Since this is about Obama, normally I would have put this in the Election '08 thread. But, since this is as big a deal as it is, I figured it needed it's own thread.
With all the reporters covering the major presidential candidates, it amazes me no one ever seems to ask the right questions.
For several days now, WND has been hounding Barack Obama's campaign about a statement he made July 2 in Colorado Springs – a statement that blew my mind, one that has had me scratching my head ever since.
In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation's military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Now, since I've never heard anyone inside or out of government use the phrase "civilian national security force" before, I was more than a little curious about what he has in mind.
Is it possible I am the only journalist in America who sought clarification on this campaign promise?
What does it mean?
If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal?
I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?
Now, maybe he was misquoted by the Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune. I guess it's possible. If so, you would think he would want to set the record straight. Maybe he misspoke. That has certainly happened before. Again, why wouldn't the rest of my colleagues show some curiosity about such a major and, frankly, bone-chilling proposition?
Are we talking about creating a police state here?
The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn't count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.
Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?
If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?
So far, despite our attempts to find out, the Obama campaign is not talking.
At this point all I can do is enlist your help – and the help of every other journalist who still thinks the American people have a right to know the specifics about a presidential candidate's biggest and boldest initiatives before the election. I also want to ask radio talk-show hosts across America to start asking this same question. I have a feeling if others join our quest, we might yet get clarification on this proposal from Obama.
Who will Obama appoint to administer this new "civilian national security force"? Where will the money come from? Where in the Constitution does he see justification for the federal government creating such a domestic army?
The questions are endless.
But before we can hope to get to the specifics, we need much more in the way of generalizations from Obama.
Certainly there have been initiatives like this elsewhere – Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela, North Korea. But has anything like this ever been proposed in a free country?
I have a feeling there would be more questions from the press if I myself had proposed the creation of something as preposterous as a "civilian national security force" than there has been about this proposal by the presidential candidate currently leading in most of the polls. I'm quite sure I would be hung out to dry as some kind of Nazi thug. Meanwhile, Obama makes this wild suggestion and it is met with a collective yawn from the watchdogs.
Help me out here. What am I missing?
Can I get a hand?
Obama is LITERALLY proposing our own KGB. Imagine the BATFE writ large!
'Civilian security force' missing from 'call to service' transcript
Democrat Sen. Barack Obama's stunning assertion in a recent speech that the U.S. needs a "civilian national security force" that would be as powerful, strong and well-funded as the half-trillion dollar Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force is not included in published transcripts of his prepared remarks.
In the July 2 speech in Colorado Springs, Obama insisted the U.S. "cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set."
Campaign officials have declined to return any of a series of WND telephone calls over several days requesting comment. Nor have they posted a transcript of the speech on their website.
The lines are not included in a transcript of the prepared remarks published by the Denver Post and Wall Street Journal.
According to the transcript, Obama was to have said:
We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
But a YouTube video of the speech, at about the 16-minute mark (actually, it is at 16:43 to be exact), shows Obama added the following lines:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, used his daily column first to raise the issue, and then to elevate it with a call to all reporters to start asking questions about it.
"If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal?" Farah wrote. "I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?
"Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that? If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?" Farah wrote.
He added that he wants the help of "every other journalist who still thinks the American people have a right to know the specifics about a presidential candidate's biggest and boldest initiatives before the election."
Since Farah reported the statement, it's been the subject of intense discussions on the Internet.
In a post on FreeRepublic.com, Sean Robins explains why he believes it's likely one of Obama's handlers counseled him to remove the two lines from the speech and then the senator decided to put them back in.
"Most of the time, when Obama flubs a line and attempts to recover, you can easily spot it," Robins writes, but in this case, the lines are "delivered clearly, concisely, and succinctly, without any hint that they emanate from a flub."
Robins speculates the lines were prepared and rehearsed ahead of time, the handler or handlers counseled him to take them out, and "in the moment of the speech, he decided, 'they're back in.'"
Robins says that while this is speculation, it points to the need to "pay closer attention to Obama's speeches, for what is off the cuff, for what his trainers and handlers might not want him to say, but which he will continue to say anyway. We know he's really good on a fixed script. And we know that he's really bad on his own."
The Blue Collar Muse blog commented, "In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion. Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that? The questions are legion and the implications of such an organization are staggering! What would it do? According to the title, it's a civilian force so how would it go about discharging 'national security' issues? What are the Constitutional implications for such a group? How is this to be paid. … The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such 'youth' organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?"
On the forum page for Blue Collar Muse, one reader said, "I thought we already had the FBI, DEA, BATFE, U.S. Marshals, TSA, postal inspectors, park rangers, Secret Service, state bureaus of investigation, state police, local police, sheriffs and constables, among others, that already did that."
Added another: "The other, more likely, possibility here is that Obama has absolutely no clue what he's talking about. That would explain why he hasn't elaborated on the idea."
Obama's Colorado Springs speech was about a "call to service."
"I am running for president, right now, because of what Dr. King called the fierce urgency of now. This moment is too important to sit on the sidelines."
And he told the audience he would "ask for your service."
"We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges. … As president, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer."
He also talked about additional work for veterans, and a new "Energy Corps" for the two million "young Americans who are out of school and out of work."
Is the Civil Service national security force where minorities serve on local, state, or federal level, depending where they are needed toward college and technical education when the private sector gets smaller?
Could it be to address bitter conservatives, constitutionalists, residents of small-town America "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them” (Remember the Clinton’s War on Terror) fulfilling the “Socialists American Dream”?
WOW!!!!!! Vector! You finally posted an OPINION lol!
About TIME!
I would tend to agree with you on this. THis is something to be put in place to fight those of us, if you look my picture on the left you will see what I mean, who cling to our guns.
Bring it on....
Libertatem Prius!
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You know, I live in Southern California where people will largely just dismiss this sort of thing as being a non-issue. However, here I am right now in a small town in Arkansas and, shall I say - this is a different sort of citizen.
If Obama thinks he's going to send in any sort of goon squads around here, he's got another thing coming. Believe me, I surely would not want to be the person sent into this neck of the woods to try and do B. Hussein's gun grabbing or anything like that. No thanks to that job - these folks cling to things rather tightly around here.
Obama wants to Re-create: Sturmabteilung! The SA! Nazi Brownshirts!
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
Before the election, this guy came on Michael Savage's show with key details on what Obama is going to do after reaching power. He was in the inner workings of the enemy's organization and knows their strategies extremely well.
I highly recommend listening to all the audio files. They're a verifiable blueprint for the enemy's actions and it's not always we get such a clear look inside their inner workings.
Here are the Michael Savage & Joe the Caller audio files:
It begins talking about Obama's call for a 'national civilian security force' - "Jose" says there are 100 community organizations already in place all across the United States to fulfill this goal, ACORN being one of them - all seemingly independent, but in reality part of the same conspiracy.
"Jose" then went on to say Obama's plan is to take the higher taxes of the wealthy and divert them to these organizations for weaponry, training, and to build his own indoctrinated, private army. He also said this is exactly what Hugo Chavez did when he first came to power.
It goes on from there to cover the communist conspiracy interconnecting 30 years of infiltrating our institutions, the MSM and conditioning our culture for change.
The purge has begun.
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Description of Organization and Position The Obama for President Campaign ends on November 4th, but the opportunity and need to continue creating meaningful change through grassroots organizing could not be more urgent, particularly for our nation’s public school students. Stand for Children seeks to hire as many as 10 Campaign Organizers who are deeply committed to community organizing and want to help lead a movement to ensure all children get the excellent public education and strong support they need to thrive. Stand for Children is an innovative, bold grassroots lobby for children with state affiliates in Massachusetts, Oregon, Tennessee and Washington. We organize parents, educators, and other concerned community members into a strong, sustained constituency that: _ Elects strong local school boards and state legislators who champion public schools. _ Lobbies the state legislature for greater K-12 investments and then ensures local school districts invest those dollars wisely. _ Advocates for legislation to enact education reforms that improve student achievement and close the achievement gap.
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The civilian army just hasn't ever had uniforms before. If you have kids in a public school, you really, really need to see this:
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Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama’s choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:
It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. …
Here’s how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs.
Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.
As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama’s own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.
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Of course, the difference is, I think to "be a citizen and vote" you ought to have to serve 3 YEARS minimum to be considered a citizen, to be able to vote or to be able to legally run for an office.
then again.....
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They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs.
The way to avoid wide spread Posse Comitatus.
This is Martial Law detail that will probably involve search, seizure and relocation, not by our military or local law enforcement, but by inexperienced or ambitious inner city youths with military hardware.
Any guess as to what color of shirts they'll be wearing this time?
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"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges.
President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
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I think that's one of the smartest ideas yet to come out of the new Obamanation.
Know why?
Because he's gonna ransack our military (in toto) strength, and soon everyone on this planet that hates us is gonna pound us into oblivion. And we're gonna need all the trained folks we can get.
If bama is declared ineligible, will the electoral college likely vote on his instructions, or will they boycott Hilary. I reckon plenty of dirt on bama is being funnelled into that endangered species known as blind judges in whitewashed tombs full of filth and dead bones. If the election is thrown into the house, only the top 3 candidates can be "chosen"- or it's Nancy.
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I think that's one of the smartest ideas yet to come out of the new Obamanation.
Know why?
Because he's gonna ransack our military (in toto) strength, and soon everyone on this planet that hates us is gonna pound us into oblivion. And we're gonna need all the trained folks we can get.
That's sarcasm...sort of.
Well, I see where you're right here. Sarcasm or not... when it comes to defending this country everyone will have to pitch in, whether they like it or not. lol
Libertatem Prius!
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Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'
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