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    Default Re: Challenging Obama's Eligibility to be President

    One simple question that hasn't been answered is if it was as easy as this, why all the obfuscation and delay?

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    Questions About Barack Obama's status as a "natural born citizen"
    Summary of the eRumor:
    A variety of articles and lawsuits that question whether Barack Obama is eligible to be President of the United States based on his citizenship.

    The Truth:
    Update April 27, 2011: The long-form birth certificate of President Barack Hussein Obama was released today by the White House proving that the president was born in the state of Hawaii.


    Long Form Birth Certificate of Barack Hussein Obama III posted on White House web site


    This development came after a series of television appearances of Donald Trump who is considering a run for the Oval Office and has repeatedly questioned the origins of Obama.

    During a press conference at the White House the President said he provided additional information about the site of his birth and added, "I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. But I’m speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press. We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do. We’ve got big problems to solve. And I’m confident we can solve them, but we’re going to have to focus on them -- not on this"





    White House video posted on YouTube


    Update June 10, 2010: In a World Net Daily Exclusive today, Tim Adams, a former Honolulu senior elections clerk, claimed that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii and “that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.” Adams was employed by the State of Hawaii in 2008 as absentee ballot box manager and his job was to verify voter eligibility. He told World Net Daily, "There is no birth certificate.” He added, "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."
    Adams said that during the 2008 campaign there were questions of Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to run for President that the elections office was overwhelmed with requests to verify his birthplace. Adams made some inquiries and was informed by his boss that there was no record of the birth for candidate Obama.
    During the 2008 Presidential Campaign there were conflicting reports as to the Honolulu hospital where Obama had been born, Queen's Medical Center or Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children. Adams said that his office made inquiries with both facilities and was told, “We don't have a birth certificate for him." Adams also said that "they told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

    Update December 21, 2009: Dr. Orly Taitz is an attorney who filed a lawsuit in Southern California questioning the authenticity of the birth certificate of President Barack Obama. The lawsuit was filed on the day Obama was sworn into the office of the President. Dr. Taitz told TruthOr Fiction.Com that the latest version eRumor involving Supreme Court Justice Scalia is a fabrication.

    Taitz filed a case with the US Supreme Court but was told by clerks that the case would have to be heard at a lower levels of our justice system. Dr. Taitz has a blog posted for those interested in following this case which was originally scheduled to be heard in January 2010. There have been numerous attempts to hack Taitz's blog site and in October 2009, the Search Engine Google posted a warning about the possibility of spy-ware infection from the site before directing web-surfers to the link at their own risk.

    Update October 29, 2009: The Associated press reported on October 29, 2009 that U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter dismissed the case in Santa Ana, California. In a written statement, Carter said that the court cannot "sweep away the votes of over 68 million Americans with the stroke of a pen, " and "that the U.S. Constitution does not give the court jurisdiction to decide the matter." Dr. Taitz is currently in the process of filing appeals. Click for Associated Press Story.


    Update May 5 2009: A new Obama citizenship story story claiming to be from the Associated Press saying that a group called "Americans for Freedom of Information" released copies of Occidental College transcripts showing that the "Fulbright Foundation" had awarded Barack Obama, under the name of Barry Soetoro, financial aid to attend Occidental College. This claims to be the "Smoking Gun" to the rumor about his natural born citizen status. The eRumor began circulating in April 2009 and by the end of the month reached critical mass. There is no such story by the Associated press and looking at the dateline this appears to be an April Fools joke.

    An Occidental College spokesperson told TruthorFiction.com that President Obama's records are still sealed and no such transcripts have been released. When asked if the future President used the Obama or Soetoro name at the college, the spokesperson said that although he had not seen the sealed transcripts he had seen a 1981 photo book that was handed out to students and faculty at the beginning of the college year with student photos, names and hometown information. The 1981 photo book had "Barack Obama" under the student's photo and indicated a home state as Hawaii.

    There is no "Fulbright Foundation" but there is a Fulbright program that is sponsored by the US Department of State and does award scholarship grants to students working towards higher degrees who already have a Bachelor of Arts degree. The program was established in 1946 under legislation introduced by late Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas and each year awards approximately 7,500 grants. The grants are for both American students who want to study abroad and foreign students who want to study in the US. To be eligible certain criteria must be met. Click for Fulbright information.

    eRumor History:
    The Obama citizenship story began circulating during the 2008 presidential campaign and attracted a lot of interest, but on October 24, 2008, the judge in the case dismissed the lawsuit saying that the man who filed it lack standing and that any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters." Berg has announced that he will be appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court.

    The WorldNetDaily web site has reported that "More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama's decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status."

    An online petition has been set up by "Rally Congress", a non profit group "dedicated to helping people and groups communicate more effectively with elected officials", they say that they have collected over 108,000 signatures and letters. These numbers have grown considerably since the election. Click for petition.

    On November 18, 2008, the America's Independent Party (AIP) announced that Presidential candidate Alan Keyes and the party have filed a law suit with the California Superior court to keep Secretary of the State of CA, Debra Brown, from certifying the names of the electors to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, until proof of Barack Obama's U.S. Citizenship is verified. Click for AIP release.

    On November 1, 2008 the Associated Press released a report saying that state officials in Hawaii "have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate." Hawaiian Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino and Alvin Onaka, who is the registrar of vital statistics both reviewed the original document.

    The suit had been filed by Philip Berg , a Pennsylvania attorney who describe
    d himself as a lifelong Democrat, the former Democratic Chairman of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, an 8-year member of the state democratic committee, a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, and a past candidate for both governor of Pennsylvania and United States Senator.

    Berg filed the suit in federal court on August 21, 2008 claiming that Barack Obama was not eligible to be president of the United States because he was not a “natural born” citizen of the United States, which is required by the Constitution. He asked that the court demand Obama and the Democratic National Committee to provide documentation proving he was eligible to be president.. He also asked for a temporary restraining order asking that Obama’s campaign be halted.

    At issue was whether Barack Obama was ever an American citizen by birth, even if he is an American citizen whether he was a “natural born” citizen as the constitution requires for the president, and whether he ever lost his U.S. citizenship and, if so, whether he ever got it back.

    An Internet video began circulating based on an interview with Berg. It was titled October Surprise and outlined Bergs contentions about Obama’s birth.

    Most of this is has yet to be proven but in his lawsuit, Berg alleges:


    · That Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he claims, but was actually born in Kenya, his father’s homeland.
    · That Obama’s mother was in Kenya in the late stages of her pregnancy and airlines at the time would not let her fly back to Hawaii at such an advanced time of pregnancy.
    · That Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, a half brother, and a half sister all say Obama was born in Kenya. In October, 2008, Berg announced that he had a recording of the grandmother talking about the birth and that she was in the birth room when it took place.
    · That Obama was born on August 4, 1961 but his birth was not registered in Hawaii until August 8, 1961 and that the registration and a Honolulu newspaper announcement of the birth were fabricated.
    · That there is not agreement in Obama’s family about what hospital in which he was allegedly born in Hawaii.
    · That according to Wayne Madison, a journalist with Online Journal, a GOP research team sent to Mombosa, Kenya, found a certificate registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a maternity hospital indicating his birth to a Kenyan father and a U.S. mother.
    · That if he was born in Kenya, he cannot be a U.S. citizen because the law stated that his mother would have had to have lived 10-years in the United States, 5 of which were after the age of 14. Since she was 18 at the time of Obama’s birth, she did not meet the residency requirements for passing U.S. citizenship to Obama.
    · That when Obama’s mother married an Indonesian man and took Obama to Indonesia when he was 6-years old, he would have lost his U.S. citizenship and become Indonesian. Indonesia at the time did not recognize dual citizenship.
    · That when Obama was registered to attend school in Indonesia, the registration form listed him as “Barry Soetoro” (his stepfather’s last name), listed him as Indonesian, and listed is faith as Islam.
    · That according to the law at the time, Obama’s mother would have lost her U.S. citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and living in Indonesia. Four years later she returned to Hawaii and divorced her Indonesian husband. Berg said that she could have regained her U.S. citizenship by taking an oath of allegiance to the United States but that there is no record that she did. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his own citizenship until the age of 18 and himself take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. Berg said there is no record of that ever happening. Berg concludes that not only may Obama not be eligible to be president, but that he may be an illegal alien.
    · That Obama traveled to Pakistan at the age of 20 and traveled using an Indonesian passport. Had he regained his U.S. citizenship, according to Berg, he would have traveled using a U.S. passport.
    · In response to questions about his birth, Obama posted a birth certificate on his campaign website, but Berg contends that it is a forgery and that forensic experts have determined that it is a altered version of the birth certificate of Obama’s half sister, Maya Kasandra Soetoro, who was born in Indonesia but whose birth record was also forged to make it appear that she was born in Hawaii.
    · That when Obama registered for the Illinois Bar he lied and said “none” when asked about any former names.

    Berg said that Obama’s lawyers were dragging their feet in providing proof of Obama’s birth and citizenship and that means “he’s a total fraud, he’s a phony, and that means he should be arrested, tried, and deported.

    An eRumor got started at the beginning of October 2008, saying that the judge in the Berg case, had issued an order for Obama to produce his original birth certificate, but that was false. An article by Jon Dryer was posted on NewsWithViews.com, which has since been retracted. In it, Dryer claimed that Judge R. Barclay Surrick had made a decision in the case and had ordered Obama to present the court with evidence that he is an American citizen.

    The Berg lawsuit was the latest in a series of challenges about the birth of the Democratic nominee for president, which he lists as having taken place in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.


    The first was an eRumor that said that Hawaii was not a state when he was born so therefore he is not a “natural born” citizen. That one was Fiction! Hawaii was a state in 1961 and it would not have mattered because prior to that it was a U.S. Territory, which would have still qualified him as “natural born.” CLICK for more on that story.
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    Among the believers in Obama's birth certificate the folks at FactCheck.org.
    CLICK for fact check dot org findings


    The most detailed forensic investigation was posted on Atlus Shruggs, a conservative website by Pamela Geller. The investigation was done by a self described forensics expert who goes by the screen name of Techdude, but he has not been identified nor has his credentials been confirmed. Click here for report.

    Jerome Corsi, the controversial conservative author of the book The Obama Nation has said in TV interviews that he believes the birth certificate is phony. He made a trip to Kenya in 2008 and told WorldNetDaily that he, too, was told that Obama was born in Kenya but when he tried to gain access to official documents about Obama’s birth, he was told they had been sealed.


    In the latest chapter of this saga of Berg vs Obama, Philip Berg has issued a press release that said "Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit - Obama’s 'Not' Qualified to be President Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President."
    According to his website, "Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection."


    Click for Berg Press release and up to date progress of the case.
    Click here for updates on Pennsylvania Eastern District Court Filings for Berg vs. Obama

    Click for Illuminate Pictures video


    Images of documents related to this eRumor:



    Above: Left image is a real certified copy of registration of birth from Australia. The image of the right appears to be the same document doctored up to look like it came from Kenya. At the time of Obama's birth Kenya was was still under British possession and it was not until 1963 that it became an independent republic.











    Above: Certificate of Birth from Coast Province General Hospital in Kenya with Lucas Daniel Smith's affidavit
    filed with the U.S. District Court in Southern California by Dr. Orly Taitz



    Above: Certification of Live Birth posted on Obama's Fight the Smears website.
    The Video below has been circulating the Internet making it appear as the President admitted that he was born in Kenya. This is a digital manipulation with added excerpts from other media to lend it credibility. The original video is posted on the White House web site of President Obama addressing students in Turkey on April 7, 2009. Click here for the White House Video


    Edited and manipulated video posted on YouTube


    updated 04/27/11



    A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet::
    Version #1
    Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is
    Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

    by Jeff Schreiber
    America's Right.com

    A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern
    District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee. The action seeks an injunction preventing the
    senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is
    constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

    Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

    "I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after
    Obama is nominated.".

    Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen.
    Obama is not a naturalized U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he
    calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

    Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

    In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth,
    according to the l awsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

    Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani
    Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

    Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S.
    citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

    Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his
    mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was regi stered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

    The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

    "Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations,"
    Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

    "It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if
    elected."

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    Version #2
    October Surprise
    Saturday, October 11, 2008
    BORN IN THE COAST PROVINCIAL GENERAL HOSPITAL AT MOMBASSA, KENYA at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961
    Reports quote information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. And that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.
    Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg. See item #18 on this docket, page 10, the relevant language of which, underlined in red, is captured here in a screen shot: Barack Hussein Obama II By Judah Benjamin,
    It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg?s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
    British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law. If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien. Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see. If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized. If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen. Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.

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    Version #3
    Here is some breaking news that the MSM oddly enough is NOT reporting!

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
    Media contact

    Tom Hoefling
    Chairman, America's Independent Party
    National Committee Chairman, Alan Keyes for President 2008
    tomhoefling@gmail.com

    Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof, stop Secretary of State from certifying Electors
    Fenton, MI – November 14, 2008

    Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.
    In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama's California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.
    In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, "I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."
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    Version #4
    Indonesia
    Left to Right:

    Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro,baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro?

    This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.
    Name: Barry Soetoro

    Religion: Islam

    Nationality: Indonesian

    How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?



    In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school.


    The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

    The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

    To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

    This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States.

    Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya, here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship.


    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.

    This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records.

    Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder.
    Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.

    LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS - THE MEDIA WON'T !

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    Version #6 the Dr. Orly Taitz lawsuit:
    HUGE NEWS!
    FEDERAL JUDGE Carter sets Trial Date for Obama's Eligibility!!!

    The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearintoday in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief.. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.

    Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, 2009 since Obama's attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed.

    Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

    The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

    The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times..

    Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.

    Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama's eligibility will be known fairly soon -

    Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!

    Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon.

    Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz!

    She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless!

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    Version #6 the Occidental College story:
    Subject: Smoking gun finally found?
    April 1, 2009
    AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.
    The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administration’s efforts to move the country in a new direction.
    Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned”, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.
    In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
    Version #7 (Dec. 2009)
    VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

    AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
    The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President.

    When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Britain 's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups,
    Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
    LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !
    Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?
    While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?
    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

    And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only three possibilities.

    1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
    2) He traveled with a British passport, or
    3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
    A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

    Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

    If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. If he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

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    "There is no birth certificate [for Barack Obama]. It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there [Hawaii] knows this."

    "It was openly admitted by everyone in the office that was above me... that there is no documentation... that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii."

    "I was told, at the time, that there was no long form birth record, which would have been the case if President Obama was born in hospital in Honolulu... there is no such form in Hawaii. He does have a Certificate of Live Birth which is given to children of families who were residents of Hawaii when children are born outside the state. So I assert that he was born outside of Hawaii."


    Tim Adams, a former-Senior Elections Clerk for the City and County of Honolulu Hawaii, has been releasing mega-bomb-shells, like the ones above, for a month now... to anyone who will listen... and yet, the Main Stream Media still refuses to investigate his allegations.

    Why not? If the allegations are true, then it is entirely possible that Barack Hussein Obama is INELIGIBLE to be President of the United States and may have committed the biggest political crime in American history right before our very eyes?

    It would stand to reason that the media would investigate allegations of this magnitude... especially allegations coming from a man, such as Adams, who was in a position to credibly make such claims. It would even stand to reason that the Obama-Media would investigate this story in an attempt to discredit it... but no such luck... the Obama-Media has been not-so-strangely silent.

    Of course, The Western Center for Journalism has not been silent. We've covered this story... boldly... without fear... and we will continue to cover this stories and stories like it, until the American people have the truth... the whole truth... and nothing but the truth when it comes to Barack Hussein Obama.

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    What Does Barack Hussein Obama Have To Hide?

    Of course, Barack Hussein Obama could put the issue to rest and take the wind right out of Adams' sails right now by simply releasing his actual long form birth certificate.

    But he won't. In fact he is still actively refusing to release his actual long form birth certificate.

    He's dug in his heels and his underlings look down their noses at the American people and call legitimate questions “garbage” ... no explanations... no substantive reasons given.

    And the one pivotal question that those who attempt to dismiss the controversy cannot answer is still: If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, what’s the problem? The more he resists, the more you have to wonder.

    Meanwhile the liberal press is trying to drag this story (and Adams) into a dark alley and bludgeon it to death.

    Adams recently told WorldNetDaily that he's been called "a Nazi, a skinhead, a racist, and a host of other epithets," even though his detractors could not point to anything in his "writing(s) or statements that would give credence to their claims."

    And MSNBC's Keith Olbermann even went so far as to call Adams a "white supremacist." Of course Olbermann, as usual, had no facts to back-up such an accusation... it was nothing more than an unprovoked attempt to assassinate the character of a man who is making statements that run counter to the party-line being promoted by Barack Hussein Obama.

    But unlike Olbermann, The Western Center for Journalism is dedicated to bringing you the truth... the good... the bad... and the ugly... and with your help, we'll continue to do so, until the bitter end... until the truth about Barack Hussein Obama is known by every man, woman and child in the United States of America.


    Not Conspiracy Theories... Just The Facts...

    Here are some of the disturbing facts surrounding Barack Hussein Obama’s actual long form birth certificate – not rumors, not wild theories – just the facts.

    FACT #1: Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States states, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President..." It's NOT a technicality, or lunacy on the part of our Founding Fathers. It is a specific statement within a document that forms the basis for ALL of our laws and not open to interpretation (unless the entire Constitution should be now open to interpretation).

    FACT #2: In order to be a "natural born citizen," you must be born in the United States or, if you are born abroad, you CAN (if specific circumstances are met) inherit citizenship status from your parents. If he was born abroad, then that's a problem for Barack Hussein Obama because his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of majority when Obama was born - meaning SHE COULD NOT pass citizenship on to Obama.

    FACT #3: If Barack Hussein Obama WAS NOT born in the United States, he IS NOT a "natural born citizen" and if that is the case, Obama is guilty of perpetuating the most massive fraud in the history of the United States.

    FACT #4: Barack Hussein Obama has actively refused to produce his actual long form birth certificate to the people who elected him. Under Hawaiian law, only Obama can legally release the document but he just won't do it. Why not?

    FACT #5: Instead of producing an actual long form birth certificate, Team Obama pulled some sleight-of-hand and produced another document – a “Certification of Live Birth” – and said, in effect, “Here’s his Birth Certificate! Now shut up.”

    And, in light of Adams' allegations, FACT #5 is of particular importance. To put it in Adams' own words:

    "I was told, at the time, that there was no long form birth record, which would have been the case if President Obama was born in hospital in Honolulu... there is no such form in Hawaii. He does have a Certificate of Live Birth which is given to children of families who were residents of Hawaii when children are born outside the state. So I assert that he was born outside of Hawaii." [Emphasis Ours]

    Adams also said: "Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]. They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. ... It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

    So why won't the Main Stream Obama-Media investigate these allegations? Why won't the Main Stream Media air the facts? Your guess is as good as ours but don't hold your breathe waiting for them to stop distorting and start reporting.

    That's our job and with your help, we can continue to get the job done each and every day. Please help us to continue exposing the truth about Barack Hussein Obama. You have our pledge that we will not rest until the job is done.

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    (c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
    (d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
    (e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
    (f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.

    It is reasonable that these documents should be produced considering that his father is Kenyan, his adoptive father is Indonesian, and his grandmother claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya. If he is a natural born citizen then producing these documents should not be any problem.

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    Ryan, that's an intelligent unbiased question.

    Rick,

    You're still arguing using conjecture, not fact, to the relevant point. You say he is not born here, then prove it. Just saying "I"M A CITIZEN I PROVED IT 100 TIMES OVER" is not proof that Obama is not a citizen. Prior to today, everyone's "proof" was that he wouldn't show his "original" bc. He just showed it. I'm not asking or asserting ANYTHING that any normal unbiased and honest person would. I'm simply asking ANYONE to provide the proof that Obama is not born in the USA.

    Another thing to think about. You don't have proof he DIDN'T supply this information to anyone. I haven't seen one news article or law suit that said "1st man graduates from Harvard without supplying a bc".

    You keep asserting YOUR citizenship. We all got that. Loud and clear. Your citizenship is not in question. Obama's is. And, Obama just asserted his citizenship. Btw Rick, I notice you really jump the gun on a lot of discussion here. This is your board. You can do what you want. But it seems unbecoming of you to do so. I understand you're passionate about this but sometimes you get more emotional and less scientific about the debating process. Once again, that's your right. Not suggesting you stop. Not suggesting anything other than it's not like a person to claim "free thinker" then lump people into a category for simply disagreeing or pointing out flaws in a logical argument.

    There are other avenues to explore here btw. Ryan pointed out a good point. Also, is there ANYTHING that could make a US born child lose his/her citizenship? What is the definition of a natural born citizen? Does he technically qualify knowing his dad was from Kenya and not a US citizen?

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    I'm noticing the constitution and it's amendments, primarily the 12th and 14th, do not specifically define what constitutes "natural born". It seems to be a matter argued in court and Congress through the decades. Specifically, the parental citizenships and the need of only ONE parent to be a US Citizen. Compounding the problem, what has been accepted in the court of law from the 1700s to now has changed multiple times. "Natural born" appears to extend beyond 'born in the US of two US citizens'.


    Wiki has a good article on the entire subject.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...Citizen_Clause


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    I'm noticing the constitution and it's amendments, primarily the 12th and 14th, do not specifically define what constitutes "natural born". It seems to be a matter argued in court and Congress through the decades. Specifically, the parental citizenships and the need of only ONE parent to be a US Citizen. Compounding the problem, what has been accepted in the court of law from the 1700s to now has changed multiple times. "Natural born" appears to extend beyond 'born in the US of two US citizens'.


    Wiki has a good article on the entire subject.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...Citizen_Clause
    I think that Orly Taitz attorney tried to challenge this. It was really weird how none of the media really picked up on it. They dismissed her as a kook. I think her case was that since his dad was not a citizen of the US or a citizen of a country that could maintain dual citizenship with the US then that meant he wasn't a natural born citizen (or something to that nature).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbudda View Post
    Ryan, that's an intelligent unbiased question.

    Rick,

    You're still arguing using conjecture, not fact, to the relevant point. You say he is not born here, then prove it. Just saying "I"M A CITIZEN I PROVED IT 100 TIMES OVER" is not proof that Obama is not a citizen. Prior to today, everyone's "proof" was that he wouldn't show his "original" bc. He just showed it. I'm not asking or asserting ANYTHING that any normal unbiased and honest person would. I'm simply asking ANYONE to provide the proof that Obama is not born in the USA.
    No, I never said any such thing. I said I don't BELIEVE he was born here now, and I'll repeat my points.

    1) He will NOT show a CERTIFIED COPY of his original birth Certificate.
    2) He has spent an enormous amount of money to HIDE something.
    3) Moveon.Org and Factcheck.org are part and parcel of the same side of a coin - leftist organizations helping him HIDE things.

    None of that is conjecture. Show me the money.

    He has NOT shown an original birth certificate, and even if he had, it's not his "Certified Copy". Just show it. That's all he has to do. Just SHOW it. The copy he showed today is a forgery. I'm not going to tell you how I know, but I KNOW it is.

    Another thing to think about. You don't have proof he DIDN'T supply this information to anyone. I haven't seen one news article or law suit that said "1st man graduates from Harvard without supplying a bc".
    If he did, it's a public record, on file in Illinois and it's not on file. In nearly all the states you have to file papers to run for offices... in particular, he had to file to run to be Senator.

    Specifically, he had to show he was at least 30, a citizen of the US for at least 9 years prior to running and a resident of the state in which he lived.

    That means he showed someone something.... now where is that record?

    it's hidden away for some reason.

    Why? I don't know - I can only guess he wouldn't want you to know about his birth certificate or some other information that would have been detrimental to him in his run for Senate and later for President.

    You keep asserting YOUR citizenship. We all got that. Loud and clear. Your citizenship is not in question. Obama's is.
    Yes you're correct, perhaps you "got it" but you're not hearing me.

    No, my citizenship isn't in question because I did what was REQUIRED of me and showed every agency that has ever asked for it, my certified birth certificate copy.

    And, Obama just asserted his citizenship. Btw Rick, I notice you really jump the gun on a lot of discussion here.
    I don't "jump the gun". I assert my point of view. tough shit if you don't fucking like it. That's my RIGHT to do so, and I'm sick and tired of people like you playing games with the American public.

    This is your board.
    It's RYAN's board.

    You can do what you want.
    It's a free country.

    But it seems unbecoming of you to do so.
    In your OPINION, because I don't knuckle under and let people walk over me. If you don't like it, move along.

    I understand you're passionate about this but sometimes you get more emotional and less scientific about the debating process.
    There's no emotion in this, Zen... it's the very fact that there is a damned lot of evidence the guy isn't a citizen, and you simply discount it because you want things your way. Like Obama.

    Not this time, I want things MY way, and that is - SHOW ME A BIRTH CERTIFICATE that has be absolutely certified by a state official. NOT ONCE has any such thing been shown. NOT ONCE.

    Once again, that's your right. Not suggesting you stop. Not suggesting anything other than it's not like a person to claim "free thinker" then lump people into a category for simply disagreeing or pointing out flaws in a logical argument.
    There isn't any flaw in my logic. I don't believe the man is a citizen for the exact reasons I've cited. Up until today however, that wasn't true. I had long ago thought that the "birther movement" was stupid.

    As of today for some reasons I can't cite right this minute - because it would lead some specific complications, I am saying absolutely, without a doubt, that document provided today was a FRAUD. An absolute FAKE. It is a forgery.

    WORSE its not even certified by the state of Hawaii. Sorry, it isn't going to fly.

    There are other avenues to explore here btw. Ryan pointed out a good point. Also, is there ANYTHING that could make a US born child lose his/her citizenship? What is the definition of a natural born citizen? Does he technically qualify knowing his dad was from Kenya and not a US citizen?
    You can not lose your citizenship by having it taken from you. The government can not do it.

    The sections of the law that pertained to losing ones nationality is found at 8 USC 1482... you might wanna look it up for yourselves.

    You can lose your citizenship by:

    Becoming naturalized citizen of another country.

    Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country.

    By being convicted of committing treason.

    Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office.

    Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General.

    Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force.

    Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance.

    Definition of a "natural born citizen" has to do with the soil upon which one is born and not through blood (jus sanguinis) - my latin is pretty rusty so look it up for yourself. In other words if you're born in any of the states of the US, its territories or for instance, on a military installation, you're automagically a US "Natural" citizen.

    If you're born to parents living in a foreign country, both of whom are citizens of the US and have not renounced their citizenship - you probably are a citizen.

    Obama doesn't fall into that group. His parents were neither one US citizens.

    His only recourse is to have been born in Hawaii which was a territory in 1959 and a state in August of 1959. Obama being born there would make him a citizen.

    Just show me a real, honest to God, not forged birth certificate - one that was made up on Abobe, and wasn't created by modifying segments of other person's certificates. One that was photocopied directly from the records, and then actually certified by the clerk and recorder responsible for the records of the state.

    Until then, like I have had to do dozens of times, he needs to show that record to the people of this country who are questioning it and stop stalling.

    This is no longer a question of whether he was born there or not - it's a question of ethics - and as of today, I have ZERO trust for the man. The document was a forgery and it was done to protect him.
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    Don't know if anyone has seen this but this has also been released.

    http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/...espondence.pdf

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    Something else interesting...



    In this example picture they are twin daughters of the same woman, born a day later than Obama at the same facility, but the certificate numbers are lower than his. Odd...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
    Something else interesting...



    In this example picture they are twin daughters of the same woman, born a day later than Obama at the same facility, but the certificate numbers are lower than his. Odd...
    Ryan, this one also shows something very interesting... the little X's over the twins/triplets and the other random marks. take a peek. possible they used carbon paper to make copies back then i suppose, or was it a way to double check the entries maybe? I suppose some people (no one here) will think that they took a copy of one of these and switched the names etc since the marks seem to match up.

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    Who is the registrar? Ukelele? The instrument?

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    "I don't "jump the gun". I assert my point of view. tough shit if you don't fucking like it. That's my RIGHT to do so, and I'm sick and tired of people like you playing games with the American public."

    I officially challenge you (and you WILL LOSE) to back that up with facts. You have none. It's pure witless vitriol. Sadly enough, you are better than this. Disagreeing with your emotion IS NOT unpatriotic, and is NOT bringing America to it's knees. People flying off the handle and making pointless and un-factual accusations however, is.

    Back to the task at hand. There is no current, solid evidence that the bc he presented was forged or fake. Like 9/11, the crackpot evidence is interesting to say the least. But it's not by far PROOF that it's a fake. By all means, if someone finds it's a fake, let's see the proof. THAT'S what I've been asking for. Somehow my desire to focus on facts and not emotion has got some people riled.

    I'm going to re-voice this again before Rick blows a gasket (un-neccessarily). If the bc is a fake (there IS NO CURRENT EVIDENCE TO FACTUALLY AND CONCLUSIVELY SUPPORT THIS), by all means, something drastic needs to happen. I don't agree with certain avenues Obama has chosen for our country. There are certain things I don't trust about him, period. There are and were things i don't trust about Bush Jr and Bush Sr either. But facts are facts, and emotion distorts how those facts are digested.

    Ryan,

    Having worked in the software industry (both private and government) I can attest to the fact that certification number ranges change from time to time. Maybe they switched software?

    Also, think about SSN's. I grew up new the Austin, TX area. I think my SSN was request from an office in San Marcos. People I graduated with that born around the same month that got theirs from Austin are in a different range than the ones that got theirs from San Marcos.

    But that does make for an interesting find. Hell, it's from the same hospital and supposed to be a few days apart. Maybe there were some complications in filing for the bc hence the later number? Something tells me though, if he did spend as much money as Rick proposes, they would have thought of that. He had enough time to fake a bc. Hell, illegal immigrants have been faking them for quite some time. A guy with unlimited resources would be able to create a brand new retro-active bc lol.
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    Ryan,

    Having worked in the software industry (both private and government) I can attest to the fact that certification number ranges change from time to time. Maybe they switched software?

    Also, think about SSN's. I grew up new the Austin, TX area. I think my SSN was request from an office in San Marcos. People I graduated with that born around the same month that got theirs from Austin are in a different range than the ones that got theirs from San Marcos.

    But that does make for an interesting find. Hell, it's from the same hospital and supposed to be a few days apart. Maybe there were some complications in filing for the bc hence the later number? Something tells me though, if he did spend as much money as Rick proposes, they would have thought of that. He had enough time to fake a bc. Hell, illegal immigrants have been faking them for quite some time. A guy with unlimited resources would be able to create a brand new retro-active bc lol.
    Changing number ranges within the span of the same week seems a little odd. I could see in a year or even a quarter but not in the middle of a week.

    I did hear something on Savage that one might think addresses the issue with certificate numbers. He mentioned that the disparity between Obama's birth date and the date it was processed by the registrar that there may have been a couple day delay in Obama's parents naming him. This would have meant a delay in the document being processed by the regstrar causing it to be processed after the twins despite their being born after him. But, looking at the dates, that doesn't jive. His was still processed on the 8th while the twins were on the 11th yet Obama's number is still higher.

    Could they be processing numbers backwards? Perhaps but that seems just as odd as changing ranges mid week.

    Knowing the type of person Obama is I just get this gut feeling that there is some sleight of hand to watch for.

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    He mentioned that the disparity between Obama's birth date and the date it was processed by the registrar that there may have been a couple day delay...
    Yeah - more like about 50 years.


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    LOL!

    In thinking about the form numbering issue, I thought of one possibility...

    I suppose it could be possible that these forms are pre-numbered at the time of printing. They are then handed out in groups to different registrars (assuming there is more than one). It would then be possible that one registrar could have a form numbered earlier than Obama's yet processed later.

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    I officially challenge you (and you WILL LOSE) to back that up with facts. You have none. It's pure witless vitriol. Sadly enough, you are better than this. Disagreeing with your emotion IS NOT unpatriotic, and is NOT bringing America to it's knees. People flying off the handle and making pointless and un-factual accusations however, is.
    Challenge me on what?

    I never stated anything about patriotism, Zen. You are attempting to redirect the conversation anyway.

    My "Emotion" about this is pretty much running through the population of the US on this.

    It comes down to something very, very simple. Show an actual "certified" copy of your real birth certificate.

    Let me explain that since you're pretending to be too dense to get what I am saying here.

    The certificate Obama showed was probably a copy of a real one. Looking over it yesterday with a couple of guys who are experts on forgery stuff - they found some interesting things. I can't say more about that, BUT Vector was on to it with his post about Adobe. I'll leave you to work that part out for now.

    Now... "certified copy". My wife had a "short form" certificate that was even stamped by the state. It was insufficient to get her passport. My photocopies of my certificate (and yours, Ryans, and everyone else's) are INSUFFICIENT to obtain a passport or a drivers license.

    Here's my gripe with this. The copy he showed has no "raised seal" (which is a state issued notary seal). With out it, the piece of paper is a piece of paper and not worth the paper it's written on.

    It has to have that seal.

    The copy we were shown doesn't have it. It COULD be a fake and it would not be accepted from anyone else as evidence that they were born in Hawaii. They could not use it for a DL or a passport.


    Back to the task at hand. There is no current, solid evidence that the bc he presented was forged or fake. Like 9/11, the crackpot evidence is interesting to say the least. But it's not by far PROOF that it's a fake. By all means, if someone finds it's a fake, let's see the proof. THAT'S what I've been asking for. Somehow my desire to focus on facts and not emotion has got some people riled.
    Actually, there is sufficient computer evidence that I saw one hour after it was released to convince me that it wasn't real. I work in security, I work with all sorts of people and they take their jobs seriously and do them well. They would use the same evidence in court to convict someone of forging government documents.... I'd say that's good enough for me.

    Will they pursue it? Likely not at risk of their jobs.

    I'm going to re-voice this again before Rick blows a gasket (un-neccessarily). If the bc is a fake (there IS NO CURRENT EVIDENCE TO FACTUALLY AND CONCLUSIVELY SUPPORT THIS), by all means, something drastic needs to happen. I don't agree with certain avenues Obama has chosen for our country. There are certain things I don't trust about him, period. There are and were things i don't trust about Bush Jr and Bush Sr either. But facts are facts, and emotion distorts how those facts are digested.
    Read the cursory stuff that Vector posted about Adobe. Just start there. That IS current evidence that does factually support it, not conclusively though.

    When you get lied to, over and over, you're going to get mad too. Eventually, you're going to realize just how much you've been lied too.

    By the way my "anger" is much less than that of those "Truthers" who went after Bush. Much less. So get off your fucking high horse.

    Ryan,

    Having worked in the software industry (both private and government) I can attest to the fact that certification number ranges change from time to time. Maybe they switched software?
    I agree with this. But certification numbers don't change drastically. There is a logical explanation though. The certs were pre-numbered and they were taken out of sequence. Easy to do, and highly probable.

    Also, think about SSN's. I grew up new the Austin, TX area. I think my SSN was request from an office in San Marcos. People I graduated with that born around the same month that got theirs from Austin are in a different range than the ones that got theirs from San Marcos.
    Same here. The Social Security Administration is HUGE though and issues thousands of new numbers every day. In 1961 Hawai'i's records sections were small, and there were an average of 12-13 people born per year. There's no reason to believe that numbers were issued out of sequence due to an over abundance of people being born.

    But that does make for an interesting find. Hell, it's from the same hospital and supposed to be a few days apart. Maybe there were some complications in filing for the bc hence the later number? Something tells me though, if he did spend as much money as Rick proposes, they would have thought of that. He had enough time to fake a bc. Hell, illegal immigrants have been faking them for quite some time. A guy with unlimited resources would be able to create a brand new retro-active bc lol.
    Most hospitals have a series of certificates they use and therefore that can explain the out of sequence numbers.

    But, nothing can explain the artifacts you can dig up on the document.... except fraud and forgery.
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    ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

    Techdude delivers a final report that exceeds my wildest expectations. It is irrefutable, empirical evidence - Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Why? Why a COLB (certificate of live birth) forgery? That is the question.

    My deepest thanks and appreciation for Techdude's unwavering commitment to the truth despite the threats and harassment, the slashed tires and the dead animal on his porch.



    Insofar as "techdude's" credentials, he is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association - the list goes on.



    He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then.


    Here is his analysis:

    Obama’s Birth Certificate – CHANGE you can believe in.
    I have decided to leave out the low level technicalities and the how-to section of this report due to a lack of time and more importantly I want to get the facts out as quickly as possible. As some of you may or may not know some asshat decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me from proceeding with releasing any details of my analysis. They did succeed in delaying the report by a few days but instead of deterring me they just really pissed me off. To their credit, if I had not taken a few days off from the analysis I would have missed the most damning piece of evidence – the remnants of the previous security border. So to the demented retard who slaughtered an animal to make a point – f*ck you and thank you. And because of the amazing number of violent psychopaths who seem to be drawn to this issue, I am not going to use or supply any details that can be used to identify the owners of the COLBS used in the analysis except for those which have already been publicly disclosed. If the owners want to come forward on their own that is entirely their decision. Now let’s get to the summarized report.



    In questioned document analysis there are several methods for detecting forgeries – the most basic of which is to conduct a side by side evaluation of known good samples to compare against the questioned one and to use an alternate light source to highlight the changes in the color and density of the inks and paper. In the case at hand there are no questioned physical documents to examine so I used the same basic techniques modified for the digital age for use in computer forensic analysis.



    The following analysis was conducted using various Hawaiian COLBS issued over a multi-year time frame ranging from 2001 through 2008 but this report will focus only on the results from the March 2007 through June 2008 certificates for accurately comparing against the KOS image purportedly printed by the Health Department of Hawaii in June 2007. I am only interested in comparing apples to apples as they say but I will touch on some of the other years for a brief comparative and observational analysis.



    Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis. Thanks to several individuals I managed to collect and review multiple images of certificates issued between 2001 through 2003 all of which bore an identical layout to the previous Decosta image which was issued during the same time frame. Several more certificate images and physical certificates were also sent to me of certificates issued between 2006 through 2008 directly by their respective owners. All of the 2006 through 2008 certificates bore an identical layout to one another. Several copies of the images were created to allow digital modifications to be made without altering the original images. MD5 and SHA1 signatures were generated for each of the images and their duplicates. The signatures of the duplicates matched against their originals and the original images were then moved to a separate protected directory on the server.



    By separating the certificate issue dates into groups the pre-2006 certificates show a clearly different security border design than the more recent 2006 through 2008 design. There were no other visually detectible modifications to the layout of the certificates between all time frames aside from the additional change from the DATE ACCPETED to DATE FILED headings.

    Image 1. 2001 – 2008 border patterns

    All known good certificate images from all time frames examined shared an apparent identical layout and font. Each of the available un-cropped full certificate images, from all time frames, showed the security borders to be almost perfectly centered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with all deviations off center being within 15 pixels. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace.

    Image 2. Measurements

    The embossed seals and ink stamps in all of the pre-2006 images are clearly visible in the scans however none of the post-2006 seals or ink stamps are visible without extensive manipulation to the digital images. Even when scanning the physical post-2006 certificate in my possession using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners I was also unable to produce an image which would allow the seal to show though the image. The ink stamps on the rear side were also not visible in the front side scans without digital modifications to the scanned images. My scans of the physical certificate also produced the same results using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners.



    The post-2006 COLBs were then compared against one another for a direct 1:1 comparison. Using copies of the images I digitally enhanced and modified the scans by removing only the hatch pattern background and then removing the merged information fields leaving just the raw document templates and saving them as a series of digital overlay templates. When the 2006 overlay was placed on top of the 2007 image they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size and kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2006 overlay on top of the 2008 image. Once again, they matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. The 2007 overlay was then applied on top of the 2008 image. The 2007 and 2008 also matched from corner to corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images. The fonts were observed to be in the same locations and of the same size, style, and kerning. Having verified that all of the examined post-2006 certificates were identical in form and substance I then focused the rest of the analysis using the 2007 and 2008 COLB KOS image to pin the document into the middle of the known time frame.
    Image 3. Overlays

    The same measurement methodology was used against the full un-cropped KOS image and showed the security borders to be uncentered from left to right within the lower 2/3 rd portion of the 8 ½ x 11 inch page with a deviation from the other measurements off center being the average of 75 pixels – a 60 pixel greater deviation. Measurements were taken from the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right, center top, and center bottom of each images security border to the edges of the visible paper which appeared as hard edges with the top cover of the scanners creating whitespace. The differences are also detectible visually without the use of digital enhancements.
    Image 4. measurement comparisons

    The previously created overlays were placed on top of the image. When the 2007 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from security border corner to security border corner with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations and they also did not share same kerning. The procedure was then used with the 2008 overlay on top of the KOS image. Once again when the 2008 overlay was placed on top of the image they did not immediately line up. After being matched from corner to corner like the 2007 overlay again with some minor variations on the minute angle of the images the security border pattern obviously did not match in pattern or in color. The fonts were observed to not be in the same locations on the page and they also did not share same kerning.
    Image 5. with 2007 and 2008 overlays

    A direct relative comparison using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the security border pattern and color. Several distinctions were noted from the 2007 / 2008 certificate security border versus the security border used in the KOS image.
    Image 6. Border comparisons

    Direct relative measurements using unmodified copies of the original images were made in regards to the font size and kerning. Several letters were distinctly different in width and kerning from the 2007 / 2008 certificate font versus the font used in the KOS image such as O, H, N, R, and C.
    Images 7 – 9. Animated GIFs showing kerning differences
    The metadata and EXIF information was then extracted from the 2007, 2008, and the two images. The metadata extracted from the JPG files consisted of the quantization tables used for compressing the image and the EXIF data if it was present.
    The 2007 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 75% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and contained no EXIF data.
    The 2008 image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 80% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained no EXIF data.
    The un-cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 90% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2550 x 3300 pixels in a portrait orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:
    [Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
    [DateTime ] = 2008:
    06:12
    08:42:36
    [ColorSpace ] = 65535
    [ExifImageWidth ] = 2550
    [ExifImageHeight] = 3300
    Raw Image Orientation = Portrait
    Photoshop Save As Quality = [8]
    Photoshop Save Format = [Progressive]
    The cropped image’s rate of compression was calculated to an approximated 50% quality factor at 300 dpi with an image size of 2427 x 2369 pixels in a landscape orientation and also contained the following relevant EXIF data:
    [Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
    [DateTime ] = 2008:
    06:12
    08:42:36
    [ColorSpace ] = 65535
    [ExifImageWidth ] = 2427
    [ExifImageHeight] = 2369
    Raw Image Orientation = Landscape
    The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were then analyzed by creating a heat map showing where each pixel changes as jpeg quality decreases from 100 to 0. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the red, green, and blue values exceeded 10%. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be saved with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS images showed the security border having a substantially different RGB quality value than the fonts and the seal image.

    Image 10. RGB value heat maps


    Image 11. Detailed images of RGB value heat maps

    The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were also analyzed for jpeg compression variations by creating a heat map showing where the difference for a particular compression level is indicated. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the error level values exceeded 10% of the previously calculated compression error rates. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be compressed with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS image indicated that the security border has a different error value than the fonts and the seal image.
    Image 12. Error level analysis heat maps

    Image 13. Detailed images of error level analysis heat map

    The image contains numerous visible artifacts located at various points throughout the image. These artifacts are not found on any other known good image from any examined time frame. I began creating a pixel level map of these errors by using a copy of the full un-cropped version and simply highlighting the areas by drawing a pixel wide line to the left and to the right of each visible flaw. The left side of the image towards the inside edge of the security border contained stray vertical lines that did not match up to any of the jpeg compression artifacts so they were highlighted. The right side of the image contained visual pixel level inconsistencies in the background hatch pattern. The right side pattern is visually consistent with the artifacts left after digitally erasing an area from an image and attempting to rebuild the background.
    Image 14. Some random flaws highlighted

    By connecting the points together the original placement of what appears to be part of the original security border becomes apparent. The placement of the lines matches the expected location of a good security border based on the known placement from the known good certificates. The width and spacing of the highlighted areas also match a 1:1 scale overlay from a section of a known good security border.
    Image 15. Connected lines

    A close examination of the security border itself reveals several repeating inconsistencies. Among them is a “weak line” which repeats once after every second bold line and a slightly downward curving end point where a straight line should end. This pattern continues around the entire perimeter of the security border. Upon very close inspection portions of the security border also repeat every 240 pixels. By mapping this repeating pattern it becomes apparent that the pattern is laid out as a 240 x 240 pixel square that can be accurately extrapolated to the next position by simply counting 240 pixels. This type of tiling effect is commonly seen when an image has been modified by filling an area using an image editing application’s tile or pattern fill function.
    Image 16. Mapped border pattern


    During the course of my analysis several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices. He was unwilling to give any specific details but did provide enough information to work with. The COLB certificates are printed directly in the clerk’s office at the time they are requested. The system uses a standard laser printer and the border is printed at the same time as the text and other images on top of preprinted security paper. He stated the border is a vector image and would appear crisp and defined. When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. When asked if he had seen the images on-line he replied that he had – and that there is “no way” they had printed something that looked like that which further backed up my conclusions. Now let’s start to put the pieces of the puzzle together. The KOS image security border pattern does not match any known specimen from any known year. It does not match the pre-2006 nor does it match the post-2006 certificate patterns. The placement of the text in all of the pre-2006 and post-2006 certificates are almost identical pixel location matches while the image’s text placement does not match any known specimen from any known year. The shape and kerning of the fonts used in the 2006 through 2008 certificates are identical while the shape and kerning of the fonts used in the image does not match any known specimen. The KOS image shows clear signs of tampering such as the mismatch in RGB and error levels, visible indications of the previous location of the erased security border, easily detectable patterns of repeating flaws around the new security border, EXIF data that says the image was last saved with Photoshop CS3 for Macintosh, and finally a technician from Hawaii who confirms it just looks wrong.
    There are two obvious scenarios used to create the image that can be ascertained from evidence. Either a real COLB was scanned into Photoshop and digitally edited or a real COLB was first scanned to obtain the graphic layout then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner. After rescanning the blank page to a separate image the graphics from the previously obtained scan could then be easily applied to the blank scan after some editing and rebuilding. It would also explain why date stamp bleeds through the paper and the various bits of toner located around the image as well as the remnants of the previous location of a security border.
    So as I have been saying repeatedly since I first compared the KOS images to the Decosta image using the same tests and measurements – the image is a horrible forgery.
    Previously at Atlas: FORENSIC EXPERT: "the [birth] certificate is still a horrible forgery"
    Mystery, Clarification and Obfuscation of Obama's Birth Certificate Forgery
    Atlas Tech Expert Declares Obama Birth Certificate ...
    Who died and made him the final word on Obama's ...
    The "Missing" Obama Birth Certificate Seal 6/29/08
    SUCH A LIAR: OBAMA'S FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE 6/26/08
    RELEASE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE! 6/10/08
    ****Must Cite Pamela Geller and link back to Atlas ****(play nice and honest).
    UPDATE: Techdude added this in the comment section:
    ..some folks asked for it...so here are MORE screen shots. I uploaded a few from the 2001 and 2003 COLB tests and the animated gifs showing the fun pulsating kerning differences ala LGF style.
    I assume no one has been able to figure out why the "2007" KOS image manages to have the same placement as a 2003 COLB and not a 2006, 2007, or 2008 COLB yet huh? How about the remnants of the previous border location? Humm...and what about that mis-matching uncentered border with obvious 2 pixel white spaces between the top and bottom headers? Any more novel theories? Space aliens? Right wing conspiracies? Oh I know...it must have all been a "satire" of a real one.
    Decosta error level

    Decosta RGB Heat map


    2003 RGB Heat map

    2007 on KOS animated - kerning differences

    Animated gif - kerning differences

    2003 over 2007


    2007 overlay on Decosta

    UPDATE: Israeli Insider weighs in here
    UPDATE: lol
    UPDATE: ACTION ALERT: ANY ATLAS READERS LIVE IN HAWAII? Reader Henry suggested we check the newspapers around the date of his birth in the vital statics area and see if they list his birth. Local libraries usually have old newspapers on microfiche. Depending on the newspaper, they might list the hopital as well as the time, date, parents. It won't tell us religion, color, Arab or African etc.... but it would verify his birthplace.
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    BORN IN THE USA?
    Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

    Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent


    Posted: January 24, 2011
    8:48 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily

    Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

    Notary seal on Timothy Adams' affidavit

    Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.
    His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.
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    "During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."
    As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.
    "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."

    Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu

    In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.
    "My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."
    Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."
    "We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."
    (Story continues below)





    In 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu.
    After WND's report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.

    Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie

    In 2010, then-candidate for governor Neil Abercrombie was involved in an Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.
    As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.
    The White House has still not confirmed it wrote or sent the letter.
    Moreover, Adams claims, the Hawaii government was engaged in a cover-up designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.
    In the affidavit Adams swears, "During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth."
    Adams further swears his supervisors told him to quit asking about Obama's birth records.
    "During the course of my employment," Adams states in the affidavit, "I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama's Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama."
    "I can go get my long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Adams told WND. "And so I don't understand, this whole controversy should have been settled three or four years ago in about five minutes."
    Nor does Adams feel the short-form Certification of Live Birth is authoritative documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.
    "My basic assumption is that he wasn't born there," Adams said. "Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."
    WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person request at the Hawaii Department of Health for a registration of a Hawaii birth, even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.
    In the past few days, Abercrombie has represented that there is a registration of Obama's birth in the state archives.
    But the state registration of birth in 1961 theoretically could prove only that the grandparents had registered Obama's birth, even if Obama was not born in Hawaii.
    Similarly, the newspaper announcements of baby Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since the newspaper announcements could have been triggered by the grandparents appearing in-person to register baby Obama as a Hawaiian birth, even if the baby was born elsewhere.
    WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived.
    WND has also reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu at an 11th Avenue address, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Ann Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.
    Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.
    It's possible the yet-undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering baby Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form record exists.
    WND has confirmed with Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu, that Adams was indeed working in their elections offices during the last presidential election.
    "We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," Takahashi told WND.
    Adams told WND he supported Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential election campaign.
    He described himself as a libertarian who wants less government spending, fewer laws that restrict personal freedoms, more adherences to the Constitution and an end to foreign wars.
    "I'm interested in individual liberty and upholding the Constitution," he said. "I want to get American troops out from foreign countries, and I want to see the federal budget balanced."
    He said he might be inclined to support former-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee or former-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2012 to run against President Obama, but he has not yet made up his mind.
    "It depends on how fiscally conservative Huckabee and Romney turn out to be on economics," he said. "But from what I know right now, they would probably be better than Obama."


    Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1KpVWA3T6
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    This is about the first release of an alleged certificate - that was later shown to have been created by the DailyKos people (and moveon.org)





    Friday, August 8, 2008

    Proof Barack Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery.


    This is an exclusive exposing the Barack Obama birth certificate as an absolute forgery and it has been in plain sight all along.
    There can not be any Obamaniacs descending on sites claiming the experts are wrong, pixels are wrong or any other way of muddying the waters as the 1000 points of darkness have been carrying out their marching orders.

    Below is a cut out of one part of the published Barack Obama birth certificate which exposes the fraud and forgery of this document. This is the certified certificate from Barack Obama himself.



    What has been staring everyone in the face is the effects of political correctness and no one has seen it. The beauty of this liberal political correctness is that the person who forged this document got caught in their own trap of affirmative action hyphenated Americans.

    Look closely at Stanley Ann Dunham's race. Caucasian.

    Now look closely at Barack Hussein Obama sr's race. It is listed as African.
    That doesn't seem all that interesting and no one has noticed it until one looks that this is an official document filed in August 1961.

    Most people on the internet and blogging have no sense of history nor in the use of words and it is this lack of sense which is going to bite whoever forged this document.


    Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was "negroe". This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
    It was not until the Black Revolution when negroe or negro became a foul description in the late 1960's and then "black" was demanded by this group to describe them.
    It was not until the late 1970's when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980's the term "African" to describe all blacks.

    Whoever forged this birth certificate was not utilizing the 1960's terminology which a black person would be listed as. They fell instead into a warped year 2000 politically correct description of "African".

    This is absolutely telling as if you looked at birth records in Prussia centuries ago, those people would be termed Prussian, Bavarian etc... as Germany did not yet exist as a termonology for nation state. If someone was listed as German in 1700, it would be glaring forgery just like the Obama forgery stuns the eyes once one knows what they are looking at.

    One could research the certificates in Hawaii for absolutes, but considering as has been warned in this blog that Hawaii is a Democratic state, has Democratic officials who have been hemming and hawing about this certificate and only upon precise questioning do they start backing down as it means their jobs and prison time if they certify a forgery as real and this is Democratic transplanted son Barack Obama carrying on this charade, could one ever get a clear answer from them unless one looked at numbers of birth certificates to precisely learn how Hawaii was labeling "blacks".
    If this case it is African, then why is not Stanley Ann Dunham labeled correctly North American after her continent? She though is labeled correctly as caucasian as that is exactly as she is.

    If one still today searches enough death certificates in the 50 United States, you will find listed on them the term NEGRO. Now that is over 40 years since 1961 in Barack Obama's birth and political correctness has not reached completely into the coroner's records.
    That fact is scientific and if it still exists today as proof it certainly is the proof from before 1900 in America and past 1960 that all blacks were noted as "negroe" or "negro" on all public records from birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports, driver's licenses to death certificates.

    Whoever forged the Barack Obama birth certificate got caught in Mr. Obama's own political correctness.
    In 1961 America, blacks were negroes and not Africans no matter if they came from Africa or not.
    If one cares to examine the Negroe Leagues in baseball where blacks were to "pass" as Cubans to the United Negroe College Fund to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, there was no African at all in any terminology.
    One was negroe on legal documents and "colored" in common usage.

    No pixels in this. No questioning borders and no questions about the researcher's expertise as negroe is American history and scientific fact just like whoever forged the Obama birth certificate got caught in political correctness in not being able to use a term they were trained to avoid.

    That is a fact. This birth certificate is a fake.
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