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    Pentagon Says Russia Firing Artillery Directly Into Ukraine From Within Its Borders


    Things just got even more heated in Ukraine.
    During a press briefing yesterday, State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf claimed that Moscow is boosting its military shipments to the separtists in Ukraine.


    “We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful rocket launchers to separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attach Ukrainian military positions,” Harf told reporters.


    Although the US still hasn’t determined what brought down the two Ukrainian fighter jets planes on Wednesday – rebels have claimed responsibility saying they used man-portable, shoulder-fired missiles – US officials are confident that Russia has been firing across the border.





    “For several days the Russians have been firing artillery into Ukraine,” said Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman. “This is clearly a military escalation.”


    This new information certainly makes it even more obvious that the Russians were behind the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 last week.


    To be sure, Putin’s denials were weak to begin with. But now that we know that in the face of international criticism he has decided to increase support to the separtists as opposed to help the effort to pull them back, there is no reason to treat him as anything but an enemy.


    It is my hope that this new development will spark new debate in Europe on the need to levy tougher sanctions on Russia.


    “Almost every European state has voluntarily handed over power to Mr. Putin, allowing him to play countries against each other,” said Marietje Schaake, an influential member of the European Parliament. “We should choose for energy independency, for principles, human rights and rule of law. But that is not what we are doing now.”


    Though it took longer than many would’ve liked, the US has finally stood up for our principles, human rights and rule of law through the latest round of sanctions. They surely could go further and target Putin himself and this may very well happen if things continue as they have. But it is time that Europe at least catches up with the US.


    The toll will be heavy for many European countries. For instance, Shell, the Anglo-Dutch oil giant, has its head office in the Hague and is one of the world’s largest investors in Russian gas fields in Siberia. Thus far, Shell has declined to comment on whether they will reconsider their investment in light of the MH17 crash.


    European nations must consider that there is so much more to lose than money at this point.


    Standing up to Russia and Putin is a matter of national character, which is arguably more important than a nation’s coffers. It’s high time that Europe recognized this.
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    Ukraine says Russia shelled its troops across the border






    The Ukrainian army on Friday charged that its soldiers came under artillery fire from the Russian side of the border overnight, bolstering claims by U.S. officials that the Russian military has been firing artillery rounds at Ukrainian military targets for several days.


    U.S. officials also charged that Russia intends to deliver more powerful rocket launchers to separatist groups.


    Ukrainian forces in the eastern regions are trying to close in on the rebels, cutting them off from the border with Russia which Kiev believes is the source of arms and reinforcement.


    In a statement on Friday, the headquarters of the Ukrainian military operation in the east listed at least seven locations where rebels attacked Ukrainian troops.


    They also claimed that attacks on two locations including a border crossing were supported by artillery fire from Russia.


    Moscow has vehemently denied a role in the conflict between pro-Russian separatists and government troops which has left more than 400 people dead and displaced tens of thousands.


    "Unfortunately, it is not for the first time that we hear unproven allegations," a spokesman said for the Russian embassy in Washington said regarding the latest U.S. allegations, according to The Wall Street Journal. "In fact, it is the Russian territory that is being shelled form the Ukraine."


    Around 40 shells from fighting over on the Ukrainian side of the border have landed and exploded in the Russian village of Primiusskiy, according to head of the press department of the Rostov Region border service Vasily Malaev, the government-run RT.com reports.


    The charges by U.S. officials on Thursday focused on what they described as deliberate shelling from the Russian side.


    Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said rounds were fired again on Ukrainian military targets Thursday in a "clear escalation" of hostilities.


    "This has been happening, we believe, for several days," said Warren. "This is a military escalation, there's no question about it."


    Russia has about 12,000 troops on the border with Ukraine, he said. Russian tanks, artillery and rocket launchers have crossed into eastern Ukraine to support separatists.


    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has not spoken to his Russian counterpart about the artillery attack and has no plans to, Warren said.


    The State Department also said Thursday they had evidence of the Russian attack.


    "We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russian to attack Ukrainian military positions," State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.


    Ukraine's government has also charged that the missiles that brought down two Ukrainian attack planes over rebel-held areas on Wednesday were fired from Russian territory. U.S. defense and intelligence officials said they could not verify the claim.
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    Ukrainian Troops Recapture Rebel Stronghold of Lysychansk

    Military Push Extends Government's Control in Eastern Ukraine

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    Ukrainian soldiers wave as their convoy of tanks passes through the eastern city of Druzhkivka on July 21. Ukraine said Friday that government troops had recaptured the city of Lysychansk. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images







    MOSCOW—The Ukrainian government said Friday that it had regained control of the separatist stronghold of Lysychansk after several days of fierce fighting, raising the Ukrainian flag above the city after pushing out a powerful militia headed by a top rebel commander.


    Ukrainian officials have said that the recapture of the heavily fortified city of 100,000 people would open the way for government forces to take back a string of other important rebel-held positions. The Ukrainian military has made several key gains in the past week since the downing of Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -2.22% Flight 17, taking back 10 towns and nearly surrounding the vital rebel-held cities of Luhansk and Donetsk, Ukraine's National Security and Defense council said.
    "The armed forces of Ukraine have been able to deal the rebels powerful blows on several fronts," council spokesman Col. Andriy Lysenko said.






    In a post on a social-media account associated with pro-Russian rebel media leader Igor Girkin, who is best known by the nom de guerre Igor Strelkov, confirmed that fighters with the "Ghost Battalion" militia headed by leading insurgent Alexei Mozgovoi had pulled back to the nearby city of Stakhanov where they were preparing for a counterattack. The message said rebel forces had come under heavy shelling on the outskirts of Luhansk and Donetsk and that several civilians had been killed.


    Col. Lysenko said government forces would now focus on the rebel base at Horlivka, which controls a major road leading into the regional capital of Donetsk.
    Despite the advances, government forces are continuing to meet with stiff resistance from the rebels, Col. Lyseneko said, with several of its positions coming under heavy mortar and rocket bombardment overnight. He said a government position at Marinivka, near the Russian border, had been shelled twice in the early morning hours from the Russian side of the frontier.


    Ukraine has repeatedly said its forces have come under fire from Russian territory, and on Thursday U.S. officials said they had evidence that Russia has been firing artillery across the border at Ukrainian positions. Russia has denied the allegations and accused Ukraine of shelling the Russian territory. On Thursday, Moscow dismissed a charge that two Ukrainian fighter jets had been shot down earlier in the week by missiles fired from Russia.


    Col. Lysenko also said that Ukraine's border service had shot down three unmanned surveillance drones that had appeared to have come from the Russian side of the border.


    In Kiev, the government continued to undergo a reshuffling, but it was unclear when parliament would vote to accept Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk's resignation, which he submitted Thursday after the ruling coalition in the chamber dissolved. President Petro Poroshenko had asked parliament to consider the matter urgently, but two key groups of lawmakers said Mr. Yatsenyuk should continue in the post, even as government officials said Deputy Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman had been selected as acting prime minister.


    Meanwhile, Russia's agriculture regulator said Friday it would ban imports of milk and milk products from Ukraine beginning Monday after finding traces of an antibiotic in dairy supplies, the Interfax news agency reported.


    In the past, Russia has banned products from neighboring countries during times of tension, leading to charges that it was asserting economic pressure for political reasons, which Russia has denied.


    A different Russian regulator suspended milk and dairy imports from Ukraine earlier in July, citing violations of consumer rights regulations. Russia also temporarily banned the import of Ukrainian chocolate from the company owned by Mr. Poroshenko.
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    July 25, 2014 3:05 pm
    German business leader drops opposition to sanctions

    By Stefan Wagstyl in Berlin

    German industry has softened its opposition to economic sanctions against Russia, following the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
    A business leader, who has previously repeatedly warned about the damaging economic effects of sanctions, on Friday spoke out in support of tougher action if president Vladimir Putin failed to help stabilise the situation in Ukraine.

    “Business will implement what the government and EU decide. If they say Russia is not co-operating enough and we are applying tougher sanctions, we’ll back that 100 per cent,” said Eckhard Cordes head of the Committee on eastern European Economic Relations, a business lobby group representing companies trading with eastern Europe.
    Mr Cordes, a former chief executive of retailer Metro, urged Russian president Vladimir Putin to exert his influence over the separatists in eastern Ukraine who have been accused of shooting down the Malaysian airliner.


    “If he has not got any influence, he must get some,” said Mr Cordes in an interview with the daily newspaper Handelsblatt.


    He added: “If Putin continues along this path, this is not the path of German industry. But I hope that enough far-sighted people in Moscow recognise how extremely critical the situation is and make possible an unconditional explanation of the crash.”


    Mr Cordes’ comments were published as a second day of deliberations by EU ambassadors over a package of broad economic sanctions against the Russian financial and energy industry broke up earlier than expected on Friday with no decisions on whether to move forward on the measures.


    However, the diplomats did task the European Commission to prepare legislation to enact the sanctions, a move some officials said signalled a growing consensus to approve the measures as early as Tuesday.


    “The direction of travel here is very clear, but we are still travelling,” said Maja Kocijancic, a spokeswoman for Catherine Ashton, the EU’s foreign policy chief.


    The Commission is expected to complete the legislative work over the weekend and could present it to ambassadors on Monday afternoon, when they are scheduled to resume their negotiations.


    The remarks from Mr Cordes represent a toughening of the stance of one of Germany’s oldest business organisations. Previously Mr Cordes had warned wide-ranging sanctions against Russia could result in the loss of exports jeopardising 25,000 jobs German jobs.


    Asked if the plane disaster, with its nearly 300 dead, has changed his views, Mr Cordes said: “The handling of the catastrophe represents an act of inhumanity”. He criticised the separatists for “robbing” the bodies and “fantastic theories” coming from Russia, for example, that the passengers in the plane had already been dead.


    The latest survey of confidence among German companies suggests they are already feeling the pain of declining economic confidence in Russia, caused partly by the threat of sanctions. Exports to Russia have dropped 14 per cent in the first four months of the year.


    The Ifo business index, a widely-watched confidence measure released on Friday, dropped this month from 109.7 to 108.0, which was more than expected, according to Ifo economists.
    Meanwhile, also on Friday the Netherlands sent 40 unarmed military officials to eastern Ukraine to help investigators recover the last victims of the downed plane. Mark Rutte, Dutch prime minister, said: “They will be extra hands and eyes to look for remaining remains and personal belongings.”


    The military’s role will be to make the site of the crash safer, as Mr Rutte acknowledged that the area remained dangerous due to the conflict between Moscow-backed separatists and Kiev.
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    Russia making more claims of incoming shells.

    Of course they are....


    Russia says up to 40 mortar shells hit Russian territory on Friday

    MOSCOW Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:30am EDT




    (Reuters) - A Russian security official said up to 40 mortar shells fired by Ukrainian forces fell on Friday on the Russian province of Rostov near the border with eastern Ukraine where Kiev is fighting pro-Russian separatists.


    Vasily Malayev, a regional representative of Russia's Federal Security Service branch devoted to border security, was quoted by Russian news agency Interfax as saying that 30 shells had landed in a village in the region.


    "There are no victims or casualties as a result of the shooting on Russian territory from the Ukrainian side. Around 30 artillery shells have been launched onto the territory of Rostov province," Interfax quoted him as saying.


    He earlier told state Ria Novosti news agency around 40 shells had come across the border.


    Both Moscow and Kiev have accused the other of shooting across the border, and Ukraine says missiles shot from Russia may have downed two of its fighter jets this week. Both Kiev and Moscow deny the accusations.


    Moscow warned earlier this month of "irreversible" consequences after cross-border shelling that hit two houses in Rostov province, killing one man.
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    UK getting pissed...

    U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron: Europe must stand up to Putin now

    We cannot forget our history. There are consequences to turning a blind eye when big countries bully smaller ones.

    BY David Cameron
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    Friday, July 25, 2014, 12:01 AM





    MAXIM ZMEYEV/Reuters The Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is suspected of being downed by a Russian-made missile system recently given to pro-Moscow rebels in the area.

    The tragic loss of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 must prove a catalyst for changing Russia’s approach and ending the conflict in Ukraine.


    Of course, no one is saying that President Vladimir Putin intended flight MH17 to be shot down. It is unlikely that even the separatists wanted this to happen. But the context for this tragedy is clear. Russia has been attempting to destabilize a sovereign state, violate its territorial integrity and arm and train thuggish militias. And the world has paid the price.


    As President Obama said, this was a global tragedy. An Asian plane shot down over Europe, with 298 innocent men, women and children from 10 different countries all killed. In recent days, we have witnessed heart-wrenching scenes of grief in communities stretching from Adelaide to Amsterdam.
    ALEXEY DRUZHININ/AFP/Getty Images Russia's President Vladimir Putin (left) and the U.K.'s Prime Minister David Cameron in 2011.

    STR New/Reuters The Russian-made 'Buk' anti-aircraft missile system is suspected of being used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which had 298 people on board.
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    MAXIM ZMEYEV/REUTERS The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crashed in a rebel-held territory within Ukraine and the site was overrun by armed pro-Moscow men that blocked investigators.
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    In Britain, I will never forget the way traditionally fierce rival football supporters united to mourn the loss of two Newcastle fans. Yet throughout all this grief, relatives across the world have faced the sickening sight of Russian-backed separatists tampering with evidence, preventing the return of the bodies and, most disgusting of all, picking through the belongings of their loved ones.


    After days of obfuscation and delay, the bodies have begun to arrive in the Netherlands. And the black box recorders are now in Britain, where our world-leading experts at Farnborough are supporting the international investigation.


    But these are things that should have happened days ago and they are no substitute for addressing the fundamental issue of Russia’s support for the separatists.


    Putin faces a clear choice in how he decides to respond to this appalling tragedy. I hope that he will use this moment to find a path out of this festering and dangerous crisis by ending Russia’s support for the separatists. But so far the signs are not good. Just on Wednesday, we saw two Ukrainian fighter jets shot down — further evidence if it was ever needed that the separatist aggression continues and Russia is failing to respond to the demands of the world.


    Will Europe Unite Against Putin as Pressure Grows?

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    If Russia does not change its approach to Ukraine, then I am clear that Europe and the West must fundamentally change our approach to Russia. America has already led the way, and in Britain we have been urging our European partners to step up with further hard-hitting economic sanctions.


    Of course, such sanctions are not pain-free for any of us. Russia does a great deal of business with Europe, something that benefits us all. Russian investors make a significant contribution to our economies and Russian gas is an important source of energy for many, especially those who do not have significant supplies of nuclear power.
    So hurting Russia economically will carry some pain for our own economies too. But serious economic measures are the only language that Russia will understand.

    View Gallery Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 crashes near Ukraine's border with Russia


    Europe should not forget the lessons of history. We in Europe should not need reminding of the consequences of turning a blind eye when big countries bully smaller countries — or the consequences of letting the doctrine of “might is right” prevail. We have to show the courage to deliver hard-hitting sanctions in the short-term if we are to preserve the peace and stability that is so vital to our prosperity in the long-term.


    Yesterday in Brussels we secured real progress, with 15 Russian individuals and 18 Russian companies added to the list facing asset freezes and travel bans. And we agreed to broaden the criteria so we can sanction Putin’s inner circle. We must go further in the coming days and weeks with measures to restrict Russia’s access to our capital markets and our high-tech defense and energy technology. Russia simply cannot expect to continue enjoying access to European markets, European capital, European knowledge and technical expertise while she fuels conflict in one of Europe’s neighbors.


    This is a test of willpower and determination — and Europe must not be found wanting. European leaders can no longer ignore the implications of what is happening in Eastern Ukraine. Neither can any of us afford for Europe to shrink from standing up for the principles that govern conduct between independent nations in Europe — principles which ultimately keep the peace across the continent.


    It is time to make our power, influence and resources felt. Together with America, Europe must do what is necessary to stand up to Russia and put an end to the conflict in Ukraine before any more innocent lives are lost.


    Cameron is prime minister of the United Kingdom.
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    BRUSSELS, July 25./ITAR-TASS/. The EU Council has formally approved the expansion of blacklist for Russia and Ukraine, the Council’s press service said on Friday. Earlier reports said the blacklist would be made public in the EU’s Official Journal on Friday.


    The EU summit took a decision on the expansion of blacklist for Russian companies on July 16.


    At present, the EU blacklist includes 72 names, including Russian politicians and officials, leaders of militia in the Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics.
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    ‘Unchecked’ Putin puts pressure on Obama to take ‘decisive action’

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    Fresh evidence that Russia is directly shelling Ukrainian military targets is stoking concerns that Vladimir Putin feels increasingly comfortable running roughshod over his neighbors in defiance of the U.S. and Europe, putting pressure on the Obama administration to draw a red line that even Moscow can see.
    "Putin seems like he's unchecked," Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, told Fox Business Network, calling the latest Russian involvement a "clear escalation."
    The Obama administration has taken a decidedly tougher tone than Europe against Putin since the start of the Ukraine crisis, but a failure to act in concert has left the Russian leader testing his limits -- to alarming results.
    The latest development, confirmed by Pentagon and State Department officials, is Russia firing artillery from its own territory into Ukraine. The Ukrainian government and media have made these allegations against Moscow for days now, but the Obama administration on Thursday backed up that intelligence publicly for the first time.
    "We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russian to attack Ukrainian military positions," State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.
    The shelling is the latest indication of Putin flexing his military muscle, while watching the rest of the world deliberate. He has thus far successfully backed and preserved Bashar Assad in Syria, despite the Syrian leader defying Obama's "red line" on the use of chemical weapons. His annexation of the Crimean Peninsula did not mark the end of Russia's involvement in Ukraine, but rather the beginning of a sustained support for pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country.
    The tragic downing last week of a Malaysian Airlines passenger jet, killing nearly 300, represented a potential turning point. But despite U.S. allegations that the plane was almost certainly downed by Russian-backed separatists, Putin has stayed the course.
    "I think he's getting stronger domestically with every successive crisis," Simon Shuster, who wrote a new Time cover story on the subject titled "Cold War II," told Fox News. Shuster, in his Time article, notes that Obama announced "no deadlines, drew no red lines and made no threats" after the airliner crash, and "Putin presses ahead."
    According to the Kremlin, Putin is even offering to help broker talks between the Israelis and Palestinians amid the bloody war in the Gaza Strip.
    John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told Fox News this is a sign that Putin feels emboldened.
    "It is a reflection that Vladimir Putin feels that his position internationally is very strong," Bolton said.
    Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said it's now time for the U.S. to take "decisive action with or without Europe" to boost sanctions against the Russian economy.
    "Unless the West imposes greater costs on Putin, Russia will continue its destructive acts in the region," he said in a statement on Thursday.
    Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind., wrote in an op-ed on FoxNews.com that Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel could take several steps to pressure Putin. Among them, he said they should demand an "immediate stand down in Ukraine." Coats wrote that if Putin does not end his support for separatists, "we must bring Russia's economy to its knees."
    He urged sanctions on the country's energy sector and state-backed arms exporter.
    The Obama administration, which previously has imposed unilateral sanctions on Russia, says it's now looking at "a range of options," without getting into specifics.
    "We are continuing to look at additional sanctions and to impose additional costs on Russia. That process is ongoing," Harf said.
    White House spokesman Eric Schultz said earlier this week that the U.S. is "assessing all the sort of tools in our arsenal as we move forward."
    Obama, speaking with CNBC, signaled he still hopes Europe will take decisive action.
    "Despite some of those commercial concerns, we've seen Europe move with us. Not always as fast as we'd like, but they get there," he said. "And sadly, tragically the shooting down of this Malaysian Airlines airliner and the recognition that it is likely it was shot down and it is also likely that it was conducted by non-state actors that were provided incredibly powerful weapons by the Russian government, all that I think may stiffen the spine of our European partners moving forward."
    Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, echoed that view during a talk at the Aspen Security Forum.
    "You've got a Russian government that has made the conscious decision to use its military force inside of another sovereign nation to achieve its objectives -- first time, I think, probably, since 1939 or so that that's been the case," he said, according to an account in the American Forces Press Service.
    Dempsey said the U.S. is examining its own "readiness models" in response while also looking at ways to support Ukraine.
    Former CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden told Fox News' "The Kelly File" that in light of recent developments, "it's not just about Ukraine now, it's about what Europe is going to look like for the next era."


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    Just posting this for..... informational purposes. I'm not all that sure about this. There's a video at the original post.

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    Hacked Email from U.S. Army Attache in Ukraine – For False Flags to occur so U.S. can take military action against Russia

    Posted by talesfromthelou on July 25, 2014
    Posted in: Military-Industrial Complex, Mind control, Political science, Propaganda, Russia, Ukraine, USA, Video, War, World, WW3. Tagged: Jason Gresh, Kiev Embassy, U.S. Army Attache, Ukraine. Leave a comment

    Hacked Email from U.S. Army Attache in Ukraine – For False Flags to occur so U.S. can take military action against Russia | CounterPsyOps.
    From and with thanks to: http://counterpsyops.com
    July 25, 2014
    A CNBC story jogged my memory about hacked emails from March of this year. The emails were from a Jason Gresh (U.S. attache at Kiev Embassy) to an Igor Protsyk, General in the Ukraine Military. The emails are real.
    By Sherrie QuestionningAll
    The CNBC story is about Russia and their ‘propaganda’ machine saying the CIA was behind the downing of MH17.
    Here are all the details:


    Correspondence of US Army Attache Assistant Jason Gresh in Kiev
    Extracts of the e-mail from US military attaché (a Soft Title for a CIA operative) to –
    COL Igor PROTSYK
    Chief, Bilateral Military Cooperation Division
    Main Directorate for Military Cooperation and PKO
    General Staff, Armed Forces of Ukraine
    tel +38044 481-5407
    cell +38067 407 97 40
    e-mail: i.v.protsyk@mil.gov.ua
    e-mail: protsyk@ukr.net
    ________________________________________
    From: “Gresh, Jason P”
    To: igor.protsyk@gmail.com, i.v.protsyk@mil.gov.ua
    Subj: Peninsula
    Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 17:57:09 +0200
    Ihor,
    Events are moving rapidly in Crimea. Our friends in Washington expect more decisive actions from your network.
    I think it’s time to implement the plan we discussed lately. Your job is to cause some problems to the transport hubs in the south-east in order to frame-up the neighbor.
    It will create favorable conditions for Pentagon and the Company to act.
    Do not waste time, my friend.


    Respectfully,
    JP
    Jason P. Gresh
    Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
    Assistant Army Attaché
    U.S. Embassy, Kyiv
    Tankova 4, Kyiv, Ukraine 04112
    (380-44) 521 – 5444 | Fax (380-44) 521 – 5636



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    Appears the Russian Boot is starting to kick.


    Pentagon Warns of Arms to E. Ukraine





    • Netherlands Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans (right) speaks to the media while a Dutch military cargo plane with bodies of some of the passengers of the downed Malaysia Airlines jetliner leaves Ukraine for the Netherlands, July 25, 2014.








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    The Pentagon warned Friday that an “imminent” delivery of Russian artillery to separatists battling government forces in eastern Ukraine creates “a great concern” for civilian casualties.


    Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said intelligence sources determined that Russia is prepared to transfer up to a dozen rocket launchers more powerful and potentially more deadly than the separatists currently have. Those rebels are suspected in last week’s downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17.


    The launchers fire surface-to-surface missiles, as opposed to the SA-11 surface-to-air system believed responsible for the downing. "They're not precision munitions, Warren added, "and unquestionably there is an increased risk of civilian casualties.”


    Designed to destroy buildings, roads and military positions, the launchers could be a "game changer" in Ukraine, according to another Pentagon official who spoke on condition of anonymity.


    Warren said the advent of the Russian artillery, and potential volleys into Ukraine, pose “a great concern."


    “We believe that they are able to transfer this equipment at any time,” Warren said of the Russians, noting the United States continues “to work closely with the Ukrainians” on several levels, including by supplying nonlethal aid.


    The U.S. has sent investigators from at least two federal agencies – the FBI and National Transportation and Safety Board – to assist with the crash investigation.
    Also Friday, European Union ambassadors continued to meet in Brussels to discuss more economic sanctions on Russia if it continues supplying the separatists with weapons. Discussions are expected to continue into next week.


    Australia beefs up security team


    Australia is close to finalizing a plan to send 100 additional police and some defense force personnel to Europe to join a planned Dutch-led international security force to secure the crash site, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said Friday.


    Armed pro-Russian separatists control the area and have hampered investigators' attempts to access.


    The Australian Federal Police (AFP) officers, some of whom will be armed, will join a contingent of 90 AFP officers already in London waiting for a deal with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to be approved by the country's parliament.


    Abbott stressed that the team, which would include countries that lost citizens in the disaster, would not be going in as part of a military mission.


    “This is a humanitarian mission, with a clear and simple objective,” Abbott told reporters. “I expect the operation on the ground in Ukraine, should the deployment go ahead, to last no longer than a few weeks.”


    Search and recovery


    The international police team would be tasked with ensuring a thorough search of the site so all remains are recovered and sent to the Netherlands for identification. The mission would be complete within a few weeks of arriving, Abbott told the Associated Press.


    Abbott announced on Thursday that 50 police officers had been deployed to London ahead of the mission, but a police spokeswoman said on Friday that the number was 90. It was unclear why the discrepancy had occurred.


    On Tuesday, Abbott said that Russian-backed rebels were tampering with evidence on “an industrial scale” and argued that outside police or possibly military forces were needed to ensure that did not continue.


    The Boeing 777 was shot down last week in eastern Ukraine en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 298 passengers and crew on board. Twenty eight Australians were killed.


    The urgency to secure the area grew after three Australian officials traveled to the crash site on Thursday and found more wreckage and human remains, Abbott said.
    "With these remains exposed to the ravages of heat and animals and to the continuing possibility of human interference, it's more important than ever that the site be properly secured," Abbott told AP. "Our objective is the remains can be recovered, that the investigation can go ahead and that justice can be done."


    Ukrainian offensive


    Elsewhere, the French news agency AFP reported Ukrainian troops have retaken the strategically important city of Lysychansk in eastern Ukraine, as they press on with their offensive to stamp out a pro-Russian rebellion, Poroshenko said.


    "Ukrainian forces have raised the flag over the town council in Lysychansk," the presidency said in a statement late Thursday.


    Lysychansk - a city of around 105,000 some 90 kilometers northwest of the rebel stronghold of Luhansk - was seized by separatists in early April at the start of a bloody insurgency that has now claimed the lives of some 1,000 people, including the nearly 300 on board downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, AFP reported.
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    UPDATE 1-Russia transfer of rocket system to Ukraine rebels imminent- Pentagon

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    (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Friday the transfer of heavy-caliber multiple-launch rocket systems from Russia to Ukrainian separatists appeared to be imminent with the arms close enough to the border they could be handed over "potentially today."

    "We have indications that the Russians intend to supply heavier and more sophisticated multiple-launch rocket systems in the very near future," said Army Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, adding that the weapons were in the over-200mm range.

    Warren indicated the weapons had been seen getting closer to the border and the Pentagon believed a transfer was imminent and could happen "potentially today."

    "We believe that they are able to transfer this equipment at any time, at any moment," he said.

    Warren said it was unclear whether Russian operators of the rocket launchers might cross the border as well but he said there been indications of Russian operators of other systems going over.

    A multiple-launch rocket system is a wheeled or tracked vehicle mounted with multiple tubes capable of firing a half dozen or more guided or unguided rockets in quick succession at targets scores of miles (km) away. The rockets are generally 100mm to 300mm, with those over 200mm in the heavier-caliber category.

    "We're very concerned with the quantity and the capability of weapons flowing from Russia into the Ukrainian separatists' hands," Warren said.

    "There has been a continuous flow over the last several weeks of weapons and equipment from Russia to Ukraine," he said, noting that the "most egregious example" was a column of more than 100 vehicles crossing the border.

    The Pentagon's assessment that a transfer of heavy weaponry was imminent came as Russian authorities accused Ukraine of firing a volley of mortar rounds across the frontier into Russia on Friday while a group of investigators was in the area assessing reports of cross-border shooting.

    A Russian security official said up to 40 mortar bombs fired by Ukrainian forces fell in the Russian province of Rostov near the border where Ukrainian government forces are fighting pro-Russian separatists. There were no reports of injuries.

    Warren also said the United States continued to see Russian artillery on Russian soil firing on Ukrainian military positions inside Ukraine, a practice that has been going on for several days now.

    He said he had no information about Ukrainians firing across the border into Russia.

    Warren said the Pentagon continued to see a "continuous slow and steady buildup" of Russian forces along the border. He said the number was still in the 10,000- to 12,000-range, but was now "towards the high side" of that range.

    Others officials estimated the size of the Russian force had grown larger. U.S. Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute told a security forum in Aspen, Colorado, there were now some 15,000 Russian troops amassed along the Ukraine border.

    Warren said the growing size of the Russian force was "very concerning to us."

    "We've repeatedly called on the Russians to withdraw force from the border and to help de-escalate," he said. (Additional reporting by Phil Stewart in Aspen, Colorado; Editing by Bill Trott)
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    Ukraine conflict: Russia accuses US of 'smear campaign'

    Fighting in eastern Ukraine is ongoing and the West accuses Russia of aiding the separatist rebels there
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    Russia has accused the US of launching a "smear campaign" over its alleged involvement in the conflict in Ukraine.
    The foreign ministry in Moscow said on Friday it rejects "unfounded public insinuations" from the US government.
    But the Pentagon says it believes the movement of Russian heavy-calibre artillery systems across the border into Ukraine is "imminent."
    The row comes as more bodies of victims from flight MH17, which crashed in Ukraine, arrived in the Netherlands.
    Separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine have been accused of shooting down the Malaysia Airlines plane.
    The US says it believes rebels shot down the passenger jet with a Russian-provided SA-11 Buk surface-to-air missile, probably by mistake.
    Russia has frequently denied sending heavy weapons into Ukraine but rebel leaders have given conflicting accounts of whether they had control of a Buk launcher at the time the plane was downed.
    The US has toughened its rhetoric towards Russia since flight MH17 was downed in eastern Ukraine
    'Anti-Russian cliches' The Pentagon said on Friday that it had evidence to suggest Russia is preparing to transfer more rocket launcher systems to the rebels.
    "We have indications that the Russians intend to supply heavier and more sophisticated multiple-launch rocket systems in the very near future," Col Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said on Friday.
    On Thursday, a US state department spokesperson said there was also evidence Russian troops were firing on Ukrainian soldiers from within Russia.
    But in a statement, Russia's foreign ministry said the US was pushing "anti-Russian cliches" to protect their allies in Kiev by obscuring the "real reasons for events in Ukraine".
    The BBC's Sarah Rainsford in Moscow says that amid all the accusations of war-mongering, it seems Russia is keen to stress that so far, it has actually shown restraint.
    Rebels remain in control of the crash site although Dutch and Australian forces may be sent to the area
    Meanwhile, the EU has formally announced that it is strengthening sanctions against Russia, adding "15 further persons and 18 entities" to an asset freeze and a visa ban.
    A statement released on Friday said that those targeted are "responsible for action against Ukraine's territorial integrity".
    The fighting in eastern Ukraine erupted in April and is believed to have claimed more than 1,000 lives.
    On Friday, the Ukrainian army said its troops had come under artillery fire from the Russian side of the border overnight and were attacked by rebels in several areas in the east.
    The US has repeatedly accused Russia of fuelling separatist sentiment in eastern Ukraine and has toughened its rhetoric since flight MH17 was downed.
    'Spy or a big one?' Ukraine officials published the latest in a series of audio recordings on Friday that appears to be a conversation between rebels, minutes before MH17 crashed.
    In the recording, which has not been independently verified, a rebel tells a commander that a "bird had flown" in his direction.
    When the commander asks if it was a "spy or a big one?" the rebel says that he cannot tell because it is flying too high.
    About 75 more bodies arrived at Eindhoven on Friday as forensic experts continue trying to identify remains
    All 298 people on board the flight died in the crash on 17 July, including 193 Dutch citizens, 43 Malaysians and 27 Australians.
    About 200 bodies were recovered from the crash site in eastern Ukraine and are being flown to the Netherlands, where forensic experts are working on identifying them.
    The Dutch and Australian foreign ministers are negotiating with Ukrainian officials in Kiev to send police to the crash site, which is controlled by the rebels.
    They hope that such a deployment would allow experts, who have faced difficulties gaining access to the site, to proceed with the investigation amid continuing fighting in the region.


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    15,000 Russian Troops Amassed Along Ukraine Border: U.S. Ambassador To NATO


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    ASPEN, Colorado, July 25 (Reuters) - Russia has now amassed around 15,000 troops along the border with Ukraine, the U.S. ambassador to NATO said on Friday, offering a higher figure than one previously cited by the Pentagon.

    U.S. Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute offered the estimate during a security forum in Colorado, saying there were "now up again over about 15,000 Russian troops amassed along the border with Ukraine." (Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Susan Heavey)
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    US Military Dusts Off Decades-Old 'Readiness' Plans for Russia
    Jul 25, 2014, 12:00 PM ET
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    PHOTO: Gen. Martin Dempsey, right, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, speaks with Lesley Stahl, Correspondent, "60 Minutes,"CBS News, during a session of the Aspen Security Forum, in Aspen, Colo., July 24, 2014. Jordan Curet/The Aspen Daily News/AP Photo


    As American officials fire of diplomatic salvos at Russia in response to that nation’s purported actual artillery salvos into Ukraine, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said recently that among other actions, the U.S. military is dusting off decades-old plans, just in case.

    “We’re looking inside our own readiness models to look at things that we haven’t had to look at for 20 years, frankly, about basing and lines of communication and sea lanes,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, America’s top military officer, said at the Aspen Security Forum Thursday evening. “What the military does when faced with these crises is – our job is preparedness, deterrence and readiness.”

    In addition to its own plans, Dempsey said the U.S. military is having “conversations with our NATO allies about increasing their capability and readiness” and that there’s a “very active” ongoing process and debate about how best to provide support to Ukraine.

    “I wouldn't misinterpret my presence here today sitting with you… We’re not sitting still,” Dempsey said.

    US Says Russian Military Has Fired Artillery Into Ukraine

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    Dempsey said Russia’s actions in Ukraine signaled a significant “change in the relationship of the U.S. and Russia,” but said America’s first instinctual response to Russian aggression should be to look at NATO and the role it played against the Soviets a half century ago.

    “That’s why NATO was created… to increase stability, offset Soviet aggression at the time, but maintain a stable Europe. And we’ve been successful at that for 60 years,” Dempsey said. “So the first step here is to have that conversation in the halls of NATO while recognizing the change and taking stock in ourselves – in our capabilities, in our readiness, in our deterrent capabilities.”



    Dempsey’s comments came just hours after U.S. officials accused Russia of firing artillery rounds into eastern Ukraine from Russian territory, a move a Pentagon official called a “clear escalation” of the conflict and Russia’s alleged hand in it.

    Beyond Russia’s intentions in Ukraine, Dempsey said he also feared that Russian President Vladimir Putin could be in danger of “light[ing] a fire that he loses control of” by stoking a potentially “quite dangerous” strain of nationalism in Europe.

    Last week a Malaysian Airlines plane crashed in eastern Ukraine, killing nearly 300 travelers. Shortly after, the Ukrainian government produced a bevy of evidence suggesting pro-Russian rebels had downed the plane with a sophisticated surface-to-air missile that Ukraine claims was provided by Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin in turn blamed the Ukrainian government and the west for escalating the conflict and pledged that Russia would do “everything it its power” to facilitate an investigation into the Malaysia Airlines tragedy.

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    PHOTO: A part of the wreckage is seen at the crash site of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), Ukraine, July 21, 2014.

    Prior to the plane crash, the Ukrainian government and American officials accused Moscow of secretly sending commandos into eastern Ukraine to foment instability. For instance, one of the rebel’s military leaders, Ukraine says, is actually a former Russian intelligence agent from Moscow.

    “They are soldiers of fortune, Rambo types who have fought in Russian wars,” former White House counter-terrorism advisor and current ABC News consultant Richard Clarke said last week. “They are people in close contact with the Russian security services, people who have apartments and homes in Moscow, and people who are probably being paid by Russian security services to be the military heart and core of the rebels… These are the dogs of war.”

    Putin has denied Russian military troops are active in Ukraine, but said back in March that Russia reserves the right to use military force to protect Russians there.

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    Some of those plans include having a very large military. Which we don't. Any more.
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    Double blow for Putin as Ukraine rebels suffer setbacks, West prepares to levy more sanctions

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    July 28, 2014: Igor Strelkov, a pro-Russian rebel commander, speaks to the media in the city of Donetsk, eastern Ukraine. (AP Photo/Dmitry Lovetsky)




    Pro-Russia rebels in eastern Ukraine reportedly have suffered their biggest battlefield setbacks in months as the U.S. and European countries prepare to ramp up pressure on Russian leader Vladimir Putin by imposing more sanctions against Moscow later this week.


    The Wall Street Journal reported that Ukraine army forces had made rapid gains near the site where Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed July 17 and were apparently trying to split the territory held by the rebels into two parts between the major cities of Donetsk and Luhansk. Officials on both sides of the fighting also told the Journal that the Ukraine army was attempting to cut off supply lines from Russia to the rebels.


    Igor Girkin, a Russian citizen who is the top defense official in the separatist Donetsk People's Republic, also said Monday that more than 100 wounded separatist fighters had been evacuated to Russia because "I can't rule out the total siege of Donetsk from all sides."


    Meanwhile, the separatist republic's self-proclaimed Prime Minister Alexander Borodai left the rebel-held territory for Moscow on Monday, triggering speculation that the rebels were fleeing the city.


    ‪Another separatist official, Vladimir Antufeyev, said that Borodai had gone to Russia to discuss "humanitarian aid" and planned to return soon.


    U.S. officials say Russia appears to be taking a more direct role in the fight between the Ukraine government and the separatist rebels. Tony Blinken, Obama's deputy national security adviser, told reporters Monday that Moscow appeared to be using the international attention focused on the downed Malaysia Airlines plane as "cover and distraction" while it moves more heavy weaponry over its border and into Ukraine.


    "We've seen a significant re-buildup of Russian forces along the border, potentially positioning Russia for a so-called humanitarian or peace-keeping intervention in Ukraine," Blinken said. "So there's urgency to arresting this."


    The European Union is expected to move to restrict transactions with Russia's state banks and limit technology exports as early as Tuesday, as well as place an embargo on future arms sales. The U.S. has said it will follow suit.
    On Monday, EU ambassadors also agreed to bring pressure to bear on influential Russians, potentially including members of President Putin's inner circle and support base, by allowing EU-wide asset freezes and travel bans to apply to Russians who have supported or benefited from the Kremlin's takeover of Crimea. The ambassadors also agreed to target additional organizations and businesses for sanctions because of their alleged actions in violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity. Those measures were expected to take effect as early as Wednesday evening.
    In a rare videoconference call with President Barack Obama on Monday, the leaders of Britain, Germany, Italy and France expressed their willingness to adopt new sanctions against Russia in coordination with the United States, an official French statement said.
    The Western nations are demanding Russia halt the alleged supply of arms to Ukrainian separatists and other actions that destabilize the situation in eastern Ukraine.
    Europe, which has a stronger trade relationship with Russia than the U.S., has lagged behind Washington with its earlier sanctions package, in part out of concern from leaders that the penalties could have a negative impact on their own economies. But a spokesman for British Prime Minister David Cameron said following Monday's call that the West agreed that the EU should move a "strong package of sectoral sanctions as swiftly as possible."
    French President Francois Hollande said in a statement that the Western leaders "regretted Russia has not effectively pressured separatists to bring them to negotiate nor taken expected concrete measures to assure control of the Russian-Ukrainian border."
    Neither set of penalties is expected to fully cut off Russian economic sectors from the West, an options U.S. officials have said they're holding in reserve in case Russia launches a full-on military incursion in Ukraine or takes a similarly provocative step.
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said any sanctions imposed by the U.S. and European countries on Russia would not be effective.
    "We will overcome any difficulties that may arise in certain areas of the economy, and maybe we will become more independent and more confident in our own strength," he said, according to Reuters.
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    Top Financial Experts Say World War 3 Is Coming … Unless We Stop It

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    Nouriel Roubini, Kyle Bass, Hugo Salinas Price, Charles Nenner, James Dines, Jim Rogers, David Stockman, Marc Faber, Jim Rickards, Paul Craig Roberts, Martin Armstrong, Larry Edelson, Gerald Celente and Others Warn of Wider War

    Paul Craig Roberts – former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, former editor of the Wall Street Journal, listed by Who’s Who in America as one of the 1,000 most influential political thinkers in the world, PhD economist – wrote an article yesterday about the build up of hostilities between the U.S. and Russia titled, simply: “War Is Coming”. In the article, Roberts notes:
    As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra-legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an advisor to President Putin replied, There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”
    In January, well-known economist Nouriel Roubini tweeted from the gathering of the rich and powerful at the World Economic Forum in Davos:
    Many speakers compare 2014 to 1914 when WWI broke out & no one expected it. A black swan in the form of a war between China & Japan?
    And:
    Both Abe and an influential Chinese analyst don’t rule out a military confrontation between China and Japan. Memories of 1914?
    Billionaire hedge fund manager Kyle Bass writes:
    Trillions of dollars of debts will be restructured and millions of financially prudent savers will lose large percentages of their real purchasing power at exactly the wrong time in their lives. Again, the world will not end, but the social fabric of the profligate nations will be stretched and in some cases torn. Sadly, looking back through economic history, all too often war is the manifestation of simple economic entropy played to its logical conclusion. We believe that war is an inevitable consequence of the current global economic situation.
    Reagan’s head of the Office of Management and Budget – David Stockman – is posting pieces warning of the dispute between the U.S. and Russia leading to World War 3.
    Investment adviser Larry Edelson wrote an email to subscribers entitled “What the “Cycles of War” are saying for 2013″, which states:
    Since the 1980s, I’ve been studying the so-called “cycles of war” — the natural rhythms that predispose societies to descend into chaos, into hatred, into civil and even international war.
    I’m certainly not the first person to examine these very distinctive patterns in history. There have been many before me, notably, Raymond Wheeler, who published the most authoritative chronicle of war ever, covering a period of 2,600 years of data.
    However, there are very few people who are willing to even discuss the issue right now. And based on what I’m seeing, the implications could be absolutely huge ….
    Former Goldman Sachs technical analyst Charles Nenner – who has made some big accurate calls, and counts major hedge funds, banks, brokerage houses, and high net worth individuals as clients – says there will be “a major war”, which will drive the Dow to 5,000.
    Veteran investor adviser James Dines forecast a war is epochal as World Wars I and II, starting in the Middle East.
    Economist and investment manager Marc Faber says that the American government will start new wars in response to the economic crisis:




    Martin Armstrong – who has managed multi-billion dollar sovereign investment funds – wrote in August:
    Our greatest problem is the bureaucracy wants a war. This will distract everyone from the NSA and justify what they have been doing. They need a distraction for the economic decline that is coming.
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    What’s causing the slide towards war? We discuss several causes below.
    Initially, believe it or not, one cause is that many influential economists and talking heads hold the discredited belief that war is good for the economy.
    Therefore, many are overtly or more subtly pushing for war.
    Challengers Give Declining Empires “Itchy Fingers”

    Moreover, historians say that declining empires tend to attack their rising rivals … so the risk of world war is rising because the U.S. feels threatened by the rising empire of China.
    The U.S. government considers economic rivalry to be a basis for war. Therefore, the U.S. is systematically using the military to contain China’s growing economic influence.
    Competition for Resources Is Heating Up

    In addition, it is well-established that competition for scarce resources often leads to war. For example, Oxford University’s Quarterly Journal of Economics notes:
    In his classic, A Study of War, Wright (1942) devotes a chapter to the relationship between war and resources. Another classic reference, Statistics of Deadly Quarrels by Richardson (1960),extensively discusses economic causes of war, including the control of “sources of essential commodities.”A large literature pioneered by Homer-Dixon (1991, 1999) argues that scarcity of various environmental resources is a major cause of conflict and resource wars (see Toset, Gleditsch, and Hegre 2000, for empirical evidence).
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    In the War of the Pacific (1879–1884), Chile fought against a defensive alliance of Bolivia and Peru for the control of guano [i.e. bird poop] mineral deposits. The war was precipitated by the rise in the value of the deposits due to their extensive use in agriculture.
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    Westing (1986) argues that many of the wars in the twentieth century had an important resource dimension. As examples he cites the Algerian War of Independence (1954–1962), the Six Day War (1967), and the Chaco War (1932–1935). More recently, Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 was a result of the dispute over the Rumaila oil field. In Resource Wars (2001), Klare argues that following the end of the Cold War, control of valuable natural resources has become increasingly important, and these resources will become a primary motivation for wars in the future.
    Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan (and many world leaders) admitted that the Iraq war was really about oil, and former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. And see this and this. Libya, Syria, Iran and Russia are all oil-producing countries as well …
    Indeed, we’ve extensively documented that the wars in the Middle East and North Africa are largely about oil and gas. The war in Gaza may be no exception. And see this. And Ukraine may largely be about gas as well.
    And James Quinn and Charles Hugh Smith say we’re running out of all sorts of resources … which will lead to war.
    Central Banking and Currency Wars

    We’re in the middle of a global currency war – i.e. a situation where nations all compete to devalue their currencies the most in order to boost exports. Brazilian president Rousseff said in 2010:
    The last time there was a series of competitive devaluations … it ended in world war two.
    Jim Rickards agrees:
    Currency wars lead to trade wars, which often lead to hot wars. In 2009, Rickards participated in the Pentagon’s first-ever “financial” war games. While expressing confidence in America’s ability to defeat any other nation-state in battle, Rickards says the U.S. could get dragged into “asymmetric warfare,” if currency wars lead to rising inflation and global economic uncertainty.
    As does billionaire investor Jim Rogers:
    Trade wars always lead to wars.
    Given that China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa have just joined together to create a $100 billion bank based in China, and that more and more trades are being settled in Yuan or Rubles – instead of dollars – the currency war is hotting up.
    Multi-billionaire investor Hugo Salinas Price says:
    What happened to [Libya's] Mr. Gaddafi, many speculate the real reason he was ousted was that he was planning an all-African currency for conducting trade. The same thing happened to him that happened to Saddam because the US doesn’t want any solid competing currency out there vs the dollar. You know Gaddafi was talking about a gold dinar.
    Indeed, senior CNBC editor John Carney noted:
    Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.
    Robert Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal thinks the central banking initiative reveals that foreign powers may have a strong influence over the rebels.
    This suggests we have a bit more than a ragtag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” Wenzel writes.
    Indeed, some say that recent wars have really been about bringing all countries into the fold of Western central banking.
    Finally, trend forecaster Gerald Celente – who has been making some accurate financial and geopolitical predictions for decades – says WW3 will start soon.
    Debt

    Martin Armstrong argued that war plans against Syria are really about debt and spending:
    The Syrian mess seems to have people lining up on Capital Hill when sources there say the phone calls coming in are overwhelmingly against any action. The politicians are ignoring the people entirely. This suggests there is indeed a secret agenda to achieve a goal outside the discussion box. That is most like the debt problem and a war is necessary to relief the pressure to curtail spending.
    The same logic applies to Ukraine and other countries.
    Billionaire investor Jim Rogers notes:
    A continuation of bailouts in Europe could ultimately spark another world war, says international investor Jim Rogers.
    ***
    “Add debt, the situation gets worse, and eventually it just collapses. Then everybody is looking for scapegoats. Politicians blame foreigners, and we’re in World War II or World War whatever.”
    Americans Don’t Want War

    Poll after poll shows that the American people don’t want to get involved in any more wars.
    Read more at Washington’s Blog
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    Another conspiracy theory?


    I dunno.


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    Putin Issues Global War Order Against Obama Regime

    Posted by EU Times on Aug 6th, 2014 // 2 Comments








    An ominous report issued by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) says that President Putin’s order today to move thousands of more troops and military equipment to the Ukrainian border, coupled with his order yesterday to all state organs to begin retaliation against the West for their imposing unjust sanctions on the Federation, is, in fact, a “Global War Order” against the Obama regime blamed by the Kremlin for starting this conflict to cover-up the West’s impending economic collapse.


    According to this report, Putin’s order involves forces from the Air Defense Troops in the Central Military District which include the Ural’s Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk regions, Republic of Bashkortostan and West Siberia’s Altai territory. “More than five thousand servicemen and around two thousand units of military hardware will be involved in [these] military exercises,” a spokesman of the Central Military District said.


    These thousands of extra troops and their equipment will join their military counterparts on the Ukrainian border, this report continues, who were activated this past Monday and are currently conducting war exercises designed to repel US led NATO retaliatory forces should they be needed.



    Though the Obama regime has stated that they are “deeply concerned” over Russia’s military Ukrainian border buildup, this report further notes that Prime Minister Donald Tusk of Poland warned his people yesterday that the risk of Russia invading Ukraine has increased in the “last dozen hours or so”.


    To the likelihood of Russian forces having to intervene in Ukraine, this report says, was made more urgent yesterday after UN envoy Vitaly Churkin described to his international counterparts on the Security Council the situation in eastern Ukraine as a “catastrophic, full-blown war”.


    Grimly, this MoD report says, are that four million people in the combat area in eastern Ukraine (200,000 of them are deprived of water) are on the verge of a European “humanitarian catastrophe” of unprecedented proportions, a situation not seen on the continent since the ending of World War II in 1945.


    So dire has the situation in eastern Ukraine become, this report continues, that this past Sunday, 438 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into Russia in the Rostov region asking for asylum with many of them being reported as being near starvation and total exhaustion.


    Earlier today, in fact, this report states, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) arranged a flight from Moscow to the Rostov region for foreign reporters to personally interview these defecting Ukrainian soldiers, but as ITAR-TASS News Service reports, all of the journalists from the leading US media working in Russia refused to go and interview them for themselves.


    The US media in refusing to report on the truth to the American people about this war, MoD experts in this report say, coincides with the new laws imposed upon the people of Ukraine by their coup-installed fascist government allowing them to arrest anybody who uses social media to engage in political activism against the war.


    And as the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Geneva has stated they are ready to help the Russian Red Cross (RRC) in setting up a humanitarian corridor which would allow the safe transit of sick children from Ukraine, this report sadly states the Obama regime led Ukrainian government will not allow it.


    So angry has Russia been about the Obama regimes nefarious machinations in Ukraine, it bears mentioning, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov earlier this spring accused them of “running the show” in Kiev “without any scruples”.


    Backing up Lavrov’s earlier assessment is the MoD stating in their report that far from helping the women and children in this brutal Ukrainian war, the Obama regime and its European allies are preparing to make it even worse with the US now sending in military advisors into Ukraine and deploying hundreds of heavy tanks, armored personnel carriers and landing crafts into Norway, and the EU flagrantly violating the Geneva Convention in lifting their ban on sending weapons and ammunition to Ukraine too.


    To some of the further war moves against the Obama regime Putin could order, this report grimly warns, would be the disposal of European companies’ assets in Russia, which would deliver a heavy blow to European manufacturers – a measure that analysts in Brussels describe as an “economic nuclear weapon”.


    Another Putin war move being activated with yesterday’s Russian-Iranian energy agreement, this report concludes, is for the Federation and its allies to unleash upon the world a “virtual sea of cheap oil and natural gas” that could only be paid for in rubles, a situation best described by top American investor Jim Sinclair who recently warned:
    “If Russia accepts payment for oil and gas in any currency other than the dollar – whether it’s gold, the Euro, the Ruble, the Rupee, or anything else – then the U.S. petrodollar system will collapse”.


    Though not mentioned in this MoD report, and as our world lurches ever closer to all-out war, Russia, which is the most resource rich nation on Earth possessing over $75 trillion of national wealth (compared to the US in 2nd place at $45 trillion), President Obama this past week dismissed them as a nation that “doesn’t make anything”, leading one to wonder if this “leader” of the supposed free world even knows what he’s doing.


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