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    Obama: Most Secretive Democratic Presidential Candidate Ever

    Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:58 PM

    By: David A. Patten



    Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign says his campaign will bring a new level of honesty and transparency to the White House. Obama proudly touts that he and Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla, passed a law requiring more transparency via a public database of all federal spending.

    But when it comes to offering the public documents about his own public and private activities, Obama’s record for openness gets an "F" grade.

    During the heated Democratic primary, Obama complained of the Bush White House being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history” and chided Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

    Ironically, Obama, just days away from possibly being elected president, continues to stonewall a growing chorus of information requests for documents about his legislative, personal health, education, financing, and background -- leaving many voters to cast ballots based on incomplete information.

    And serious questions about his past continue to swirl as Election Day looms, fueled in part by his own campaign’s refusal to make relevant documents available.

    And the press, usually banging at the door for candidates to make “full disclosure” is strangely quiet about Obama’s stonewalling.

    A Newsmax survey of key Obama aspects of Obama’s public and private life continued to be shielded from the public.

    Among the examples:

    • Obama has released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hands, released what he said was his complete medical file totaling more than 1500 pages. After criticism on the matter, last week the Obama campaign also released some routine lab-test results and electrocardiograms for Obama. All test results appeared normal, but many details about his health remain a mystery.
    • Obama has refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois, and has been unable to produce correspondence, such as letters from lobbyists and other correspondence from his days in the Illinois state senate. There are also no appointment calendars available of his official activities. “It could have been thrown out,” Obama said while on the campaign trail during the Democratic primary. “I haven’t been in the state Senate now for quite some time.”
    • Obama has not released his client list as an attorney or his billing records. Obama has maintained that he only performed a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June. But he has not released billing records that would prove this assertion.
    • Obama won’t release his college records from Occidental College where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia.
    • Obama’s campaign refuses to give Columbia University, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Such transcripts would list the courses Obama took, and his grades. President George W. Bush, and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry, all released their college transcripts. (McCain has refused to release his Naval Academy transcript.)
    • Obama’s college dissertation has simply disappeared from Columbia Universities archives. In July, in response to a flurry of requests to review Obama’s senior thesis at the Ivy League school, reportedly titled “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told NBC News “We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does Columbia University.”
    • The senator has not agreed to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.
    • Jim Geraghty of the National Review has written extensively about Obama’s unwillingness to release records related to clients he represented while he was an attorney with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill, and Gallard. Obama was required to list his clients during his years in the Illinois senate. “Obama listed every client of the firm,” Geraghty reported, making it impossible to discern which clients he represented.
    • Obama has never released records from his time at Harvard Law School.
    • Obama also has not disclosed the names of small donors giving $200 or less to his campaign. An exception to the finance-reporting laws exempts the campaign from reporting those who donate less than $200, but that law never envisioned the more than $300 million that has been raised by Obama in small amounts. The Republican National Committee has released its small donors, as well as McCain’s, on a public database.

    On several occasions, the Obama campaign has offered to provide additional information to reporters if they have specific questions or issues. And in some cases, it has done so.

    When Internet rumors began to fly that perhaps Obama was born outside the United States, for example, the campaign released images of a birth certificate that verified his birthplace as Honolulu, Hawaii. When that led to suggestions the birth certificate had been altered, the campaign again responded, allowing reporters to examine the actual birth certificate, complete with raised seal. (In late July, according to FactCheck.org, a researcher uncovered an announcement of Obama’s birth in the August 13, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser).

    Such instances of cooperation pale, however, compared to the many unanswered questions surrounding Obama, such as the financing of his education, and requests for the complete release of all donors to his campaign.

    Of course, candidates are often reticent to disclose any information that opposition researchers could use against them.

    But Politico.com notes that the Obama’s failure to share documents is “part of his campaign’s broader pattern of rarely volunteering information or documents about the candidate, even when relatively innocuous.”

    The hue and cry from the media for disclosure usually forces candidates to release sought after documents. But the press has largely acquiesced to Obama’s stonewalling.

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...mo_code=6DF8-1

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    >> the actual birth certificate, complete with raised seal.<<

    Forgive me if I'm wrong here...but I don't believe this to be true. A certificate of Live Birth was produced I believe. This is not the same as a vault copy Birth Certificate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malsua View Post
    >> the actual birth certificate, complete with raised seal.<<

    Forgive me if I'm wrong here...but I don't believe this to be true. A certificate of Live Birth was produced I believe. This is not the same as a vault copy Birth Certificate.
    I bet News Max is being cautious with the known facts.

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    I finally heard a main stream Conservative commentator tackle this issue!

    Michael Savage had Berg on his show tonight.

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    Well, I consider Michael Savage to be a major ass clown...he's right about some stuff, but he's such a blatent asswipe about things he presents it that it nullifies anything he says.
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    The senator has not agreed to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.

    This is an exceedingly dangerous omision/prevarication.

    If the public realizes that obama lied- and is not after all a real lawyer...
    this will restore confidence, and he will get more votes.

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    Savage has his good days and bad days. Sometimes he is right on and sometimes he is WAY off the mark. I can tell you there have been times when I just tune his show out despite my generally liking him. Example: Right after Sarah Palin was picked he railed on her for about 3 days. I didn't find myself listening to him at all then. Other times, he is spot on. Example: When he supported the Marines involved in the Haditha incident. All in all though, I think he does more good than bad about 2/3 of the time.

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    Democrat: Obama's Grandma confirms Kenyan Birth

    'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'

    Posted: October 23, 2008
    11:33 pm Eastern
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    The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualifications to run for the office of president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya. The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

    But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged, a publicized newspaper notice announcing Obama's birth in Honolulu could have been faked and he has a tape recording he will be releasing over the next few days. "This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

    He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution. "Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

    Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues. WND reported earlier this week how Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in Berg's lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States.

    His case is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate. Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter. Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, stated Berg, who has taken his information public through his website, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

    The birth certificate image is on Obama's website, and the newspaper notice is featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website. That reportedly comes from a librarian in Hawaii who obtained the announcement from the archives. However, Berg said the dates don't align, since the birth apparently happened on Aug. 4, 1961, it was registered on Aug. 8 and the newspaper announcement was Aug. 13. Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya, the family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement.

    Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been assembled, including one in Washington State where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington Secretary of State "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election. That claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place." Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii.

    The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen. When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available.

    Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate. "Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen. "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

    The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18 ) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"

    Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam. When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

    "If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said. Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign. "I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

    "I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.

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    ELECTION 2008
    Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
    Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

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    Posted: October 26, 2008
    9:54 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

    HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal, and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

    The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

    "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of Constituent Services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

    Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

    WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.

    Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
    The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.

    The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.

    WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

    In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

    The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

    In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

    Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.

    Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.

    In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.

    The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a State of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generate by the hospital where Obama was born.

    "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."

    Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=79174

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    How in the hell is that even legally possible?!?! I'm pretty sure that birth records are a matter of public record. Or else people doing genealogical studies wouldn't be able to get off square one! And the HI governor is supposed to be a Republican?!?! WHAT THE FUCK!

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    I believe Hawaii has a state law where a birth certificate is no longer available to just anyone. They are released to the individual themselves, or a direct relation with legal interest involved. This was done as part of an overall package to make identity theft more difficult.

    I actually have to give kudo's to the Republican Governor for taking the difficult but high road. His is enforcing the law be upheld, and has a high interest individual he knows sticky fingers would love to get ahold of their birth certificate, thus violating the law. So he had it sealed. Obama, or a legally authorized representitive, needs to request it at this point, unless a court orders it themselves.

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    >>In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.<<

    Ha. That's funny.
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    OBAMA'S GAMBLE: POSSESSION NINE TENTHS OF THE LAW


    By: Devvy
    October 30, 2008

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    While the disgraced mainstream media continues to ignore the constitutional crisis regarding Obama's birth certificate, we the people will not be deterred from getting the truth.

    Over the past two weeks I have received thousands of emails (which I cannot respond to one on one) from enraged Americans over Judge R. Barclay Surrick's decision in Berg v. Obama, et al (see here). Americans are energized and faxed their state officials demanding Obama's eligibility for ballot qualification be investigated. The responses from these elected public servants all provided basically the same response, here are just two:
    "While the Secretary of State certifies candidates for the ballot, each political party is legally responsible for choosing the candidate they wish to place on the ballot." Sincerely, Legislative and Constituent Affairs Secretary of State (California)

    "The Florida Department of State does not have investigative or enforcement authority to ensure that major parties candidates are properly qualified to be President of the United States. The U.S. Constitution establishes the qualifying requirements for President. Under Florida law, the way in which a major party's candidate is placed on the ballot is that the state executive committee of each political party submits its slate of presidential electors for its candidate before September 1st of each presidential election year; then, by law, the names of candidates are printed on the ballot. Those candidates are not required to provide any documents to the State that they meet the qualifications for office.

    "The Florida Secretary of State performs only a ministerial function. So, the Secretary has no authority or duty to look beyond the filing documents to determine if a candidate is eligible. If a candidate (or the party in the case of a major political party nominating someone as a Presidential candidate) files the necessary paperwork, which papers are complete on their face, the Secretary must qualify the candidate. Any challenge to the qualifications of a U.S. Presidential candidate should be made in a court of competent jurisdiction." Gary J. Holland, Assistant General Counsel, Florida Department of State

    As Dr. Edwin Vieira pointed out in my conversation with him yesterday, an individual applying for a hunting license in Virginia must provide a real birth certificate, but an applicant for president of these united States of America doesn't have to prove citizenship? Excellent point and it appears the states of the Union are willing to allow the DNC to defraud their citizens the right to vote for a legally eligible candidate because they fear riots by a certain race of voters.

    The idiom, possession is nine tenths of the law, is EXACTLY what Obama is gambling on right now. If he can stall until November 4th when vote fraud will "elect him" if he's the choice of the shadow government, Obama figures he's home free. No doubt Obama is feeling empowered from the extreme bias by corporate media with one newspaper in New Mexico already declaring him the "winner." In his bloated arrogance, Obama believes that if he's "declared" the winner, he can just waltz into the Oval office because law enforcement, public officials and federal judges are scared black Americans will burn cities to the ground. In my opinion, they do an injustice to Americans of color. No doubt there are areas in some major cities which have the potential to go off the track, but not everyone of a certain race believes riots are the way to resolve an issue.

    Obama's gamble is that since this big hoax called an election is already underway with early voting, if he "wins" and is sworn into office, possession is nine tenths of the law and the hell with the Constitution. He's now a step closer. One of the nine lawsuits filed at the state level has now been thrown out:
    Judge tosses lawsuit over Obama citizenship
    SEATTLE — "A King County judge said Monday that a lawsuit challenging Sen. Barack Obama's qualifications to be president "may be a positive idea," but threw it out because the law clearly prevents the secretary of state from getting involved.

    "Washington's Secretary of State Sam Reed does not have the authority to inquire into Obama's birth certificate and determine if it is valid or not, said Superior Court Judge John Erlick. Therefore, Reed is obliged to accept the nomination and keep Obama's name on the state ballot, Erlick said. Doing any external fact-finding "is not authorized by the state constitution or state law or administrative rule," he said. "The 2008 general election is already in progress; ballots have been issued and a substantial number of voters have voted," said the order signed by Erlick."

    Obama was in Hawaii from the afternoon of October 23rd to the morning of October 25th, ostensibly to visit his ailing grandmother. Hawaii is also the state Obama claims is his birthplace. In June, Obama released a copy of a birth certificate which was printed off a laser printer. It carries no state seal and cannot be verified.

    While Obama was in Hawaii last week, he could have simply gone down to the Hawaii Department of Health on Friday, October 24th, requested a copy of the state sealed birth certificate, gone outside where the world's media would be waiting since they follow him everywhere and presented the birth certificate for the world to see. Over, done, finished.

    Instead, Obama flies back to the mainland leaving the issue unresolved. WND reports they were told by government authorities in Kenya that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4, 2008. What's the big secret? Perhaps to black mail Obama down the road should he succeed in getting sworn in would be my guess. After all, Obama has a very cozy relationship with Odinga.

    No sooner did Obama's plane lift off the ground to return stateside, Hawaii "Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances." The State of Hawaii says a birth certificate can be requested by the individual, authorized family members, authorized legal representative or by a court of law; see here.

    When Phil Berg filed his lawsuit over two months ago, Obama could very easily have requested and obtained a 'vault certificate'. That would have ended all this speculation and lawsuits to get to the truth. Instead, his high paid lawyers, along with defendants DNC and FEC, fought to get Phil's lawsuit thrown out of court.

    Obama's campaign has been the most corrupt of my lifetime, surpassing even the Clinton duo. According to an investigation done by Kenneth R. Timmerman (see here): "More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't disclose." I predict once investigations are underway by the FBI, we will see just how much money came in from unlawful sources - especially foreign donors. Obama doesn't care at this point, he only need make it to coronation day and pay FEC fines later. After all, it's not his money.

    This brings me around to the issue of possible crimes being committed by both Gov. Lingle and Obama. If Gov. Lingle has seen a birth certificate or has been told by an official at the Hawaii Department of Health that "a" document will prove Obama does not meet eligibility requirements under Art. II, Sec.1 of the U.S. Constitution and she remains silent, is she guilty of defrauding the American people? She is the chief law enforcement officer for the State of Hawaii. If Gov. Lingle knows Obama is committing fraud by presenting himself as a natural born U.S. Citizen, isn't she obligated under the law to expose such fraud?

    I consulted with a friend who is a constitutional attorney with 30 years experience in federal court rooms about this very issue. If Obama has knowingly withheld his legal citizenship status in order to run for the presidency and has collected nearly a half billion dollars by perpetrating fraud, can he be charged and indicted? Obama's campaign released digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to kill any more inquiries into his citizenship. The 'image' is not proof and Obama knows it and so does his high paid legal representatives. During this period and as I write this column, Obama continues to solicit money.

    This is my friend's expert legal analysis:

    "In the late 70s and early 80s, federal prosecutors often sought to indict and convict corrupt state officials by contending that such officials engaged in a “scheme to defraud” the citizens of a particular state of those public servants' honest services. But in 1987, the Supreme Court held in McNally v. United States, 483 U.S. 350 (1987), that the mail and wire fraud statutes could not be stretched to encompass such a legal theory. In response, Congress adopted 18 U.S.C. §1346 to cure this defect in statutory language. Lots of corrupt local officials have been indicted and convicted for using the mails and wires to carry out a "scheme to defraud" the public via their "dishonest services." See, as an example, United States v. Frega, 179 F.3d 793 (9th Cir. 1999).

    "A great controversy now exists regarding the constitutional qualifications of Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Dunham, aka Barry Dunham, to become President. The Constitution requires that any candidate for the office of President must be a natural born citizen. Yet, there is abundant evidence that this candidate is not natural born and thus is unqualified for that office. To address this specific problem, the Obama campaign has posted on its web site an alleged certified copy of his birth certificate (certificate of live birth?), thus clearly via use of interstate wires informing the American public that Obama does indeed possess the qualifications for President. It cannot be denied that this statement constitutes a loud proclamation and representation that Obama is qualified, and this representation undoubtedly plays a substantial role in raising funds for Obama. It is reported that just in September alone, Obama raised some 150 million dollars from the American public.

    "The wire fraud statute, 18 U.S.C. §1343, provides as follows:
    “Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.”

    As Dr. Edwin Vieira wrote in his legal analysis, October 29, 2008:
    "Berg v. Obama may very well end up in the Supreme Court. Yet that ought to be unnecessary. For Obama’s moral duty is to produce the evidence of his citizenship sua sponte et instanter. Otherwise, he will be personally responsible for all the consequences of his refusal to do so.

    "Of course, if Obama knows that he is not “a natural born Citizen” who never renounced his American citizenship, then he also knows that he and his henchmen have perpetrated numerous election-related frauds throughout the country—the latest, still-ongoing one a colossal swindle targeting the American people as a whole. If that is the case, his refusal “to be a witness against himself” is perfectly explicable and even defensible on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment. Howsoever justified as a matter of criminal law, though, Obama’s silence and inaction will not obviate the necessity for him to prove his eligibility for “the Office of President.” The Constitution may permit him to “take the Fifth;” but it will not suffer him to employ that evasion as a means to usurp the Presidency of the United States."

    I urge you to read Edwin's full column because he shreds Judge Surrick's absurd decision.

    Lawsuit update (Hawaii), October 28, 2008: Andy Martin, J. D. and Professor of Law (Adj.):
    Dear Judge Ayabe and Hon. Mark Bennett, Attorney General: "I spoke with the court's judicial assistant on Monday, and today I am FedExing the original Order to Show Cause back to the court so I can obtain a new date. The court has indicated it will not hear me by phone on November 7th, so I must purchase airline tickets and clear several days to make a personal trip to Honolulu. That is a complicated process, particularly given the approaching holiday season. If I am assigned a new hearing date on October 29th (Wednesday), I can arrange to appear in person at a hearing in Honolulu on November 11th-14th (later in the week, Thursday or Friday, is better for me). I am also available November 18-21."

    As you can see, this is well after the massive vote fraud "election" coming up in a few short days.

    I spoke briefly with Phil Berg yesterday. He and his colleague did not file their Writ of Certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court due to time constraints, but will file today. He also mentioned some actions post Nov. 4th, but until we see the "declared" outcome I don't feel I should comment on that right now. Phil also reinforced that there is no doubt in his mind that there is no birth certificate which will prove Obama's citizenship and the Governor of Hawaii should be more careful with her choice of words.

    While I wanted to send a fax, the FBI operators wouldn't give me a number, so I sent a letter, along with Edwin's column (printer friendly) to James Burrus, Chief Investigator of Election Fraud, Federal Bureau of Investigation, J. Edgar Hoover Building, 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. 20535-0001.

    Because time is of the essence, I sent it over night mail; it should arrive in Burrus' hands by Monday. My letter was short and to the point: Barack Obama refuses to provide proof of citizenship, which he could have done in less than an hour when he was in Hawaii last week. This issue is building into a constitutional crisis and if no one else will investigate, then the FBI has a duty to determine if Obama is committing federal crimes as outlined above. If enough pressure is brought to bear on the FBI, let them issue a subpoena for whatever documents are being held by the Hawaii Department of Health and then let's see what Obama has to say.

    History:

    1 - Thomas Jefferson's Account of the Declaration of Independence

    2 - The Declaration of Independence


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    Ruling To Come On Obama Birth Case
    A Warren County magistrate said he'll decide tomorrow whether Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has to get proof that Barack Obama was born in the United States.

    David M. Neal, a Turtlecreek Township resident who runs a political Web site, filed suit last week, saying state and federal government leaders have failed to verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, instead of Kenya.

    The U.S. Constitution requires presidents to be natural-born citizens who are at least 35 years old.

    Neal says he's part of a nationwide grass-roots movement that has questioned Obama's birthplace and qualification to run for president.

    Neal's complaint asserts that Obama's Internet site does not disclose the name of the hospital where Obama was born and that an original long version of the birth certificate should be made available before the election.

    The controversy has lingered even though various fact-checking groups and journalists have concluded that the Hawaiian birth certificate appears to be authentic.

    Neal contends that Obama should be removed from the Ohio ballot if Brunner can't confirm that Obama was born in the United States.

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    ELECTION 2008
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    Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications'

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    The U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to help the nation avoid a constitutional crisis by halting Tuesday's election until Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama documents his eligibility to run for the top office in the nation.

    Democratic attorney Philip Berg had filed a lawsuit alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because of possible birth in Kenya, but as WND reported, a federal judge dismissed the complaint claiming Berg lacks standing to bring the action.

    The 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order from Judge R. Barclay Surrick concluded ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

    Instead, Surrick said Congress could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

    "Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

    Berg has maintained that uncertainty about how the U.S. does enforce the requirements of presidency may result in a constitutional crisis should an ineligible candidate win the office.

    In a statement today, Berg said he is applying to Justice David Souter for an "Immediate Injunction to Stay the Presidential Election of November 4, 2008."

    "I am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will grant the injunction pending a review of this case to avoid a Constitutional crisis by insisting that Obama produce certified documentation that he is or is not a "natural born" citizen and if he cannot produce documentation that Obama be removed from the ballot for president," Berg said.

    "We must legally prevent Obama, the unqualified candidate, from taking the office of the presidency of the United States," Berg said.

    The issue of Obama's eligibility first got traction among Internet bloggers and later was heightened when several campaigns were launched to determine whether a "certificate of live birth" posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign was valid.

    The issue gained more attention when Berg told radio talk show icon Michael Savage he had an admission from Obama's grandmather that she was at his birth – in Kenya.

    "This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States
    – the most powerful man in the entire world – is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"

    As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded that Obama provide documentation to the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes.

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    Skeptical Reporters Tossed Off Obama Plane

    The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

    The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashopp.htm

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    Supremes asked to halt Tuesday's vote

    1 Justice could in fact "emergency stay" the election, but Berg need to have applied first in the circuit and have a response in a reasonable time. Veery long shot. No matter- the electoral college have the final word. They can vote for nobody or whomsoever they choose.

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    Skeptical Reporters Tossed Off Obama Plane

    The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

    The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashopp.htm

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    not bad- Berg got his circuit denial-eligible for emergency stay on Mon. John Souter??- spotlight on- berg's site is hacked/down- claims grandma on tape claiming bo born in Kenya.

    api Michelle Obama tape appears linked to the editor's relation to raila odinga.
    live from New York....John McCain on snl.

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