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8 TSA agents swarm Ron Paul's plane, demand explosives check

By Elliott Freeman Aug 30, 2012 in Politics 17 comments

Clearwater - A group of TSA agents attempted to stop Texas Congressman Ron Paul and his family from boarding their private plane at a small airport in Clearwater, Florida on Tuesday, insisting that they submit to an extensive screening and bomb check before flying.

Paul, his wife, Carol, and one of their granddaughters were preparing to depart when eight TSA agents confronted them, according to Lew Rockwell, Paul's former chief of staff.

The agents reviewed the pilots' paperwork, but demanded that they be allowed to search the aircraft for explosives. The pilots objected, pointing out that the fuel-laden airplane is an explosive itself. "Then Carol Paul, who has a pacemaker, refused to be screened, and an aide started taking video of the whole rotten process," Rockwell writes.

Eventually, the TSA backed down and allowed the Pauls to board the plane without further incident. The purported video of this encounter has yet to be released. Paul has been one of the most vocal critics of the TSA in Congress, lambasting the agency's use of naked body scanners and invasive pat downs in numerous campaign speeches.

He also authored the American Traveler Dignity Act, a House bill that would prohibit the TSA from performing any activity that is illegal for other citizens. If passed, the bill could potentially bring the pat downs to a halt. Paul announced the bill on the House floor in the following video: Private aircraft are not subject to the prolonged security screenings that are required for commercial aircraft, raising the question of whether the Paul family was intentionally targeted by the TSA. This isn't the first time that a Paul has had a run-in with the TSA.

In January, Politico reported that Kentucky Senator Rand Paul was detained by TSA screeners after refusing to submit to an invasive pat down at Nashville International Airport. Rand was eventually allowed to board his flight after going through a body scanner at another screening area.

[American Patriot]

Well, the MOST outspoken critic of the TSA is now being treated like shit.

Shut down the TSA TODAY!

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Video of TSA drill at Sky Harbor goes viral

Posted: Sep 30, 2012 9:23 PM CDT Updated: Sep 30, 2012 11:24 PM CDT

By Jill Monier, FOX 10 News - bio



PHOENIX - An apparent TSA drill scared passengers at Sky Harbor Airport last week.

Video of the drill was posted on Youtube and is now making waves.



At least one passenger FOX 10 spoke with said people were scared when the drill took place in the middle of a terminal last week, past the security checkpoint.

TSA said this kind of drill has been going on for years but this is the first time some are seeing it, thanks to a passenger who took video.

Video taken at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport, September 22 showed TSA employees ordering passengers who had already gone through the security checkpoint to stop in the middle of the terminal.

The video was recorded by passenger George Prepared.

"But there was a palpable sense of fear because we had no idea why this was happening," Prepard said.

Prepared said he was only able to capture the last 24 seconds of the roughly 2 minute event.

The TSA did not respond to FOX 10's request for comment Sunday, but in published reports, a spokesperson called it a "stop-all" drill, to prepare personnel in case of a security breach at the checkpoint.

"If they're going to do something that is a drill or a test then you have to be told you're going to be part of some sort of test," Prepared said.

In published reports, the TSA claims passengers are told about the drill in advance and are thanked for their patience.

No alert or thank you was heard in this video.

"There was a woman holding her daughter behind me who had a look on their face like 'oh no, what's going on...what's going on', that can't do anyone any good. An airport is a very sensitive place, it's a tension filled place so if they tell you to do something like that chances are people are going to be afraid and stand there, which seems to be the whole point of the exercise, which is what I found so frustrating of all," Prepared said.

The TSA has said this kind of drill been going on for 10 years but this is the first time many are seeing it. The Youtube video has more than 180,000 hits.

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Big Brother’s New Toy: An EMP Cruise Missile

by John Galt
October 24, 2012 05:20 ET

Just when you thought it was safe to leave your electronics out of the Faraday cage for a day or two, along comes Boeing with a new toy for Big Brother; a cruise missile which emits a microwave burst of energy which creates an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) as it flies by disabling all electronic devices. In a story from Gizmodo, a test was conducted last week and per the article by Jamie Condlieffe:

The CHAMP tests took place in the Western Utah Desert on October 16th. As it flew by a two-story building, its on-board microwave system shut down every piece of electronic equipment running inside the place. In fact, the test went so well that it disabled all the cameras recording the event, too.

Great. So now do not only have to worry about VIPR trucks driving by our homes and snooping to see what we own, now they have a missile which can take down the internet in an area or destroy your electronic devices whenever they feel the individual in question is a threat to the government. The video from Boeing’s web site discussing the project is stunning:

Also from the Boeing website this quote should disturb my readers when one considers the insidious nature of how a government out of control could use this weapon on its own citizens:

“This technology marks a new era in modern-day warfare,” said Keith Coleman, CHAMP program manager for Boeing Phantom Works. “In the near future, this technology may be used to render an enemy’s electronic and data systems useless even before the first troops or aircraft arrive,”

To read the article in full from the Boeing website click on the link below:

CHAMP – Lights Out

P.S. – It can be mounted on a drone also. FYI.

[American Patriot]

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[American Patriot]

Interesting...

FBI focuses firearms training on close-quarters combat

Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY11:35p.m. EST January 7, 2013CommentsShare


Dramatic shift in emphasis follows a review that found that 75% of shootings over 17 years involved suspects who were within 3 yards of agents.

(Photo: H. Darr Beiser, USA TODAY)

Story Highlights

• Agency relied on long-range marksmanship training for 30 years
• Change is part of nationwide movement to prepare officers for armed encounters in schools, office buildings
• Hollywood technology allows agents to test skills in virtual scenarios

QUANTICO, Va. — The FBI has quietly broken with its long-standing firearms training regimen, putting a new emphasis on close-quarters combat to reflect the overwhelming number of incidents in which suspects are confronting their targets at point-blank range.


The new training protocols were formally implemented last January after a review of nearly 200 shootings involving FBI agents during a 17-year period. The analysis found that 75% of the incidents involved suspects who were within 3 yards of agents when shots were exchanged.


The move represents a dramatic shift for the agency, which for more than three decades has relied on long-range marksmanship training. Apart from the new shooting regimen, agents also are being exposed to technology borrowed from Hollywood in which they can apply skills acquired on the shooting range to virtual scenarios involving the pursuit of armed suspects in schools, office buildings, apartment complexes and other potential targets.


The virtual simulation technology, developed by Georgia-based Motion Reality, won a 2005 Academy Award for technical achievement in character animation. The motion-capture technology was used in The Polar Express and The Lord of the Rings.


In its law enforcement adaptation, virtual scenarios are fed from computers in agents' backpacks to viewfinders that transform an empty room into virtual worlds where agents are pitted against animated armed suspects — many of them in close-range encounters.


John Wilson, chief of the FBI's virtual simulation program, says the system also is capable of "negatively rewarding" trainees' bad decisions by transmitting jolts to their bodies that simulate gunshots.


"The thing that jumps out at you from the (shooting incident) research is that if we're not preparing agents to get off three to four rounds at a target between 0 and 3 yards, then we're not preparing them for what is likely to happen in the real world," says FBI training instructor Larry "Pogo" Akin, who helps supervise trainees on the live shooting range.


The FBI's research predates more recent fatal shootings of local law enforcement officers, many of whom were victims of close-range ambush attacks while answering calls for service or serving warrants.


A Justice Department analysis of 63 killings of local police in 2011 found that 73% were ambushes or execution-style assaults.
Bud Colonna, chief of the FBI's Firearms Training Unit, says the circumstances involving the local law enforcement fatalities added "a lot of weight" to the changes ultimately implemented by the FBI.


Colonna said FBI Director Robert Mueller personally oversaw the live firearm training changes, meeting with instructors at the bureau's sprawling training facility here and taking part in shooting drills.

Trainees practice shooting at the FBI Training Academy at Quantico, Va. The FBI has revamped its pistol qualification course to put more emphasis on close-range combat.(Photo: H. Darr Beiser, USA TODAY)

Until last January, the pistol-qualification course required agents to participate in quarterly exercises in which they fired 50 rounds, more than half of them from between 15 and 25 yards. The new course involves 60 rounds, with 40 of those fired from between 3 and 7 yards.


The new exercise also requires that agents draw their weapons from concealed positions, usually from holsters shielded by jackets or blazers, to mimic their traditional plainclothes dress in the field.


Training analysts say the FBI's new emphasis reflects a growing movement by law enforcement agencies across the country to prepare for encounters with armed suspects in schools, office buildings and other locations where officers are now being trained to pursue shooters — often in close quarters — in an attempt to limit potential casualties.


"After Columbine, it became very common for law enforcement agencies to speak about the need for active shooter training," says Scott Knight, former chairman of the International Association of Chiefs of Police's Firearms Committee. Knight, also police chief in Chaska, Minn., referred to the 1999 Columbine High School shooting in Colorado that left 12 students, one teacher and the two gunmen dead.


"With their findings, the FBI has determined that they are confronting these (close-range encounters) and need to be prepared for them," Knight said.


The new live-fire training is separate from the virtual simulation unit, housed in a converted storage room in Quantico since its launch in February. But the missions of both training units underscore the new emphasis on armed confrontations in close quarters.


The simulator can host up to six agents at a time, each fully "immersed" in scenarios in which agents' movements are captured by a network of ceiling cameras. Immediately after the exercises, video is displayed on large screens in an adjoining classroom where agents' performances are subject to detailed critiques by instructors.
The lessons are crucial.


For now, the system serves to teach agents the proper way to enter and clear rooms in search of potential suspects, confront armed assailants and determine when deadly force is appropriate.


"When you are in these exercises, people forget that these are virtual scenarios," says Tom McLaughlin, Motion Reality's chief executive. "The brain believes this is real. We make these to be as close as you would find in the real world."


In the screening room, there is no hiding from poor decision-making and improper technique, because almost every angle of each exercise scenario can be analyzed.
Wilson says the simulation has been invaluable. But he is just as excited about the technology's untapped potential.


The system can build in blueprints and schematics of any known suspect hideout or hostage location.


Once built, the system would allow agents to train before launching operations against suspected targets. Until now, rehearsals for some major operations required the full or partial physical construction of target locations.


Last month, Wilson says, the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team, whose members have been deployed throughout the world, began using the simulator.
"The possibilities are endless," Wilson says.

[Ryan Ruck]

Bottled-Water Purchase Leads To Night In Jail For U.Va. Student

June 28, 2013

When a half-dozen men and a woman in street clothes closed in on University of Virginia student Elizabeth Daly, 20, she and two roommates panicked.

That led to Daly spending a night and an afternoon in the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail. Her initial offense? Walking to her car with bottled water, cookie dough and ice cream just purchased from the Harris Teeter in the Barracks Road Shopping Center for a sorority benefit fundraiser.

A group of state Alcoholic Beverage Control agents clad in plainclothes approached her, suspecting the blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water to be a 12-pack of beer. Police say one of the agents jumped on the hood of her car. She says one drew a gun. Unsure of who they were, Daly tried to flee the darkened parking lot.

"They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform," she recalled Thursday in a written account of the April 11 incident.

"I couldn't put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began yelling to not move the car, not to start the car. They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified," Daly stated.

Charlottesville Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman read Daly's account and said it was factually consistent.

Prosecutors say she apologized profusely when she realized who the agents were. But that wasn't good enough for ABC agents, who charged her with three felonies. Prosecutors withdrew those charges Thursday in Charlottesville General District Court, but Daly still can't understand why she sat in jail.

"This has been an extremely trying experience," she wrote. "It is something to this day I cannot understand or believe has come to this point."

A gents at ABC's regional office in Staunton deferred to the agency's public affairs office in Richmond. Spokeswoman Carol Mawyer would not provide details of the arrest or ABC's investigative procedures, except to say that all agents wear plainclothes and carry metal badges.

Agents charged Daly with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police, all Class 6 felonies carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines per offense.

Chapman said he'd never encountered a situation like this in his 34 years of experience.

"It wouldn't be the right thing to do to prosecute this," he said, noting that no one was hurt during the exchange, which took place around 10:15 p.m.

Daly incurred the assault charges when she "grazed" two agents with her SUV, according to court records. She drove the SUV past the agents after her front-seat passenger, in a panic, yelled at Daly to "go, go, go" and climbed into the rear of the vehicle to gain space from the men on her side of the car, the records state.

The woman was on edge after spending the night listening to stories from dozens of sexual assault survivors at an annual "Take Back the Night" vigil on Grounds, said Daly's defense attorney, Francis Lawrence.

The women dialed 911 as they pulled out of the parking lot to report what was happening and ask whether the agents were police officers. Daly said she was planning to drive to a police station. She stopped the SUV nearby for an agent driving a vehicle with lights and sirens, Chapman said.

Chapman stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution.

"You don't know all the facts until you complete the investigation," he said.

[Malsua]

I saw this aggressive police action on a different forum.

A gun should never, ever be used to stop an underage booze purchaser. Ever. Never. Ever.

If a uniformed officer had approached and asked the girl about the purchase, this would have been a non story.

I'm completely unclear on why they needed to do this hostile takedown, but kudos to the girl for getting in the car and driving away.

This goes back to an authority issue. The police believe they can do whatever they want without consequence if it's "official duty".

If the driver of the vehicle was a CCW license holder and felt threatened by unidentified officers(I.e. car jackers with visible firearms), he would have been entirely justified with sending a couple of them to the morgue.

In fact, this is covered by statute in Texas!

The police have lost all respect for the public at large and simply view them as something to be handled as part of their duty.

This kind of behavior from the police will stop when there's a body count, either cops or innocent 20YO girls buying water for a party.

As it stands the officers involved need to lose their jobs and their pensions for egregious dereliction of duty.

[American Patriot]

I saw this yesterday and didn't get the whole story. I thought it was over the fact she had bought water in a plastic bottle. I have heard there are areas trying to ban those and thought it might be related.

[Ryan Ruck]

Wounded Iraq Veteran Marine Was Ordered To Take Off Dress Uniform Because It Had 'Too Much Metal'

July 10, 2013



A wounded war veteran has described the moment security agents treated him like a 'terrorist' on a recent trip to California because he couldn't raise his injured right arm in a full-body scanner and his dress uniform contained 'too much metal.'

Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz was awarded a Purple Heart after he almost died in 2004 from an injury incurred from a roadside bomb in Fallujah, Iraq. The brave soldier recently traveled to Sacramento, California to receive another award as his district's veteran of the year.

But, what should have been a celebratory experience was tainted when suspicious security workers at both the Sacramento International Airport and the California State Capitol Buildings subjected him to intense screenings and even ordered him to take off his uniform.

Because of the injury Kemnitz suffered in the blast, he can't lift his right arm above his head, which has made getting through security lines increasingly difficult.

'At some places I'm treated like royalty and at some like a terrorist. There's got to be something in the middle,' he said.

Two recent trips through the secuirty line landed closer to the 'terrorist' side of treatment. When a TSA officer asked him to raise his arms above his head in a full-body scanner, he refused.

'My right arm doesn't work. It's a lot of hassle for me to do that,' Kemnitz told Military Times.

Screeners then continued to prod Kemnitz, looking under his metals, running their hands under his waistband and swabbing his shoes for explosives.

His traveling partner, Patricia Martin, found the whole incident disturbing, and took pictures of the humiliating screening.

'What does the uniform and heroism represent if our own citizens - in this case employees of the TSA and security personnel - have no regard for them?' Martin wrote to Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki about the incident.

TSA spokesman Ross Feinstein issued a statement Monday concerning the incident.

'Our intent is to treat all injured service members and veterans with the dignity they deserve, As always, all passengers with disabilities and medical conditions are eligible for screening procedures sensitive to their particular disability, medical condition or other unique medical circumstance.

'Transportation Security Officers have to resolve any anomaly detected at the checkpoint,' Feinstein said.

'As is standard procedure for all passengers, if travelers alarm when passing through a metal detector or an advanced imaging technology (AIT) unit, additional screening is required in order to resolve that anomaly.'

Following similar incidents with other wounded veterans, the TSA recently changed it's rules so injured troops no longer need to remove their shoes, jackets or hats in security.

They also offer an expedited service, but you must call the agencies Military Severely Injured Joint Service Operations Center prior to traveling.

There is also a 'curb-to-gate' service for injured personnel and well as a pre-check program for military personnel at four airports.

Kemnitz wasn't so bothered by the TSA screening as he was by the 'rude' and 'unapologetic' security screener at the California state capitol.

He was visiting the capitol as a veteran being honored in his district, but the Senate Sergent-At-Arms screening him didn't cut him any slack when the metal detector went off.

The screener asked him to take off his dress blue blouse 'because he was wearing too much metal.' That started an argument between Kemnitz, Martin and the security screener.

Representatives at the California state capitol have yet to release a statement about the incident.

[Ryan Ruck]

Since we normally get stories of cops and law enforcement behaving badly I thought I'd post this for a change of pace.

Jefferson County, Virginia Sheriff's Office Employees Reach Out To Veteran

July 29, 2013

It's what law enforcement have been pushing, building community relationships to prevent crime.

Jefferson County Sheriff's employees did just that Sunday by making a difference in the life of a veteran and his wife.

Herbert Washington says, "It surprised me today. I didn't know who it was."

Sergeant Joni Money made her own call for action.

"We really have good hearts under those badges." Money said.

There were no badges in hand, just yard tools, as deputies and other sheriff's office employees pitched in to help a Vietnam and Gulf War Veteran dealing with health problems.

Magdelyn Washington says, "He's been ill quite a bit, second time with pneumonia."

Sergeant Joni Money says "He didn't have a lawn mower, so I went to the neighbors and nobody was willing to give up a lawn mower, so I posted it on Facebook and my friends from the sheriff's office said we're going to make this happen."

Washington's grass was nearly knee-high when volunteers showed up to mow, rake and even pull weeds from the couple's yard at their home in Ensley. The Washington family was overjoyed with the act of kindness.

Herbert Washington says, "I appreciate everything they're doing."

Sergeant Jack Self says this helps strengthen ties with the community.

"This is getting out in neighborhoods in a non law enforcement role and a help role and doing good for citizens we serve." Self said.

Money says she simply wanted to make a difference.

Magdelyn Washington says, "I think it's wonderful for them to establish a good relationship with the community. That lets the community know they hey, you can call the Sheriff's Department at anytime."

[American Patriot]

Grandma shot, killed by New Hampshire state troopers after car chase

"Why twelve shots?" asks the boyfriend of 44-year-old Wendy Lawrence, Charles Peter, who shot and killed by New Hampshire State Police after the woman allegedly rammed her vehicle into their cruisers. Jennifer Egan, of WHDH, reports.



A New Hampshire grandmother was shot and killed by state police Monday after leading troopers on a high-speed car chase, according to NBC affiliate WHDH in Boston.


Wendy Lawrence, 45, of Canterbury, N.H., was struck by gunfire four times by a state trooper, officials with the state attorney general's office said. Authorities determined the cause of death was a single gunshot to the chest.


Authorities said a New Hampshire State Police trooper stopped a Chevrolet Monte Carlo that was being operated "erratically" on a southbound highway at roughly 6:30 p.m. Monday, according to a statement from Jeffery A. Strelzin, the senior assistant state attorney general.


After the trooper asked to see Lawrence's license, she showed him a non-driver's ID. When the trooper took the ID back to his cruiser to check Lawrence's record, he discovered she was a habitual offender and that her license was suspended, according to the statement.


That's when Lawrence suddenly took off in her vehicle, speeding southbound toward Concord, N.H., the statement said.


After launching and then suspending a brief pursuit in his cruiser, the report said the the trooper then came upon Lawrence's car idling sideways on an inter-state road. Lawrence then sped away, nearly striking a person who was on the highway.


Multiple state police troopers aided in trying to apprehend Lawrence, following her to an interstate in Manchester, N.H. It was there that a trooper discharged his weapon, fatally wounding Lawrence.


It was not immediately clear what exactly prompted the trooper to fire his gun. Officials are investigating the circumstances surrounding Lawrence's death.


She was later taken to Elliot Hospital in Manchester, where she was pronounced dead.


An autopsy conducted by the state's chief medical examiner found that Lawrence had been struck by gunfire four times.


Lawrence's boyfriend, Charles Peter, told NBC affiliate WHDH in Boston that Lawrence was a mother of two who recently became a grandmother.


"She was a wonderful person. She wouldn't hurt anybody," Peter told the station.


Peter suggested to the station that the trooper who discharged his weapon had acted excessively.


He asked: "If it's somebody who wouldn't stop, what happened to shooting the tires?"


"I don't think we'll ever know the truth," Peter said. "But all I know is I don't have a girlfriend anymore."


He added, fighting back tears: "All I have is a little dog to remember her by."

[Ryan Ruck]

I'm willing to bet that not being a habitual offender and not running from the cops reduces the likelihood of being shot by them. Not totally eliminates the chances but, it does significantly reduce it.

[American Patriot]

Well... there is no need to shoot ANYONE, "habitual offender" or not for driving without a license.

What happened to chasing them down and arresting them? What happened to NOT chasing them if too dangerous and put out a BOLO on them?

Doesn't make sense regardless of who she is, what she was doing. She wasn't committing a felony. It was a traffic stop.

[Ryan Ruck]

Fleeing the police and almost running someone over while eluding the police is definitely a felony.

The driver escalated a non-felony situation into one. Should she have been shot? Can't say for sure since I wasn't there but, the driver most definitely did plenty to put herself in that situation unnecessarily. There's plenty of examples of out of control law enforcement but sorry, zero fucks given in this case. As the saying goes, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

[American Patriot]

I'm sure there's a lot more to this.... but seriously... shooting an old lady? The "person" on the road was who?

Now, this is the problem: "It was not immediately clear what exactly prompted the trooper to fire his gun. Officials are investigating the circumstances surrounding Lawrence's death."

If someone comes over and punches me in the face then runs away, I can't legally pull out my gun, follow him to a parking lot and shoot him dead. No matter how big he is.

If he punches my wife in the face and runs off... I still can't shoot him.

If it appears he's going to kill someone, I can. I just can't chase him down and do it.

A cop has to be held to the same standard.

So - when it comes out what she did to prompt a discharge of a fire arm - fine, until then, it needs to be questioned.

Because police officers are in uniform and are sworn to uphold the law, and because lately so many have broken the law themselves all this crap should come out quickly and accurately.

There should be NO QUESTION that if a cop pulls his weapon out and has to shoot there was a legitimate reason for doing so. Lately that isn't always the case.

[Ryan Ruck]

I'm sure there's a lot more to this.... but seriously... shooting an old lady?

At 45 she was younger than you!

[American Patriot]

she was a GRANDMA! lol

(Of course you can be one at a very young age these days.)

I'm sure she was a bitch, had a record, was breaking some other law, probably did drugs - who knows. A lot of people aren't the cream of the crop these days, but I still think that pulling out a gun and shooting someone who isn't shooting back is wrong.

On the other hand.... it comes down to this. Did a cop put himself IN FRONT of that vehicle and then decide "She has a 2000 pound car, I fear for my life"? Why put yourself in front?

Just like the biker the other day. Why the FUCK do you place yourself in front of someone, brake check them and then decide "He was in the wrong"?

Sorry.... I'm betting money the cop PUT himself in front of her car and then used it as an excuse to shoot. They were tired of chasing her, or fucking around.

Cops really HATE when you don't bow to their authority.

[Malsua]

Since when can cops pull you over for a traffic stop, order you out of the car, tase, whatever, often for a tail light or some other made up bullshit. Street cops have too much power and too much immunity. They always fall back on "Resisting Arrest" or Disorderly Conduct. It's all control these days.

Traffic offenses have turned from safety, to revenue and now they're about implementing the police state.

[American Patriot]

Since when can cops pull you over for a traffic stop, order you out of the car, tase, whatever, often for a tail light or some other made up bullshit. Street cops have too much power and too much immunity. They always fall back on "Resisting Arrest" or Disorderly Conduct. It's all control these days.

Traffic offenses have turned from safety, to revenue and now they're about implementing the police state.

Wow. Mal? You ok? You usually are standing up for the cops!

You're right and this is my point. A TRAFFIC violation, whether they are unlicensed or run a traffic light isn't a felony. If someone (a cop) is a stupid enough fuck to step in front of a car that's "fleeing"... well, sorry, he is probably going to get run over. Complying with a screaming cop isn't something I intend to do either. If he isn't polite to me, fuck him, I'm driving to a police station and I'll have the camera running.

Come on this isn't about her being a "habitual criminal" because I happen to know a few of those types and 90% of the time it's a bullshit thing. A "habitual criminal" who continually robs houses, or people walking down the street is a criminal. Someone who happens to have run a traffic light, gotten some parking tickets then loses their drivers license isn't a "habitual criminal".

Traffic violations shouldn't be (and most arent) criminal anyway.