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    Don't offend any Muslims and muzzle all Americans from any Christian expression.

    ABC: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References

    By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS
    Jan. 18, 2010

    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.



    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to...

    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to the New Testament book of John, Chapter 8, Verse 12, which reads: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." The ACOG is widely used by the U.S. military.

    (ABC News)
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    The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

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    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

    Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    'It violates the Constitution'

    The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

    Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

    The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

    A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    'Firearms of Jesus Christ'

    "It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said. Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

    He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade."

    According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

    "This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

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    This actually just makes me want to run out and buy something from trijicon and i suspect it will have much the same effect on every one else who is a gun owner or potential buyer.

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    Don't offend any Muslims and muzzle all Americans from any Christian expression.

    ABC: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    Pentagon Supplier for Rifle Sights Says It Has 'Always' Added New Testament References

    By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS
    Jan. 18, 2010

    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.



    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to...

    At the end of the serial number on Trijicon's ACOG gun sight, you can read "JN8:12", a reference to the New Testament book of John, Chapter 8, Verse 12, which reads: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." The ACOG is widely used by the U.S. military.

    (ABC News)
    More Photos

    The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

    Related

    PHOTOS: Read the Secret 'Jesus' Messages on U.S. Military Weapons


    Ft. Hood: Warning Signs 'Missed', 'Ignored'


    More from Brian Ross and the Investigative Team

    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

    Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    'It violates the Constitution'

    The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom." "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

    Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the ABCNews.com report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

    The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

    A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

    'Firearms of Jesus Christ'

    "It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said. Weinstein, an attorney and former Air Force officer, said many members of his group who currently serve in the military have complained about the markings on the sights. He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

    He said coded biblical inscriptions play into the hands of "those who are calling this a Crusade."

    According to a government contracting watchdog group, fedspending.org, Trijicon had more than $100 million in government contracts in fiscal year 2008. The Michigan company won a $33 million Pentagon contract in July, 2009 for a new machine gun optic, according to Defense Industry Daily. The company's earnings from the U.S. military jumped significantly after 2005, when it won a $660 million long-term contract to supply the Marine Corps with sights.

    "This is probably the best example of violation of the separation of church and state in this country," said Weinstein. "It's literally pushing fundamentalist Christianity at the point of a gun against the people that we're fighting. We're emboldening an enemy."

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    I want a Jesus Rifle!!!

    Too bad Trij doesn't make an optic that will work for me (a 1-3x). If they did, I wouldn't be looking at Leupold's CQ/T.

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    Muslims Angry Over U.S. Military 'Jesus' Rifles

    Thursday, January 21, 2010
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    Combat rifle sights used by U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan carry secret references to Bible verses.

    Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the U.S. military is using combat rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.
    Army officials have said they will investigate whether a Michigan defense contractor violated federal procurement rules by stamping references to Bible verses on the gun sights used by American forces to kill enemy fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations on Wednesday said the continued use of the sights with the religious references would send a negative message to the Muslim world.
    "The use of military equipment with hidden Bible references sends the false message to Muslims worldwide that we are at war with Islam," said CAIR Legal Counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. "In addition, these sights are a potential recruiting tool for anti-American forces, endanger our troops and alienate our Muslim allies. They should we withdrawn as soon as logistically possible."
    The Marine Corps, another major customer of the telescoping sights that allow troops to pinpoint targets day or night, says service acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future purchases of the company's gear.

    "If determined to be true, this is clearly inappropriate and we are looking into possible remedies," Commander Darryn James, a Pentagon spokesman, told AFP.
    The references have stoked concerns by a watch dog group about whether the inscriptions break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops. But military officials said the citations don't violate the ban and they won't stop using the tens of thousands of telescoping sights that have already been bought.
    The codes were used as "part of our faith and our belief in service to our country," Trijicon said.
    "As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," a company spokesman said on condition of anonymity.
    Trijicon said it has been longstanding company practice to put the Scripture citations on the equipment. Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing, said the company has never received any complaints until now.
    "We don't publicize this," Munson said in a recent interview. "It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there.'"
    The inscriptions are subtle and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.
    Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, which is standard issue to U.S. special operations forces, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.
    The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.
    Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.
    The Defense Department is a major customer of Trijicon's. In 2009 alone, the Marine Corps signed deals worth $66 million for the company's products. Trijicon's scopes and optical devices for guns range in cost from a few hundred dollars to $13,000, according to the company's Web site.
    Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says the Trijicon sights could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool: that American troops are Christian crusaders invading Muslim countries.
    "I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Quran were being inscribed onto these U.S. armed forces gun sights instead of New Testament citations," Weinstein said. The foundation is a nonprofit organization opposed to religious favoritism within the military.
    Weinstein said he has received complaints about the Scripture citations from active-duty and retired members of the military. He said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.
    A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which manages military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, said the sights don't violate the ban on proselytizing because there's no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the U.S. troops who use them.
    "This situation is not unlike the situation with U.S. currency," said the spokesman, Air Force Maj. John Redfield. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."
    Capt. Geraldine Carey, a Marine Corps spokeswoman, said Tuesday in an e-mailed statement that "we are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived." Carey said Marine Corps acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future buys of the company's sights. The statement did not say what the nature of those discussions would be.
    Gary Tallman, an Army spokesman, said the service was not aware of the markings. But Army acquisition experts will determine if Trijicon violated any procurement regulations, he said.
    Munson, Trijicon's sales director, said the practice of putting Bible references on the sites began nearly 30 years ago by Trijicon's founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, has continued the practice.

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    Guys, apologies for the ad. I tried to edit it out, but it reappeared when I posted. Somebody use some "aderase" please?

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    MTS, I think the ad is gone. Also, moved your thread into this thread on the same subject that vector had started.

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    Air Force official: Bible code on rifle scopes
    just like ‘God’ on US money


    By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
    Tuesday, January 19th, 2010 -- 12:56 pm




    A Pentagon spokesman says there is nothing wrong or illegal with the armed forces using rifle sights inscribed with references to biblical passages.

    Air Force Maj. John Redfield, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the sights from Michigan-based Trijicon -- which are now the target of controversy following news reports earlier this week -- "don't violate the [military] ban on proselytizing because there's no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the US troops who use them," the Associated Press reports.

    "This situation is not unlike the situation with US currency," Maj. Redfield said. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."

    Meanwhile, a lawyer and former training officer for the US Army Reserves says that any attempt by the US government to cancel its contracts with an arms supplier that enscribes biblical references on its rifle sights would be "discrimination."

    "I think if this private company wants to include in a long series of serial numbers some sequence of the numbers and letters at the end that have some sort of biblical reference, that's their right to do that," Hiram Sasser, a lawyer with the Liberty Legal Institute and a former US Army Reserves training officer, told Doocy. "Frankly, I think it would be discrimination to do something to try to cancel their contract simply because of that."
    Story continues below...

    Doocy quoted the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which has come out in opposition to Trijicon's practice, saying that "it's wrong and it violates the Constitution and federal laws, as well, regarding separation of church and state."

    "Well if that were true, then we would not be allowed to display the Declaration of Independence in the National Archives, because of its explicit reference to a creator," Sasser said.

    Doocy also addressed the claim by the US military that it didn't know about the biblical references on the rifle sights. TalkingPointsMemo's Justin Elliott argues that the military couldn't have been unaware of the biblical inscriptions, because gun enthusiasts have been discussing them for years.

    "They've been doing this for years and years, and for the military now to say 'we didn't know that it was on there,' what do you make of that?" Doocy asked.

    "The big brass never knows what the soldiers on the ground know about what the serial numbers are," Sasser said.

    He added: "The scope that these are printed on is a light-amplification scope. If you look at those biblical references, they always have to do with amplifying light. This is no different than any other play on words."

    The Military Religious Freedom Foundation argues that the biblical verses make it more difficult to prosecute the war against terrorism.

    "It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," the group's president, Michael Weinstein, said.

    Trijicon is a sponsor of God's Great Outdoors, a radio ministry for Christian hunters on which the company's sales director, Tom Munson, has been interviewed. Trijicon's wordmark is listed as a "featured sponsor" on the radio show's Web site.
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    Firm will remove Bible references from gun sights

    By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer Richard Lardner, Associated Press Writer Fri Jan 22, 12:56 am ET

    WASHINGTON – A Michigan defense contractor will voluntarily stop stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights made for the U.S. military, a major buyer of the company's gear.

    In a statement released Thursday, Trijicon of Wixom, Mich., says it is also providing to the armed forces free of charge modification kits to remove the Scripture citations from the telescoping sights already in use. Through multimillion dollar contracts, the Marine Corps and Army have bought more than 300,000 Trijicon sights.

    The references to Bible passages raised concerns that the citations break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are predominantly Muslim countries.

    A spokesman for U.S. Central Command initially said the Trijicon sights didn't violate the ban and compared the citations on the sights to the "In God We Trust" inscription printed on U.S. currency.

    On Thursday, however, Army Gen. David Petraeus, Central Command's top officer, called the practice "disturbing."

    "This is a serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan," Petraeus told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

    In a statement issued later by the command, Petraeus said that "cultural and religious sensitivities are important considerations in the conduct of military operations."

    New Zealand announced Thursday that they would remove the citations from the sights they have, and Australia, which also uses the sights, is assessing what to do.

    New Zealand defense force spokesman Maj. Kristian Dunne said Trijicon would be instructed to remove the inscriptions from further orders of the gun sights for New Zealand and the letters would be removed from gun sights already in use by troops.

    The inscriptions are not obvious and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.

    Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, which is standard issue to U.S. special operations forces, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.

    The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.

    Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.

    Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, said in a letter sent Thursday to President Barack Obama that the gun sights "clearly violate" the rule against proselytizing. Gaddy added that "images of American soldiers as Christian crusaders come to mind when they are carrying weaponry bearing such verses."

    Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, contacted The Associated Press last week about the Scripture citations. He said he had received complaints from active-duty and retired members of the military. Weinstein said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.

    The company's practice of putting Bible references on the sites began nearly 30 years ago by Trijicon's founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, has continued the practice.

    "Trijicon has proudly served the U.S. military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate," Stephen Bindon said in the statement.

    The statement does not provide an estimate on the removal costs. A company spokesman did not return a telephone call.

    The company is also making the same offer to military in other countries that have purchased Trijicon's rifle sights.

    An Army spokesman said Thursday the service was unaware of the coded biblical references until a few days ago.

    "It is not the policy of the Army or the Department of Defense to put religious references of any kind on its equipment," Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings said.

    Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Geraldine Carey said the service "is making every effort to remove these markings from all of our scopes and will ensure that all future procurement of these scopes will not have these types of markings."

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    What Do Jesus, Rifle Scopes and Dead Terrorists Have in Common? Trijicon

    Saturday, January 23, 2010
    by Doug Giles

    In the latest edition of political correctness gone wild, Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation are droning on about scope manufacturer Trijicon putting Scripture references on their gun optics that our troops use to kill Muslim maniacs. They think a biblical citation will offend our opposition and be used as a recruiting tool for terrorist tools.

    This politically correct, anti-Christian military “watch dog” is the same group of wizards that didn’t catch Nidal Malik Hasan’s “SoA” (Soldier of Allah ref) on his military business card and claim that somehow Hasan felt harassed by non-Muslim military meanies into killing our troops at Fort Hood. How sweet.

    Yep, the overly sensitive ones at MRFF are very concerned that an obscure Scripture reference built into the serial number in tiny, wittle print on the base of Trijicon scopes will affront Achmed the Terrorist. That would be the same Achmed who screams “Allahu Akbar!” before he lights his penis on fire at 30,000 feet.

    Call me crazy, but I’d think that the most odious aspects of Trijicon’s optics, if I were a terrorist, would not be the murky Bible references but the following ...

    • Trijicon’s self-luminous aiming systems that have been battle-tested by those who protect and defend the USA around the globe—rightfully earning Trijicon the reputation of having the most sophisticated and dependable deadly optics on the planet. Yep, Trijicon has united long-range accuracy with instantaneous shot placement like no other. Now ... if I were part of the Taliban, that would tick me off more than JHN.8:12 on a sight rail would. Fo’ shizzle, my nizzle.

    • Another thing that would irk me if I were a “Man Made Disaster” (or whatever Napolitano calls terrorists) more than John 3:16 could ever hope to would be Trijicon’s Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight™ (ACOG). Why would the ACOG get under my skin? Well, it’s because this little gadget provides “instinctive” target acquisition and increased hit potential in all lighting conditions. That’s way offensive!

    • Another thing that would really get me PO’ed if I were an al-Qaeda op is the Bindon Aiming Concept™ (BAC). Y’know ... aiming with both eyes open! This crap gives the USA a far superior sense of balance and a wider field-of-view. Indeed, the combination of these benefits with a magnified Trijicon sight gives our troops a considerable advantage over their targets. And we all know how unfair that is to Islamic radicals.

    Another thing that I’d consider ruder than the vague verses hidden out of view on Trijicon’s sighting system if I were a suicide bomber would be the .223, .308 and .50 BMG bullets that actually come out of the gun barrel and devastate my vital organs. That stuff would get me really pissy. So, MRFF … when are we going to ban bullets for their bellicosity toward poor Muslim terrorists?

    Yep, thanks to the PC pressure MRFF applied to our already bound and gagged military wizards, the brass inside the Beltway have come to conclude that if our troops use Trijicon’s optics marked with a reference to the gospel of Mark that al-Qaeda and the Taliban will get mad, go crazy and view our engagement as a holy war.

    Uh … let me help you a little bit. These crazy SOBs can’t get any madder. I think at this stage of the game everything we do ticks them off. For example, in their minds: Bible code on a scope = they wanna kill us! Heidi Montag gets a boob job! Argh! We must die! Conan gets cancelled! No soup for us! Pat Boone wears white after Labor Day! Damn Americans! I kill you!
    Additionally, the war that we are fighting with implacable Islam—the one which they started—has always been, in their view, a holy war; we’re the one’s who are still pretending it isn’t!

    Here’s what I recommend: Being the anything-but-PC pundit that I am, I say we do the opposite of what the PC sheeple suggest we do. Here’s what I think we ought to try:

    1. Trijicon renames their ACOG optics to GRTMS, the “Get Ready to Meet Satan” scope.

    2. We put the image of Jesus in the scope with his finger pointing up to where the bullet will impact the target.

    3. We rename the M4 to 72VP, which is short for “72 Virgins? Puh-lease!”

    Finally, I’d like to thank all the patriots at Trijicon for the amazing optics they have provided for hunters, law enforcers and our outstanding military men and women, as well as their commitment, as a company, to Jesus Christ. I’ve got to confess, I have never owned a Trijicon scope and have been a Leupold fan for many years. However, in light of the hell the boys at Trijicon are going through because of their faith, my three new rifles that are currently scopeless will now all be topped with Trijicons. And I suggest, America, that you show them some love and do the same thing with all your rifles that need some glass.

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    I want a Jesus rifle!

    That's freaking great.



    Trijicon makes some of the best optics. I use their sights on my pistols.

    Ryan,

    Trijicon makes a 1-4 X 24.

    http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=5

    Get the Trijicon Ryan, and never look back.

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    I saw that after I had posted that Backstop. I'd go with it but 2 things...

    1) From what I can see it isn't NV compatible. Supposedly this is an issue with tritium illuminated scopes and Trij is working on a solution. I'm getting a mount for my MUM-14 to put it behind the optic so I can take advantage of the magnification. And...
    2) I've already got a Leupold CQ/T (which does have 2 NV compatible settings) with amber reticle coming to me. Picked it up NIB for $600 off of the ARFCOM EE! And to go with that, I've got a LaRue CQ/T mount on the way as well.

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    Cool.

    Looking fwd to the review, Ryan.

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    Don't offend any Muslims, especially the One presiding over our Military...

    Army Allegedly Orders That Bible Inscriptions Be Scraped Off of Weapon Scopes


    Apr. 23, 2013 8:55am Billy Hallowell


    Questions surrounding purported attacks on faith in the United States military continue to abound. Over the past few years, many critics have decried perceived attempts to remove Judeo-Christian values from the ranks. A new report claiming that the Army has mandated that troops remove Bible inscriptions from their weapon scopes will likely only add to the debate.

    Fox News’ Todd Starnes is reporting that soldiers were recently told to turn in their scopes so that a Biblical inscription purportedly etched into serial numbers could be removed. Active-duty members of the Army at Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks, Alaska, apparently reached out to let the outlet to shed light upon the situation.


    Photo Credit: Fox News’ Todd Starnes

    Starnes has more about the lengths to which officials went to ensure that these verses were no longer visible:
    The scopes were made by Trijicon and referenced New Testament passages in John 8:12 and Second Corinthians 4:6. The verses appeared at the end of the scope serial numbers – “JN8:12” and “2COR4:6.”

    “The biblical verse (JN8:12) must be removed utilizing a Dremel type tool and then painted black,” read instructions on how to remedy the matter.

    After the letters and numbers were scrapped off, soldiers were directed to use apply black paint to ensure the verses were totally covered.


    While the story seems unbelievable on the surface, Starnes reports that an Army spokesman confirmed the report in a written statement.

    At issue was the notion that the military was purportedly not notified by Trijicon before the verses were placed at the end of series numbers. But the contention seems to stretch beyond that, as spokesman Matthew Bourke also told Starnes that the Bible inscriptions will be removed from all future weapons orders.


    Photo Credit: Fox News’ Todd Starnes

    “The vendor etched those inscriptions on scopes without the Army’s approval. Consequently, the modified scopes did not meet the requirement under which the contract was executed,” wrote Bourke.

    “Some of these scopes had already been fielded. Corrective measures were taken to remove inscriptions during the RESET/PRESET process in order to avoid a disruption in combat operations,” he added.

    Read the entire report here.

    (H/T: Weasel Zippers)

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