What if Moveon.org existed 65 years ago?

**American Patriot** · September 14th, 2007, 20:07

**Aplomb** · September 15th, 2007, 16:20

But they can't do it alone:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09132007...a_hefty_di.htm

TIMES GIVES LEFTIES A HEFTY DISCOUNT FOR 'BETRAY US' AD

By CHARLES HURT Bureau Chief

MARKED DOWN:Sen. John Cornyn, at a Senate hearing on Tuesday, holds up an ad in The New York Times slamming Gen. David Petraeus. MoveOn.org got more than half off the regular price for the ad.

September 13, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - The New York Times dramatically slashed its normal rates for a full-page advertisement for MoveOn.org's ad questioning the integrity of Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq.

Headlined "Cooking the Books for the White House," the ad which ran in Monday's Times says Petraeus is "a military man constantly at war with the facts" and concluded - even before he testified before Congress - that "General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us."

According to Abbe Serphos, director of public relations for the Times, "the open rate for an ad of that size and type is $181,692."

A spokesman for MoveOn.org confirmed to The Post that the liberal activist group had paid only $65,000 for the ad - a reduction of more than $116,000 from the stated rate.

A Post reporter who called the Times advertising department yesterday without identifying himself was quoted a price of $167,000 for a full-page black-and-white ad on a Monday.

Serphos declined to confirm the price and refused to offer any inkling for why the paper would give MoveOn.org such a discounted price.

Citing the shared liberal bent of the group and the Times, one Republican aide on Capitol Hill speculated that it was the "family discount."

"I'm surprised they had to pay anything at all for the ad," the GOP staffer said. "They could have just asked the editorial page to run it and it wouldn't have cost them a cent."

churt@nypost.com

**Aplomb** · September 15th, 2007, 16:45

And the first one to take advantage of all of this is Rudy Giuliani. There are reasons not to like the guy, but this is the very reason that I do like him and will support him if it comes down to it. He doesn't have to think about what to say or do, he just blasts away. As was stated on Fox last night. The first rocket was fired, by Rudy Giuliani, and it hits Hillary Clinton.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296818,00.html

Rudy Giuliani Places NYT Ad Taking Hillary Clinton to Task Over MoveOn.org Ad

Friday, September 14, 2007

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani criticized Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton in a full-page ad in Friday's New York Times, accusing her of attacking Iraq war commander Gen. David Petraeus' character.

The ad paid for by the Giuliani's campaign attempts to link Clinton to another ad, paid for by MoveOn.org, a liberal anti-war group, that ran in the Times on Monday. The MoveOn ad accused Petraeus of "cooking the books" on the Iraq war and played off his name, asking, "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?"

Responding to Giuliani's criticism, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer said Giuliani "supports George Bush's Iraq policy and believes it is working.
"Senator Clinton knows it isn't and will keep up her efforts to end the war," Singer said. "She believes the best way to honor our heroes in Iraq is to bring them home."

Meanwhile, MoveOn's political action committee will begin airing a new ad on television Monday that accuses Bush of a "betrayal of trust." The ad will run from Monday to Friday in Washington on cable and nationally on CNN. The total ad buy is $60,000.

The MoveOn TV ad argues that, despite plans to withdraw about 30,000 troops added to the U.S. military presence in Iraq earlier this year, Bush remains mired in the war.

"Now he's making a big deal about, you guessed it, pulling out 30,000 troops," the ad states. "So next year, there will still be 130,000 troops stuck in Iraq. George Bush. A betrayal of trust."

Giuliani's ad in the Times quotes the GOP candidate as saying, "These times call for statesmanship, not politicians spewing political venom."

The Giuliani accuses Clinton, a New York senator, of participating in a "character attack" against Petraeus, citing her comments during a congressional hearing that the general's progress report on Iraq required a "willing suspension of disbelief."

Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker told Congress that while Iraq remains mostly dysfunctional, violence has decreased since the influx of 30,000 additional troops earlier this year.

A conservative group, Freedom's Watch, which supports President Bush's Iraq war strategy, also plans a print ad in the Times and has demanded the same $65,000 rate that the liberal group paid for its full-page ad. Giuliani is getting the same rate.