Challenging Obama's Eligibility to be President

[American Patriot]

Fox News Channel just announced this.

Nothing follows.

[zenbudda]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thetic...th-certificate

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf

I was actually expecting to see something of the effect that they listed his race as white OR religion as muslim. Let the reign of "it's a fake or modified birth certificate" argument begin.

[American Patriot]

Trump is talking right now about this.

He's "Very proud of himself" for accomplishing this. I am proud of the man too.

I'm glad he used his money to force Obama's hand.

I don't see him running for President, but I damned sure see him helping to get someone elected that is worth their weight in salt.

[American Patriot]

Hmmm doesn't look real to me. It looks like his "real name" is "Barack Hussein Obama".

Doesn't seem like that is what his name was when he was born and it was changed to that LATER.

That makes this "made up".

[American Patriot]

By the way....

I do genealogy. I've seen hundreds of birth certificates.

You know what? They had spaces for the "Maiden name" of the mother on all of them. This one looks like a more modern certificate and not one created in the 1950s (like mine was). States tend to use forms that are older when they do these things.

State forms are NORMALLY numbered too. This one hasn't anything on it to indicate the age of the form!

[American Patriot]

Trump cracks me up. He's talking to the media like the media ought to be talked to. Like the shit heads they are.

Ass kissing, Obama loving lying sacks of shit.

[American Patriot]

LOL Obama had to get the networks to break in to Trump.

LMFAO!


Arrogant asshole.

Puzzled about his birth certificate.... LOL

[New Guy]

looks real to me, looks like my birth certificate from Alaska. except for that curve on the left side, no idea what that is, unless it is from a microfilm or something.

[vector7]

[American Patriot]

looks real to me, looks like my birth certificate from Alaska. except for that curve on the left side, no idea what that is, unless it is from a microfilm or something.

Out of a big book of birth certificates. haha

[vector7]

BORN IN THE USA?
Does Hawaii ever release long-form birth certificates?

Ex-official says Obama's document is in file cabinet at Department of Health

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Posted: April 11, 2011
8:30 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

President Barack Obama in the Oval Office April 4, 2011

A former official with the Hawaii Department of Health says the short-form "Certification of Live Birth" displayed by the Obama campaign in 2008 to demonstrate the candidate's constitutional eligibility as a "natural born citizen" to occupy the Oval Office is the only document the state releases.

But the experience of others who have received copies of original long-form birth certificates by request contradicts Chiyome Fukino, former head of the state agency in charge of birth records, including those that may reveal details of Barack Obama's 1961 birth.

It was in an interview with MSNBC that Fukino asserted that the state issues only short-form Certifications of Live Birth.

"What he got, everybody got," Fukino said in the interview. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

Joshua Wisch of the Hawaii attorney general's office went further, telling MSNBC the original document belongs to the state and cannot be released to anyone – or copied by anyone.

"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he told MSNBC, saying there are no provisions that authorize copying such records.

The short-form document that Obama's campaign released in 2008:

This short-form "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign in 2008 does not have the name of the hospital or an attending physician, which would be included on a long-form "certificate of live birth," which has never been produced by Obama.

The document, which contains no information regarding birth hospital, attendant, doctor or other details found on all original long-form birth certificates, contrasts with the birth certificate from Hawaii made public by Susan Nordyke, who was born in Honolulu Aug. 5, 1961, just one day after Obama's reported date of birth and in the same hospital where he was reportedly born.

That image:

Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. Obama has never produced any document like this.

Moreover, on Oct. 13, 2010, a contributor with the username "Danae" posted on FreeRepublic.com a copy of her long-form birth certificate originally issued in 1969, but which the Hawaii Department of Health mailed to her Sept. 28, 2010, after she paid a $10 fee.

An image of her posting:


To verify her transaction, she also posted a receipt she was sent Sept. 28, 2010, by the Hawaii state agency.

Here is that image:


Because of the obvious questions raised by the statements of Hawaii officials defending the secrecy of Obama's birth records, "Danae" followed up with a photograph of her original long-form, hospital-generated certificate of live birth side-by-side with the copy she was sent:


She went even further, posting an image of both documents along with a short-form COLB, similar to the one presented by Obama's campaign, that she also had asked the Hawaii Department of Health to produce:


"Danae" obtained her long-form, hospital-generated certificate of birth to win a $200 bet with another FreeRepublic participant operating under the username "james777." The dare was for someone to prove he or she could get a long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii DOH after 2001, when the Hawaii DOH went electronic and agency spokeswoman Janice Okubo claimed the department quit issuing such documents.

The Hawaii Revised Statutes, Paragraph 38-13(a) specifies that the agency "shall, upon request, furnish an applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof." Further, subparagraph C allows that copies of birth certificates "may be made by photograph, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health."

Others have obtained long-form birth certificates from Hawaii, according to a report in "The Post & Email" blog by Miki Booth.

"When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that – a "Certificate of Live Birth," not the same as Obama's. Different titles and different information. Obama's is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport – Mother's State/Country of Birth and Father's State/Country of Birth," she wrote.

She also released an image of a "Certificate of Live Birth" belonging to a friend that appears to be a long-form document with much additional detail not included in a short-form "Certification of Live Birth."

She said the long-form "Certificate of Live Birth" was obtained from Hawaii in March 2011.

The image she posted on the Post & Email site:


Fukino told the MSNBC interviewer she doesn't expect her statements – she also made two on the subject earlier – will resolve anything.

Fukino, in late 2009, stated, "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

But it was about that time that Okubo declined to authenticate the online image from Obama.

Further, questions were raised by the issuance of Fukino's statements that she had seen the documentation. That's because Okubo said Hawaii law prohibits her from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.

She cited Hawaii Revised Statutes Section 338-18, which pertains to "Disclosure of Records."

That section of Hawaii law states, regarding the release of vital statistics records, "The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record."

In the MSNBC interview, Fukino said the dispute was "ludicrous."
She suggested there are those who would question anything regarding Obama.

"They're going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," she said during the interview.

She explained that the official Obama birth record absolutely exists – in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. When she released her first statements on the issue she carefully explained that the record was with the state in accordance with state law, but did not explain what that would mean.

She also told MSNBC she examined the records twice, reporting that she found the original record number, half typed and signed by the doctor.

The MSNBC report noted that when the short-form COLB image first was obtained, Obama needed to sign the request but got "testy."

Jerome Corsi, whose new book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?" will be released next month, said if the document is as Fukino is describing it now, she should have included those details when she first described it as a state official.

"Fukino is lying when she says Hawaii will not release long-form, hospital-generated birth certificates to those born in Hawaii requesting something more than a short-form certification of live birth," he said.

"Fukino has protected Obama with her statements since she was employed by the Hawaii Department of Health. Now, she is just continuing the cover-up," he said.

"Frequently, when the family under Hawaii law came into a regional Hawaii DOH office to register an out-of state birth or a foreign birth as a Hawaii birth, the family would bring the name of a local obstetrician as documentation the mother gave birth in Hawaii. Just listing an obstetrician proves nothing about the fact of a Hawaii birth. What the Hawaii DOH needs to document is a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate that lists not an obstetrician who may have given medical care to an expecting mother, but an attending physician who gave birth to the baby in a Hawaii hospital.

"Why didn't Fukino describe in this detail the Obama birth records in the Hawaii DOH vault when she was an officer of the department? ... Now that Fukino has described the Obama birth records in this detail, the privacy of the records has been compromised, such that the Hawaii DOH should make public the full records on file in the Hawaii DOH vault."

Further, he noted there are confusing circumstances in the situation, since Obama was born before the Nordyke twins but has a COLB number higher in sequence.

He suggested that the issue of the birth certificate – and status as a "natural born citizen" that would meet the Constitution's requirements for presidents – is becoming problematic for the Obama administration.

A former elections worker in Hawaii, Tim Adams, has said his superiors at the elections office in Honolulu checked with the state health department and local hospitals, only to find out that none had Obama's long-form birth certificate.

While not having access to Hawaii Department of Health birth records, Adams says his office had access to numerous databases to verify people's identities, including the Social Security database, driver's licenses, passports, tax and banking records, police files and the national crime computer.

He has since signed an affidavit swearing to his allegations.

The controversy over eligibility has grown recently with billionaire developer and potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggesting Obama's presidency could be illegal. But Adams is not expecting the commander in chief to be removed from office.

"That gets into the extremist fantasies that somehow they're going to frog-march Barack Obama out of the White House – it's never going to happen," he said.

Adams says he even offered the current Democratic governor of the state, Neil Abercrombie, his personal assistance to help verify any long-form birth certificate if it were ever produced.

"Governor Abercrombie said that he was afraid that even if they managed to bring out the original birth certificate or a copy of the original birth certificate, there would still be people who would say, 'Oh, it's a forgery, oh, it's a fake,' whatever. I told him that if he wanted help convincing people it was real, I would be happy to do so. If he actually had the birth certificate. I got nothing back from the man."

Abercrombie made national headlines earlier this year when he publicly sought to bring closure to the issue and then explained he couldn't find Obama's long-form birth certificate, only some sort of written notation.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser.

Adams explained, "He found a registration, he found an archive notation. He did not find a birth certificate. You'll never see one from him."

A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.

While Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center at one point used the image of a letter purportedly from Obama praising the hospital as the location of his birth, its authenticity also remains in question.

[Toad]

Repubs are lining up in droves now saying it's legit and the issue is over.

[New Guy]

yep it is microfilm, look at the black and white one that vector just posted.

i'll post a scan of mine later for comparison

[Toad]

As you would expect, the feces has hit the fan over at Free Republic.

[American Patriot]

I don't have a copy of mine handy, but I'll get one and show you what mine looked like from the State of Michigan.

It's a NEGATIVE copy by the way. Like the other one, which is what most people born in the 1950s and 1960s get.

I was born in 1957 in Detroit Michigan at St. Josephs hospital (which I think no longer exists now). To get a copy of my original certificate I have to write to the state, and get a certified copy, which is a PHOTO copy of a microfisch film which is negative.

It's not a printed copy like that. Looking at other copies of certificates that were created the day after tells me the one Obama has was created as quickly as could be accomplished so that he'd have a legitimate certificate.

I guess to me - I never have cared all that much one way or the other. If however, it's not real, which I honestly can't yet believe or agree it is, then he needs to go. Now.

[Malsua]

Well, now we have proof he's not a natural born citizen.

[Backstop]

I'm almost ready to say this is a fake, but I have as much proof of that as I do to claim it's real.

Barry O. was just too hesitant, and let the argument ferment, just too damn long.

He could've ended it all by just releasing this a long time ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/obama.birth.certificate/

Obama releases original long-form birth certificate

By Alan Silverleib, CNN
April 27, 2011 10:20 a.m. EDTApril 27, 2011 10:20 a.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- The White House released copies of President Barack Obama's original long-form birth certificate Wednesday, seeking to put an end to persistent rumors that he was not born in the United States.

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Obama told reporters at the White House.

"Normally I would not comment on something like this," the president said. But the country has "enormous challenges" that it will not be able to effectively meet "if we're distracted."

The president ripped what he characterized as a recent focus on "side shows" and "carnival barkers."

PDF: See a copy of the certificate





Obama released a shorter, legally binding "certificate of live birth" in 2008, but many opponents of the president continued to assert he was born overseas.

The administration had to make a special request from the state of Hawaii to get the long-form birth certificate released, White House legal counsel Bob Bauer said. Typically, the state only releases what's called a certificate of live birth when people request a birth certificate.

While the president has tried to make light of the controversy, the question has remained political red meat for some of his critics. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe he probably or definitely was not born in America.

What's your take on the birth certificate release?

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president -- a vague clause that some members of the "birther" movement contend disqualifies Obama from the presidency, since they believe he was born overseas.

"The president believed the distraction over his birth certificate wasn't good for the country," White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said. "It may have been good politics and good (television), but it was bad for the American people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country.

"At a time of great consequence for this country -- when we should be debating how we win the future, reduce our deficit, deal with high gas prices, and bring stability to the Middle East, Washington, D.C., was once again distracted by a fake issue," Pfeiffer said. "The president's hope is that with this step, we can move on to debating the bigger issues that matter to the American people and the future of the country."

Pfeiffer told reporters that the so-called "birther debate" has been politically damaging to the Republican Party.

Skeptics contend, among other things, that Obama was born in his father's home country of Kenya. Potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump recently seized on the issue, saying he had doubts about Obama's background.

Trump stands by "birther" claims

Following the White House's release of the long-form birth certificate, Trump told reporters in New Hampshire Wednesday morning that he is "very proud" of himself for helping to bring about the release of the document.

"I've accomplished something nobody else was able to accomplish," Trump said. "I'd want to look at (the birth certificate), but I hope it's true so that we can get on to much more important matters."

Obama "should have (released the certificate) a long, long time ago," he said.

Trump, a billionaire business tycoon and reality television star, blamed the media for repeatedly bringing up the issue. Trump, however, has frequently raised questions about Obama's birthplace during his climb in recent GOP primary polls.

Allegations that Obama was not born in the United States have been repeatedly discredited. A recent CNN investigation turned up no evidence to support the birther claims.

[Backstop]

OK - we're starting to split this topic in to 2 different threads.

I'm gonna stick with this one.

Rick, you mentioned your BC was like a negative.

I was also born in Michigan, and mine is the same.

But check it out - where is the raised state seal on Barry O's BC, like is one mine and probably yours?

[Backstop]

Nothing personal, but we're splitting the topic here.

I'm limiting my comments about this to this thread where the topic originally started:

http://www.transasianaxis.com/vb/showthread.php?p=64945#post64945

[American Patriot]

gues I ought to merge these threads then?

I thought something new would come out.