2012: So ends the Mayan Calendar, as does the world?

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[American Patriot]

Why NASA is saying 'we told you so' about doomsday hype ... a week early

A NASA video explains why "The World Didn't End Yesterday" ... more than a week before the date that's been hyped as a purported doomsday.

By Alan Boyle

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NASA's latest video debunking doomsday hype comes from the future — to be precise, from Dec. 22, one day after the expected peak for worries that the end of an ancient Maya calendar cycle will signal the end of the world as well. Some might think that the video, titled "The World Didn't End Yesterday," was prematurely released. But it wasn't: The advance word about the non-apocalypse is a key part of the space agency's plan.
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"The teaser for the video explains everything: 'NASA is so confident that the world is not coming to an end on Dec. 21, that they have already released a video for the day after,'" Tony Phillips, the writer and editor behind the NASA Science website as well as SpaceWeather.com, told NBC News in an email.
Phillips says the "day after" angle was his idea.
"I felt it was a lighter and more creative way to approach the topic than some of the other treatments we've seen," he wrote. "Some people have been confused by it, but not all. The unorthodox approach is definitely a conversation-starter, which was our goal all along."
Bashing the bunkum
As the 12-21-12 date approaches, NASA has been taking the lead in telling people that the connection between the Maya calendar and doomsday fears is pure bunkum. By some accounts, a grand 5,125-year cycle comes to an end on Dec. 21, but this year, archaeologists found that the Maya calendar counting system goes beyond 2012, just as our own calendar recycles itself after Dec. 31. For what it's worth, there's even some question whether Dec. 21 is the right date for the Maya calendar turnover.
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The Maya "Long Count" calendar and its connection to 2012 has long been a topic of controversy.


Along the way, the Maya hype has gotten mixed up with other end-of-the-world memes, ranging from monster solar storms to the onset of a threatening Planet X. There's a germ of truth behind some of the memes. For example, the sun really is heading toward the peak of its 11-year activity cycle, but solar maximum won't cause the end of the world. In fact, Phillips has said the upcoming solar max could be "the weakest of the Space Age." Meanwhile, our planet is indeed heading toward a rough alignment with the sun and the galactic center on Dec. 21 — but that alignment happens every year at this time, due to the winter solstice.
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NASA has been spending a lot of time lately separating the scientific fact from the scary fiction. Last month, the space agency put together a Web page that addresses the frequently asked questions about the 2012 hype, with links to even more information about topics ranging from polar shifts to supernovae and super volcanoes. This may sound like overkill, but it's not: Earlier this year, an international opinion survey conducted by Ipsos for Reuters found that 14 percent of the respondents believe the world will come to an end during their lifetime — and 10 percent said they were worried that the Maya calendar change-over would mark the end of the world.
What to tell your kids
All this doomsday hype can be particularly troubling for kids, who tend to look to the grown-ups for a reality check. Do your children need some reassurance? These tips from Kids.gov, the U.S. government's Web portal for the younger set, could come in handy:

• Take their fears seriously. Dismissing a fear with a quick "don't be silly comment" or brushing it aside by telling them not to worry is not going to help. If your children express a fear, take time to sit down and discuss it. This sends the message that you are really listening and that your kids can always come to you and they will be taken seriously.
• Educate yourself about the topic of their fears. This allows you to speak confidently about the subject and give you the facts when discussing a rumor.
• Help your child research the rumor. If your child heard the rumor at school or saw something scary on the Internet, sit down with him at the computer and help him to conduct his own research. Discuss the importance of finding credible sources for information and guide him to legitimate, authoritative resources.
• Take the fear off their plate. For younger children, sit down to discuss the child's fear and then tell them, "OK, from now on I will worry about this for you. You don’t have to worry about this anymore. I’ll look into it and I will let you know what I find out." Make sure to check back with your child once you have researched the topic. Anticipate any questions he may have and plan your responses.

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Do you still have concerns about Dec. 21? Are you hearing the Maya hype from your friends? How are you handling all this? Feel free to weigh in with your comments below, and check back next week for our continuing coverage of the doomsday buzz. In the meantime, review our coverage of last year's Rapture rigmarole to get an advance look at how this is all likely to go down.

[American Patriot]

How is the world going to end? With a shooting spree in a kindergarten class, that's how.


Mayan apocalypse? Doomsday? Asteroid? How the world will end

By John Brandon
Published December 17, 2012
FoxNews.com

Wondering what could cause the Mayan Apocalypse? Just look up at the stars.


For years, conspiracy theorists, numerologists, and armchair prophets have predicted the end of the world will take place on December 21, 2012. They point to several apocalyptic events: a long-period comet hurtling toward Earth, or a massive solar storm that causes complete power grid failure.
And they take the stories seriously. Rob Skelton, who runs Survive2012.com and has studied a possible Mayan doomsday event for 15 years, says there is a reason to be concerned. For the long-period comet, he admits we would normally have spotted one by now -- unless it had gone dark and lost its reflective ice. For the solar storms, he says the Mayans could have found a pattern in low-latitude auroras and predicted a coming disaster.
“Both are only predictable via periods of observation longer than the modern scientific era,” he told FoxNews.com. “All I’ve done is find a reason why it could happen this December.”
According to Skelton, a solar storm could wreak havoc in the U.S., knocking out the power grid for months. The U.S. relies on the grid to keep nuclear power plants safe, run factories, and communicate between fire and police forces. Without this key infrastructure, there will be mass pandemonium and destruction, he said.
But will these events happen on December 21? That’s extremely unlikely, says one NASA scientist.
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“This is purely an Internet phenomena,” said David Morrison, an astrobiologist at NASA. Comets that cause destruction on Earth are extremely rare – they could happen once every 500 million years.

'There are no objects out there that will impact the Earth.'

- David Morrison, an astrobiologist at NASA

Mysterious objects have been known to strike planets in the past. In 1994, a series of comets struck Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system. Most scientists agree that solar storms are relatively common events and can cause electrical disruptions. And comets do tend to be harder to track in our solar system until they pass by the sun. But nothing like that is imminent, Morrison said.
“There are no objects out there that will impact the Earth,” he told FoxNews.com.
As for the massive solar storms, Morrison says they do happen. “The power does go out, and that’s not a nice thing and it means people are not happy. But that doesn’t kill millions.” In most cases, even with a major outage, it can take weeks at most, not month, to regain power, he said.
“Solar storms are relatively common events,” agreed Chris De Pree, a professor at Agnes Scott College and author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Astronomy. “Other than disrupting communications and putting on a great boreal light show, the long term effects would probably not be great.”
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NASA operates the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) to track comets and asteroids, and also runs the Spaceguard Survey, a ten-year project intended to track near-Earth objects in our solar system. There are no hidden secrets, De Pree said: NASA publishes the report online.
About those comets? Morrison says comets are well-known to have dark surfaces. NASA still tracks them, as well as asteroids – which are “dark as a lump of coal.”
Morrison is most skeptical about the Mayan predictions. “There is nothing special about that date,” he said. “The Mayans never predicted anything will happen. There are thousands of people who run Web sites and make YouTube videos about catastrophes who are not scientists.”
He says the Mayan calendar works a bit like our own calendar: When you reach the end, you flip over a page and start a new calendar. What will the doomsday predictors turn to next? That’s hard to say, but history has shown that there will be yet another catastrophic event to worry about.
“Claims about the end of the world are a time-honored way to sell things,” De Pree said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/...#ixzz2FL79zEKE

[American Patriot]

Mayan apocalypse: 93 'doomsday rumour-mongers' arrested in China

Nearly 100 people have been arrested in China as part of a "pre-Apocalypse" crackdown on doomsday rumour-mongers.

A survival pod built for the end of the world Photo: Ed Jones/AFP/Getty Images








By Tom Phillips, Shanghai

5:01PM GMT 17 Dec 2012

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According reports in China's state media at least 93 people have been arrested nationwide in the lead up to December 21, which will mark the end of the 5,125-year "Long Count" Mayan calendar and, according to some, the end of the world.

The Global Times reported on Monday that 37 "cult" members had been arrested in China's Qinghai province for "brainwashing" people "into believing the end of the world is near."

A police source accused the group of predicting that "the sun will not shine and electricity will not work for three days beginning on December 21".

One line from a text message that was allegedly being spread by the group, reads: "Great tsunamis and earthquakes are about to happen around the world." Meanwhile thirty-four people were arrested in Fujian province and four in Chongqing. State news agency Xinhua said two of those men had been caught using a loudspeaker to "proclaim the end of the world".

There were also arrests in Shaanxi and Hubei provinces, state media said.

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"Police said local residents should abide by the law and refrain from spreading doomsday rumours," Xinhua reported. "Punishments will be given to those who disseminate rumours in order to cause trouble, defraud others or disturb social order." Recent days have seen Chinese newspapers fill with Doomsday-related stories, including reports of "unrest and panic-buying".
One report claimed shops had sold-out of candles and matches in one corner of Sichuan province, as residents braced themselves for a possible calamity.
Claims emerged on Monday that a man who injured 23 children during a frenzied knife attack on their school last Friday may have been "psychologically affected" by doomsday rumours.
Facing growing online chatter about December 21, authorities have sprung into action, carrying out a series of arrests and urging people to report those peddling rumours using a special telephone hotline.
Newspaper editors have brought in experts to publicly refute claims that the world is nearing its end.
"It's a normal, natural event," Yang Guang, a Chinese astronomer, told Xinhua.
Speaking to Hong Kong's South China Morning Post, Sun Xiaochun, a top professor from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said: "The event will be as destructive as when we throw an old table calendar into the rubbish can at the end of the year."
Friday, December 21 will mark the end of one of three ancient Mayan calendars. The so-called Mayan “long count calendar” comes to a close on Friday, some 5,125 years after it was started, triggering claims in some quarters that the world could come to an abrupt end.
But Friday is just one of hundreds of dates for which the Apocalypse has been marked down. Despite nervousness in some corners of China, most people are unconvinced.
“Forget about the end of the world,” commentator Rong Xiaoqing instructed her readers in the Global Times. “Work a little toward saving the current one.”

[American Patriot]

Rumor-mongering, a crime coming to America near you.... lol

[Malsua]

Could you imagine being in that rodent ball during a Tsunami? Your guts would be ejected out through your mouth and ass.

[American Patriot]

China cracks down on 'Doomsday cult'

updated 9:12 AM EST, Tue December 18, 2012


The 12th-century Dresden Codex, one of four Mayan manuscripts at the source of doomsday predictions.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Police: Members of a cult arrested in China for spreading 'doomsday rumors'
• Relates to Mayan prophecy about the world ending on December 21, 2012
• Banners, discs, slogans, books and printing machines were seized by police

Read a version of this story in Arabic.
(CNN) -- Members of a fringe Christian group in China have been rounded up for spreading rumors of an impending apocalypse, pegged to the Mayan calendar.
Known as the "Almighty God" cult, the group latched on to the Mayan doomsday scenario to predict the sun will not shine and electricity will not work for three days beginning on December 21, an official with the Department of Public Security in the northwest province of Qinghai told CNN.
Group members would spread doomsday rumors door-to-door or at public venues and claimed only they could save people's lives, according to authorities.
What a year for China in 2012 -- what about next year?
The state-run Xinhua news agency reported that almost 100 people have been arrested so far, including 37 in Qinghai and 34 in Fujian province in the east of the country.
A large number of banners, discs, slogans, books and printing machines were seized by police, Xinhua said.
According to Xinhua, the cult was established in 1990 in central China and requires its members to surrender their property to the group.
December 21, 2012, is the endpoint of a more than 5,000-year Great Cycle marked on the "Long Count" calendar of the Mayans -- an ancient native American civilization.
Some say this date marks the end of the world, while other suggest it marks the beginning of a new era.

[American Patriot]

So, I was sitting here thinking about the world ending tomorrow.... and I was wondering about what time that will happen. Google knows everything!

What Time Will The World End On December 21, 2012, The Mayan Apocalypse?

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BY IBTimes Staff Reporter | December 20 2012 12:09 PM


While NASA said the world will not end on Friday, Dec. 21, 2012, many are still wondering at exactly what time the alleged doomsday is slated to happen -- in case NASA is wrong.



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Scientists debunked the five popular Mayan apocalypse myths of doomsday, claiming the world will not end on Friday, Dec. 21, 2012.






Despite popular belief, the Mayan apocalypse is not scheduled to occur at midnight on Friday, but rather is pegged for the winter solstice.
The winter solstice, also known as the December solstice, takes place when the sun reaches its southern-most declination of -23.5 degrees. At this time, areas on the Earth above 66.5 degrees north latitude (Arctic Polar Circle) will be in darkness while places below 66.5 degrees south (Antarctic Polar Circle) will have 24 hours of daylight. In 2012, this will happen at 11:12 a.m. Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) or 6:12 a.m. EST.
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Meanwhile, NASA said the world will definitely not end on Friday and that the doomsday predictions are patently false.
"There is no true issue here," NASA astrobiologist David Morrison said. "This is just a manufactured fantasy."
Fears of the alleged apocalypse have apparently stemmed from misinterpretations of the Mayan calendar, which holds that the winter solstice this year will signal the end of a 400-year-cycle of creation called the 13th b'ak'tun. At that point, according to Mayan lore, a cosmic event is supposed to occur; out of this, some have concluded (a bit breathlessly) that an apocalypse will follow -- and that apocalypse will mean the end of life.
NASA said there are no asteroids, rogue planets or solar flares that could hit and threaten life on Earth in December.
NASA also released a press release entitled "Why The World Didn't End Yesterday," which was intended for publication on Dec. 22.

[American Patriot]

Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:43 PM

Will the world end Friday?
Scholars say Mayan calendar misunderstood

By Corey Friedman | Times Online Editor


Stockpiling bottled water, batteries and baked beans for the end of the world? Scholars say you’ll have to wait a little longer.

Doomsday myths suggesting a sudden apocalypse on Friday are based on a misunderstanding of the ancient Mayan calendar, East Carolina University anthropology professor Charles R. Ewen said.

Many point to Dec. 21, 2012 being the ancient calendar’s final day as proof of impending doom, but Ewen explained that the date merely marks the end of a ritual cycle known as the long-count calendar.

“I think a lot of people have stretched things to make the 21st of December 2012 to be a terrible date,” Ewen said. “If this hadn’t been the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar, I don’t think we’d be hearing anything about it.”

Ewen studies the archaeology of southeastern North America and the Caribbean, and he taught a class titled “Fantastic Archaeology” at ECU’s Greenville campus this semester that included lessons on the supposed Mayan apocalypse.

Mayan hieroglyphics contain just two references to 2012, and neither predicts an apocalypse, Ewen said. Archaeologists also have found mention of dates after Dec. 21.

“Certainly, the Mayans weren’t expecting an apocalyptic end to anything,” Ewen said. “I think people are having a lot of fun with it. I know folks down in the Yucatan are making a lot of money off of it with the tourist trade.”

While Ewen said Mayans had no expectation that the world would end Friday, the date does signify the end of one era and the beginning of another. Ewen equates it to the year 2000’s significance in the Gregorian calendar as the start of a new millennium.

“At the end of our millennium, you had a larger New Year’s Eve celebration, and it was a time to look back on the last thousand years,” Ewen said. “I think that’s how the Mayans would have looked at it. If anything, it would be celebrated as a time of renewal.”

Scientists and scholars have debunked other myths about the world ending Friday due to collision with another planet or magnetic pole reversal.

While some may legitimately fear the so-called Mayan apocalypse, Ewen said “doomsday preppers” will use any justification they can find to prepare for a cataclysmic natural disaster or impending world war.

“I think they’re just ready for anything, whether it’s 2012 or the zombie apocalypse,” he said. “If you go looking for something, sometimes you find what you’re looking for whether it’s there or not.”

The Wilson Crisis Center, which operates 24-hour crisis, rape and domestic violence hotlines and connects those in need with community resources, has only had one report of someone worried that the world may end Friday.

“I’ve only had one person call and ask,” Executive Director Nancy Sallenger said Wednesday. “I’m not saying there won’t be more tomorrow.”

Sallenger said many callers have expressed sadness and sympathy over last week’s tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn., that claimed 26 lives.

“People are so consumed with the grief, the sorrow for their kids, their parents, their guardians, their school,” she said. “Everybody’s saying God bless America.”

Sallenger said anyone with fear or anxiety over doomsday predictions can call the crisis center at 237-5156 for emotional support.

“We’re here 24-7, so if anybody’s got concerns about Friday being the day, they can call us,” she said. “They’ll always get a human voice.”

Police and first responders aren’t preparing for any cataclysmic events. Wilson police spokesman Sgt. John Slaughter said Friday will be treated like any other December day.

“We’ve still got extra-duty officers who are working,” Slaughter said, “but not for that — it’s for the holidays.”

[American Patriot]

Will the World End on December 21st?

Editor in Chief Robert Naeye goes out on a limb and predicts that the world will not end tomorrow. But with tongue in cheek, let's count the ways the world could end.

With all the hype about the world coming to an end, I thought it would be apropos to ask whether there are any forces that actually could bring the world to an end suddenly on December 21st.

First, let me be clear about one important thing: Despite claims to the contrary by doomsayers and charlatans, the ancient Mayan Long Count calendar does not predict the end of the world. After all, Western calendars don’t predict the end of the world on December 31st, or even at the end of a decade, century, or millennium. The Mayan calendar simply goes into a new cycle on December 22nd, just as Western calendars bring in a new year on January 1st. As S&T contributing editor Ed Krupp eloquently explains, the Mayans themselves predicted events (such as coronations of new kings) after December 21, 2012. If disaster strikes on December 21st, it won’t be because the Mayans predicted it.

But what could end the world on December 21st, or at least wreak mass devastation on a regional or global scale?

Asteroid Impact

A team of scientists propose that a large fragment from the Baptistina breakup eventually slammed into Earth 65 million years ago, triggering a global biological catastrophe. Fortunately, there’s zero chance of such an end-of-the-world asteroid impact tomorrow.
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The only real astronomical disaster that could befall humanity tomorrow is the impact of an asteroid. I checked with planetary scientist and asteroid expert Dan Durda of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, about this threat. Dan points out that any asteroid large enough to destroy civilization, such as the impactor that snuffed out all the dinosaur species (except birds) 65 million years ago, woud have been discovered weeks, months, or years earlier. So there’s zero chance of an end-of-the-world asteroid impact tomorrow.

I then asked Dan about smaller impactors, which are more difficult to find. One of these asteroids exploded in the atmosphere over the Tunguska River region of Siberia on June 30, 1908, flattening 800 square miles of forest. An asteroid of this size exploding over a city could kill a million people almost instantly. “It's plausible that we could have a Tunguska-size object sneak up on us,” he replied. “Don't forget, there are many instances of this sort of object being discovered only after its close approach with Earth.” Impactors of this size hit Earth about once every few centuries on average, but most of them will explode over the ocean or an uninhabited region. So the chances of an asteroid taking out a major city is extremely remote — they’re certainly not something that should cause you to lose sleep.

I sometimes worry about a Tunguska-size asteroid exploding over a nuclear power such as India or Pakistan, triggering an accidental nuclear war that could kill millions of people. This isn’t as crazy as it might seem. If the Tunguska blast had occurred in 1978 instead of 1908, the Soviet government might have mistaken it for an American nuclear first strike, prompting a retaliatory counterattack that might have ended civilization. Fortunately, the U.S. Air Force has satellites that will instantly recognize an incoming asteroid as being extraterrestrial in origin. If a large asteroid exploded anywhere in the world, the USAF will disseminate this information almost immediately, minimizing (although not completely eliminating) the risk of an accidental nuclear war.

Gamma-Ray Burst

This illustration depicts the two jets shooting outward from the center of a collapsing star. Collisions within the jet produce a gamma-ray burst (GRB). The probability of a GRB ending civilization is very low, since the kind of stars that produce GRBs are very rare in the Milky Way.
NASA / Swift / Cruz deWilde.


Doomsayers have sometimes touted other potential sources of astronomical disasters. The main culprits here are supernovae and gamma-ray bursts (GRBs). Fortunately, there are no stars that are about to go supernova within the danger zone (about 50 light-years). And recent research into the nature of stars that produce GRBs have shown that such stars are extremely rare or nonexistent in our Milky Way Galaxy. There’s a much higher probability that I’ll run a sub-2-hour marathon tomorrow than that a GRB will destroy Earth. And believe me, I have no plans to run a marathon tomorrow!

Natural Disasters

It’s certainly possible that a natural disaster emanating from within our own planet will strike civilization tomorrow, but there’s no known natural disaster will end the world. We certainly could have a catastrophic earthquake somewhere in the world, perhaps one that triggers a tsunami. Hundreds of thousands of people could die, but despite the tragedy, this would hardly be the end of the world.

What about a huge volcanic eruption, perhaps one from the Yellowstone supervolcano? Volcanoes can kill on massive scales, but they have one redeeming characteristic: they almost always give clear warning signs of impending eruptions (earthquakes, minor eruptions, gas releases, etc.). I have not heard of any news that any volcano near a populated area is about to unleash a major eruption. And there are certainly no signs of an impending eruption from Yellowstone or any other supervolcano.

The possibility of severe weather always looms over humanity, as we saw last month with Sandy. Such storms can cause widespread physical and economic devastation, but there are no weather events that can “end the world.”

Magnetic Reversal

What about a magnetic reversal? The last time the magnetic poles flipped polarity was 780,000 years ago, and it’s true that Earth is overdue for a reversal. But geologists think such reversals occur gradually, over tens or hundreds of years. It won’t happen over the course of a single day. If you’re still not reassured, consider the fact that Earth has experienced thousands of magnetic reversals during its history, but not a single reversal has been associated with a large extinction event. Our ancestors, Homo erectus, breezed through the previous reversal. A magnetic reversal would disrupt human civilization, but it would not threaten our species’ existence.

Thermonuclear War

Atomic bombing of Nagasaki on August 9, 1945.
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The only possible calamity that could end the world tomorrow would be a thermonuclear war between the United States and Russia. Both nations are armed with thousands of hydrogen bombs, which can be fired from airplanes, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and submarines. A full-scale nuclear war would kill hundreds of millions of people in one day, and the resulting nuclear winter and spread of radiation would devastate the world’s ecology and agriculture, probably killing off most (but not all) of the world’s human population within a few years. The U.S. and Russia don’t exactly have cozy relations, and there’s always a small risk of an accidental trigger (see above), but it’s an extreme understatement to say that both nations have strong incentives to avoid such a catastrophe. The fact that the U.S. and the Soviet Union managed to avoid nuclear war during the Cold War gives me reason for optimism that it will never happen, and the odds of it happening on December 21st are vanishingly small.

So Will The World End?

So to summarize, I will make the following prediction with an extremely high level of confidence: the world will not end on December 21, 2012. My S&T Alan MacRobert can make another prediction with even greater confidence. As he points out, “Newspapers on December 22nd will be filled with news, some of it bad. And some believers are going to say, “Aha, that’s it. We knew it!”

[Phil Fiord]

I awoke this morning, stretched, showered, dressed and came downstairs. Ahh, a Saturday. No end of world here.

[American Patriot]

Interesting.... It's all dark and comfy here. I'm not sure which way is up. Which way is down?

What.... oh, have to pull the blanket off my head. Nevermind.

LOL



Yeah, Phil, we have been around long enough to have lived through several "End of the World" scenarios. Funny thing is, none of them have come true... y2k didn't happen as they thought (even as *I* thought) because we IT pros mitigated the problem to being with. lol

Then again, even if all the computers had crashed at once, we would have lost planes, trains and maybe power substations but there was no nukes launched or space stations falling down.

The Mayans... well, they didn't know crap about it did they?

[Phil Fiord]

What I find of interest is those who proclaim to be Christian, yet followed a misguided interpretation (cult) of a different cultures beliefs (pagan to Christian faith).

As to y2k, I had heard no personal story until recently. A doctor I was speaking with socially told me about his practices issue. They DID crash. He paid well to have his data repaired.

[Luke]

God damned Mayan bastards, now I have to make my final car payment.

[Ryan Ruck]

I do wonder how many people ran up their credit cards and/or took a dump on their boss's desk.

[American Patriot]

I didn't lol

[Phil Fiord]

I figured that if I was wrong and it was going to be the end of the world, at least no car payment and credit card payments. Granted, I owe less than 1k on cards and no idea what on car.

[American Patriot]

I don't owe anything on cars (we have two jeeps and a pick up) nor any thing on credit cards. In fact, we've eliminated 3 credit cards completely and we have one for absolute emergencies only. In fact, I haven't used it in so long I should probably check it to see if it is still active. haha

[Phil Fiord]

Well, the good part about my car is it is worth more than I paid for it originally. Its true. I found that my one year old vehicle is now selling for 8k more than I paid. So, in a pinch, I could just sell it and walk away with a small profit and buy some cheaper car outright.