Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War

[American Patriot]

Iran unveils nuclear progress, defying US-EU pressure

By Marc Burleigh | AFP – 25 mins ago

• Enlarge PhotoAn image grab from Iran's state-run Press TV shows centrifuges at the Nantanz nuclear …
• Enlarge PhotoAn image grab from Iran's state-run Press TV shows President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad …

Iran announced new strides in its nuclear programme on Wednesday in a defiant blow to US and EU pressure to rein in its atomic activities, and amid signs of an increasingly vicious covert war with Israel over the issue.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad unveiled on state television what was described as Iran's first domestically produced, 20-percent enriched nuclear fuel for Tehran's research reactor.
He said 3,000 more centrifuges had been added to his country's uranium enrichment effort, and officials said new-generation, high-capacity centrifuges had been installed in Iran's Natanz facility.
And he ordered Iran to "go build" four more nuclear research reactors.
Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation chief Fereydoon Abbasi Davani also said that uranium exploration in Iran had been stepped up and a new yellowcake processing factory would be "pre-launched" sometime over the next 13 months.
The developments underlined Tehran's determination to forge ahead with nuclear activities despite tough sanctions from the West -- and despite speculation that Israel or the United States could be months from launching military strikes against Iran.
Iran portrayed the advances as evidence it was only interested in peaceful nuclear goals, under the slogan "nuclear energy for all, nuclear weapons for none."
But the steps challenged four sets of UN sanctions and a raft of unilateral US and EU sanctions designed to halt a programme much of the West fears masks a drive for atomic weapons.
Israel -- the Middle East's sole but undeclared nuclear power which feels its existence is threatened by a nuclear Iran -- is widely held to have been carrying out clandestine acts against its arch foe.
Those acts have included the murder of four Iranian scientists by unidentified motorbike assailants in the past two years and the deployment of a highly sophisticated computer virus, Stuxnet, which damaged many of Iran's centrifuges.
Israel has neither confirmed nor denied its involvement in those acts.
But it has accused Iran of targeting its diplomats in India, Georgia and Thailand this week after bomb attacks or plots uncovered in those countries.
One Israeli diplomat in New Delhi was gravely hurt when a bomb attached to her car blew up. In Bangkok, two Iranians were in custody, including one who lost both his legs to a bomb he tried to throw at police, and another was arrested after flying to Malaysia.
"Iran's terrorist activities have been exposed to everyone," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said. "Aggression like this, if it is not stopped, will end up in spreading."
Iran has denied any role in those incidents.
Observers, though, see possible payback occurring. They believe Iran and Israel could now be caught up in a cycle of retribution that each has condemned as "terrorism" by the other side.
Attempts to defuse the soaring tensions through dialogue appear to be making little headway.
Iran has repeatedly said it is ready to resume talks with world powers that collapsed a year ago.
On Wednesday, it finally replied to a letter sent nearly four months ago by EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton proposing a return to the talks.
"Iran welcomes the readiness of the P5+1 group to return to negotiations in order to take fundamental steps toward further cooperation," chief nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili wrote in the letter, according to the official IRNA news agency.
Ashton's spokeswoman confirmed the letter had been received and that EU officials were "carefully studying" it and consulting with the powers concerned.
The P5+1 consists of the five permanent UN Security Council members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- and Germany.
Thus far, Russia and China have stood by Iran, criticising the Western sanctions on it as a barrier to the talks and refusing to comply with them.
But there were indications that the support could be weakening, at least in Russia.
"We are concerned that the distance that separates Iran from the hypothetical possession of technologies to create nuclear weapons is contracting," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said.
"The Iranian side is indeed making progress in its nuclear programme," he told the specialised journal Security Index.
The International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN's nuclear watchdog, is to send a high-level team back to Tehran next week to discuss suspicions Iran is working towards atomic weapons.
IAEA officials were last in Tehran at the end of January but their talks were inconclusive. As one diplomat at IAEA headquarters in Vienna said, the Iranians "quite cleverly stonewalled for three days."
Iran's economy is showing meanwhile the strains of the West's economic sanctions.
The rial has slumped against the dollar in black market trade, boosting costs for goods already victims of high inflation officially put at 21 percent and unofficially around 30 percent.
Iran said on Wednesday it was considering cutting oil sales to six EU countries in retaliation for an EU ban on Iranian oil being phased in over the next four months, sending oil prices soaring.
But it would not do so "at the moment," the Arabic-language broadcaster Al-Alam reported, quoting foreign ministry officials.
Unperturbed European officials said they were looking for other suppliers anyway, mainly Saudi Arabia, which has promised to make up any shortfall in the market from curbed exports from Iran.

[American Patriot]

Well, no, I don't mean that. I mean that in the cold war there were specific triggers we would be watching for to indicate the Soviets were about to do something stupid.

There is no "Cold War" with the Soviet Union but there certainly IS a Cold War with Russia, China and other Communist nations, and those connected and associated with them. That includes North Korea, Venezuela, and MOST ME countries that ties with Russia, China and North Korea. In particular Iran.

Point being the stuff is coming to a head and its going to blow a hole through the roof of Civilization.

[American Patriot]

Maybe... but to me anything other than some kind of an EMP, out right invasion or take down of the economy is bordering on nothing more than speculation and conspiracy theory.

[AGEUSAF]

I think the Iran is going to happen. I can't Imagine Israel taking out Iraq and Syria's facilities and letting Iran of all people have them...I just don't think that of all people they would let them have them.

If we make it to the fall and Obama is clearly going to win then Israel goes for it (I am not certain they can do a 100% job either). Why wait and see because this administration isn't going to help them now and especially not in a second term.

[American Patriot]

You mean, until something happens, right?

We'll find ourselves in another '9-11'/Pearl Harbor situation once again with our collective pants down.

No, I don't mean "until something happens".

When something happens the conspiracy theorists come out of the wood work.

No, we will have an EMP, or an out right invasion.

There will be small terrorist attacks in our country - as usual. There MIGHT be something ramping up with Iran right now and we're doing absolutely NOTHING about it because, like YOU, Obama believes we should "leave them alone".

So be it.

[American Patriot]

For the last time. I am NOT confusing some other country's national security with ours.

YOU are.


it's OURS I'm concerned about and it's NOT time to "leave them alone", it's NOT time to "apologize" for "accidentally burning the Koran".

it's time to kick Iran's ass and tell Afghanistan to pound sand up their asses when it comes to the Koran and Sharia Law.

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Egyptian Official: War with Israel, US in Three Months

MEMRI: Egyptian presidential candidate declared that Egyptian Army will engage in armed warfare against Israel, US, EU within three months.
By Rachel Hirshfeld First Publish: 2/21/2012, 4:52 PM


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Israel news photo: MemriTV.org

Egyptian Presidential Candidate Tawfiq Okasha declared last week that the Egyptian Army will engage in armed warfare against Israel, the United States and the European Union within three months.

The declaration, made in a segment translated into English by The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) on February 9, Okasha slso said that "like the Nazis, the Jews aim to rule and own the world.”

“Hitler’s principle was that the best race must become master of the world… Hitler established German Nazism to rule and own the world. On the other hand, we find that this is precisely the same philosophy as that of the Israelites and the Jews who say: we are the Semitic people, we are the best in the world, and we must rule and own the world, because the Semites are the kings of the earth and all that is upon it,” he said.

“Hitler knew that the Jews uphold the same ideology…. Hitler believed that the Germans were the masters of the world, whereas the Jews believed that they are the masters of the world.”

“Thus, a battle ensued. Either the Jews would destroy Hitler, so that they would be able to continue pursuing their goals of ruling the world, or else, Hitler would annihilate the Jews…”

He continued to state that, “Hitler was defeated because the Jews conducted a clandestine battle against him. Two if Hitler’s advisors were working for the Jews… Hence, the Jews managed to get close to Hitler, by means of his closest advisors.”

Addressing the interviewer, he asked, “See how long the Jews have been conspiring against the world? Since the end of WWII.”

It seems quite inaccurate, though, that he is blaming the Jews of “conspiring against the world” only “since the end of “WWII.” After all, weren’t those the same accusations used by Nazi propaganda prior to the onset of the war, and in fact, for hundreds and hundreds of years?

He then went on to say that Israel, America and the European Union are planning to destroy three institutions in Egypt with “exceptional malice,” namely the Egyptian general intelligence agency, the Egyptian armed forces, and the Egyptian military intelligence.

He then declared, “as of today, the war effort of the people has begun.

This is essential, a war effort!”

“This is a fierce and bitter battle which began without any shooting, but will end with shooting. I say this here and now, the Egyptian army will open fire on the armies of the enemies,” he proclaimed.

When asked exactly when an armed war would begin, he replied, “within three months.”

[American Patriot]

I don't know whether you're confusing some other country's national security for your own or not, or whether you would recognize the situation as being that or not, it doesn't really matter.

Sometimes, Michael, folks are actually in a better position to see a bigger picture than those who've developed a very narrow sense of the world. So I would say, that I certainly recognize what is "national security" related much better, than say... you.

As I'm saying we should be like the Swiss, who don't get involved in others affairs and everybody thinks the cost is too high to mess with them-amazingly they have good relations with everybody.

Amazingly, we're NOT the Swiss and we're nothing like them.

How could you possibly convince yourself that my position-which was that of the Founding Fathers-is putting another country's national security ahead of my own?

I'm honestly unsure where you're going with that statement. Somehow you've attributed something to me which isn't true. The so called "Israel-First" bullshit. I do not believe any such thing and therefore since it isn't true, your argument has succeeded only in showing your own ignorance.

The fact of the matter is that Israel is a Westernized country sitting in a sea of barbarians and barbaric behaviors, with the leader of Iran stating that "Israel should be wiped from the face of the Earth".

Somehow you consider that "fighting among the children" - when Iran calls them "the Small Satan" and the US the "Great Satan".

Anything that happens to Israel first will be target practice for them against the United States later.

THAT right there is a National Security Issue.

I will advise you not to bother insulting me again with those kinds of remarks (calling me an Israel Firster). It's an insult and it's anti-Semitic.

Then you divert things by talk of kicking Iran's ass and Afghanistan's too...

Umm "divert"? No, that would be YOU. Look at the title of the thread, Michael.

Why not just leave everybody the hell alone and make the consequences of them not leaving us alone in return too grim for them to bear?

I'll give you an example. You're a kid walking through the school yard. The school bully is picking on two smaller kids, taking their lunch money. You KNOW it is WRONG and yet, you choose to "stay out of it" because you don't want to bother the bully. You're reasonably certain the little kids COULD take the bully if they wanted to but are pretty sure they don't know karate and you're also reasonably sure the bully carries a knife too.

So you leave them alone and go your own way.

The following week after taking the little kids' lunch monies, the bully and his buddies stop you. You're much bigger, you know karate but there's several of them and they want YOUR lunch money now.

The little kids are now being ignored, so they are going to help you.

You're on your own now.... All it would take is a few well placed kicks to win this - but, honestly, why would you wait until it got that far?

All one of the extra guys has to do is blind side you.

Apply that to this real life situation and you can see that it's not a matter of "leaving them alone", it's a matter of asserting the strength of one stronger "kid on the block" to prevent the "bullying" which eventually will turn violent and not just against the "little kid on the block" but against the big kid too.

They and their problems would stay over there-or they get their lands glassed over-and we trade and have good relations with everyone like we used to before we became Riyadh and Tel Aviv's little bitch.

There biggest problem with your statement is simple mindedness. We've never "glassed over" anyone's country before and most likely will not unless someone else launches such an attack on us first.

By then, it's too late.

Somehow I don't get your thinking on the part about us being anyone's bitch. If ANYTHING we're Islam's bitch now. Because we won't stand up to them.

They fight their own battles and we concentrate on things like our border with Mexico....You know, OUR national security. If they threaten to cut off our energy supply, well, we just go beyond fossil fuels. If we can go to the Moon, surely we can provide new and better forms of energy for our society.

OUR National Security isn't just our borders Michael. I'm sorry - but you just don't get it. I've worked with the government for over 36 years now. I've been there, been to foreign countries and have seen first hand what "national security" issues can affect us thousands of miles away.

Our border is a SMALL thing in comparison to Iran getting a nuclear weapon - because it won't stop with one. And our border security won't stop a nuke from getting in here if that was ALL we concentrated on.

What the hell would your problem be with that?

IF Islam wasn't so antagonistic to Westerners, threatened us daily with things like beheading and murder - simply because to them we are unbelievers (infidels) then my argument might be moot.

Unfortunately, this isn't about US bothering THEM, it's about THEM trying to take over our civilization, force Sharia Law upon us all, kill those of us who refuse to convert, and in general destroy America and all western Civilization.

So my PROBLEM is that like you I want to be left alone and stay out of other countries' "problems", but unlike you I have a distinct vision of what reality is and I can see what's happening in front of face.

I think you will find that most of the folks on here see the same issues with leaving "the Middle East Alone".

it just isn't going to happen.

[American Patriot]

Just like there were and are Nazi Racists and White Supremacists out there, there are Jewish Supremacists out there too, like the followers of the late Rabbi Kahane for example, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist for one side to find 'reasons' to loathe the other. This guy knows what excites his Moslem base, the guy running for office in Egypt, that's all.

Like I said, there are no rational political groups on any side in the Middle East. Like Netanyahu calling for 'death to all Arabs'.....All these groups rhetoric and actions escalate the tensions and make lasting peace impossible until one side or the other, or both, are in smoking ruin.

Michael.... you're entitled to your opinion, but so am I.

you're taking the side of these fucks in Egypt and Hitler?

[American Patriot]

Michael said:

Geez no, didn't you read where I said there wasn't any rational actors in the Middle East region?

Sure, I saw it. I also saw, posted before that the following....

full context of what you said follows, highlights are mine.

Just like there were and are Nazi Racists and White Supremacists out there, there are Jewish Supremacists out there too, like the followers of the late Rabbi Kahane for example, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist for one side to find 'reasons' to loathe the other. This guy knows what excites his Moslem base, the guy running for office in Egypt, that's all.

Obviously you believe the following as well:

He continued to state that, “Hitler was defeated because the Jews conducted a clandestine battle against him. Two if Hitler’s advisors were working for the Jews… Hence, the Jews managed to get close to Hitler, by means of his closest advisors.”

Addressing the interviewer, he asked, “See how long the Jews have been conspiring against the world? Since the end of WWII.”

Logic says that if the Israelis were really "conspiring" against the Arabs since WWII - that's over 65 years by the way, WWII last 4 years roughly - don't you think there would actually have been some accomplishment on the part of the Israelis that might be of substance.

After all, they have been asking, begging, warning and even fighting since the beginning of their country for the Arabs to leave them the fuck alone.

So far, the Arabs have NOT left them "the fuck alone".

Now, why should we (the United States) start NOW leaving them alone when it is in OUR BEST INTEREST to prevent a nuclear weapon from getting in the hands of mad men?

[American Patriot]

It is not my business but:




Do not think the Swiss is unarmed, try to invade them and see.
Unless you (or whatever) strike them with nukes you will not get out of swiss easily.

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Second problem:

Israelis ARE Arabs, behave like Arabs, Religiously fondamentalists like Arabs, fight like Arabs.

If you ask to ordinary people :"Who is a Jew?"

Ordinary people answer :"I personally know Tom,he is Jewish."

If you ask to ordinary people :"Who is a Israeli?"

Israelis?!Those fuck...g ARABS that like to fight each other in a never ending war,putting in trouble the entire World...one does settlements the other fire missiles...

People see Israel as Arab country.

Peterle... *I* know this. Many American's and others believe the Swiss are unarmmed. If I recall correctly, they have a law that states every household SHALL own a rifle. This was what the Brits used to do.

Americans did it by default. Even before the we were a country and only British colonies.

I know better. I wish you folks would give me some credit for having some intelligence.

I'm not as some like to portray me. I don't make shit up, I don't LIE, and I sure as hell KNOW what I'm talking about 99% of the time. I DO research things I don't know about before I comment.

[American Patriot]

By the way, I DO NOT see Israel as an "Arab country".

[American Patriot]

I've been involved, sometimes intimately with policy decisions in the past. I know for a fact that some foreign policy decisions are based solely upon the guy in office at the time.

The President is the guy who dictates those policies occasionally he might even have the help of a cabinet member or some lawyer.

I don't for a second believe that any ONE person is responsible for the "pickle" America is in.

But IN IT we are.

If you do something wrong and get yourselves over your head in a mortgage, do you simply WALK AWAY? Do you pay your bill like an honest person? Do you give up and let the bank take your property leaving you with a horrible credit account in the future (many YEARS) in the future?

I don't know what you do, but *I* do the "Right thing".

Sometimes the right thing is understanding where you screwed up and fixing it.

That doesn't mean walking out on Israel. Or even the UK for that matter.

I've merely been attempting to make the point that we as Americans all have our own personal ideas of the "way things should be" (or more clearly, "If I were King")

The problem is NONE of us have a say in it outside of being politicians.

It's up to us to make our voices known.

My opinion is pretty damned clear, and it is in complete opposition to Michael and perhaps Peterle on what should be done about Israel.

Personally, if they ask, I think we should help.

At least in ways that benefit us, which is what 99% of previous presidents have done. In WAYS that BENEFIT the USA.

That's how it works.

[American Patriot]

'When you're in a hole, stop digging.' applies in this case of America's foreign policy mistakes.

I agree, that's a fix. That doesn't mean you necessarily climb out of the hole right away if you had a reason for digging it.

Nothing Israel asks for has ever been to America's benefit, nor Israel's for that matter.

I think that is an opinion, and I don't think you can point to specifics at this point, any more than I can point to anything they have ever asked for.

Those bullets and rockets the Israelis fired at the USS Liberty had 'made in America' all over them. You may conveiniently forgot those American deaths at Israeli hands, and the younger generation hardly even knows of it, but I remember. And I remember that 'Israel-firster' Jonathan Pollard's spying that got Americans killed also and the 'Lavon Affair' too.

The USS Liberty was a mistake. It's a Conspiracy Theory to make the "Jews look evil". I'm surprised you've bought into this theory. The truth behind this was that there was mistaken identity of the ship, the US was likely there and shouldn't have been right where it was.

BUT, mistakes happen. We've killed a lot of people accidentally and apologized for it.

Israel is not America's friend and ally, It is it's own friend and ally. Don't beilieve for one second that Israel wouldn't ditch America for Russia and China if it suited their purposes.

Again, YOUR opinion. I happen to know better from personal experience. Sorry Michael, they come to the US all the time to cooperate on many levels.

[American Patriot]

And we expected anything less than this? The way Obama and Company has treated the Israelis of late?

I would expect nothing less from them now.

[American Patriot]

Do you remember the Six Days War Michael?

I remember it. Israel required no "heavy lifting" then.

The Wikipedia entry has some interesting notes in it, not that I advocate Wikipedia usually - but make note of the Russians' involvement, and the fact that the Israelis may have made a preemptive strike.

I've visited sites in Egypt that Israel rolled into with tanks, taking out military commands, air strips and AA guns on the mountains.

Nothing I saw was indicative of an impotent military force.

From a purely military standpoint, something I know a thing or two about, Israel is a fully capable country. I haven't really formed an opinion of whether they will or won't attack - but my thinking and believe is they will.

However, it won't be as easy as it was in 1967 - the Russians have helped the Iranians to higher quality anti-aircraft systems.

The Russians have been trying to get Israel nuked since 1967. Unfortunately for the Russians, no one had nukes then to my knowledge but the Soviets themselves and that would have touched off something bigger than the Soviets were equipped to deal with.

The problem today is the Russians don't care - but they know WE can still kick their asses and lay waste to their country.

Hence Obama shutting down nukes in our own country.

Giving the bad guys a "fighting chance" now.

[American Patriot]

Naw, I don't misunderstand your stated position at all.

I completely disagree with it.

There's a big difference.

[American Patriot]

You disagree with Israel having a demographic nightmare on it's hands, for example?

I do, to some degree. But, then if you examine why they are there in the first place, they were placed there by the UN....

If you do, you might want to reconsider your boast about understanding, because it's a problem everybody in Israel is aware of, and nobody wants or is able to address the problem.

I wasn't "boasting". STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

And do you think that by the country being surrounded by Arab countries it is somehow up to Israel to shut up and hide? How about if they do nothing at all about Iran? How about if they just "give up"?

Do you think those are good ideas? It's what you're advocating.... "giving up".

If you expect Israel's future Arab majority to want to maintain Israel as a 'Jewish State', then there really is no discussing the problem with you.

You're right. There is no discussing this with me. I'm right, you're simply wrong.

I'm sick of talking about these terrible countries, i'd rather talk about REAL threats to US national security, like Russia and China, not these crapholes.

Then why don't you stop jumping into every thread to tell us how wrong we are about Israel? Stick to the threads about Russia. Honestly Michael, I don't think you're "sick" of talking about this stuff. You seem to think you have some insight into the future - you don't.

I tell you what; time will tell who is more right about these issues, you or me. And so I'm willing to hold off and wait until history proves my logic right

Well, you're not going to get the chance to say "I told you so". Your own country is going to hell in a handbasket and you want to take a Ron Paul approach to things, isolation. You might end up being one of the victims because you're too blind to see the big picture.

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3.3.12 BREAKING NEWS North Korea ‘Allegedly’ Tested Nuclear Warhead for Iran

By

John Galt

– March 3, 2012Posted in: Breaking News, World News




by John Galt
March 3, 2012 23:00 ET

The story breaking in the Austrian newspaper Wiener Zietung this morning via the Austrian wire service, ATA, is one that should not come as a shock to those who understand the evolution of the Iranian nuclear program nor its intended goals. The Pakistani Professor, Abudal Qadeer Khan, who was the father of that nation’s nuclear weapons program and designer for both the Iranian and North Korean weapons programs, would never approach the task of creating a viable nuclear weapons facility without some obvious and logical steps. First, by duplicating his work in Pakistan, it is quite obvious that the design for a basic, functioning atomic warhead using highly enriched uranium could be duplicated in any nation willing to invest the capital to do so and risk the consequences from alienation and condemnation from the West and much of the “world” community. Secondly, with such a functioning design, the ability to replicate and test using enriched uranium from any nation before implementing full or maximum production to yield more fissionable material would be the first logical step.

Thus I present to my readers the story mentioned above (click on the titles to read the story in German at the source as I have provided the best translation that I have available using two free online translation programs):

Nordkorea testete Uran-Sprengköpfe für den Iran

North Korea Tested Uranium Warheads for Iran

North Korea detonated two secret tests of atomic warheads with highly enriched uranium in 2010 according to a German press report. The newspaper Welt am Sonntag reported with reference to western security circles, as some secret services assumed that the government in P’yongyang at least one of these tests had carried out for the Iranians.
This would mean that Teheran, with North Korean aid, has constructed and already tested an atomic warhead. According to the newspaper Welt am Sonntag this assumption is based on data of the Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO). Accordingly, the Swedish nuclear physicist Lars-Erik De Geer is based on data from monitoring stations in South Korea, Japan and Russia believe that North Korea instead of the two secret uranium tests as in two earlier tests in 2006 and 2009 used plutonium. In January, this was reported in the journal “Nature” in advance of de Geer research results.

The longtime director of the Policy Planning Staff in the German Defense Ministry, Hans Rühle, writes in Welt am Sonntag that “some of which now confirms intelligence that North Korea has actually conducted a nuclear test in 2010, at least for Iran.” This would mean that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) which also provided a document, “which was that it was the religious leader Ayatollah Khomeini himself, who decided in 1984, to resume nuclear weapons program after the overthrow of the Shah.”

This means the meeting between Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Obama on Sunday is probably a final notification that events are now in motion which will occur with or without U.S. support. The first window for such an attack is open now through May as when the summer sand storms and shortened days begin, the practicality of hitting the Iranians in such an operation does also.

(If anyone has a better translation, please contact me at johngaltfla@aol.com with the better version-John)

3.4.12 0100 ET: Title revised thanks to one “human translation” clarifying last portion of the article and one more pending from Europe-JG

UPDATE 3.4.12 1100 ET:

[American Patriot]

So the "dud" was Iran's? LOL

Michael was right, Iran already has the bomb.

LMAO!!!!


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