Shaposhnikov, Admiral Panteleyev and Admiral Vinogradov, left the Russian Far East port Sunday, the Chinese news agency Xinhua reported.

    They are expected to arrive next Sunday in the Yellow Sea to participate in week long war games there along with the Chinese navy.

    Chinese officials say more than 20 Russian and Chinese warships and support vessels will be involved in the exercise, which observers say will be the largest the two countries have staged since starting the annual exercises in 2005.

    They're being carried out under the umbrella of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization -- a security group comprised of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Its members are stepping up military, intelligence and counter-terrorism cooperation, analysts say.

    Chinese military spokesman Yang Yujun announced this month the Chinese navy and the Russian navy are having the exercises under an agreement reached in Moscow last year during a visit by PLA Chief of General Staff Chen Bingde, the Taipei Times reported.

    Chen said the games would be concluded in Qingdao, in China's Shandong Province. In all, Russia is planning to dispatch more than 10 warships.

    Rear Adm. Leonid Sukhanov, the Russian navy's deputy chief of staff, told the Chinese Communist Party-run People's Daily the Yellow Sea exercises will provide a good test for the two countries' armed forces.

    "The joint naval exercise will be held within the framework of strategic partnership principles agreed by leaders of both countries," he said.

    "Armament, support and protection systems will be practically tested, as well as command and control systems of the Russian and Chinese armed forces."

    The Hong Kong newspaper Oriental Daily reported the Sino-Russian exercises will be the largest undertaken by the Chinese navy.

    They come after the United States late last year signaled it is refocusing its strategic capabilities on the Asia-Pacific region in what U.S. President Barack Obama has called a "return" to Asia following a decade of conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    That move has been interpreted as a check on the growing military ambitions of China in the region.

    The Sino-Russian exercises this month are being carried out at the same time the U.S. Navy is participating in the "Balikatan" drills with the Philippines in the South China Sea.

    Under those exercises, close to 8,000 troops from the United States and the Philippines will conduct drills at three locations, including the island of Palawan, which borders the South China Sea and the disputed Spratly islands, the Voice of America reported.

    Tensions between the Philippines and China are stained due to arguments over the island chain.

    But the timing of the two sets of war games is probably coincidental, Steve Tsang, director of the University of Nottingham's China Policy Institute, told the Hong Kong online newspaper Asia Sentinel.

    "It would be more telling if Beijing and Moscow choose to present this as a specific parallel event or an unrelated event being held simultaneously by accident," he said.

    "But the most powerful message being sent is that China and Russia are strategic partners willing and able to work together when and where desired by both sides."

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    Inside China: China, Russia to hold drill near Korea

    By Miles Yu

    Wednesday, April 18, 2012

    Chinese and Russian military forces are set to hold a large-scale, weeklong joint naval drill beginning Sunday, and the maneuvers will be held in sensitive waters of the Yellow Sea just west of the Korean Peninsula.

    Code-named Maritime Cooperation-2012, the drills were announced several weeks ago during the height of the satellite launch crisis in North Korea.

    Analysts say the exercises are an aggressive gesture by the two navies to counter the naval bravado and resolve expressed by the navies of Japan, South Korea and the United States during the recent crisis.

    A total of 16 Chinese warships and two submarines will join seven surface ships from Russia’s recently revamped Pacific Fleet in conducting a wide range of war games on the high sea.

    The agenda for the drills calls for test firing of various weapons to destroy targets, practice for naval replenishment while ships are under way, joint navigation through difficult waterways, and joint search-and-rescue operations, according to an announcement by Russia’s Pacific Fleet headquarters in Vladivostok. The drills will conclude with a naval parade.

    The objectives of this exercise are expected to be to show Sino-Russian unity in challenging the U.S.-led regional alliance surrounding the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese island chain; to form a united front to rebuff Japanese territorial demands in Russian-held “Northern Islands” and the hotly disputed Senkaku - called Diaoyu by the Chinese - islands, and to enhance the two navies’ interoperability.

    The Russian navy’s flagship for the exercises will be the guided-missile destroyer Varyag. The use of the Varyag destroyer serves as a not-so-subtle political message to the Japanese, who in 1904 forced the Russians to scuttle an original Czarist navy heavy cruiser also named the Varyag at nearby Chemulpo [Inchon] Bay during the Russo-Japanese War. Another Varyag is now China’s first operational aircraft carrier. It began sea trials earlier this year, triggering concern from regional states that the power projection platform will become a vehicle of Chinese coercion in the future.

    Perhaps the most provocative event of the upcoming drills will be the planned joint cruising voyage of a large mixed naval contingent of Chinese and Russian ships that will pass through the narrow Strait of Japan.

    However, the public expressions of mutual trust and friendship by Beijing and Moscow may hide some unspoken difficulties the two countries are facing with each other. China’s much more insistent attitude on supporting Pyongyang and much more stringent stance on territorial disputes with Japan and South Korea make Beijing a more eager partner in the joint exercise. Russia, by contrast, has shown signs indicating Moscow is somewhat wary of its Chinese ally and hopes to avoid being exploited in the exercises.

    In fact, one of the two Russian naval task forces slated to participate in the joint drills is on its way from the Gulf of Aden. While passing through the tense South China Sea two weeks ago, Moscow made a special point of ordering the task force, led by the anti-submarine destroyer Admiral Tributs, to pay a port call on Vietnam, the most formidable challenger to China’s expansive South China Sea claims.

    The Russian warships arrived in the port of Ho Chi Minh City April 6 and were met with a hero’s welcome from the Vietnamese, who are buying six Kilo-class diesel electric submarines from Moscow as part of a military buildup aimed at countering China’s naval threat.

    The Chinese were not happy about this Russian slight on the eve of the drills. “Russia should not be sending a wrong and ambiguous signal to the South [China] Sea at this particular time,” the official Chinese communist newspaper the Global Times stated bluntly in an editorial on April 11.

    Then there is the problem of choosing a language for communications during the joint drills. The Chinese want to use both Chinese and Russian. But Moscow rejected the idea, insisting on using only Russian as the language for the exercises. The Chinese were irritated by the demand but had no choice but to accept what can only be viewed as an insulting condition.

    On Monday, Russia’s official Itar-Tass news agency quoted a spokesman at the Russian Defense Ministry saying, “Russian and Chinese navies will use the Russian language to exchange information during an active phase of their joint naval exercise.

    “Such a decision was taken at the final consultations between the Russian and Chinese navies last week,” the spokesman said.

    TAIWAN RENEWS VOW TO PROSECUTE TRAITOR

    Justin Yifu Lin, senior vice president and chief economist of the World Bank, is still a wanted criminal in Taiwan, also known as the Republic of China, according to officials in Taipei.

    Lin can visit Taiwan to see relatives and friends, but he will also be arrested and tried in a military court if he does so, which has always been our policy,” said Taiwanese Defense Ministry spokesman David Lo to reporters Tuesday.

    Mr. Lin swam and defected to mainland China in 1979 while serving as an officer in the Taiwanese military. He then earned a master’s degree in Marxist political economy from Peking University and a doctorate from the University of Chicago. He has repeatedly expressed a desire to visit Taiwan, but the Taipei government wants to arrest and court-martial him for treason.

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    China has bought 55 Russian Mi-171

    12:10 22.08.2012.



    Beijing and Moscow RECENTLY POPTISALI SUPPLY AGREEMENT KNR "party of aero-engines"

    Moscow and Beijing have agreed that Russia extradite Chinese army multifunctional 55 Mi-171 - RF said federal service for military-technical cooperation.

    So far there are no details about this business or vrenosti about delivery dates.

    In the family class helicopter Mi-171, produced by Aviation Institute in the city of Ulan-Ude, there are Mi-171v, combi Mi-171A and military-transport Mi-171S helicopters.

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    The article is over year old and Gates is long gone, still an interesting take coming from Russia...


    The Americans will not give China Asia


    08:09 20.07.2011.

    Washington discovered that the Chinese consider it probable opponent ``



    Head of the Chinese Foreign Minister said Russia believes that Beijing "reliable hinterland against the background of confrontation with Washington" the only way to stop the U.S. empire is that China and Russia understand the danger they are in, and to form an unbreakable alliance that ensures India separates Germany from NATO and protects Iran.

    HEAD Pentagon Robert Gates admitted that U.S. allies in the region - the security conference in Singapore - that two simultaneous wars that lasted much longer than the original predictions, and Avnagnistanu in Iraq, Washington has faced "a harsh political and economic realities." Yet he explained: "Participation in the war two such prenapreglo our ground forces and patience of Americans spend their uspremnost for similar interventions in the future."

    Gates, of course, would not be the Minister of Defense to immediately below is said: "Despite all this, the U.S. will not leave you alone with China and its growing military power. Though President Obama ordered that military expenditures by 2023. Reduced by $ 400 billion dollars, America will keep all the military bases and military presence in the region. So: not removed from the obligations to protect their allies. contrary, will further strengthen the cooperation with Tokyo, Seoul, Canberra and Singapore. continue to send its troops to outposts ` positions tends to further expand military presence in Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean. "

    SUPERIORITY IN THE AIR AND SEAS

    Turning to Obama's spending cuts, Gates was unequivocal: "The Pentagon will find the money needed to keep American supremacy in the air and on the seas and applied to strike distant targets. Worrying about its potential for curbing nulkearno, espionage capabilities from space and in cyberspace. '

    Gates refused to answer a reporter's question: against whom is facing all the impressive military power in Asia? Maybe because it's next to him, naistoj press conference, the Chinese defense minister sat Lian Guan. However, immediately after the meeting in Singapore, "New York Times" wrote that China is the only country in Asia with the armed forces would be able to prevent American ships access to the most important maritime trade routes.

    NUCLEAR WAR WITH INDIA?

    For all this, Guan reacted as tactically, so typically Chinese. He said his country by weapons far behind the West, even for two generations, and that China is not a threat to anyone. It is still, perhaps, is indicative Gejtsov Chinese counterpart said that Russia considers "reliable hinterland against the background of confrontation with Washington." All in all, Gates is marked `` probable opponents in Asia, Beijing announced that it would do whatever it takes to strengthen its 'strategic partnership' with Moscow. In his meeting with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, he announced that the cooperation and coordination between the two countries in the international arena "to be brought to a new level '.

    China in 2011. increased its military spending by 12 percent. A `to this` brawls occurred only days after the most recent territorial tensions between China and Vietnam and China and the Philippines, on the occasion of islands in the South China Sea. I should point out that the U.S. is in such disputes take the side of the Chinese competitors and opponents?



    What is the solution to Washington for the growing power of China? - Attempted (Gates open than the New York Times) that the answers influential and well informed Paul Craig Roberts (the Global Research). He did not hide that the answer may be - drawing China into a nuclear war with India.

    BEIJING DEFEND PAKISTAN


    Neoconservatives, and increasingly the U.S. military leaders, considered the Taliban can not be conquered unless NATO does not expand the battlefield to Pakistan, where the Taliban are believed to have shelter under the protection of the Pakistani government, which takes American money but does not execute the commands of Washington - suggests Roberts. Liquidation of Osama Bin Laden, Pakistan has received a threatening message and ran to China. As soon as he arrived in Beijing 17th May, Prime Minister of Pakistan Jusaf Raza Gilani announced that China would be "the best and most loyal friend" of Pakistan. And China has built a port in Pakistan Geadar, which is near the entrance to Ormuski Strait (Strait), which might become a Chinese naval base in the Arabian Sea.

    Roberts also recalls that in 'Pakistan Tribune' (June 4) that was published in a recent lecture at Pakistan's National Defense University, Pakistan Ambassador to the U.S. Hussain Haqqani Pakistani officers asked whether the biggest threat to Pakistan came from within, from India, or from USA. Most of the officers replied that the U.S. is the biggest threat to Pakistan.



    China, concerned over India as well as other Asian giant whose power is growing, ready for alliance with Pakistan. In addition, China does not want Americans on its border, which would happen if the Americans would expand the battlefield and in Pakistan.

    Therefore, China showed its displeasure with the U.S. threat to Pakistan, and advised Washington to respect Pakistan's sovereignty, adding that any attack on Pakistan could be considered an attack on China.

    That's why the U.S. - continues Roberts - widely courting India, podilazeći her the most shameful ways, including the sacrifice of American jobs. For the same reason, the last time there was a massive U.S. arms sale to India, signing of agreements on military cooperation, and joint military exercises.

    RUSSIA ONLY REMAINS


    Roberts thoughts concluded as follows:

    "By eliminating China and India, the only thing left is Russia, which is already surrounded by U.S. missile bases and isolated from Europe by NATO, which now includes former constituent parts of the Soviet empire.

    A large percentage of young and reckless Russians loves the United States because of their "freedom" (eh if they only knew), and hates "authoritarian" Russian state, which is considered the continuation of the old Soviet state. These "internationalized Russians" will take the side of Washington, more or less forcing Moscow to surrender.

    As the rest of the world, with the exception of some parts of South America, but part of the American empire, handing Russia would allow the United States to concentrate its military might on South America. Chavez will be overthrown, and if others do not obey, there will be more examples.

    The only way to stop the U.S. empire is that China and Russia understand the danger they are in and form an unbreakable alliance. That ensures India separates Germany from NATO and protects Iran. Otherwise, the American Empire rule in the whole world. "

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    In 2000, an accord was reached between the leadership of Russia and China to work together for common goals and stop what they saw as an expansionist US. In 2001 a formal meet was done and here is an archive report of that:
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4215%2C5582215

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    I believe... if I am not mistaken.... I seem to recall hearing these words...

    After all, you don't call Russia our number one enemy - and not al Qaeda - unless you're still stuck in a Cold War time warp. You might not be ready for diplomacy with Beijing if you can't visit the Olympics without insulting our closest ally.
    Those words were uttered by Obama last night.

    "Closest ally".... CLOSEST? More like closet ally.
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    I just want to point out - if Al qaeda is our greatest enemy, what the hell is Russia and China?

    Al Qaeda isn't here stealing our secrets. The Russians and the Chinese however, are.
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    I believe... if I am not mistaken.... I seem to recall hearing these words...



    Those words were uttered by Obama last night.

    "Closest ally".... CLOSEST? More like closet ally.
    Yep. Heard that last night and found it both disturbing and insightful.

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    I found them disgusting.
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    If someone don't know
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Union

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    1996 SCO


    2009 Obama campaign

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    Hi Ilya,

    That is an interesting comparison of logos. The current slogan for the Obama campaign is "Forward". Forward is a common Communist slogan. What we have seen happening these last few years is a progressive change that Obama talked about as a candidate in 2008. He discussed empty platitudes of Hope and Change and said he was going to fundamentally transform America. Indeed, he has.

    The claims are we are no worse economically than in 2008. That may be true to a point, but that misses the issue. Obama has pushed so many policy shifts in our country that it is changed as he claimed. The issue is we should have had some improvement. This change toward a Communist state has not yielded fruit for anyone but the people who always take. There is no incentive for those takers to work or aspire to do more for more fruits of their labor.

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    Russia allows China to be the first foreign leader inside the Russian armed forces' operational command center over US Missile Defense Plan

    Mar. 23, 2013

    Chinese President Xi Jinping has confirmed that China and Russia share concerns about the United States' planned missile defense systems.

    Xi met Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Saturday, the second day of his visit to Russia.

    Russian sources say Xi and Shoigu were in complete agreement on international security issues, notably US missile defense. They plan to continue discussing the matter.

    Xi and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed on Friday to oppose the US strengthening its systems unilaterally and without limits.

    The two leaders say such plans would harm strategic security and international safety.

    Xi became the first foreign leader to be allowed inside the Russian armed forces' operational command center.

    Analysts say these moves are apparently intended to show off their strong ties to counter rising US influence in Asia.

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    With US-Russia Relationship Toxic, Moscow Looks To Strengthen Ties With China

    China's new President Xi Jinping chose Moscow, where he arrived Friday for a three-day visit, to be his first foreign destination, highlighting strengthening ties between China and Russia.

    March 22, 2013

    It's probably no coincidence that newly-minted Chinese leader Xi Jinping chose Moscow, where he arrived Friday for a three-day visit, to be his first foreign destination.

    Over the coming weekend Mr. Xi will huddle in the Kremlin with President Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, and other Russian officials to discuss the usual list of items on the two countries' burgeoning bilateral trade agenda: Russian gas, oil, arms, and engineering goods in exchange for Chinese consumer products. Official sources say they expect about 30 agreements to be signed, mainly in the field of energy.

    But underlying that is a growing sense that the two countries are being driven together by shifting geopolitical winds, which are alienating each from the West while intensifying the need for more reliable partnerships. As Xi arrived in Moscow Friday, Mr. Putin stressed that ties between Russia and China have never been stronger, and they are set to grow warmer still.

    "Our relations are characterized by a high degree of mutual trust, respect for each other's interests, support in vital issues. They are a true partnership and are genuinely comprehensive," Putin told the official ITAR-Tass agency.

    "The fact that the new Chinese leader makes his first foreign trip to our country confirms the special nature of strategic partnership between Russia and China," he added.

    In China's case, all the recent talk in the US of a "pivot to Asia" has Beijing worried that it may be in danger of being isolated by US pressure. China's standoff with Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands in the East China Sea, with the attendant danger of drawing in Japan's main ally, the US, could be focusing Chinese minds on the desirability of strengthening relations with Russia.

    Indeed, some Russian experts suggest that Xi will likely find a delicate moment to remind Putin that Moscow, too, sometimes gets exasperated with "Japanese bellicosity" in the matter of Russia's longstanding territorial dispute with Japan over the far eastern Kuril Islands which were seized by Soviet forces in the waning days of World War II.

    "The US is shifting its priorities from Europe to Asia. That suggests some sort of competition in this arena is inevitable," says Alexander Konovalov, president of the independent Institute of Strategic Assessments in Moscow.

    "Everyone is trying to find the strongest partners for this new situation, and Russia is one of the most desirable partners to have [for China]…. And this fits with the needs of Putin, who needs some dramatic successes in foreign policy at this point. He may well seek to forge a stronger partnership with China," he adds.

    From Sour To Toxic


    The pressures driving Russia to pivot eastward are even more clear.

    Over the past year Moscow's relations with Washington have turned from sour to toxic, and many policymakers in Moscow say they're no longer even interested in being friends.

    The European Union *– which is still, officially, listed as a top priority in Russia's foreign policy doctrine – is beset by financial crisis. It is actively working to reduce its dependence on Russian energy supplies and, to top it off, last week attempted to bail out banks on the Mediterranean island nation of Cyprus with a special tax that would have hammered thousands of rich Russians who keep bank accounts there.

    Russia and China have joined together to veto Western-sponsored resolutions in the UN Security Council that might enable outside involvement in Syria's ongoing civil war, and both tend to share a common allergy to all talk of "humanitarian intervention" in any of the world's trouble spots. Experts say they share similar views on how to contain the nuclear ambitions of North Korea, and also the need to prepare for instability emanating from Afghanistan after the US and NATO allies draw down their forces next year.

    "A number of things are converging at the same time," says Alexei Pushkov, chair of the State Duma's international affairs committee.

    "Countries like Russia and China look at the traditional power centers – the US and Europe – and see that these countries cannot provide answers. Everyone has the feeling that the old world order is finished. This cascade of events drives Russia and China further from reliance on the Euro-Atlantic world. After all, what kind of example do they provide if they just confiscate money from peoples' accounts?" he says.

    "Russia, China, the other BRICS countries, are looking for a new model…. It's not driven by some sort of anti-Western logic. There is a crisis of trust. There is a feeling that our countries are on their own. We don't have a point of reference anymore."

    Reasons For Russia-China Partnership


    On the other hand, Mr. Pushkov says, the positive logic for Russia-China partnership keeps growing.

    (And, if you're curious, read the Monitor's report on what China wants from Russia here)

    "We look at Beijing, and we don't hear them lecturing us about human rights and how to conduct democracy. There is no missionary element on either side. But there is strong economic incentive. The Chinese economy is a factory, and we have the energy to power that factory. That's a pretty solid basis," he says.

    Russia-China trade turnover has been growing steadily for years, and it jumped by more than 11 percent in 2012 from $88.1 billion the previous year. Official forecasts see it hitting $100 billion by 2015 and $200 billion by 2020.

    China now imports about 8 percent of its crude oil from Russia, most coming through the newly-built Skovorodino-Mohe pipeline, which runs to Daquing in northeast China.

    But the commodity that's likely to dominate talks this weekend is natural gas. Russia's state gas monopoly Gazprom agreed last year that it will construct a major new pipeline in the far east that could deliver up to 68 billion cubic meters of gas to China annually for 30 years. Among other things, such a deal might save Gazprom, whose profitability has been dropping as global gas prices fall and traditional customers in western Europe launch damaging court cases against what they allege are Gazprom's "anti-market" practices.

    Russian and Chinese negotiators have been haggling for years over the price of the gas and, although Chinese sources say they're hopeful of a breakthrough this weekend, the Russian side insists that no agreement is near enough to be settled during Xi's visit.

    Russia, formerly a major arms exporter to China, has lately been reluctant to sell its most sophisticated weaponry to the Chinese out of fears that they may be reverse-engineered and used to create Chinese products that could eventually compete with the Russian versions in international arms markets.

    But Russia has recently agreed to sell 24 advanced, multirole Sukhoi Su-35 fighters to China. And, according to a new report from the Carnegie Endowment, Moscow may now be willing to help China in areas where it lags technologically, such as aircraft engines.

    In the longer term, Russia desperately needs Chinese investment, labor, and expertise in its drive to develop its vast Siberian territories. But here, Russian experts say, is the biggest reason that despite all strong arguments for tighter relations, Russia may continue to hold China at arm's length: Siberia, though rich in resources, is virtually devoid of population. Next door China is teeming with people and explosive economic energies.

    In an interview with Russian state TV Thursday, Xi was emphatic in his insistence that all previous border disputes with Russia have been resolved "once and forever" and that China will never pose a military threat to anyone.

    This may be enough to calm Russian anxieties, at least for now.

    "We are facing major geopolitical challenges from the West all the time. But we don't hear anything from China that would make us worry," says Pushkov.

    "Of course, it might look different if China were to change, and become a more nationalistic and aggressive nation. But, for the time being at least, China has shown itself to be a moderate, reasonable power that we can work with."

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    After A Decade Long Wait, China And Russia Ink 'Super Jet' Military Deal

    March 25, 2013

    A recent official visit to Moscow brought back some new souvenirs for the Chinese military.

    How about a reported 24 Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets, and four submarines from Russia.

    China‘s new president Xi Jinping was in Russia this week to meet with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. Both sides agreed to two arms-sale contracts in which China will buy Russian Sukhoi made fighter jets, Xinhua and Agence France Press reported on Monday.

    China has been itching to buy the planes since the 1990s and has been in hot pursuit since last March.

    Russia’s Interfax confirmed the existence and date of that agreement back in February, but didn’t speculate on sales numbers. This month, official talks trimmed the order down to 24 planes from an initial discussion of 48 Sukhoi Super Flankers. The Russians are said to have more confidence that China can’t copy their engines, and are also said to need the SU-35 orders because Russia’s Defense Department is ordering follow-on buys of new upgraded Sukhoi SU-35s instead.

    The deals raised concern among some regional defense players — namely India. China Central Television reported on Sunday that the purchase deals were signed before President Xi Jinping’s ever stepped foot into Russia. The military deal marks the first time in a decade that China had bought large military technological equipment from Russia, according to official television.

    Meanwhile, the four Lada-class diesel-electric submarines will be jointly designed and built by both countries, with two of them to be built in Russia and the other two in China.

    “The Su-35 fighters can effectively reduce pressure on China’s air defense before Chinese-made stealth fighters come online,” Li Hong, secretary-general of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, said in a Xinhua newswire story. Li said the recent purchases and joint building plan serve as an indicator of the evolution of the overall China-Russian strategic partnership.

    “It is the natural, well-deserved fruit of bilateral defense cooperation, and both sides have made it clear that the bilateral strategic partnership is not targeting anyone,” Li said.

    The Sukhoi SU-35 is a single seat super maneuverable, acrobatic fighter plane. Russia is the only Air Force to fly the SU-35. At altitude, its top speed is Mach 2.25 compared to Mach 2 for the U.S. F-16 Fighting Falcon, another multirole fighter aircraft made by General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin. The SU-35 is designed by Sukhoi and built together with Komsomolsk Aircraft Production Association, aka KnAPPO, Russia’s largest aircraft maker. Both are part of United Aircraft Corporation.

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    China, Russia To Hold Largest-Ever Joint Naval Drills

    July 2, 2013

    China will join Russia later this week for its largest-ever naval drills with a foreign partner, underscoring deepening ties between the former Cold War rivals along with Beijing's desire for closer links with regional militaries.

    China has long been a key customer for Russian military hardware, but only in the last decade have their militaries begun taking part in joint exercises.

    China's Defense Ministry said Tuesday that its navy will send four destroyers, two guided missile frigates, and a support ship for the "Joint Sea-2013" exercises, which start Friday in the Sea of Japan and run through July 12. The ships departed Monday from the port of Qingdao, where China's Northern Fleet is based, headed for the rallying point in Peter the Great Bay near Vladivostok.

    "This marks our navy's single biggest deployment of military force in a China-foreign joint exercise," the ministry said.

    Gen. Fang Fenghui, the People's Liberation Army chief of the general staff, announced the exercises during a visit to Moscow, where he met with his Russian counterpart, Valery Gerasimov. The two also announced that another round of anti-terrorism joint drills would be held in Russia's Ural Mountain region of Chelyabinsk from July 27 to Aug. 15.

    In comments reported by the official Liberation Army Daily, Fang emphasized that outsiders should not consider the exercises threatening.

    "The joint drill conducted by the two militaries of China and Russia do not target any third parties. Their aim is to deepen cooperation between the two militaries in the training field, boost capacity in coordinating military activities, and serve the purpose of safeguarding regional security and stability," Fang said.

    China began deploying ships to the anti-piracy flotilla off the coast of Somalia in 2008 and in recent years its navy has joined in a series of joint drills in the Pacific and Indian oceans. Chinese land units also have taken part in border security and anti-terrorism exercises organized by the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

    Cooperation with the U.S. Navy, the predominant maritime force in the region, has been more limited, although China will take part next year in the U.S.-organized multinational Rim of the Pacific exercises, the world's largest maritime exercise.

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    Obama’s Putin Snub Puts New Focus On Moscow’s China Ties

    August 8, 2013

    When leaders of the G20 assemble in St Petersburg next month, all eyes will be on the body language between the host Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama, who this week snubbed the Russian leader by cancelling a separate summit in Moscow.

    But the cameras will also be keen to capture the chemistry between Mr Putin and Xi Jinping, the Chinese leader who has quietly encouraged the growing rapprochement between the two nations.

    Disenchanted by its recent dealings with Mr Putin, the Obama administration is publicly downgrading the sort of relationship it expects to have with Russia. Yet one unintended consequence of such an approach could be to push Russia and China closer together in ways that will not be helpful to US interests.

    “These days, Russian and Chinese leaders exchange more phone calls than either does with the US,” says Dimitri Simes, president of the Center for the National Interest, a Washington think-tank.

    US officials insist that the Russian decision to award asylum to Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor responsible for leaking some of Washington’s most closely held secrets, was not the only reason for the cancellation of the September summit in Moscow.

    With few concrete items on the agenda, they feared the summit would serve only as a useful photo opportunity for Mr Putin, who has cracked down on political opponents since his return to power last year.

    However, the new rift with Mr Putin represents a significant setback for an administration which had held high ambitions for its ability to do diplomatic business with Russia.

    In April, the then national security adviser Tom Donilon travelled to Moscow and delivered a personal letter to Mr Putin from Mr Obama outlining an agenda of issues the two countries could work together on.

    Mr Obama has made new reductions in nuclear weapons one of his key second-term goals, while US officials have talked about co-operation with Russia as the only path to resolving Syria’s civil war.

    As Mr Obama admitted last year when he was caught by a live microphone while talking to then Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, he hoped to have “more flexibility” after his re-election to talk about missile defence with Russia. Meetings between officials from both countries were mapped out to try and make progress on these and other issues.

    The White House’s decision to cancel the Moscow summit is recognition that it was making no progress with this agenda. While both countries had something to offer each other during Mr Obama’s first term – Russian help in Afghanistan, American support for Russian WTO membership – that cupboard now appears to be almost empty.

    “With none of the substance coming together, the White House could not let the president go to Moscow,” says Andrew Weiss, a former White House official and Russia expert at the Carnegie Endowment in Washington.

    Mr Obama is under pressure at home to take a tougher stance with Mr Putin, whose return to the presidency has brought a more abrasive approach towards the US. Politicians in both countries have retained a lot of muscle memory from their Cold War sparring and there are few of the economic ties that restrain the way that American and Chinese leaders deal with each other.

    As Mr Obama acknowledged in an interview with Jay Leno on Tuesday, the forthcoming Winter Olympics in Russia could provide a potential flashpoint. “I have no patience” for countries that “intimidate” gays and lesbians, he said in reference to Russian laws on homosexuality and their possible application at the Olympics.

    Amid such pressures, however, one important factor for the administration is the tone of relations between Russia and China. The two countries fought a brief war in 1969 and have a history of tension and rivalry. However, they have an ideological affinity in opposing Western interference in the affairs of other countries.

    Geopolitical shifts are also pushing them closer together. The US “pivot” towards Asia has encouraged China to foster its ties with Moscow, while slowing energy demand in Europe and the US shale gas revolution is forcing Russia to look for more Asian energy customers. Mr Putin’s first overseas visit on his return to the presidency was to Beijing, while Mr Xi’s first was to Moscow.

    According to Mr Simes, one possibility is the re-emergence of the triangular diplomacy of the 1970s, with Russia and China using the prospect of closer ties with each other to improve their leverage over Washington.

    “This will not be a formal alliance or a strategic partnership () but there is a feeling that they are more and more in the same boat and that they need to stick together to counteract the US,” he says.

    Such an approach might have particularly strong attractions for Russia. Fyodor Lukyanov, chief editor of the Moscow-based journal Russia in Global Affairs, said that “Russia’s future dilemma will be how to live in a world where China and the US are stronger and more important than Russia but Russia has to stay in between them”.

    “Russia is certainly pivoting towards China,” he added. “In the case of a real deterioration of US-Russia relations, Russia will have no choice but to lean more towards China.”

    From ‘reset’ to ‘overload’

    January 2009: US President Barack Obama takes office and proclaims his intention to “reset” relations with Russia. In March, Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, presents Sergei Lavrov, Russian foreign minister, with a red button meant to say “reset” in both Russian and English. However, the Russian word actually translates to “overload”.

    April 2009: Mr Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, then Russian president, resolve to co-operate on nuclear arms control at the Group of 20 summit.

    December 2009: Russia allows US and Nato troops a supply route through Russia to Afghanistan

    April 2010:
    Both sides sign the New Start Treaty to reduce nuclear arsenals

    November 2011: Mr Medvedev warns the US that a failure to take Russian objections to a planned Nato anti-missile shield will spark a new arms race and derail efforts to improve relations between Washington and Moscow

    December 2011:
    Vladimir Putin, Russia’s prime minister at the time, accuses Mrs Clinton of encouraging mass opposition protests in Moscow. “She set the tone that gave some of our activists inside the country a signal,” he says

    December 2012:
    US bars entry to Russian officials allegedly connected to the case of the lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, a whistleblower who died in police custody. The same month Mr Putin, now president again, bans the adoption of Russian orphans by Americans

    August 2013: Former NSA contractor Edward Snowden is given temporary asylum in Russia after spending several weeks holed up in Sheremeyevo airport in Moscow. Mr Obama cancels talks with Mr Putin while a White House statement lists other areas of dispute including missile defence, arms control and human rights. “There have been times where they slip back into cold war thinking and a cold war mentality,” says Mr Obama.

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