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    Ok....

    Things are a lot more "hot" than we thought.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EN10A20140612

    Russia holds military exercises in Baltic in response to NATO

    MOSCOW Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:33am EDT







    1 of 2. Russian military aircraft are on display during the event titled the 'Innovations Day' organized by Russia's Western military command at Levashovo airbase outside St. Petersburg, June 6, 2014.
    Credit: Reuters/Alexander Demianchuk

    (Reuters) - Russia has begun military exercises in its Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad in what the Defence Ministry said was a response to drills by NATO allies in parts of eastern Europe, which were launched after Moscow's intervention in Ukraine.

    Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region and a pro-Russian separatist revolt in the country's east after its Moscow-backed president was ousted by protesters have led to the worst East-West crisis since the end of the Cold War.

    In a statement on its website, the Defence ministry did not reveal the scale of the Russian exercises but said the equipment and number of troops involved "corresponds" to the size of the NATO maneuvers.

    "The training of the army's group in the Kaliningrad operational (theater) is being held simultaneously with the international (NATO) exercises of Saber Strike-2014 and Baltops-2014 launched in Europe,' the statement said.

    It added that 24 ships from Moscow's Baltic Sea Fleet were patrolling Russian territorial waters there while its regional air force had been beefed up with extra Su-27 fighter jets.

    Kaliningrad is a sliver of territory that is unconnected to the rest of Russia and sandwiched between NATO member states Lithuania and Poland.

    NATO countries responded to the Crimea annexation by sending fighter planes and ships to eastern Europe to reassure allies alarmed by Russia's action. The U.S.-led alliance and its member states have also stepped up military exercises in eastern Europe, including former Soviet republics in the Baltics.

    A U.S.-led exercise, named "Saber Strike", involving around 4,700 soldiers from 10 countries, is now under way in the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

    Another large NATO-led exercise was held in Estonia in May.

    Drills also began last month in Poland, Slovakia and the three Baltic states involving several hundred U.S. special forces personnel, the U.S. European Command said.

    Asked earlier this week about reports of Russian exercises in Kaliningrad, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he understood Russia considered its exercises to be a response to the measures NATO had taken to step up its security.

    But NATO's actions were "purely defensive measures that do not justify any offensive action," he told a Brussels conference.

    (Reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin in Moscow and Adrian Croft in Brussels; Editing by Mark Heinrich)
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    02 Jun. 2014
    Secretary General sets out NATO’s position on Russia-Ukraine crisis

    Welcome to NATO headquarters. It’s very good to see you here.


    Now more than ever, it’s important that we listen to one another and talk to another. We have just had a meeting of the NATO-Russia Council on the security situation in and around Ukraine. And we welcome the holding of this meeting.


    All NATO Allies made clear that we condemn the illegal and illegitimate annexation of Crimea and Allies will not recognize it.


    We commend the people of Ukraine for holding free and fair elections largely in line with international standards. They clearly voted for a united Ukraine. Their choice must be respected and we urge Russia to engage constructively with the newly elected President.


    We call on Russia to withdraw its troops fully and verifiably from Ukraine’s border, with additional international inspections. To stop the flow of arms and fighters into Ukraine. To condemn armed separatists and use its influence for the freeing of OSCE monitors taken hostage.


    So it was not an easy meeting, but it was a necessary one. We have long agreed that the NATO-Russia Council is an all-weather forum. And frankly, the climate at the moment is not good – not because NATO wants it that way, but because of Russia’s illegal aggression against Ukraine.


    This meeting and the meeting of NATO defence ministers come just a few days after Ukraine’s successful presidential elections. Despite criminal violence, intimidation and provocation by pro-Russian armed gangs, the Ukrainian people have made their voice heard. And their choice must be respected. So we look forward to working with the new president of Ukraine.


    We stand firm in our support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity. We do not and will not recognize Russia’s armed annexation of Crimea. And we strongly support Ukraine’s right to choose its own path for the future.


    This is a fundamental principle of international law and Euro-Atlantic security. Russia has subscribed to that principle.


    For many years NATO has used every opportunity to improve and further develop our relations with Russia. We have consistently worked for cooperation, not confrontation.

    In fact, we have offered Russia a more privileged partnership than to anybody else around the world. We have made unprecedented pledges imposing restraint on our military posture, and we have kept them.


    However, our partnership with Russia has been based on commitments - and Russia has not kept its pledges. Russia has threatened its neighbours, and used force against them. It has not respected the territorial integrity or political independence of other countries.


    Let me be clear. All the measures that NATO is taking are defensive, moderate, proportionate, transparent, and fully compliant with our international commitments, including the Founding Act. They are not a threat to Russia - and NATO is not a threat to Russia. We want to improve the climate, but to do that Russia must show that it is prepared to play by the same rules as everybody else.
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    NATO starts war games on Russia's borders
    Monday, 09 June 2014
    A major military exercise kicked off in Latvia, with 10 NATO member countries participating. The war games involve 4,700 troops and 800 military vehicles. Russia sees NATO's military build-up as a sign of aggression.


    The Saber Strike ground forces exercise is being conducted for the fourth time this year and coincides with Baltic Host 2014 and Baltops 2014 naval drills.

    Troops from the US, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Norway and the UK are taking part.


    The two-week exercise is hosted by the three Baltic States, although some parts will be conducted in Germany.

    For Latvia, where the opening ceremony was held, it's the biggest NATO military drill since its accession to the alliance in 2004, the country's defense ministry said Monday in a statement. The ceremony was crowned with a US strategic bomber B-52 flyover.

    The exercise comes amid high tension between NATO and Russia over the Ukrainian political crisis. The alliance ramped up its presence in Russia's neighborhood, claiming that it is a response toward Moscow's aggressive stance.


    Russia says NATO's actions are provocative and is taking measures to balance the shift in military power.


    “We can't take this military buildup by the alliance next to Russia's borders as anything but a demonstration of hostile intention. The deployment of extra NATO troops in Central and Eastern Europe, even on a rotational basis” is a violation of Russia's agreements with the alliance, Deputy Foreign Minister Vladimir Titov said Monday.


    “Of course we won't stand idly and watch the militarization of the countries in our neighborhood and will take all necessary political and military measures to ensure our security,” the diplomat told Interfax.
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    You know, I find it absolutely appalling that the major search engines aren't covering or showing ANYTHING about Russia, Ukraine, Jets coming close to the US, the NATO/Russian Opposing War Games in the same area, or any of this stuff.

    I'm having to do specific searches to find ANYTHING on Russian Bear Bombers coasting the US.

    50 Miles....

    There are three important numbers when it comes to coastline.... dictated by International Law.

    3 mile limit - 1 league or 3 NM

    12 mile limit - Territorial Limit

    200 mile limit - Exclusive Zone


    In the first one, the 3 nm limit was basically a gentleman's agreement from most countries in the 19th century. That limit still exists in US law for things like dump garbage or sewage overboard (you have to be outside that limit to empty your holding tanks for example).

    The 12 mile limit is the Territorial limit of the US border - AS LONG AS THOSE TRAVERSING are doing so for PEACEFUL PURPOSES.

    The 200 mile limit is an economic exclusive zone, meaning that other countries can't drill there legally, they can't fish there without permission of the host country and the fish and food in the sea belong to the country in it's borders.

    A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea that is in compliance with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of the UN Convention, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea.
    When you fly inside of a 200 mile limit with nuclear armed weapons systems, you're poking at the country you're flying near.

    If you're inside of a 50 mile range, there's nothing to stop you from hitting your target.

    If they came with 12 miles, we can LEGALLY shoot them down (and they know it, we know it, etc)

    Now.... read this:

    North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD, /ˈnɔræd/) is a combined organization of the United States and Canada that provides aerospace warning, air sovereignty, and defense for North America.[3] Headquarters for NORAD and the NORAD/USNORTHCOM command center are located at Peterson Air Force Base in El Paso County, near Colorado Springs, Colorado. The nearby Cheyenne Mountain nuclear bunker has the Alternative Command Center. The NORAD commander and deputy commander are respectively a U.S. four-star General or equivalent and a Canadian three-star general or equivalent.
    Basically.... we will see them (radar, satellite, other means) and scramble jets. I find it incomprehensible the Jets didn't catch them until the Aleutians.
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    Highway to the danger zone: Russian bombers buzz coast of California, Alaska

    Practice runs are latest Cold War-like provocation from Putin



    FILE PHOTO: Col. John York pilots an F-15 Eagle ahead of Lt. Col. Sean Navin, who flies an F-16 Falcon on its final mission for the 144th Fighter Wing, California Air National Guard. The F-16s have been transferred to the 162nd Fighter Wing in Tucson, Ariz., as a result of the 144th Fighter Wing receiving the F-15 Eagle as their new airframe. York is the 144th Operations Group commander. Navin is the commander of the 194th Fighter Squadron. (U.S. Air Force photo/Master Sgt. David J. Loeffler)
    By Bill Gertz — The Washington Free Beacon



    Thursday, June 12, 2014



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    “The last time we saw anything similar was two years ago on the Fourth of July,” Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a NORAD spokesman, told the Free Beacon.

    PHOTOS: Top 10 U.S. fighter jets

    Capt. Davis said the latest Bear H incursions began Monday around 4:30 p.m. Pacific time, when radar detected the four turboprop-powered bombers approaching the U.S. air defense zone near the far western Aleutian Islands.


    Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and intercepted the bombers over the Aleutians.


    After tracking the bombers as they flew eastward, two of the four Bears turned around and headed west toward the Russian Far East. The bombers are believed to be based at the Russian strategic base near Anadyr, Russia.


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    A Russian Tu-95 Bear H flies over International waters off the coast ... more >




    The remaining two nuclear-capable bombers then flew southeast and around 9:30 p.m. entered the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of Northern California.


    Two U.S. F-15 jets were deployed and intercepted the bombers as they eventually flew within 50 miles of the coast before turning around and heading west.


    A defense official said the four bombers also were supported by two IL-78 aerial refueling tankers that were used for midair refueling during the operation this week.



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    The Tu-95 is a long-range strike aircraft capable of carrying nuclear cruise missiles. Other versions are equipped with intelligence-gathering sensors and electronic warfare gear. It has a range of around 9,400 miles without refueling.


    Capt. Davis said the aircraft “acted professionally,” and the bombers appeared to be conducting a training mission.


    “They typically do long-range aviation training in the summer, and it is not unusual for them to be more active during this time,” he said. “We assess this was part of training. And they did not enter territorial airspace.”


    The bomber incursion is the latest Russian nuclear saber-rattling amid stepped-up tensions over Moscow’s military annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea.


    Rep. K. Michael Conaway, Texas Republican and a member of the House Armed Services Committee, called the Russian flights “intentional provocations.”


    “[Russian President Vladimir] Putin is doing this specifically to try to taunt the U.S. and exercise, at least in the reported world, some sort of saber-rattling, muscle-flexing kind of nonsense,” Mr. Conaway said in an interview. “Truth of the matter is we would have squashed either one of those [bombers] like baby seals.


    “It’s a provocation, and it’s unnecessary. But it fits in with [Mr. Putin’s] macho kind of saber-rattling,” he said, adding that he expects Russia will carry out more of these kinds of incidents in the future.



    Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a former Alaska commander for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said he does not remember a case of Russian strategic bombers coming that close to the U.S. coast.


    “Again we see the Obama administration through their covert — but overt to Mr. Putin — unilateral disarmament inviting adventurism by the Russians,” Gen. McInerney said in an email.


    “At the height of the Cold War, I do not remember them getting this close. Mr. Putin had to approve this mission, and he is just showing his personal contempt for President Obama right after meeting him in Normandy less than a week ago,” Gen. McInerney said.


    Gen. McInerney said no American president has been treated with such disrespect in U.S. history.


    “A sad day indeed, and at the same time Mosul and Tikrit [Iraq] fall to radical Islamists after the Obama administration’s failed Iraq policy,” he added. “He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.”


    The Alaska-California bombers’ flight also came a month after a Russian Su-27 interceptor jet flew dangerously close to a U.S. RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft flying over the Sea of Okhotsk north of Japan.


    In that incident on April 23, the Su-27 jet flew close to the RC-135, turned to reveal its air-to-air missiles to the crew, and then flew dangerously close to within 100 feet of the cockpit in a maneuver that military officials called reckless.


    Capt. Davis said in the past 10 years, 50 Bear H bombers were intercepted near the U.S. air defense zone, although he acknowledged that Monday’s flight near California was unusual.


    In April, a telephone conversation between two Russian ambassadors was posted on YouTube and appeared to show the diplomats joking about the Ukraine crisis and discussing the possible incursions in the United States and Eastern Europe.


    The leaked conversation between Igor Nikolaevich Chubarov and Sergey Viktorovich Bakharev, Russian ambassadors to the African nations Eritrea, and Zimbabwe and Malawi, respectively, includes references to post-Crimea Russian imperialism to include Eastern Europe and “Californialand” and “Miamiland.”


    Russian Bear H flights elsewhere have increased in recent years.


    In February 2013, two of the bombers were intercepted as they circled the U.S. Pacific island of Guam in a rare long-range incursion.


    Two Bear H craft also were intercepted near Alaska on April 28, 2013.


    A Russian Bear H incursion in Asia took place in July 2013, when two Tu-95s were intercepted by Japanese and South Korean jets near the Korean Peninsula and Japan’s northern Hokkaido island.


    The July 4, 2012, bomber flights near the West Coast were the first time since the Cold War that Russian jets have traveled so close to the U.S. coastline.


    That action followed an intrusion by Tu-95s near Alaska that were part of large-scale strategic nuclear exercises by the Russians aimed at practicing strikes on enemy air defenses.


    Russia has stepped up provocative nuclear war games in recent years as part of propaganda efforts to display Moscow’s dislike of U.S. missile defenses in Europe.
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    ok, misread several things I guess.

    They actually contacted them first off the Aleutians. Two bombers turned back. Two went on and then were contacted AGAIN at Northern California.
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    Air Force jets scrambled this week as Russian bombers fly within 50 miles of U.S. coast

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    on June 11, 2014 at 9:23 PM, updated June 11, 2014 at 9:29 PM





    Tupolev Tu-95


    Russian bombers flew within 50 miles of the California coast this week, triggering U.S. Air defense systems and scrambling jets, the North American Aerospace Defense Command confirmed.


    The incident, first reported in the Washington Free Beacon, is the latest in a series involving the Russian military, including the "buzzing" of a U.S. Air Force reconnaissance plane in April. The Pentagon said those actions jeopardized the lives of the American crew.


    A total of four Russian strategic bombers were apparently conducting practice bombing runs near Alaska, NORAD said. Two of the planes, both Tu-95 Bear H aircraft, came within 50 miles of the California coast.


    Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told the Free Beacon the incursion began Monday around 4:30 p.m. Pacific time. The planes were picked up on radar as they approached the U.S. air defense zone near the western Aleutian islands. Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and interception the bombers over the Aleutians.


    Two the planes turned around while the remaining pair flew southeast into the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of northern California. Two U.S. F-15 jets were then deployed and intercepted the bombers. The Russian planes then turned around and headed west.


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    China, Vietnam, Russia and U.S. in The South China Sea

    By EconMatters, June 09, 2014, 03:59:32 PM EDT



    China is on a roll upsetting neighbors from all directions in its aggressive stance towards territorial claims.


    East China Sea
    In the East China Sea, tension and hostility from the row with Japan over a group of uninhabited islands, (known as Diaoyu in China, Senkaku in Japan, Diaoyutai in Taiwan) has dialed up:



    • Last November, China created a new air-defense identification zone to include Diaoyu, and would require any aircraft in the zone to comply with rules set by Beijing.
    • In May 2014, Tokyo reportedly is planning to set up 3 military outposts near the islands to boost Japan’s defense of ‘its outlying islands’.
    • A close call to blows about two weeks ago when China scrambled four fighter jets to deter Japanese aircrafts in the disputed water where China just carried out joint maritime exercises with Russia.


    South China Sea


    Tension has been rising in the South China Sea since May 1 after China’s state oil company CNOOC mobilized a deepwater semi-sub rig HD-981 drilling near the Paracel Islands (known to China and Taiwan as the Xisha Islands), close to the Vietnam coastline and also claimed by Vietnam. In response, Vietnam dispatched some 40-vessel coast guard fleet to the rig location, but only to be outgunned and outnumbered by China’s fleet of some 60 vessels (including Navy warships, and fishing boats) and fighter jets escorting the $1-billion rig. According to Vietnam, China has since upped the fleet around the rig to 90 vessels


    That big oil rig has sparked anti-China protests and riots in Vietnam. China had to send ships to evacuate Chinese workers after some Chinese nationals were killed, and 400+ Chinese factories were burnt down during the riot.


    Reportedly, China Oilfield Services Ltd., a unit of CNOOC operating the deep-water rig, already mobilized the rig last week about 20 nautical miles to the east, but drilling exploration was expected to continue until mid-August. Hanoi said the rig still remains in Vietnam's exclusive economic zone as defined by the United Nations. While the rig is still sitting right in Hanoi’s face, the latest drama came this Tuesday after the two navies almost came to blows beyond water cannons.


    Separately, China is also having disputes with the Philippines which claims part of the Spratly Islands in the region. Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all claiming parts of the South China Sea are also rejecting China’s claim.


    China ‘9-dash Line’ for Decades
    Citing 2,000 years of history where the Paracel (and Spratly island chains) were regarded as integral parts of the Chinese nation, China has for decades claimed a U-shaped ‘9-dash line’ of the South China Sea (see graph below). This is nothing new and has long been disputed and protested by the neighboring countries including Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei. (Taiwan, which considers itself the only legitimate democratic government of China, has a similar claim to Beijing’s.)



    Map Source: WSJ

    Potential Rich Oil and Gas Deposits
    Everything got much more intense after it was discovered that the South China Sea (as well as the East China Sea) could have rich oil and gas deposits. This is part of the reason for the U.S. involvement and energy-hungry China flexing its new and improved maritime and economic muscle to assert and defend its claims and sovereign rights as perceived by Beijing.


    U.S. Butting In
    The U.S. even though officially indicated not taking a position on these territorial disputes, but as Obama re-pivots to Asia to counter-balance China’s increasing influence in the region, countries like Vietnam, Philippines and Japan are looking to the U.S. to essentially back them up when push comes to shove going against China.


    To put it another way, when you look at the map comparing the size of Vietnam or even Japan, for example, to China, before even taking into account the respective GDP size, trade volume and relations, what do you think has bolstered the ‘confidence’ of Vietnam and Japan to confront China in such assertive manner, including allowing the anti-China riot to take place? Remember, Vietnam is a communist country similar to China in that public demonstration does not ever occur without official sanctions. The same behind-the-scene U.S. support is also evident in the case of the China-Japan island row in the East China Sea.


    China, Vietnam, Philippines in International Mediation
    Vietnam is now preparing to sue China in an international court, while the Philippines say it will take China to a UN tribunal. Nevertheless, experts believe the attempts by Philippines and Vietnam to pursue China via international mediation would be futile as China would not be obliged to abide by the ruling.


    U.S. Re-pivoting China To Russia
    With the U.S. eager to demonstrate goodwill gesture and support to the region, the re-pivoting to Asia campaign by the U.S. is actually re-pivoting China towards Russia. China and Russia just completed a joint naval exercise last month where both Putin and Xi Jinping attended the opening ceremony. According to Taiwan media, as part of the exercise, China and Russia exchanged closely-guarded military and communication system intelligence which signals an unprecedented level of cooperation between the two. Furthermore, in exchange for signing the $400Bn and 30-year gas deal, China will be gaining some much needed invaluable top military technology know-how’s from Russia.


    China Calling Obama’s Bluff
    Territorial disputes (land or sea) among Asian countries are as old as history itself. Countries usually worked things out eventually or keep status quo. The situation in the East and South China Sea would not have escalated to the current state without U.S. trying to play all sides.
    China is basically calling Obama’s bluff that the U.S. will not be able to walk the talk. Frankly, it’d be very imprudent of U.S. to really go against China by taking side in these regional squabbles and risks China and Russia re-acquainting into BFFs again.


    CNOOC Chairman Wang Yilin once said,
    "Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon".
    So China is unlikely to show weakness losing face in front of the international community, while it is too late in the game for Vietnam or even the U.S. to back out of the situation, even if they want to. Since Vietnam spent $714 million last year on Russian military kit, it’d also be interesting to see Russia’s reaction to the new ties between Vietnam and U.S.
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    Oh... and this too

    U.S. sends B-2 stealth bombers to Europe

    By Mariano Castillo, CNN
    updated 1:40 PM EDT, Wed June 11, 2014



    Your video will begin momentarily. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/world/...ers/index.html



    STORY HIGHLIGHTS

    • The two U.S. Air Force aircraft are on a training mission
    • Aim is to become familiar with air bases and operations in the area, Air Force says
    • For local residents, the stealth bombers are a sight





    (CNN)
    -- Two of the United States' most recognizable military aircraft -- a pair of B-2 stealth bombers -- caught the eyes of residents as they arrived in Europe this week for training.


    "They seem to defy science!" said one Twitter user in Cirencester, England, who saw one of the stealth bombers in flight.
    The bombers' unique radar-evading design always draws attention, as does this training mission in particular, which comes at a time of conflict in Ukraine.
    Photos: B-2 stealth bomber


    Secret new stealth drone exposed



    An Air Force news release about the mission did not mention the Ukraine crisis, but U.S. fighter jets have previously been deployed to Europe on similar training missions to show support for NATO allies.


    The mission for the pair of stealth bombers, the Air Force said, is to conduct flights in Europe and to become familiar with air bases and operations in the area.


    "This deployment of strategic bombers provides an invaluable opportunity to strengthen and improve interoperability with our allies and partners," said Adm. Cecil Haney, commander of U.S. Strategic Command. "The training and integration of strategic forces demonstrates to our nation's leaders and our allies that we have the right mix of aircraft and expertise to respond to a variety of potential threats and situations."


    The B-2s are assigned to the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri.


    "Just saw a Stealth Bomber fly over our house," another resident said on Twitter. "Amazing aircraft. My son wanted to know if Batman was flying it."
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    I was wondering if it this recent incident with the Russian Bombers near California airspace had anything to do with the article above and below...

    Putin on notice: Two U.S. stealth bombers head to Europe for first time amid tension


    A B-2 Spirit multi-role bomber conducts air refueling operations with a KC-135 Stratotanker over the Pacific on April 4, 2005. (Image: Department of Defense)
    By Douglas Ernst

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    Two U.S. B-2 Spirit stealth bombers are being deployed to Europe for the first time. The deployment of the advanced aircraft will be used for “short term deployment” at Fairford, a Royal Air Force base in England — just three hours from Russia.

    “This deployment of strategic bombers provides an invaluable opportunity to strengthen and improve interoperability with our allies and partners,” said Adm. Cecil Haney, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, CNN reported Tuesday.

    “The training and integration of strategic forces demonstrates to our nation’s leaders and our allies that we have the right mix of aircraft and expertise to respond to a variety of potential threats and situations,” he continued.


    The radar-evading B-2 bombers are likely being used as a show of force to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has been accused of fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine after the Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea.


    The stealth bombers, which can carry up to 50,000 pounds of bombs, assisted Europe and NATO allies in 1999 with targeting bombing runs in Serbia, but they were operating at the time out of Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri, the International Business Times reported Tuesday. The round-trip missions lasted 30 hours.

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    Yes.

    It's all related.

    Tit-for-tat probably at this point.
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    Nuclear-capable Russian bombers intercepted by U.S. fighter jets 50 miles off northern California coast

    The U.S. Air Force scrambled two F-22 jets to intercept the Russian TU-95 Bear planes, which were believed to be on a training mission.

    BY Melanie Greenwood

    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Thursday, June 12, 2014, 11:58 AM






    331/332-SQUADRON/ASSOCIATED PRESS Two Russian TU-95 Bear H planes, like this one, came within 50 miles of the California coast on Monday — and then were chased off by a pair of U.S. F-15 jets.

    U.S. air defense systems reacted Monday when two of four nuclear-capable Russian bombers veered from Alaska to within 50 miles of the Californian coast — the closest since the Cold War.


    The incident, which involved Russia's long-strike TU-95 Bear planes, happened about 4:30 p.m.


    "The last time we saw anything similar was two years ago on the Fourth of July," U.S. Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told the Free Beacon.


    The four turbo-prop Russian bombers entered U.S. space near the western Aleutian Islands. Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets scrambled to intercept them.


    Two of the Bears turned and headed toward a strategic base near Anadyr in far eastern Russia.


    The other pair jetted southeast, entering the U.S. northern air defense zone off the northern California coast about 9:30 p.m.


    Two U.S. F-15 jets intercepted the bombers as they flew within 50 miles of the U.S. before veering to the west.


    The Russian bombers, bristling with electronic warfare and intelligence-gathering sensors, have a range of 9,400 miles and were supported by two IL-78 aerial refueling tankers.


    "We assess this was part of training. And they did not enter territorial airspace," Davis said.


    North American Aerospace Defense Command, commonly called NORAD, confirmed the incident.


    Russia's nuclear saber-rattling is thought to be related to Moscow's military meddling in Crimea, Ukraine, and in reaction to U.S. missile defenses in Europe.


    House Armed Services Committee member Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) called the Russian actions “intentional provocations.”


    "Putin is doing this to taunt the U.S. and exercise some sort of saber-rattling, muscle-flexing nonsense. Truth is we would have squashed either one of those (bombers) like baby seals," he said.


    Retired Air Force Lt. Gen Thomas McInerney said he couldn’t remember a case of Russian strategic bombers coming so close to the U.S. coast – even at the height of the Cold War.


    On April 23, a Russian SU-27 interceptor jet turned to reveal its air-to-air missiles and recklessly flew within 100 feet of a U.S. RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft over the Sea of Okhotsk, north of Japan.


    In the last decade, 50 bombers have triggered the U.S. air defenses.
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    World War 3: Russian Tanks Invade Ukraine, Bombers Buzz US Coast… Or Is That Russophobia Propaganda?

    Is the talk about World War 3 just propaganda generated by Western media? Recent headlines have reported on Russian tanks invading eastern Ukraine and Russian bombers spotted by the US Air Force about 50 miles off of California’s coastline. Or is America suffering from an old-fashioned, 1950′s style case of “Russophobia” as claimed by the government of Vladimir Putin? In a related report by The Inquisitr, some financial experts claim China and Russia have started Cold War 2 by launching initiatives to wage open economic warfare on the US dollar and US companies. Bill Clinton even claims Putin is trying to build a new Russian empire to rival the one from the USSR and Hillary has compared the Russian President to Hitler.
    But some experts believe the United States will start World War 3 and not the other two countries. For example, some people claim the United States space command is planning a nuclear weapons first strike scenario in the event that WW3 starts.



    Despite Russia’s advances in the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, some people believe that the United States’ influence over the world is to blame. For example, one Russian born journalist writes that the US and NATO are pushing the world to the brink of World War 3:
    “The anti-Chinese and anti-Russian propaganda howl is reaching a deafening crescendo, especially in Asia. Western media outlets are in the highest gear, spreading propaganda through both their own outlets and through their local media affiliates in the client states, mostly owned by big business. China and Russia are now vilified, openly insulted, and blamed for the escalation of tensions in the Asia-Pacific region, and for the military build up. The entire mighty Western propaganda machine is now at work, demonizing China, Russia and other independent countries. It is because the West is obviously pushing this planet towards the war.”
    Picking up on this theme, when talking about Finland joining NATO, even Vladimir Putin’s personal envoy, Sergei Markov, says that fear of Russia could start World War 3:
    “Anti-Semitism started World War II, Russophobia could start the third. Finland is one of the most russiphobian countries in Europe, together with Sweden and the Baltic states…. Russia recommends Finland not to join NATO. That military alliance has lost its aim and goal and is therefore looking for new tasks. If Finland joins NATO it would weaken the security in Europe, not strengthen it.”

    Besides Russia, it’s also claimed that the US Navy is “re-positioning 60 per cent of US military assets to the Pacific,” and Filipino newspapers are comparing the Ukraine crisis to China by saying, “Russia’s incursion into Ukraine has raised concern in Washington that China may try something similar in staking its territorial claims, in the guise of protecting its citizens overseas.”


    As an example, the Vietnam riots targeted Chinese companies and also the Chinese oil rigs that have allegedly invaded Vietnam’s waters in order to steal their oil.
    If World War 3 starts, who do you think should be blamed: Russia, China, or the United States? Will it even matter who started it, when everyone will probably die in a nuclear apocalypse?
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    hmmm


    World War III, Class Conflict and the History of Warfare. The Global Corporate Elites against The World’s People

    By Prof. Ismael Hossein-Zadeh
    Global Research, June 09, 2014

    Region: USA
    Theme: Global Economy, US NATO War Agenda







    Most pundits of historical developments tend to perceive another global war, often called WW III, in a manner similar to World Wars I and II; that is, large scale deployment of military means in pursuit of defeat, destruction or subjugation of contending opponents.


    While prospects of such an ominous scenario certainly cannot be ruled out, there is reason to believe, however, that the much talked-about WW III may be of a different type: more interclass than international. Viewed in this light, WW III is already here; it has indeed been raging on for years: the unilateral, cross-border neoliberal war of austerity economics that is waged by the transnational class of financial oligarchy against the overwhelming majority of world citizens, the global 99%.


    Globalization of capital and interdependence of world markets has reached a point where large scale military clashes of the magnitude of World Wars I & II could lead to financial catastrophe for all. Not surprisingly, the network of transnational financial elites, who often elect politicians and run governments from behind the scenes, seem to be averse to another wholesale international war that could paralyze worldwide financial markets.


    This explains why imperialistic aggressions of late have often taken the form of “soft-power” interventions: color-coded revolutions, “democratic” coup d’états, manufactured civil wars, economic sanctions, and the like. Of course, military option always lurks in the background to be employed when/if “soft-power” strategies of regime change fail or prove insufficient. Even then, however, all efforts are made (by the major capitalist powers) to make such military interventions “controlled” or “manageable,” that is, limited to local or national levels. While “controlled” wars tend to safeguard the fortunes of war profiteers and beneficiaries of military spending (mainly the military-security-industrial complex and major banks), they would not cause paralysis of international financial markets.


    This also explains why major world powers such as China, Russia, India, and Brazil tend to shy away from standing up more robustly to the bullying policies of the United States. Wealthy oligarchic circles in these countries have more in common with their elite counterparts in the U.S. and other core capitalist countries than their fellow countrymen at home. “Whether they maintain primary residences in New York or Hong Kong, Moscow or Mumbai, today’s super-rich are increasingly a nation unto themselves,” points out Chrystia Freeland, Global Editor of Reuters, who travels with the elites to many parts of the world. It is therefore only logical to believe that a de facto alliance exists between members of this global “nation” of the super-rich, which helps facilitate the operations of imperialist schemes of regime change. For example, when/if Russia is threatened by the U.S. and its European allies, Russian oligarchs tend to clandestinely collaborate with their class counterparts in the West, thereby undermining Russia’s resistance to such interferences from Western powers.


    A brief look at recent schemes of regime change in countries like Iraq and Libya, on the one hand, and Ukraine and Iran, on the other, can help an understanding of when or where the imperialist powers resort to direct military action to bring about regime change (as in Iraq and Libya), and where or when they resort to “soft-power” tactics to achieve the same goal, as in Ukraine and Iran. Two major reasons or considerations can be identified in this context, that is, in regard with the imperialist choice of the means or tactics of regime change.


    The first is related to the level of class differentiation within countries targeted for regime change. Due to extensive (and often scandalous) privatization of public property in both Ukraine and Iran, there have emerged quite wealthy circles of financial oligarchs in both of these countries. These Western-oriented money magnates tend to collaborate with the interventionist forces of regime change from abroad; they are essentially agents of regime change from within, in collaboration with imperialist forces from without. This explains (at least partially) why schemes of regime change in these two countries have relied primarily on “soft-power” and color revolutions instead of direct military intervention.


    By contrast, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and Qaddafi’s Libya lacked such influential and internationally connected wealthy classes. While neither Saddam nor Qaddafi were paragons of virtue or champions of democracy, they did played the role what is sometimes called “enlightened dictators”: they implemented extensive welfare state programs, maintained strong public-sector economies, opposed privatization of public services such as health and education, and kept major or “strategic” industries such as energy and banking/financial system under state ownership and control. Combined, these policies prevented the rise of powerful financial elites such as those emerged and developed in Iran or Ukraine. This meant, among other things, that “soft-power” and/or color revolution tactics of regime change, which heavily rely on native or local allies, the so-called comprador bourgeoisie, did not have a good chance of success in these countries—hence the use of “hard-power” or direct military intervention/occupation of both Iraq and Libya.


    The second imperialist consideration in the choice of soft- versus hard-power tactics of regime change is related to whether a war to be waged in pursuit of regime change can be controlled and managed at the local or national level, or whether it may spin out of control and become regional and/or global. In the case of Ukraine, for example, a direct military aggression would certainly have involved Russia, very likely become global, with disastrous economic/financial consequences beyond the control of imperialist powers—hence the choice of soft-power and/or “democratic” coup d’état in Ukraine. A similar concern that an all-out war against Iran may get out of control likewise explains why schemes of regime change in that country too have (so far) focused primarily on economic sanctions and other soft-power tactics, including the color-coded “green revolution” of 2009.


    By contrast, “hard power” or sheer military force was used for regime change in Iraq and Libya out of near-certain knowledge that the wars of regime change against these countries could be controlled fairly successfully, that is, prevented from becoming regional or global.
    The Case of Ukraine


    The recent and ongoing crisis in Ukraine serves as a clear case of how transnational financial elites tend to avoid cataclysmic international wars of the scale of World War I or II in favor of controllable and often interclass wars by means of economic sanctions and other types of “soft-power” tactics.
    In the immediate aftermath of the February 22 (2014) putsch in Kiev, which ousted the duly elected President Viktor Yanukovych and brought to power the U.S.-backed coup regime, tensions between Russia and Western powers ran so high that many observers warned of “the impending WW III.” While those earlier tensions and the concomitant danger of major military clashes between the two sides still exist, they have subsided considerably since the early May when President Putin of Russia effectively blinked in the standoff with Western powers and announced (on May 7th) that Russia would respect the presidential election in Ukraine, and work with whomever is elected—which turned out to be the billionaire oligarch Petro Proshenko.


    Despite the fact that the brutal crackdown on the autonomy-seeking activists in Ukraine’s eastern/south-eastern provinces continues unabated, diplomatic maneuvers spearheaded by the representatives of the financial elites from the U.S., Europe, Ukraine and Russia have nonetheless succeeded in averting a military clash between the U.S. and Russian sides.


    So, what changed all the earlier threats of wholesale sanctions and/or military actions against Russia to the somewhat diffused tensions and “diplomatic solutions” of today?
    The answer, in a nutshell, is that the powerful economic interests vested in international finance, trade and investment (that is, the financial elites in Russia, Ukraine and the core capitalist countries) simply could not risk another uncontrollable world war. Surely, big banks and the influential military-security-industrial complexes tend to flourish on perpetual wars and international tensions. But they also tend to prefer “manageable” or “controllable” wars at the local or national levels (such those waged against Iraq or Libya, for example) to cataclysmic large scale wars on a regional or global level.


    It is no secret that as Russia’s economy has become increasingly intertwined with Western economies (largely due to economic power and behavior of its transnational oligarchs), it has also become increasingly vulnerable to global market fluctuations and threats of economic sanctions. This explains, to a large extent, President Putin’s conciliatory gestures and accommodating policies to diffuse hostilities over Ukraine crisis diplomatically.


    What is less known, however, is that Western economies too are vulnerable to sanctions from Russia, should Russia decide to retaliate. In fact, Russia has at its possession some powerful economic weapons with which to retaliate, if necessary. Economic wounds from such reciprocal sanctions could be very painful to a number of European countries. Due to interconnection of most economies and financial markets, tit-for-tat sanctions could significantly exacerbate the already fragile European and, indeed, world economy:
    “Sanctions on Russian exports would greatly expose the EU. Europe imports 30 percent of its gas from the Russian state-owned company Gazprom. Russia is also Europe’s biggest customer. The EU is, by far, Russia’s leading trade partner and accounts for about 50 percent of all Russian exports and imports. In 2014, EU-Russia overall trade stands at around 360 billion Euros per year. Russia’s total export to the EU, which is principally raw materials such as gas and oil, stands at around 230 billion Euros, while Russia’s imports from the EU amount to around 130 billion Euros of mainly manufactured products as well as foodstuff. The EU is also the largest investor in the Russian economy and accounts for 75 percent of all foreign investments in Russia” [1].
    Russia could also retaliate against Western powers’ policies and threats of freezing the assets of Russian individuals and companies by freezing the assets of Western companies and investors:
    “In case of Western economic sanctions, Russian lawmakers have announced that they would pass a bill to freeze the assets of European and American companies that operate in Russia. On the other side, more than 100 Russian businessmen and politicians are allegedly targeted by the EU for a freeze of their European assets. Besides Alexey Miller, head of the state-owned Gazprom, the CEO of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, is also apparently on the sanction hit list. Rosneft is the largest listed oil company in the world and, as such, has partners worldwide, including in the West. For example, the U.S.-based company Exxon-Mobil has a $500 million oil-exploration project with Rosneft in Siberia, and Exxon-Mobil is already in partnership with the Russian giant oil company to exploit Black Sea oil reserves” [2].
    Russia has at its disposal additional economic weapons to inflict damage to the U.S. and European economies. For example, in reaction to threats to its assets being frozen by the U.S. and its European allies, Russia liquidated (in late February and early March 2014) more than $100 billion of its holdings in U.S. Treasury Bonds. Escalation of such reckless threats of freezing the assets of “unfriendly” governments could well involve China with disastrous consequences for the U.S. dollar, as “China owns an estimated $1.3 trillion in U.S. Treasury Bonds and is the number one investor amongst foreign governments” [3].


    This high degree of economic/financial interconnection explains why—with the backing of Washington and the nodding of Moscow—European diplomats from Berlin and Brussels rushed to Kiev, engineered the establishment of the so-called Round Table Discussions and paved the way for the bogus May 25th presidential election, thereby giving legitimacy to the regime of coup d’état and averting the prospect of a mutually destructive escalation of economic sanctions and/or military actions.
    Comparison with Iraq and Libya


    Regime change in Libya (2011) and Iraq (2003) by means of “hard-power” military interventions (as opposed to “soft-power” schemes of regime change) tend to support the main argument of this essay that, in pursuit of regime change, imperialist powers resort to direct military action where (a) such military involvements can be controlled or restricted to the targeted country, and (b) there is an absence of significant or powerful local allies in the targeted country, that is, local forces of wealthy oligarchs with ties to global markets and, therefore, to external forces of regime change.


    Although both Qaddafi and Saddam ruled their countries heavy handedly, they maintained strong public-sector economies and widely nationalized industries and services. This was especially true in the case of strategic industries such as energy, banking, transportation and communications, as well as vital social services such as health, education and utilities. They did this not so much out of socialist convictions (although they occasionally claimed to be champions of “Arab Socialism”), but because, in their struggles against earlier rival regimes of tribal and landed aristocracies, they had learned that control of national economies through bureaucratic state management, along with a strong welfare state, was more beneficial to the cause of stability and continuity of their rule than allowing the development of unbridled market forces and/or the emergence of powerful industrialists and financiers in the private sector.


    Whatever the motivation, the fact remains that neither Saddam nor Qaddafi countenanced the rise of powerful financial elites with significant ties to global markets or Western powers. Not surprisingly, opposition figures and forces that collaborated with the imperialist schemes of regime change in these two countries consisted largely of either the remnants of the royal/tribal days, or petty intellectual expats and military nemeses of Saddam and Qaddafi who were forced to live in exile. Unlike the financial elites in Ukraine, for example, opposition forces in Iraq and Libya lacked either the economic means to finance the forces of regime change, or an extensive social base/support in their native countries. They also lacked strong or reliable financial and political ties with Western markets and political establishments.


    This explains why economic sanctions and other “soft-power” tactics (such as mobilizing, training and funding opposition forces) proved insufficient to change the regimes of Saddam and Qaddafi; and why U.S. imperialism and its allies had to deploy the “hard-power” of military action/occupation to achieve this nefarious goal. Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, interventionist imperial powers were certain that (contrary to the cases of Ukraine or Iran, for instance) such military invasions could be controlled and prevented from going beyond the borders of Libya or Iraq.


    The Case of Iran


    The U.S. policy of regime change in Iran seems to resemble more the pattern that has been followed in Ukraine than those pursued in Iraq or Libya. This is largely because (a) it is feared that direct military intervention in Iran could not be controlled or limited to that country alone, and (b) Iran has a relatively well-developed, Western-oriented financial oligarchy on whom the U.S. and its allies can rely to bring about reform and/or regime change from within.


    It is, of course, not an either-or policy: either military power or “soft power.” It is rather a matter of more or less reliance on one or the other policy, depending on specific circumstances. Indeed, the imperialist agenda of regime change in Iran since the 1979 revolution in that country has included a number of (often concurrent) tactics. They range from instigating and supporting Saddam Hussein to invade Iran (in 1980), to training and funding destabilizing anti-Iran terrorist organizations, to constant war and military threats, to efforts to sabotage the 2009 presidential election through the so-called “green revolution,” and to systematic escalation of economic sanctions.


    Having failed (so far) at its nefarious plots of “regime change” from without, the U.S. seems to have shifted emphasis in recent years to regime change (or reform) from within; that is, through political and economic collaboration with the Western-oriented currents within the ruling circles of Iran. What seems to have made this option more attractive to the U.S. and its allies is the rise of an ambitious capitalist class in Iran whose chief priority seems to be the ability to do business with their counterparts in the West. These are largely the wealthy Iranian oligarchs who literally mean business, so to speak; for them, issues such as nuclear technology or national sovereignty are of secondary importance. Having methodically (and often scandalously) enriched themselves in the shadow of the public sector of the Iranian economy, or by virtue of political/bureaucratic positions they held (or still hold) in various stations in the government apparatus, these folks have by now lost all appetite they once had for radical economic measures required for economic self-reliance in order to resist or withstand the brunt of the brutal economic sanctions. Instead, they now seem eager to strike business and investment deals with their transnational class allies abroad.


    More than any other social strata, President Rouhani and his administration represent the interests and aspirations of this rising capitalist–financier class in Iran. Representatives of this class of financial oligarchy wield economic and political power mainly through the highly influential Iran Chamber of Commerce, Industries, Mines, and Agriculture (ICCIMA). Ideological and/or philosophical affinity between President Rouhani and the power-brokers residing within ICCIMA is reflected in the fact that, immediately upon his election, the president appointed the former head of the Chamber of Commerce Mohammad Nahavandian, a U.S.-educated neoliberal economist and an advisor to former president Hashemi Rafsanjani, as his chief of staff.


    It was through the Iran Chamber of Commerce that, in September 2013, an Iranian economic delegation accompanied President Rouhani to the United Nations in New York to negotiate potential business/investment deals with their American counterparts. The Iran Chamber of Commerce has also organized a number of economic delegations that have accompanied Iran’s Foreign Minister Zarif to Europe in pursuit of similar objectives.


    Many observers of the U.S.-Iran relations tend to think that the recently initiated diplomatic dialogue between the two countries, including regular contacts within the framework of Iran’s nuclear negotiations, started with the election of Mr. Rouhani as President. Evidence shows, however, that behind-the-scene contacts between representatives of the financial elites in and around the U.S. and Iranian governments started long before Mr. Rouhani was elected as president. For example, a relatively well-researched report by the Wall Street Journal recently revealed that
    “Top [U.S.] National Security Council officials began planting the seeds for such an exchange months earlier—holding a series of secret meetings and telephone calls and convening an assortment of Arab monarchs, Iranian exiles and former U.S. diplomats to clandestinely ferry messages between Washington and Tehran, according to current and former U.S., Middle Eastern and European officials briefed on the effort” [4].
    The report, showing how the “intricate communications network helped propel the recent steps toward U.S.-Iran rapprochement,” indicated that the often behind-the-scene “meetings were held in Europe, primarily the Swedish capital of Stockholm.” Using international diplomatic conduits such as the Asia Society, the United Nations Association and the Council on Foreign Relations, “The American and Iranian sides gathered in hotels and conference halls, seeking formulas to defuse the crisis over Iran’s nuclear program and avert a war,” the report further pointed out. The authors of the report, Jay Solomon and Carol E. Lee, also wrote:
    “The Asia Society and the nongovernmental Council on Foreign Relations hosted roundtables for Messrs. Rouhani and Zarif on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly meeting in September. The two men used them to explain Tehran’s plans to American businessmen, former government officials, academics and journalists.
    “Mr. Obama personally reached out to Mr. Rouhani last summer soon after Rouhani’s election). The U.S. president penned a letter to the new Iranian leader, stressing Washington’s desire to end the nuclear dispute peacefully. Mr. Rouhani responded with similar sentiments.


    “Mr. Zarif, meanwhile, reconnected with prominent American foreign-policy officials he met while serving as Iran’s ambassador to the U.N. in the 2000s.
    “Ms. DiMaggio of the Asia Society says she was among those in New York who contacted Mr. Zarif shortly after he was brought in to the Rouhani government. A veteran facilitator of informal contacts between Iranian and American officials, she held numerous meetings over the past decade with the U.S.-educated diplomat on ways to end the nuclear impasse” [5].
    This explains why President Rouhani (and his circl of outward-looking, Western-oriented advisors) chose Mr. Zarif as foreign minister; and why they have, perhaps unwisely, pinned all their hopes of an economic recovery in Iran on political and economic rapprochement with the West, that is, on free trade and unrestricted investment from the U.S. and other major capitalist countries. (Incidentally, this also explains why President Rouhani’s team of nuclear negotiators has, willy nilly, been condemned to a weak bargaining position in their discussions with the group of P5+1 countries; and why the Iranian negotiators have given up so much for so little.)
    Conclusion and Implications


    While powerful beneficiaries of war and military spending—Major banks (as primary lenders to governments) and the military-security-industrial complex— thrive on war and international tensions, they nonetheless tend to prefer local, national, limited, or “manageable” wars to large scale regional or global wars that, in a cataclysmic fashion, could paralyze global markets altogether. This goes some way to explain why in pursuit of regime change in Iraq and Libya, for example, the United States and its allies relied on direct military action/occupation; whereas in cases like Ukraine and Iran they have (so far) avoided direct military intervention and relied, instead, on “soft-power” tactics and color-coded revolutions. As noted earlier, this is largely because, for one thing, it is feared that war and military intervention in Ukraine or Iran may not be “controllable”; for another, there are large and sufficiently influential pro-Western financial elites in both Iran and Ukraine who could be relied upon in pursuit of reform and/or regime change from within, that is, without risking another catastrophic world war that could destroy the fortunes of the transnational capitalist class along with everything else.


    Interventionist powers have almost always been keen on the utility of the age-old divide and rule tactics. What is relatively new in the context of this discussion is that, in addition to older patterns of utilization of this tactic (which have often relied on divisive issues such as nationality, ethnicity, race, religion and the like), recent instances of the use of this scheme are increasingly relying on class divisions. The calculation seems to be that, when/if a country like Iran or Ukraine can be divided across the class lines, and alliances can be built with the wealthy oligarchs of the countries targeted for regime change, why embark on a wholesale military attack that could in an undiscriminating fashion hurt your own and your local allies’ interests along with those of your foes. When economic sanctions along with alliances and collaborations with the economically powerful native oligarchs can be used to carry out “democratic coup d’états or color-coded revolutions (often through bogus elections) why risk an indiscriminate military attack with uncertain and potentially catastrophic consequences.


    This shows (among other things) how imperial policies of aggression have evolved over time—from the earlier stages of “crude” military occupation of the colonial days to today’s subtle, multipronged and stealthy tactics of intervention. In terms or in the context of recent U.S. foreign policy adventures, it can be argued that while the former pattern of blatantly imperialistic aggressions finds relevance to President George W. Bush’s unabashedly militaristic foreign policies, the latter pattern finds parallels in President Barack Obama’s insidiously “sophisticated” and stealthily interventionist policies. While champions of the blatantly militaristic faction of the U.S. ruling elite criticize Mr. Obama as a “gun-shy” or “weak” president, the fact is that his relatively low-key but sneaky policy of methodically building coalitions—both with traditional allies of the United States and the oligarchic or comprador forces in countries targeted for regime change—has proven more effective (in terms of regime change) than the Bush-Cheney-type policy of unilateral military action. This is neither speculation nor simply theoretical: Secretary of State John Kerry recently made this point quite clear in the context of the Obama administration’s policy toward Ukraine and Iran. When he was asked on May 30, 2014, by Gwen Ifill of Public Broadcasting System (PBS): “Does the president get a bad rap, in your opinion, for being weak or not taking the long homer runs instead of the base hits?” Mr. Kerry replied:
    I don’t think the president, frankly, takes enough credit for the successes that are on the table right now. . . . I mean, if you look at what has happened in Ukraine, the president led an effort to try to keep Europe unified with the United States, to put difficult sanctions on the table. Europe wasn’t thrilled with that but they came along. That was leadership. And the president succeeded in having an impact ultimately, together with the Europeans, on the choices that face President Putin.


    In addition, the president has engaged with Iran. We were on a course to absolute collision where they were building a nuclear system and the world was standing opposed to that. But the president put in place a series of sanctions, a capacity to be able to bring Iran to the table. We are now in the middle of negotiations. Everyone will agree the sanctions regime has held together. The weapon – the nuclear program has been frozen and rolled backwards. And we now have expanded the amount of time that Iran might have for a breakout. That’s a success.
    So I think we are as engaged, more engaged than in any time in American history, and I think that case is there to be fully proven and laid out.
    And that is the essence of the foxy imperialism characteristic of the Obama administration, versus the adolescent imperialism of Bush (Jr.) administration.

    Ismael Hossein-zadeh is Professor Emeritus of Economics (Drake University). He is the author of Beyond Mainstream Explanations of the Financial Crisis (Routledge 2014), The Political Economy of U.S. Militarism (Palgrave–Macmillan 2007), and the Soviet Non-capitalist Development: The Case of Nasser’s Egypt (Praeger Publishers 1989). He is also a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press 2012).

    References
    [1] Gilbert Mercier, “Ukraine’s Crisis: Economic Sanctions Could Trigger a Global Depression,” <http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/28/ukraines-crisis/>.
    [2] Ibid.
    [3] Ibid.
    [4] Wall Street Journal, “U.S.-Iran Thaw Grew From Years Of Behind-the-Scenes Talks,” <http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...81710805094376>.
    [5] Ibid.
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    World War 3: Forget Ukraine, Iraq Is The Most Likely Flash Point

    Over the past few months speculation has been rife that the events in Ukraine could trigger the next World War. Numerous articles have proclaimed that to be the most likely scenario.


    But is it?


    The actions of the Islamic militant group calling itself ” The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria” – or ISIS – has created a new situation on the ground which has a far greater potential for setting off a world conflict than Ukraine could ever have.


    Despite all the world posturing and tut-tutting about the Crimea, it is, after all, simply a piece of land whose ownership is disputed. Viewed objectively, given the demographic structure of the area, the Russians have at least an arguable case to justify its annexation. Whether the fears of the local Russian speaking population were real or imagined, it’s now a fait-accompli, and no one is going to do anything to change the situation any time soon.


    Even that the expansion of Russian interests in other parts of Ukraine have similar elements of justification, which might keep the diplomats busy for a few months, but are unlikely to include any significant military dimension.


    But the situation in the Middle East is completely different. It is far more volatile and dangerous because it is not really a question of land. What the world is witnessing, not for the first time – and certainly not for the last – is a clash of ideologies within Islam.


    Some may feel that while they are busy butchering and beheading each other at least they are not a threat to the rest of the world.


    That is mistaken and shortsighted thinking.


    With every passing year, the theories of Samuel P. Huntington that people’s cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world, gain even more credence.


    Huntington’s concept, which he aptly termed “The Clash of Civilizations” was first proposed in 1992. Since then, the world has witnessed with growing horror the expansion of ever increasingly radical Islamic groups in almost every corner of the globe. Islamic militant groups are active in Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Nigeria, Kenya, Lebanon, The Palestinian territories, and Gaza, just to list a few.


    Although Russia nominally crushed the Islamists of Chechnya, remnants of them still manage the odd bombing atrocity in Russia. Islamic activity in China also appears to have been suppressed, but facts from there are almost impossible to verify.


    But Islamic extremism and terrorism is not confined to countries with mainly Muslim populations. From the attack on the Twin Towers in New York to the London bus bombings to the Madrid train bombings, Islam carried its war to the rest of the world.


    And the world cleaned up the sites, mourned – and moved on. Some might argue that the U.S., and one or two other countries, tried to do something about those atrocities by invading Iraq, toppling Saddam Hussein, fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and (eventually) killing their leader, Osama bin-Laden. History will judge whether those tactics succeeded or not; currently, the legacy is not looking too good.


    Why could the actions of ISIS trigger a third world war?


    It all depends on which group, or groups, the major powers ally themselves with and support diplomatically, financially, or militarily. We are today witnessing the truth of the adage that adversity makes strange bedfellows. Even a week ago, who could have envisaged a scenario in which the U.S. and Iran could share a mutual interest, and possibly support each other in actions against ISIS?


    Apart from the fact that Russia, and sometimes China, have an almost knee-jerk reaction against any direction the U.S. might take in the international arena, Israel is the wild card in the pack. If it senses that – for whatever reason – the U.S. and Iran will find themselves allies, it will understand that the U.S. will be constrained in taking further action against Iran regarding its efforts to manufacture a nuclear bomb.


    Facing such a situation, The Israeli government may feel that he window of opportunity to take military action against Iran is rapidly closing. Although, until now, the prevailing belief has been that Israel could not act alone – and succeed – it could be, and probably is the fact, that Israel will be left with no alternative. Diplomatic efforts to stop the Iranian nuclear program have palpably failed.


    The danger of such a course of action is that it would almost certainly result in the Islamist factions stopping their mutual bloodletting in order to confront their joint enemy, Israel. From that point, it does not require too much imagination to project what will be the effect of world and regional governments aligning themselves with one side or the other.


    World War 3 starting in the Middle East as an indirect result of the actions of ISIS is not such a fanciful prediction!
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    Quote Originally Posted by American Patriot View Post
    Yesterday they were defending that oil refinery and had pushed back the insurgents (Look further back, I posted the article in this thread sometime yesterday). I can't keep up with this crap it's happening so fast.

    Guys, I hate to say this but between Ukraine, Iran, Russia and Iraq, we're already into World War III.

    It's just a matter of time before the shit REALLY hits the fan and someone starts shooting bigger stuff.
    Not good.

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    I am never right (or mostly wrong) when I make predictions like this.

    Fortunately....

    In fact, I've become superstitious over this to the point I think it HELPS if I predict something particularly nasty, so it doesn't end up coming true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American Patriot View Post
    I am never right (or mostly wrong) when I make predictions like this.

    Fortunately....

    In fact, I've become superstitious over this to the point I think it HELPS if I predict something particularly nasty, so it doesn't end up coming true.
    Well, ISIL is a nightmare directly of the Obama Administration's making, in order to fight Baathist Syria, and now it has morphed into the newest Nation on Earth, an Islamic Wahhabbi theocracy, that will threaten all it's neighbors very existence.

    Prince Bandar wasn't kidding when he threatened Putin by activating groups under Saudi control, question is; what exactly are those 'groups', given the widespread nature of Saudi money and influence? We need new allies, we don't have to like them but by God we need them.
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    A quote from Lt. Colonel Hal Moore in We Were Soldiers seems appropriate about now...

    "It's getting pretty sporty down here, sir!"

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    Just a few minutes ago.

    RAF Fighter Jets Sent To Head Off Russia Planes




    RAF Typhoons were scrambled to intercept "multiple Russian aircraft" over Baltic airspace, it has been revealed.
    A Russian Su-27 Flanker (top) with an RAF Typhoon fighter
    The fighter jets from 3 (Fighter) Squadron were launched after four separate groups of aircraft were detected by air defences in international airspace near the region.
    A statement issued by the Ministry of Defence said the operation was part of Nato's ongoing mission to police Baltic airspace.
    Two Russian Su-27 Flankers with an RAF Typhoon (distant)
    A Russian Su-27 Flanker
    "Once airborne, the British jets identified the aircraft as a Russian Tupolev Tu-22 Backfire bomber, four Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker fighters, one Beriev A-50 Mainstay early warning aircraft and an Antonov An-26 Curl transport aircraft who appeared to be carrying out a variety of routine training," the statement said.


    "The Russian aircraft were monitored by the RAF Typhoons and escorted on their way."
    A Russian Beriev A-50 Mainstay early warning aircraft during the mission
    A Russian Tu-22 Backfire bomber during the operation
    It added that the Typhoon pilots involved in the operation were Flight Lieutenant Mark Long of 29 (Reserve) Squadron and a French Air Force exchange pilot Commandant Marc-antoine Gerrard, who is currently attached to 1(Fighter) Squadron.


    Flt Lt Long said: "The Typhoon is a superb aircraft that makes intercepting other aircraft exceptionally easy, today’s interception of the Russian Flankers is all in day's work for an RAF fighter pilot."
    An Antonov An-26 Curl transport aircraft during the intercept
    Typhoon Detachment Commander Wing Commander Ian Townsend said: "We regularly intercept Russian and civilian aircraft ... so this type of mission is core business for us and exactly what we were sent to the Baltic region by Nato to do.
    "It was a thoroughly successful operation with both my groundcrew and aircrew performing to the exacting professional high standards I have come to expect."
    The RAF also released a number of images from the operation.
    The Russian Beriev A-50 Mainstay early warning aircraft
    A Russian Su-27 Flanker
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