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    This evening the Supervisors over Prince William County, Virginia are taking public comment on funding the July 10 resolution that was unanimously passed allowing police and other law enforcement agencies to check immigration status in the event of an infraction or ticket citation. This can prompt deportation if found to be illegal.

    This issue has spurred much emotional response and a greater sense of thoughtful logic. As I am observing this county meeting, I can cite that there are some rather interesting - though not unexpected things happening. Still, I will leave it to the local paper to describe the scene as this is food for thought. Note the highlighted sections and I have further comment after the article.

    http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/S...53134676&path=




    PWC anti-illegal immigrant vote expected go into the night
    Potomac News
    Tuesday, October 16, 2007



    Hundreds of opponents of the anti-illegal immigration resolution gathered outside the the McCoart building to make their voices heard, as did about 20 supporters of the resolution. (Staff Photo/Dylan Moore).
    About 1, 500 people are gathered outside of the Prince William County seat in anticipation of a vote on a controversial anti-illegal immigration resolution.
    More than 200 people have signed up to testify at the board of supervisors meeting, which could last into the night. Each person has three minutes to speak.

    The McCourt administration building is at capacity and county police aren't letting anyone in unless they have signed up to speak.


    The atmosphere outside of the McCoart Administration Center was that of a carnival with 1,500 to 2,000 people chanted "Si se puede" or "Yes we can" while waving little U.S. flags.

    Four men sold ice cream from little green push carts while people perused the pamphlets and books on a table set up by the Socialists Workers Party.


    A woman who would only give her first name of Janice, sat at the table with Malcom X and Che Guevara biographies, The communist Manifesto, and a newspaper entitled the Militant.


    Janice said she was at McCoart to "support the struggle."


    "We're here to find out what people are thinking and to make our voices heard as well to rescind this anti-immigrant resolution," Janice said.


    Sue Frankel-Streit came from Louisa County dressed as Lady Liberty to protest the resolution.


    Frankel-Streit said she opposes the resolution because of the strife it would cause in the community.

    "I think it creates division in the community and diverts a lot of taxpayer's money that could be used for other things," Frankel-Streit, 43, said. "It creates an atmosphere of fear in the community."

    Joyce Young, of Woodbridge, stood with a little group of people wearing Help Save Manassas stickers and said she supported the resolution because she sees it as an "attempt to protect to community."

    Young said she didn't want tax dollars going to pay for illegal immigration.

    The resolution is aimed at denying county services to illegal immigrants and directs police to jail those who cannot provide documentation proving they are in the U.S. legally.


    Speakers are expected to address the board into the night.


    As the meeting got underway at 2 p.m ., Chairman Corey A. Stewart, R-at large, told speakers they would have one minute to talk.


    Supervisor Maureen S. Caddigan, R-Dumfries, appealed his decision, pointing out that Stewart had sent mailers to all county residents inviting them to attend the meeting and give their comments. She said they should be given the customary three minutes to do so.

    The board voted 6-2 to overrule the chairman and give speakers three minutes. Stewart and Supervisor John T. Stirrup, R-Gainesville, who introduced the immigration resolution, were the only officials to vote to limit them to one minute.

    Stewart, has been criticized by fellow board members for sending the invitation to every county resident. He and Stirrup have been the main proponents of the resolution.



    Of interesting note, Mexicans Without Borders is a registered tax exempt group, yet they are not following the requirements needed to maintain that status. They are here with a a lawsuit having been lodged against the county by them. Many of the people who contest the July 10 resolution are wearing supplied t shirts of green color that state, "Not with my taxes, Not in my name. Rescind the Resolution".


    The issue not against a people or race. It is against those who do not follow the law, no matter where they are from. This resolution has been called a racist action, but those who are making that an issue are those who are against the passing of it. It's as if it is a last ditch scheme of the desperate - or a socialist argument to detract from the real issue at hand.


    It was recently cited in the Los Angeles times that LA County spends 1 Billion annually on services to illegal immigrants. Yes... Billion.


    Prince William County has nowhere near the budget as LA and is currently estimated to be spending 43 Million annually. This at a time when the State of Virginia is in a deficit and is reducing funding for law enforcement.



    A similarity between LAC and PWC is MS13, drugs, and crime in general. Certainly not all illegal immigrants are committing crimes in addition to entering illegally, but there is a significant number who do.


    So, if that 43 Million were available to fund law enforcement, then matters of crime could be better addressed.



    The above article cites over 200 people signed to speak at the meeting. That is locals in the county. Out of county people have their speak afterwards. No clear number is cited at this point for the out of county folks, but there are between 1500 and 2000 people outside.

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    Default Re: Virginia's Prince William County resolution against Illegal immigration

    Someone is always willing to tell others how they have to live rather than concentrate on their own lives. The communist connection with illegal immigration is well established and doesn't surprise me at all. I'm willing to bet there are money trails to that "Mexicans Without Borders" group that go directly to Hugo Chavez. I'm also willing to bet that further investigation would uncover some very crooked dealings with current Dems in office. But that's opinion and shouldn't be considered as fact in the least.

    The facts are simple in this case. They don't have to pass legislation since it's already required by federal law to report illegals. The "outsiders" are troublemakers that wish to bully another community that they don't even pay taxes to. It's real simple... Deny voice to the outsiders since they are not taxpayers, report the illegals as required by federal law, and call it a day.
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    Update:

    The resolution passed at about 2am after about 400 people had their 3 minutes each. This was a 12 hour day on a high profile decision. The supervisors voted all yes' to fund the resolution that will provide training to law enforcement over 5 years at a cost of about 14.3 million.

    It was truly an emotional night in Prince William County and despite the many lawsuits now being waged, Fairfax County is now said to be looking at a similar measure.

    To all who consider this as a profiling or racist matter, please understand that it is not. It is simple. Illegal immigrant means someone who entered the country without following the proper means of entering. A legal system of entering does exist, though understandably it requires a wait or a technical skill set needed in this country.

    Police will not be going house to house. That is simply ridiculous to consider. Simply, in the event one encounters an officer and they cannot provide proof of residency, they will be detained, and if further lack of proof continues, they will be turned over to ICE.

    Certainly, not all people who are here illegally are out to commit further crimes or even take from the legal resident tax payers through services, but unfortunately the proof is available that a rather large portion of the undocumented do indeed tax the resources of local communities. As I wrote before, $1 Billion in Los Angeles County and $43 Million in the much smaller community of Prince William County annually. Localities simply cannot afford to support those figures. Los Angeles has decaying roads and services and has been enduring this influx for far longer than PWC. The locals here see it.

    In an ideal world no one would want for anything, but we live in reality. My best suggestion to those who would look to come illegally is to examine your own home country and see what you can do to make it better, as opposed to just running away. It can be done and is being done by some in other countries.

    The US had a revolution and a Civil war many years ago, but these days we act as larger groups of individuals to enact change. This can happen anywhere, especially so in places that have open elections.

    Its a mindset. Pick who will empower you with opportunity and not who will subsidize your life.

    Here is the local paper on this matter:






    Pr. William board approves the resolution
    Keith Walker
    Potomac News
    Tuesday, October 16, 2007



    Hundreds of opponants of the anti-illegal immigration resolution gathered outside the the McCoart building to make their voices heard, as did about 20 supporters of the resolution. (Staff Photo/Dylan Moore).
    The Prince William Board of County Supervisors voted early Wednesday to train seven police officers enforce immigration law and authorized funding to do so.

    There is about $325,000 in the police department's budget for the program that will cost $14.2 million over five years.


    The board also directed staff to create a public outreach program to educate people about the resolution and its implementation, form a relationship with a non-partisan consulting group to provide consultation and evaluation of the police policy.


    The resolution further directed staff to report on the progress of the consulting group.


    As a result of the board's vote, some county services will be denied to illegal residents that include substance abuse programs in the Prince William-Manassas regional jail, services to allow illegal elderly to stay in homes and, aging in-home care, business, tax relief programs for the elderly and disabled tax relief programs, tax exemptions for home renovations and rental and mortgage assistance programs.


    Supervisor Michael C. May, R-Occoquan, cautioned people that the resolution would solve the of illegal immigration problem in Prince William County.


    "It's going to make a difference a positive difference," May said.
    May told the audience that people didn't need to fear that police would be "kicking in doors."


    "I hope that the community will continue to work with us," May said. "I want every citizen to know that my office is going to be open to hear from you as we continue to implement this."


    Supervisor Hilda M. Barg, said the public education portion of the resolution would help eased the fear in the community.

    "We're not going to be knocking on your doors or locking up your children," Barg told the room full of immigrants.

    "We're not going to be stopping the mother at the grocery store. We're not going to be stopping someone that's getting a cup of coffee at the 7-Eleven just because of your skin color," Barg said.


    More that 375 people signed up to express their views on the anti-illegal immigration resolution that Prince William Supervisor John T. Stirrup proposed in July.

    Those in favor of the resolution, that sought to deny certain county services to illegal immigrants, said they didn't want tax money used by illegal immigrants.

    Those opposed said they paid taxes.

    Those in favor said the resolution wasn't about race.

    The opposition asked how could it be otherwise.

    Those in favor said the resolution was about being in the county illegally.

    The opposition said people couldn't be illegal.

    There was little room for the two sides to find common ground.

    The crowd inside and outside the board chambers at the McCoart was largely made of people opposed to the resolution.

    They applauded those with whom they agreed and jeered those who had other views in spite of repeated requests from Prince William Chairman Corey A. Stewart, R-at large,to refrain from such demonstrations.

    More than 200 people remained after 12 hours of public comment.
    Keith Walker can be reached at 703-878-8063

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    A video was on the newspaper page and is of note.

    It will spawn a player such as Windows Media Player when clicked.

    mms://wmvod.mgnetwork.com/vod/imd/20071016immigration.wmv

    or

    http://wmvod.mgnetwork.com/vod/imd/2...mmigration.wmv

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