Lets be clear here, the Hawaii Gov said there's a notation written in the official records.
The below picture is quite likely the authentic Hussein birth cert or equally as valid.
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Lets be clear here, the Hawaii Gov said there's a notation written in the official records.
The below picture is quite likely the authentic Hussein birth cert or equally as valid.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
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I'm wondering about something... is Mal a "Birther".
I wonder if he is gay too.
(I'm being funny. I am not a "birther" per se, but I think that people should prove their citizenship if they are going to run for certain offices. On the other hand, I don't call people GAY or Queer or any of those other terms EITHER. Only the Left does that)
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I never really cared or thought this was an issue until I read about his social security number. Now I wonder.
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I wouldn't say I'm a birther. I'd say I'm a "Prove it holmes".
I'm also not gay.
There is no Birth Certificate. Obama was not born here. Grandma probably called it in to be sure her new Grandson would be a citizen.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ie_to_him.html
During an interview on the KQRS morning radio show on January 20, Mike Evans, a long-time friend of Hawaii governor Neil Abercrombie, shared a conversation he had with the governor the day prior. The reader is advised to judge for himself the credibility of Evans' account, but he sounds convincing.
Evans, Honolulu born and now a Hollywood-based celebrity journalist, claimed that Abercrombie had promised him that he when he became governor, he planned to find absolute proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.
When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, "There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii." After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has "got some egg in the face."
Curiously too, when Evans asked Abercrombie when he first encountered the young Barack Obama, Abercrombie reportedly said, "I remember him playing in a T-Ball league," when he was roughly five or six years old.
The reader may recall that Abercrombie had told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events." Of course, Obama Sr. had left for Harvard four years before young Barack was T-Ball eligible.
In the Obama rabbit hole, things do seem to get progressively curiouser and curiouser.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
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And another interesting one.
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http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawai...r-his-own-pap/
HAWAII GROUND REPORT: Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears, but orchestrating a deliberate birth certificate recovery dead end to cover his own papakole? UPDATED: Mystery solved! Reason Obama will not release birth certificate is because his name is legally written “Barry Soetoro” on it.
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The reason Obama will not willingly ever release his birth certificate? Because he is legally listed as "Barry Soetoro" on it
Here’s an interesting Ground Report from Hawaii that contains an ingenious theory about Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie’s bizarre backtrack on releasing Obama’s birth certificate.
Remember, Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives…and he would then hold it aloft in the gentle Hawaiian breeze, high above his balding pate, for all the world to see, thereby producing the document Obama has spent millions to keep hidden.
Well, after he was elected, Abercrombie strangely acknowledged no original birth certificate could be found for Obama in Hawaii, but that there were “handwritten notes” that he was born on the island of Oahu in 1961. Abercrombie did not claim he saw the actual birth certificate.
But, now he’s claiming it’s illegal to produce the birth certificate even if he did find it, because Obama refuses to let the public see this document.
None of this makes any sense until you read the Ground Report below, and get a new take on what’s going on in Hawaii regarding the single greatest current mystery of the 21st Century (“Why Won’t Obama Just Release His Birth Certificate?”…which is also a question the lamestream national media refuses to ask):Dear HillBuzz,I honestly and truly believe this solves the entire mystery.
Regarding the whole Obama birth certificate controversy, I believe Hawaii has a big problem.
Recently, when asked about the subject, newly-minted Speaker of the House John Boehner replied “The State of Hawaii says he was born there and that’s good enough for me.” His reply was brilliant.
It reminded everyone that it’s not the Speaker’s job to sort out the mess (it should have been addressed by the Dems, the election officials, and the media during the campaign), but it also, clearly, put the onus on the State of Hawaii. Around the same time Neil Abercrombie, the new governor of Hawaii, waded into the mess wanting to clear everything up for the president. Instead, he has only added to the confusion by admitting there doesn’t seem to be a birth certificate only a handwritten notation in the archives. (Which could quite possibly have been generated by Obama’s grandparents as a way to register the birth if Obama was born somewhere else.)
Personally, I believe the governor is an intelligent well-intentioned man who acted without thinking it through. Rush Limbaugh believes there may be some angle to what the governor did. If there is, then I believe it was a “cover your papakole” move on the part of the governor. He doesn’t want to be the one left holding the blame when, finally, the American public says “Enough! Just show the damn birth certificate already!”.
He can honestly claim the deception and obstruction happened before he took office and when he tried to find the truth he was told he didn’t have legal access to the birth records. So he’s off the hook, but the incumbent state officials may not get off so easily. Lastly, there is information on several blogs about a court case that may have been filed in New York State Court called Strunk v. Paterson. I’ve heard that a state judge recently ruled — based on evidence — that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. The court documents go into all of the birth certificate topics, including the Indonesian adoption.
The fact that Obama was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s, and his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro at that time, is most likely the reason he is spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate. He never filed the papers to change his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, so any birth certificate produced by the state of Hawaii would list him as “Barry Soetoro”.
It’s easy to see why he never wants this to come to light. Aside from the legal ramifications of this, how would the American people feel about Obama lying to them about his NAME all this time? And if he lied about something as simple as that, what else has he lied about? It would open a whole host of new questions for most people about this man of deliberate mystery.
Just wondered if you knew anything about any of this. I find the court documents hard to read and I have no way of checking their authenticity. People need to stop claiming Obama was not born in Hawaii and start focusing on that adoption name change. That’s probably what Neil Abercrombie ultimately encountered that’s made him backtrack on all this.
Think about it: when the adoption went through, the law required Obama’s birth certificate to be changed to reflect his new name, which became, and remains, Barry Soetoro. So if Abercrombie went looking for anything in the Hall of Records with “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on it, he wouldn’t find anything besides those scribbled, handwritten notations in the archives (since those would not have been changed with the adoption, as who would have thought to do that?). The actual birth certificate says “Barry Soetoro” on it.
That’s why Abercrombie couldn’t locate it.
And why Obama won’t release it.
Mystery solved.
Tag in Kaanapali, Maui
It is seriously this straightforward.
* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961
* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s
* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” — most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia
* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.
* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it: Barry Soetoro
It is as simple as this, folks.
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UPDATE: You know what, I really and truly do think we just solved the greatest mystery of the 21st Century so far.
I honestly and truly do.
When I read that Ground Report from Tag, all the pieces just fit together.
It makes total sense — and Abercrombie’s behavior is rational only when you see it through the lens we’ve filtered all this through.
Abercrombie heads into this believing there is indeed a birth certificate from 1961 in the Hall of Records with the name “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on it. That’s why he was so full of bluster when speaking about all this originally. Obama has been lying about this for his entire adult life, so of course Abercombie was lied to as well. Obama knew Hawaii’s laws would prevent Abercrombie from releasing the birth certificate, and also from telling anyone that his name is not legally “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”. Anyone who sees the birth certificate is prohibited by law from talking about it…and no one wants to be the person who comes forward and admits the document says “Barry Soetoro” on it.
No one wants to be Salman Rushdie, with a fatwa declared on his head by Obama cultists who will do everything they can to destroy the person who brought their Lightbringer down. No one wants the violent thugs at Daily Kos coming after him…or the White House abusing its power to destroy that person in other ways, using the government against him.
Abercrombie goes about on his search and only comes up with some handwritten notes that say “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on them. That’s because when his adoption paperwork was filed, and his birth certificate was changed to say “Barry Soetoro” on it, the clerks in the Hall of Records didn’t think to change all those notations as well. It was not a computerized system. Everything was written in CURSIVE in most cases. Not even typed. When the records were computerized in the 80s or 90s, those handwritten notes were logged somewhere, and when Abercrombie searched for Obama’s name, those were the only documents that ever turned up.
Because those notations are the last time he was ever legally named “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on anything. His legal, real name is in fact “Barry Soetoro”.
Knowing him, I can also imagine Obama putting “Barry Soetoro” on all of his college application paperwork, because it’s exotic sounding and Indonesian and he wanted foreign student grants and admissions preference. When he got to campus, he quickly saw that it would be more politically advantageous for him to coopt a black, not Indonesian, identity, so the chameleon in the White House started listening to Jeremiah Wright’s speeches to pickup the black preachers affected speech…and started having everyone call him by his original name again, “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, because it sounded blacker than Barry Soetoro, and to get ahead in the niche he was carving for himself, Obama needed to be blacker than a Barry Soetoro ever could be.
That’s why no paperwork has ever been released for him.
No transcripts from college, because those all say Barry Soetoro on them (his legal name).
No records from when he was a lawyer, because those all say Barry Soetoro on them (his legal name).
No documentation of any kind, because those all say Barry Soetoro on them (his legal name).
Behind closed doors, I imagine he has shown all these documents to people at various times in his life, where he’s stood before them and explained his name change in the 70s and said something to the effect of, “But my real name is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. That is my identity”. I bet he then launched into accusations of racism against anyone who challenged that, in the slightest. The officials would be satisfied with his explanation and let him do whatever he wanted, because they didn’t want him to call them racists.
This seems to be how he’s operated his entire life.
And it would all come crashing down, permanently, if ever anyone came forward and admitted his name was legally written as Barry Soetoro on his birth certificate because he stupidly never legally petitioned to have it changed back to Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. once he was an adult, and no longer found it advantageous to be Barry Soetoro any more.
The mystery is really solved.
The answer really is this simple.
That’s why Abercrombie has backed off. He’s using the “Obama doesn’t give permission for it to be released” excuse to protect himself, but the fact is that there IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr…but there is one for Barry Soetoro, the person he became when Lolo Soetoro adopted him in the 70s.
When this all ultimately does come out — in our lifetimes — just imagine the nightmare that’s going to unfold. Would everything Obama did as president be nullified, because there is no such person, legally, as “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”? Or, would records just be retroactively changed to record him as “Barry Soetoro” in everything.
Can “Obama” legally use his stage name on official documents like this?
What think you?
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UPDATE: 610am CST 1/23/11
Okay, I really think I’m right about this now.
Not even five minutes after filing this story, Lucianne.com cross-published it on their site, too.
It’s like “The Peacock Brief” here in Boystown at Buzzquarters this morning — the little gay political website in Chicago the Left and Cocktail Party GOP establishment hates so much has come up with a theory the MSM either couldn’t put together or deliberately wants to ignore…like John Grisham’s Darby Shaw in “The Pelican Brief” book (or, the rather entertaining movie with still-top-of-their-games Julia Roberts and Denzel Washington).
My friends and I here in Boystown have been going around and around on the Mystery of the Hidden Birth Certificate for months, over rounds of rainbow-colored frozen drinks at Sidetrack here in Boystown, texting and emailing our friends all across the country constantly about this. For the longest time we thought the reason Obama didn’t want his birth certificate shown was because maybe his father was listed as Muslim on it…but that was shot down when we learned that Hawaii didn’t list parents’ religions in 1961 on their birth certificates.
Then, I thought maybe his father was listed as Arab, and not black, on the birth certificate, since polygamist Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was only 1/4 black and 3/4 African Arab…possibly making the birth certificate list Obama as a “Caucasian Arab”, because his mother was 100% Caucasian and his father was an African Arab. But, my friend Tag in Hawaii has a boyfriend who was born in 1960, and that guy swears child’s race is not recorded on birth certificates.
So, that just left time to think about what could be on that document that Obama does not want revealed.
I’ve known since the very beginning that David Axelrod astroturfed the whole “Birther” movement as an excuse for the media to ignore calls for Obama to produce his birth certificate. This is the oldest trick in the political book: if you don’t want your critics to ask about something, set the stage so that if they try to, you can used Alinsky polarizing/name-calling tactics against them.
As in, start asking WHY Obama won’t show his birth certificate — which is a ridiculous thing to refuse to show — and instantly the media calls you a “Birther!” and accuses you of buying into the conspiracy that Obama was born in Africa or maybe Vancouver. It was a great strategy on Axelrod’s part that kept the truth from being revealed for over three years now.
All of those conspiracy theories about Obama not being naturally born were ginned up to keep people from ever focusing on the more mundane, less sexy truth: that Obama failed to change his name BACK to Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. after it was changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s.
He tried gaming the system by applying for college and all of his financial aid and special treatment with an Indonesian name, but then also wanted to use the blacker sounding “Barack Hussein Obama” name when that suited him to.
And look where it got him.
The whole house of cards is just built on Obama’s birth certificate never seeing the light of day and revealing his actual name to be BARRY SOETORO.
There’s a wholeRumpledSnakeOilSalesmanRumpelstilkskin vibe to all of this.
Shouting Obama’s real name from every rooftop you can might just magically make this entire presidency go away.
It’s 630am now here in Chicago, so I will leave you to ponder the legal ramifications of what happens to the nation when it’s proven the man who took the Oath of Office on January 20th, 2009 is not legally named “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, the way he’s been claiming he is.
Maybe if John Grisham is up at this early hour he can chime in a little on that.
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UPDATE: 702am CST 1/23/11
If no one can find a birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, JR. in the Hall of Records in Hawaii — not even the Governor — then can anyone find the following, or determine definitively that they do not exist:
(1) Paperwork related to Obama’s name change to “Barry Soetoro” in the 1970s when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
(2) Exact date of Obama’s adoption by Lolo Soetoro, which would be the date he became “Barry Soetoro” legally
(3) Exact date adoption was recorded by State of Hawaii
(4) Duration of time “Barry Soetoro” was used as Obama’s name, which we know includes the entirety of his life in Indonesia after the adoption was finalized, until he mysteriously was shipped back to Hawaii to ostensibly live with his grandparents, but was more or less raised by Frank Marshall Davis.
(5) Timeframe where “Barry Soetoro” started using the name “Barack Hussein Obama, JR.” again officially.
(6) Date of legal name change back to “Barack Hussein Obama, JR” from “Barry Soetoro” — if indeed he ever filed to have this done
(7) Date the required legal announcements were posted in newspapers announcing the name change from “Barry Soetoro” to Barack Hussein Obama, JR — if indeed Obama actually changed his name back, and fulfilled the requirement to place these notices in the paper
All the newspapers in Chicago have these legal notices in the back. Foreclosures, name changes, notices of this or that or the other, bankruptcy filings. As far as I know, every state requires notices to be filed in a set number of newspapers when certain legal proceedings happen. I can’t imagine Hawaii didn’t have this requirement too, in the 1980s and beyond whenever Obama would have changed his name back from “Barry Soetoro”, if indeed he did that. Pick up even the Gay Chicago Magazine here in Boystown and on the last few pages, there are tons of these legally required announcements.
If Obama did indeed change his name back from Barry Soetoro, then why can’t anyone produce one of the legally required announcements from a Hawaiian paper noting this court proceeding?
Hey LexisNexis users and lawyers…can any of you research name changes in Hawaii and track down a record of Barry Soetoro changing his name to Barack Hussein Obama, JR.? If indeed this happened, there should be a record of it, right?
Can anyone find SOMEONE in Hawaii in the 1980s who changed his or her name legally in the state…and see if that person filed any sort of notice in the newspapers back then announcing that change? Is there a court record of that person’s name change?
Because if we can establish this is the PROCEDURE for changing names, then we can ask lots of questions about why there’s no record of Obama ever having done this.
To my knowledge, changing his name back to BHO after the BS adoption name change is never mentioned…in a narcissistic tome chock full of loads of other BS though.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
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Mal, so you know, that was all in jest.
I said something about the military guy who was in the military and was getting kicked out. I said "he's probably gay too" in the same vein that a Leftist would add such a phrase to completely discredit a person.
It was completely in Jest (and I was referring to that when I made the crack at you in the same way).
I know you're not, and to be honest, I don't care if someone is gay or not.
What I care about is that people get the facts. And Obama seems intent of preventing that
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Oh but maybe I'm gay. Let me think about that for a second.
Nope. Not gay.
As for captain zero, he's got some splainin to do.
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World nutz daily has a new one up.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401
Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent
Posted: January 24, 2011
8:48 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.
Notary seal on Timothy Adams' affidavit
Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.
His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.
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"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."
As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.
"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."
Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu
In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.
"My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."
Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."
"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."
In 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu.
After WND's report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie
In 2010, then-candidate for governor Neil Abercrombie was involved in an Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.
As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.
The White House has still not confirmed it wrote or sent the letter.
Moreover, Adams claims, the Hawaii government was engaged in a cover-up designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.
In the affidavit Adams swears, "During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth."
Adams further swears his supervisors told him to quit asking about Obama's birth records.
"During the course of my employment," Adams states in the affidavit, "I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama's Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama."
"I can go get my long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Adams told WND. "And so I don't understand, this whole controversy should have been settled three or four years ago in about five minutes."
Nor does Adams feel the short-form Certification of Live Birth is authoritative documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.
"My basic assumption is that he wasn't born there," Adams said. "Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."
WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person request at the Hawaii Department of Health for a registration of a Hawaii birth, even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.
In the past few days, Abercrombie has represented that there is a registration of Obama's birth in the state archives.
But the state registration of birth in 1961 theoretically could prove only that the grandparents had registered Obama's birth, even if Obama was not born in Hawaii.
Similarly, the newspaper announcements of baby Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since the newspaper announcements could have been triggered by the grandparents appearing in-person to register baby Obama as a Hawaiian birth, even if the baby was born elsewhere.
WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived.
WND has also reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu at an 11th Avenue address, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Ann Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.
Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.
It's possible the yet-undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering baby Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form record exists.
WND has confirmed with Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu, that Adams was indeed working in their elections offices during the last presidential election.
"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," Takahashi told WND.
Adams told WND he supported Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential election campaign.
He described himself as a libertarian who wants less government spending, fewer laws that restrict personal freedoms, more adherences to the Constitution and an end to foreign wars.
"I'm interested in individual liberty and upholding the Constitution," he said. "I want to get American troops out from foreign countries, and I want to see the federal budget balanced."
He said he might be inclined to support former-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee or former-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2012 to run against President Obama, but he has not yet made up his mind.
"It depends on how fiscally conservative Huckabee and Romney turn out to be on economics," he said. "But from what I know right now, they would probably be better than Obama."
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Mr. Adams... you're going to disappear I'm afraid. Wow.
Someone will go after him now.
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Game-Changer! Arizona To Pass 2012 Eligibility Law
January 25, 2011
It could be a game-changer.
A plan in Arizona to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is approaching critical mass, even though it has just been introduced.
The proposal from state Rep. Judy Burges, who carried a similar plan that fell short last year only because of political maneuvering, was introduced yesterday with 16 members of the state Senate as co-sponsors.
It needs only 16 votes in the Senate to pass.
In the House, there are 25 co-sponsors, with the need for only 31 votes for passage, and Burges told WND that there were several chamber members who confirmed they support the plan and will vote for it, but simply didn't wish to be listed as co-sponsors.
The proposal, which also is being taken up in a number of other states, is highly specific and directly addresses the questions that have been raised by Barack Obama's occupancy of the White House. It says:
Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
The critical phrases are "natural born citizen" and the requirements of "article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States," which imposes on the president a requirement not demanded of other state and federal officeholders.
At the time the Constitution was written, many analysts agree, a "natural born citizen" was considered to be a citizen born of two citizen parents. If that indeed is correct, Obama never would have been qualified to be president, as he himself has confirmed his father was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, making Obama a dual citizen with Kenyan and American parentage at his birth.
Other definitions have called for a "natural born citizen" to be born of citizen parents inside the nation.
There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama's "natural born citizen" status never has been documented. The "Certification of Live Birth" his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii has made available to those not born in the state.
The controversy stems from the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
The challenges to Obama's eligibility allege he does not qualify because he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he claims, or that he fails to qualify because he was a dual citizen, through his father, of the U.S. and the United Kingdom's Kenyan terroritory when he was born and the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens from eligibility.
There are several cases still pending before the courts over Obama's eligibility. Those cases, however, almost all have been facing hurdles created by the courts' interpretation of "standing," meaning someone who is being or could be harmed by the situation. The courts have decided almost unanimously that an individual taxpayer faces no damages different from other taxpayers, therefore doesn't have standing. Judges even have ruled that other presidential candidates are in that position.
The result is that none of the court cases to date has reached the level of discovery, through which Obama's birth documentation could be brought into court.
Obama even continued to withhold the information during a court-martial of a military officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who challenged his deployment orders on the grounds Obama may not be a legitimate president. Lakin was convicted and sent to prison.
Burges told WND she's asked the proposal to be assigned to the Government Committee.
"I think every American should consider it of prime importance to ensure that all candidates for the highest elected position in our nation meet all constitutional requirements," she told WND. "We do not accept the federal government's unconstitutional treatment of states as one of their extended branches."
The Arizona bill also requires attachments, "which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury," including "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."
It also requires testimony that the candidate "has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America."
"If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state," the state plan explains.
The governor's office is occupied by Republican Jan Brewer, who has had no difficulty in bringing direct challenges to Washington, such as a year ago when lawmakers adopted provisions that allowed state law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law. The state's move prompted an immediate court challenge by Washington.
WND also has reported that similar efforts are under way in Montana, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Texas:
Montana
Under Montana's plan by Rep. Bob Wagner, candidates would have to document their eligibility and also provide for protection for state taxpayers to prevent them from being billed for "unnecessary expense and litigation" involving the failure of 'federal election officials' to do their duty.
"There should be no question after the fact as to the qualifications [of a president]," Wagner told WND. "The state of Montana needs to have [legal] grounds to sue for damages for the cost of litigation."
Wagner's legislation cites the Constitution's requirement that the president hold "natural born citizenship" and the fact that the "military sons and daughters of the people of Montana and all civil servants to the people of Montana are required by oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States and Montana against enemies foreign and domestic."
But there are estimates of up to $2 million being spent on Obama's defense against eligibility lawsuits. There have been dozens of them and some have been running for more than two years. So Wagner goes a step beyond.
"Whereas, it would seem only right and just to positively certify eligibility for presidential and congressional office at the federal level; and whereas, it is apparent that the federal authority is negligent in the matter; therefore, the responsibility falls upon the state; and whereas, this act would safeguard the people of Montana from unnecessary expense and litigation and the possibility that federal election officials fail in their duty and would ensure that the State of Montana remains true to the Constitution," says his proposed legislation.
Pennsylvania
In Pennsylvania, there was excitement over the GOP majority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor's office.
Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe told WND he is working on a proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility.
He described it as a "problem" that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for age, residency and being a "natural born citizen."
"We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session," he said.
He said any one of the states imposing such a requirement would be effective in solving his concerns.
"I think the public relations nightmare that would ensue if any candidate would thumb their noses at a single state would torpedo their campaign," he told WND.
Georgia
Rep. Mark Hatfield has confirmed to WND that he will have a similar proposal pending.
He had introduced the legislation at the end of last year's session to put fellow lawmakers on alert that the issue was coming.
"I do plan to reintroduce the bill," he told WND. "We'll move forward with trying to get it before a committee."
In Georgia, Republicans hold majorities in both houses of the legislature as well as "every constitutional statewide office," he noted.
"I would be optimistic that we can [adopt the legislation]," he said.
Hatfield said if only one or two states adopt such requirements, it readily will be apparent whether a candidate has issues with eligibility documentation or not. And while he noted a president could win a race without support from a specific state, a failure to qualify on the ballot "would give voters in other states pause, about whether or not a candidate is in fact qualified," he said.
"My goal is to make sure any person that aspires to be president meets the constitutional requirements," he said. "This is a first step in that direction."
Texas
WND reported on a bill prefiled for the Texas Legislature by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would require such documentation.
Berman's legislation, House Bill 295, is brief and simple:
It would add to the state election code the provision: "The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen."
It includes an effective date of Sept. 1, 2011, in time for 2012 presidential campaigning.
Berman told WND he's seen neither evidence nor indication that Obama qualifies under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."
"If the federal government is not going to vet these people, like they vetted John McCain, we'll do it in our state," he said.
He noted the Senate's investigation into McCain because of the Republican senator's birth in Panama to military parents.
Berman also said there will be pressure on any lawmaker who opposes the bill, since voters would wonder why they wouldn't want such basic data about a president revealed. And he said even if one state adopts the requirement, there will be national implications, because other states would be alerted to a possible problem.
"If Obama is going to run for re-election in 2012, he'll have to show our secretary of state his birth certificate and prove he's a natural-born citizen," he said. "This is going to be significant."
Berman said he's convinced there are problems with Obama's eligibility, or else his handlers would not be so persistent in keeping the information concealed.
A year ago, polls indicated that roughly half of American voters were aware of a dispute over Obama's eligibility. Recent polls, however, by organizations including CNN, show that roughly six in 10 American voters hold serious doubts that Obama is eligible under the Constitution's demands.
Other state plans also might be in the works but unannounced yet. Officials with the Denver-based National Conference of State Legislatures said they were not tracking bills in development.
But Orly Taitz, the California lawyer who has worked on a number of the highest-profile legal challenges to Obama, said efforts are under way now in Missouri and Oklahoma, too.
She said the bill is expected to be successful in Missouri where there is a GOP majority in the legislature, and in Oklahoma, where last year a similar plan failed by only one vote in the state Senate.
She encouraged residents of Tennessee, New Hampshire, South Dakota, California, Maine, New Mexico, South Carolina, Virginia, New Jersey and Iowa to contact their lawmakers, as there has been some interest expressed.
"We need eligibility bills filed in each and every state of the union … as it shows the regime that we are still the nation of law and the Constitution, that the Constitution matters and state representatives and senators are ready to fight for the rule of law. During the last election there were some 700 more Republican state assemblyman elected all over the country, as the nation is not willing to tolerate this assault on our rights and our Constitution any further," she said.
Last year, several other states listened to proposals that could have had an impact on eligibility documentation. In New Hampshire, officials wanted to require candidates to meet the "qualifications contained in the U.S. Constitution." In Oklahoma, lawmakers heard a plan to let voters decide the issue, and in South Carolina, the plan was to prevent candidates from being on the ballot unless "that person shows conclusive evidence that he is a legal citizen of the United States."
Further, several other states discussed requirements for candidates, but they did not specifically address the Article 2, Section 1 constitutional compliance, so it's unclear whether they would have addressed Obama's situation.
There also was, during the last Congress, Rep. Bill Posey's bill at the federal level.
Posey's H.R. 1503 stated:
"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
The bill also provided:
"Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years."
It had more than a dozen sponsors, and while it died at the end of the last Congress, there are hopes the GOP majority in the House this year will move such a plan forward.
There also is a petition, already signed by tens of thousands, to state lawmakers asking them to make sure the next president of the United States qualifies under the Constitution's eligibility requirements.
"What we need are hundreds of thousands of Americans endorsing this strategy on the petition – encouraging more action by state officials before the 2012 election. Imagine if just one or two states adopt such measures before 2012. Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for re-election. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don't think so," said Joseph Farah, CEO of WND, who is behind the idea of the petition.
An earlier petition had been directed at all controlling legal authorities at the federal level to address the concerns expressed by Americans, and it attracted more than half a million names.
For 18 months, Farah has been one of the few national figures who has steadfastly pushed the issue of eligibility, despite ridicule, name-calling and ostracism at the hands of most of his colleagues. To date, in addition to the earlier petition, he has:
* erected billboards around the country demanding, "Where's the birth certificate?":
* produced a 40-page special report on the subject;
* produced a 60-minute documentary video primer on the issue;
* manufactured yard and rally signs to bring attention to the topic;
* pledged to donate at least $15,000 to any hospital in Hawaii or anywhere else that provides proof Obama was born there and given you an opportunity to raise the amount;
* created a line of T-shirts you can wear to appearances by the president to raise visibility of the issue;
* created a fund to which you can donate to further the kind of investigative reporting into this matter only this company has performed over the last two years;
* launched a line of postcards you can use to keep the issue alive;
* distributed thousands of bumper stickers asking, "Where's the birth certificate?"
Farah says all those campaigns are continuing.
"Obama may be able to continue showing contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for the next two years, as he has demonstrated his willingness to do in his first year in office," he wrote in a column. "However, a day of reckoning is coming. Even if only one significant state, with a sizable Electoral College count, decides a candidate for election or re-election has failed to prove his or her eligibility, that makes it nearly impossible for the candidate to win. It doesn't take all 50 states complying with the law to be effective."
Re: Challenging Obama's Eligibility to be President
Turns out that Mike Evans misspoke on the KQ morning show. He now claims he never actually spoke with the governer of Hawaii.
"Berry Soetoro's (aka. BHO) birth certificate found in Mombasa"
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