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    President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has “Layers”

    Posted by Joe Brooks on Apr 27, 2011 in Shocking Video | 105 comments
    When the PDF file given from WhiteHouse.gov is opened in Adobe Illustrator it shows up in different layers.
    Our analysis of the latest controversy: The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form, and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable.
    Previously from BNO News: Obama releases long form birth certificate to end debate
    National Review:
    The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
    What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.
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    Ten suspicious things about Obama’s birth certificate

    10. It’s headed “President Obama’s Birth Certificate”
    9. The attending physician’s name is listed as “Dr. Demento”
    8. The address given for Obama’s mother is actually that of Jack Lord’s house
    7. It’s scratch-’n’-sniff
    6. The street name, “Kalanianole,” is Hawaiian for “take this, combover boy!”
    5. It’s printed on the back of an 8” X 10” of Tom Selleck
    4. Curiously enough, both the doctor and local registrar were old poker buddies of Jack Ruby
    3. His mother’s occupation is listed as “some kind of academic social-science bullsh*t”
    2. It turns out that doctor died under mysterious circumstances last year at the age of 106
    1. Obama’s father? Don Ho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    BORN IN THE USA?
    Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate

    Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent

    This too is highly suspicious...

    Something just isn't adding up here.

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    Yes, it’s true: The birth certificate is built in layers. And there’s an explanation.

    I’m not a birther, but this is interesting from a tech point of view. It is true that the PDF birth certificate released by the WH today is not a single image doc, but is a layered construction. Here’s what I mean by that. Below is a series of screen shots in Adobe Illustrator CS4. Keep your eye on the Layers window over on the right. Here’s the document in Illustrator, with no layers twirled down to open them up. (You can click on all of the following images to enlarge them.)

    And here it is, with the top level group twirled open. Viola, there are now a whole lotta layers visible for manipulation.

    Let’s turn one off and see the results. You turn them off by clicking on the eye next to them. No eye, no see the layer.

    Hm. Where’d all the green go? It’s invisible now, because turning that layer near the bottom off made it so. Click in that now empty box and the green reappears. Now let’s take a look at another layer and turn off the one above the green layer we just played with.

    Where did all that text go? It’s invisible now too. But see the first image, with everything turned on.
    Maybe this is what Trump’s people in Hawaii found that was so incredible. The problem is, it’s not too hard to figure out what’s going on. If you scan a doc with Optical Character Recognition (OCR) turned on, Adobe Acrobat is capable of taking a scanned doc and breaking it out into layers automatically. That’s what seems to have happened here. There are still one or two funky anomalies, like the text in box 17a getting split into two separate layers and the date in 20 getting its own, but OCR is an imperfect beast and stuff like that happens. The larger question seems to be settled on how the cert got broken out into layers: Adobe did it.
    Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuh!
    Now, there are at least 50 other ways to get the country to leave Obama. Let’s talk about them.
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    Rick, you're way off base. the challenge still stands if you wanna go there with me. But so that I can continue to respond to this thread in a scientific and skeptical manner, i'm not going to indulge in continuing that conversation. I will leave it with this:

    If you cannot read my responses and accept that I showed how you lumped me in with "people like you playing games with the American public." then there's no reason for debating that topic (which is crap anyway because i'm trying to focus on facts, not vitriol). I'm not sure how this conversation got here because in no way shape or form have I been emotional about any of this.

    That being said, there are people in our office today scanning UN FAKED documents into PDF and opening it with Adobe Illustrator and there are definitely weird things that happen to the document. If they will allow me I will be happy to post the results. This does NOT, however, FULLY disprove the document is NOT fake. It DOES, however, prove that the document COULD BE real.

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    By the way... to add one more little piece to the puzzle, the image that was up yesterday on the White House site is no longer there. A new, unlayered image is now present.

    LMAO

    No, there's no collusion or anything here to worry about. Obama and his White House are the most trustworthy in history.


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    Obama Gaslights the American People

    I will be on Eric Bolling's show on FOX Business tonight to discuss the release of Obama's birth certificate.
    Why is Obama gaslighting the American people? Why is he toying with, gaming the American people? I broke the story of the altered COLB back in June and July of 2008 -- the COLB he posted to his farcically-titled blog, "Fight the Smears," was an altered document. He subsequently admitted to dual citizenship for close to half his life. The question was a real one, and the American people have a right to know who and what is serving them at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    We owe Trump a debt of gratitude.
    Will Obama now explain how he came to Khalid al-Mansour?
    Percy Sutton, NYC political icon in the African American community and lawyer for Malcom X, told a NY 1 news reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited a favor and a recommendation on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama in order to secure Barack's entry into Harvard. Sutton was approached by Mansour on Obama's behalf, to secure (procure?) Barack's admission into Harvard from the second college, Occcidental.
    How did Obama come to Mansour and Saudi Prince Waleed back in 70s/80s?
    Khalid al Mansour is a vile antisemite, extremist Muslim and high level adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. How did Obama come to Khalid at such a tender young age? He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii and then went on to a drug fueled couple of years at Occidental College, where he performed poorly. How did he come to have rabid hatemonger Khalid al-Mansour sponsor him?
    And why is the press so protective and apoplectic over this issue? The press took Bush's documents under a microscope, and when they didn't find anything, the "Gold Standard" of Journalism's Dan Rather used forged documents to attack President Bush's military service in a malevolent attempt derail Bush's presidential election campaign. The malice by the media was undeniable. CBS's Rather and Mapes knew that Bush had, in fact, volunteered to go to Vietnam.
    The stark-raving madness of the media is made plain in the Obama document scandal and the CBS Bush document crime.
    Where are Obama's ...........
    Occidental College records

    Columbia College records

    Columbia Thesis paper

    Harvard College records

    Selective Service Registration

    Medical records

    Illinois State Senate records

    Illinois State Senate schedule

    Law practice client list

    Harvard Law Review articles that were published

    University of Chicago scholarly articles

    Record of baptism
    I hope that Trump can get to the bottom of this void in Obama's mysterious past.
    UPDATE: Trump Appeal: Un-GOP-Like Articulateness Thomas Sowell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
    [/b][/color][/color][/font]This too is highly suspicious...

    Something just isn't adding up here.
    I don't see anything suspicious. Nothing but a bunch of nutcases making a molehill out of an ant hill.

    I mean, aren't YOU convinced this is real??????
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    I've seen a lot of people "in the know" talking about how this released certificate is just odd. A couple quotes A couple quotes I've come across on ARFCOM:
    I did the same thing. We have a high-dollar publishing printer. I printed out an immaculate copy of the Whitehouse cert, and scanned it on our very expensive scanner (which will try to discern text.) It came out unable to separate the text, and in one layer.

    Again... in my mind the document is 100% faked. The million dollar question is why they released such an obvious fraud. It was no doubt on purpose.
    I am a Technical Coordinator and Prepress Specialist for a large commercial printer.I downloaded the file and can confirm the layers.

    Two other things I see in the file that are odd.

    1. The background is at a different resolution than the layers. The background layer is 150 DPI the others are 300DPI. I have limited experience with OCR scanners but my experience from one scanned document would be one resolution value.
    Seeing two values would make me believe it was assembled.

    2. The PDF has a created and modified date of today at 5:09:24 AM on a MAC using a Quartz engine meaning it was saved by selecting "print" than printing it as a PDF file.

    Might not mean anything but thought I would share.
    Negative, Ghostrider. This is very weird. I work with images, Photoshop, llustrator, PDFs and scans on a daily basis, and I really don't know what to make of this PDF file. 13 years as a graphic designer and I've never seen one like it. The "text" layer isn't text at all, but just a separate bitmap layer i.e. NOT OCR text.

    I'm pretty much at a loss as to what to think about this thing. It's either some weird technical issue I'm not familiar with, like some sort of proprietary scanning software used to scan old microfiche and "lift" the text from the background, or we are getting played. I suspect it's more of a technical issue- one that I'm not familiar with.

    ...

    I have worked full-time as a graphic designer for 13 years, and I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, PDFs and scanned images just about every day every day. I also despise everything that Obama and others of his ilk stand for. That said, I downloaded the birth cert. and took a look in Illustrator.

    Here's my take:
    1. Yes, it's very odd to me that most of the text is bitmapped, but on its own layer... but not all of it.
    2. Yes, there are a number of unused frames & boxes- those also are unusual to me
    3. That said, my thought is that this PDF is the result of a scanned image, albeit a weird one. It doesn't look like any PDF I've ever seen i.e. the "layered" text is bitmapped, not the result of OCR. I'm wondering if there is some other type of proprietary scanning software out there for this type of thing. I just don't know.
    4. Based on the above, if this were an attempted forgery, it is an abysmal failure of one. It has so many weird technical anomalies on it that I just can't believe it's a fake. Even someone with a rudimentary knowledge of scanning, Photoshop and raster images would have attempted the forgery and output the final image as a flattened file, not this weird layered PDF hybrid thing.

    In my opinion, it's simply too weird to be a forgery. That doesn't change the fact that Obama is a marxist with a hidden past, hell-bent on ruining this country.
    True, I am a composition artist / illustrator and that is some of the worst work I have seen in a long time. Whoever made that or posted it either did that on purpose or is the word graphic artist ever. If you do not merge layers in Photoshop or Illustrator you can export a PDF document then bring it back in to either program and view the layers. File types like .tiff or .PDF retain the layer information such as color value and transparency along with pixels these are the foundation of any digital image. Just to be clear I'm not saying that he dose not have a BC, but I am saying that that one is not a scanned original.
    I opened it in Illustrator, have done extensive work in illustrator making ads and an image would NEVER be separated into layers like this unless you made it to. I'm not saying it's fake but damn that is very weird.
    I scan millions of documents a year, and I agree that the document shown in the video is definitely some kind of horrific creation...but I still can't fully figure out the angle on releasing such a poor document (poor as in quality)...
    In the words of Senator Vreenak...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    By the way... to add one more little piece to the puzzle, the image that was up yesterday on the White House site is no longer there. A new, unlayered image is now present.

    LMAO

    No, there's no collusion or anything here to worry about. Obama and his White House are the most trustworthy in history.


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    Should be easy enough to determine if they replaced it. Compare the MD5 hash of one downloaded when it was first replelased and the one out there now.

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    Well... All I can say is, this has obviously centered the Left and Lefted the Right. Or something.

    Obviously one member here believes with all his heart and soul Obama would never lie to us and thinks that because this shit pisses me off coming out of the White House, where there should be NO QUESTION OF INTEGRITY that something is obviously wrong with ME and not Obama.

    If I'm forced to prove my own loyalty and integrity every stinking God Damned Day of my life for the last thirty years to the people who are running this country, then by GOD they owe me exactly the same respect.

    I expect that the men and women elected to offices in this country, in particular those of the Senate, House of Representatives and the Office of President are ABOVE REPROACH as should be their staffs. ABOVE REPROACH means that you prove your loyalty to this country in the same exact manner as I've had to do over the years, and MAINTAIN IT by not lying constantly.

    As far as I am concerned Joe Biden is the real President of this country now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
    Should be easy enough to determine if they replaced it. Compare the MD5 hash of one downloaded when it was first replelased and the one out there now.
    I don't have to, someone else has already done that job.

    The images are different now.

    Look at your own information you posted a bit ago.

    The original image was in layers - and several others independently of the people I've spoken to in person - have verified this.

    The new one was rescanned as some kind of other image.

    I am not bothering to go recheck the work of people who are experts on this. I'm not an expert on optical scanning. I only know what I can see in examples and what I saw with my own eyes.
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    Widow says husband is doctor on Obama certificate





    J. Scott Applewhite This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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    Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:33 am | Updated: 12:02 pm, Thu Apr 28, 2011.
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    Ivalee Sinclair learned about her husband's brush with history at the same time as the rest of the world. On Wednesday, the widow of Honolulu obstetrician David Sinclair printed a copy of President Barack Obama's full birth certificate from the Internet, and said she recognized the familiar left-handed cursive on the document.


    "It's my husband's signature," she said referring to the name signed below that of Obama's mother in the spot for "signature of attendant."


    Obama released the birth certificate in response to long-running questions about whether he was actually born in the United States and eligible to be president.


    Sinclair, who died in 2003 at 81, had an obstetrics and gynecology practice in Honolulu and delivered babies all over Hawaii when Obama was born in 1961, said his son Karl Sinclair, 55, of Kailua.


    Relatives said that while they previously never made the connection, looking back it makes sense that Sinclair delivered Obama because there were few obstetricians in Honolulu at the time. His six children grew up accustomed to him leaving home at all hours and holidays to deliver babies.


    The family first heard about Sinclair's connection to Obama because one of their relatives was awake at 3 a.m. watching the news and saw the signature, said Dawn Yoshimura-Sinclair, who is married to another Sinclair son, Brian Sinclair.


    "We can attest to the fact that it is indeed dad's signature," Yoshimura-Sinclair said. "It's not a common name over here. There's no confusion that it was dad."


    Ivalee Sinclair said her husband never discussed his patients and that delivering a black child born to a white mother wouldn't be a detail he would focus on.


    "He never would have brought anything like that up," she said. "He delivered a lot of children. I have no idea how many."


    Born in Portland, Ore., Sinclair moved to Hawaii at 15 because his father was an engineer who helped build Wilson tunnel on Oahu. The doctor joined the military after hearing the Pearl Harbor bombing from his front lawn, Ivalee Sinclair said. He was an Army pilot and witnessed so much death during the war that he became a doctor so he could have a career focusing on giving life.


    "I think he became a doctor because he was concerned about all the people who died in the war," his widow said. "I think he wanted to do something to make up for that."


    Ivalee Sinclair met her future husband during trigonometry class at the University of Hawaii, where he enrolled after the war. He later went to medical school at the University of California at San Francisco, where he completed his residency.


    Sinclair returned to Honolulu with his wife and children in 1960. He delivered babies mostly at the hospital now known as Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, just a couple miles from his home and the one listed as Obama's place of birth.


    The Sinclair sons said they imagine their father would be thrilled that one of the babies he delivered grew up to be president.


    "I'm just honored and proud of my father," Karl Sinclair said.


    "I think it's great," said Brian Sinclair, who followed his father into medicine.



    "Hawaii was a very small place back then so I guess I'm not surprised."


    Brian Sinclair graduated from the same high school as Obama but didn't know him personally.


    The Sinclair family includes Obama supporters and those who didn't vote for him. They hope the birth certificate will end the speculation over Obama.


    "To me, the birth certificate doesn't lie," Karl Sinclair said. "I think that should put everything to bed."
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    Blogger Claims to Have Created Fake Obama Birth Certificate to “Punk” the “Birthers”




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    An anonymous blogger on the Fearless Blogging site claims to have created the latest Obama Kenyan birth certificate. The allegedly forged document was recently used by attorney Orly Taitz in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California in a case on behalf of Alan Keyes and others claiming Obama is not born in the United States and is not legally entitled to be president.
    [IMG]http://www.********.com/images/fake.jpg[/IMG]
    The blogger claims to have used cotton business paper, an inkjet printer, a 1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter and other items to create the document. “Punkin’ the Birthers,” the blogger writes, “Priceless.”
    WorldNetDaily reports that the suspect document was deemed inadmissible in court. “According to the OCRegister, the online site for the Orange County newspaper, a federal magistrate [on Friday] … threw out a request made to the court regarding the document,” WND writes. “The report said Magistrate Arthur Nakazato concluded the document was improperly filed, leaving open the door for it to be refiled.”
    Forging an official document is punishable crime and that is probably why the blogger who posted the allegedly fake document — to “punk” the “birthers” — has decided to remain anonymous.
    The blogger’s anonymity may hide another possibility — the fake document was planted by Obama operatives or fellow traveler in an effort to further discredit the growing demand that Obama release his birth certificate and finally put the issue to rest.
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    Evidence Mounting against Obama's "Birth Certificate"
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    The evidence against the authenticity of the document produced by the White House as Obama's Birth Certificate seems to be mounting rapidly. I'm sure there are many other sites, but here is just one.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer...

    I wonder what Governor Abercrombe has been doing lately?
    How long will this document be up on the White House site before they pull it down?
    What excuse will they make now as to the editing of this document?
    Who will take the fall?

    And for him to suggest that the matter was over and that any further questions would be an "insult" just boggles the mind! How arrogant! He has reacted like Nixon, pretending that he couldn't be bothered by these trivialities, when it's obvious that he is and always has been extremely concerned, contrary to what the press would have us believe.. Perhaps even they will begin to see that there's something fishy going on.

    Is this the result of prayer?


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    Fox Business: Alan Keyes Discusses Natural Born Citizen Issue - 4/21/11
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    Posted 2011-04-22 12:33 AM (#52317) By: EternalVigilance



    Alan Keyes can think on his feet ... Fox thought they could out Fox and spin for their 'Fox Business' agendas ... thank you Alan for defending our constitution.

    Edited by forJustice 2011-04-22 6:55 AM


    Posted 2011-04-22 6:53 AM (#52323 - in reply to #52317) By: forJustice
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