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    Your points are well taken and appreciated, Rick. It would be GREAT to be able to hold those who violate our basic rights as citizens to accountable standards, but it is unlikely - yet. It may happen, but too many currently in power are too weak and crumble from adversity.

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    I suggest you and others who've not done so, read "Unintended Consequences".
    It's an old book now... perhaps, 1996. John Ross.
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    I didn't want to derail the thread Rick had posted about that NYT Op-Ed so I'm posting this here...

    I really think that piece typifies why I believe there just needs to be a peaceful separation between Liberal America and Conservative America. I think that at this point the differences in culture and mindset between the two sides are just to great to reconcile. To read that piece and think that there are people living in this same country as I am and honestly have that mindset is a completely alien concept to me.

    It doesn't have to be a malicious breakup with bloodshed that possibly ruins both sides irreparably, we can still remain amicable and have positive economic relations.

    Let's just each side sit down, hash out dividing lines, go our own separate ways, and see which side does best. Who knows, maybe a smaller Socialist coastal/metropolitan area is something that could, kinda-sorta work for the Liberals like the Scandinavians. I seriously doubt it but let's just go down our own opposite paths and see.

    At least that's what I'd like to see optimistically. Not that I actually see people being smart enough to chose that path...

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    They did what they had to stay in power this last election.

    They will not relinquish their hold without a fight, if fact that is what they are working toward.

    A catalyst to move the country Forward into their next transformational phase removing the few remaining peices of the Constitution making way for Communism over taking America.

    They will do this by pulling several linchpins, then finally the dollar.

    Putting everyone in poverty in a free society will unleash the chaos they've been cultivating through social programs for 50 years, causing citizens to trade what is needed for peace and safety.



    September 8th, 2012

    America's Twilight Zone? Expert Predicts 50% Unemployment, 90% Market Drop, 100% Inflation

    Posted by: Barry Secrest
    Published on September 8th, 2012 @ 09:23:17 am , using 910 words

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    Take immediate steps to protect your wealth . . .

    That’s exactly what many well-respected economists, billionaires, and noted authors are telling you to do — experts such as Marc Faber, Peter Schiff, Donald Trump, and Robert Wiedemer. According to them, we are on the verge of another recession, and this one will be far worse than what we experienced during the last financial crisis.

    Marc Faber, the noted Swiss economist and investor, has voiced his concerns for the U.S. economy numerous times during recent media appearances, stating, “I think somewhere down the line we will have a massive wealth destruction. I would say that well-to-do people may lose up to 50 percent of their total wealth.”

    When he was asked what sort of odds he put on a global recession happening, the economist famous for his ominous predictions quickly answered . . . “100 percent.”

    Faber points out that this bleak outlook stems directly from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s policy decisions, and the continuous printing of new money, referred to as “quantitative easing” in the media.

    Faber’s pessimism is matched by well-respected economist and investor Peter Schiff, the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital. Schiff remarks that the stock market collapse we experienced in 2008 “wasn’t the real crash. The real crash is coming.”

    Schiff didn’t stop there. Most alarming is his belief that daily life will get dramatically worse for U.S. citizens.

    “If we keep doing this policy of stimulus and growing government, it’s just going to get worse for the average American. Our standard of living is going to fall . . . People who are expecting Social Security can’t get all that money. People expecting government pensions can’t get all their money . . . We simply can’t afford to pay them.”

    Equally critical of the current government and our nation’s economy is real estate mogul and entrepreneur Donald Trump, who is warning that the United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.

    Trump doesn’t hesitate to point out America’s unhealthy dependence on China. “When you’re not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We’re borrowing from the Chinese and others.”

    It is this massive debt that worries Trump the most.

    “We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it’s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished,” Trump says, referring to President Barack Obama. “When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion [range], you are talking about a [credit] downgrade no matter how you cut it.”

    In a recent appearance, Trump went to so far as to say the dollar is “going to hell.”

    Where Trump, Faber, and Schiff see rising debt, a falling dollar, and a plunging stock market, investment adviser and author Robert Wiedemer sees much more widespread economic destruction.

    In a recent interview to talk about his New York Times best-seller Aftershock, Wiedemer says, “The data is clear, 50 percent unemployment, a 90 percent stock market drop, and 100 percent annual inflation… starting in 2013.”

    Editor’s Note: Watch the disturbing interview with Wiedemer.

    Before you dismiss Wiedemer’s claims as impossible or unrealistic, consider this: In 2006, Wiedemer and a team of economists accurately predicted the collapse of the U.S. housing market, equity markets, and consumer spending that almost sank the United States. They published their research in the book America’s Bubble Economy.

    When the interview host questioned Wiedemer’s latest data, the author unapologetically displayed shocking charts backing up his allegations, and then ended his argument with, “You see, the medicine will become the poison.”

    The interview has become a wake-up call for those unprepared (or unwilling) to acknowledge an ugly truth: The country’s financial “rescue” devised in Washington has failed miserably.

    The blame lies squarely on those whose job it was to avoid the exact situation we find ourselves in, including Bernanke and former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, tasked with preventing financial meltdowns and keeping the nation’s economy strong through monetary and credit policies.

    Shocking Footage: See the eerie chart that exposes the ‘unthinkable.’

    At one point, Wiedemer even calls out Bernanke, saying that his “money from heaven will be the path to hell.”

    But it’s not just the grim predictions that are causing the sensation in Wiedemer’s video interview. Rather, it’s his comprehensive blueprint for economic survival that’s really commanding global attention.

    The interview offers realistic, step-by-step solutions that the average hard-working American can easily follow.

    The video was initially screened for a relatively small, private audience. But the overwhelming amount of feedback from viewers who felt the interview should be widely publicized came with consequences, as various online networks repeatedly shut it down and affiliates refused to house the content.

    Bernanke and Greenspan certainly would not support Wiedemer publicly, and it soon became apparent mainstream media would not either.

    “People were sitting up and taking notice, and they begged us to make the interview public so they could easily share it,” said Newsmax Financial Publisher Aaron DeHoog. “But unfortunately, it kept getting pulled.”

    “Our real concern,” DeHoog added, “is the effect even if only half of Wiedemer’s predictions come true.

    “That’s a scary thought for sure. But we want the average American to be prepared, and that is why we will continue to push this video to as many outlets as we can. We want the word to spread.”

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    The Real Losers of 2012


    by John Galt
    December 31, 2012 19:30 ET


    Just a wee bit under a month ago, Americans both alive and dead went to the polls to vote for the candidate that they were programmed to. Yours truly crossed party lines from the Libertarian candidate to waste a vote on the Republicrat and as admitted earlier was dead wrong about the American sheeple as I had hoped to help delay the destruction of our society by at least one or two years.

    After listening to the same 田onservative talk radio, watching too much network and cable commentary (yes, I drank the Kool Ade so you disn稚 have to), and reading the postmortem of the disaster in such a voracious manner so as to ascertain just how bad the situation is, I now feel comfortable with stating my perspective of who lost the most and how bad their payback from the Obama regime will indeed be.



    Without a doubt, Clear Channel and the other mega radio conglomerates who made a fortune during the revival of talk radio by conservative hosts who syndicated nationwide will end up being the biggest loser. The United States has enjoyed almost thirty years of uninterrupted, uncensored, and free wheeling commercial talk radio with the greatest expansion of broadcasting and free expression since the great expansion of radio in the 1920′s.

    Sadly for Clear Channel, Obama and the Democrats have a socialist agenda and quasi-monopolies which do not permit 鍍heir point of view according to their interpretation of reality. Thus look for a massive move to re-regulate and restrict the number of stations and content duration for all broadcasters on mediumwave, FM, shortwave, satellite, and the Internet. Think it can稚 happen here? Think again my friends as the capacity to rule via Executive Order is now in place with little hope of retribution and little to any chance that an injunction would be issued by the extremely liberal Washington, D.C. court of appeals.

    The United States Supreme Court will end up being the last hope for talk radio aficionados and the corporations whose empires are dependent on syndicated national radio but it is more likely that Obama痴 administration stalls any action at the highest court for years until the balance of power is shifted with at least two more Obama appointees who believe that government has unlimited power to regulate commercial speech via the airwaves and wires.



    Sorry Rush, this is not 1996 nor will the end results of the current regime痴 re-election provide a boost to your massive audience or ego like Clinton痴 second term. Sadly for America and Rush, 2012 will turn out to be the headstone year for the Republican Party and the dirt nap is about to begin with the upcoming Fiscal Cliff fiasco.

    The Rush phenomenon has captured the imagination of tens of millions of American citizens, helped to revive classic conservatism with the Grand Old Party, and spawned dozens if not hundreds of copycat talk shows which have bombarded the airwaves with thousands of hours of almost identical thought processes and no real agenda to steer the country back on the correct course. Repeatedly over the last sixteen years Limbaugh told his audience to stay the course, work within the Republican Party to change their leadership and move the RNC back towards a greater acceptance of conservative values.

    Oh, sure, the RNC would outline a platform of conservative values at every convention and pay lip service to the ideals in their speeches but in the end, Rush痴 reign of radio bombast died on November 6, 2012. With the rebuke of the Republican Party, Mitt Romney, and the begging of conservative talk radio for months to do anything to get rid of Obama by holding our noses one more time and voting against and not for something, the ideals Rush promulgated are soon to be relegated to broadcast history. His entertaining style and ability to capture the imagination of new listeners will be limited soon, not just by the coming death of A.M. (Mediumwave) radio, but by a government consisting to two parties working hand in hand hell bent to silence all but approved First Amendment instruments to politely criticize their imperial reign of terror. Tee it up Rush and light up a Diamond Crown on the 4th hole as you relax during your upcoming retirement.


    Send in the clones.

    Sean has enjoyed one hell of a run. Emerging from the Atlanta market at a time of rampant political corruption and blatant abuse of power by former civil rights leaders, Hannity managed to ride in on the path created by Limbaugh and spin a nationally syndicated radio program into a successful nationally televised shoutfest on the Fox News Channel. The ratings have been huge but once again the marriage to the cowardly party and unwillingness to strike out and support third party alternatives to the anti-Constitutional Republican Party.

    Finally in the end, he started to realize that Libertarians were sending an actual clarion call warning of the ongoing abuses started under President George W. Bush and expanded under the Obama regime. The inability to distinguish his ideology from that of allegedly conservative GOP politicians will soon bear bitter fruit as viewers who were addicted to FNC and the various programs consisting of miniature verbal riots where opposing views ended with absurd and pointless discussions based on false pretenses from both sides. Eventually and inevitably, that wears on everyone, especially when the incessant politicking and promoting of the GOP ticket with Karl Rove and Dick Morris on the show almost every night revealed a cabal of RINOism as bad as the displays of blatant support for Marxism on MSNBC. Sean hooked his star and bet his future on a Romney administration and the results were disastrous. Next time, if there is one, perhaps he should make sure the star he bets on is not a Romney type disaster designed like a North Korean satellite.


    Presenting the anti-anti-matter clone.

    I致e met Glenn and he痴 genuinely a nice guy and believes what he says, even before September 11, 2001 when his shows were carefree and crazy during afternoon drive time in Tampa. Unfortunately he followed suit and with great trepidation supported the Romney camp not because it was an enthusiastic vote for the mysterious blob known as the Mitt agenda, but because he was not Obama. Once again though many extremists on the left and right will misinterpret Glenn痴 problems from the 2012 election and blame it on the RNC collapse.

    Far from that.

    When one attempts to eat an elephant, one should attempt to do so one bite at a time.. While The Blaze networks, websites, and news resources are impressive in every aspect of their production and creation, there is a real threat hanging over the neck of Mr. Beck痴 network and the target painted on is is a dashed line that says 徹bama cut here. The misnomer is that this is still the semblance of 鄭merica as we know it and that engagement in traditional and non-traditional exhibitions of dissent will be permitted. Sadly, I do not think this will be the case for much longer. All of Mr. Beck痴 empire has been constructed with great expediency inside of the United States. No redundancy overseas. No international broadcast outlets to beam programming back into the U.S. No provisions for servers or alternate methods of communicating the message behind a digital curtain descending upon Police State U.S.A.

    With 2012 ending, President Obama has the chain saw revving up. You might want to move your neck off the chopping block Glenn.


    Uh, yeah. Deservedly so.

    Newt Gingrich lead a so-called revolution in the 1990′s which took back the House of Representatives and promised a 渡ew and improved Republican brand where conservative values were taken into account and acted upon. A decade later of inaction and ineptitude and the Republicans earned the monickers which they continue to live up to to this day:

    Cowards. Liars. Scum.

    At least they killed the party with style by lining their own pockets, selling America off to the banksters in the early part of the Bush administration, and guaranteeing that no matter which party puts a body into the White House that they have the seal of approval of the globalist agenda. Perhaps the willingness to surrender our Bill of Rights to 菟rotect their financial interests is all you need to know about the G.O.P. The RNC didn稚 figure it out before the election, attacked and weakened the Tea Party faithful with a concentrated campaign of subversion, and then got smoked on November 6th. The funny thing is they refused to attack Obama for his wildly extremist views, including some Marxist ideology openly exposed where he stated in his own words that the government should control X, Y, or Z. This policy of the RNC is akin to running a candidate for the Chancellor of Germany in 1938 and just hinting that 塗ey, Hitler is rude to Jews. Guess how this program turned out for the party in 2012.

    Think they care?

    Nope, they値l just switch to the winning $ide.



    Ding Dong the Rove is dead,
    The Rich dumb Bitch,
    The evil witch,
    Ding Dong the Rove monster is deeeeeeeaaaaaaad.wheeeeee..

    In 2012 this horse痴 ass showed his true colors with a bullcrap wipeboard and a fundraising campaign which attempted to remold the Republican Party and claim the mantle of conservatism in his image.

    The results?

    Yeah, 4 more years, no Senate, fewer House seats, and the end of our nation as we know it. Good work Karl! How much did the Rothschild family or Soros donate to your circus act to guarantee we collapse as a country? Goodbye *******, we will not miss you.


    Kill the 2nd Amendment? Yup, damned near complete.

    Kill the 4th Amendment? Yup, NDAA for all, thank you Senator Manchurian Candidate McCain.

    Kill the 5th Amendment? Gonzo, poof, finis.

    Article 1, Section 7? Now it痴 digital, good work political illuminati.

    6th Amendment? Take 2 cups of DHS and get back to me in the morning.

    8th Amendment? Refer to above and McCain痴 NDAA police state edict.

    9th Amendment? Good luck with that.

    Kill the 10th Amendment? Please pass the salt and Obamacare to rub into the wound.

    Most of the list above was destroyed in 2012 with the groundwork created by the Bush regime and its cronies. No big deal, it痴 just a damned piece of paper anyways.


    Individual investors? Nope.

    Legitimate legal trading platform for capitalism? Less so than a casino.

    Gambling? You betcha.

    The complete destruction of the United States equity market was successful despite the cute E*Trade baby and clever commercials where old people act like they know a damned thing about HFT, quants, and until it is too late the phrase 杜argin call.

    The powers that be have succeeded beyond their wild imagination allowing the PPT and Federal Reserve to manipulate all aspects of our financial system be it bonds, stocks, commodities, currencies, or even insurance. This action, in combination with the 2007-2009 implosion followed by numerous individual flash crashes and blatant market manipulation for political purposes has soured the faith and willingness of suckers, er, investors to participate in the markets. Brokers are irrelevant piles of crap by and large, leading people astray to invest in the next Pets.Com instead of acting as fiduciaries. Large scale fraud committed by the banksters gets a slap on the wrist while car thieves get worse sentences even though they did not wipe a retired soul out of their life savings.

    Good luck getting everyone back, I知 not playing ever again; Vegas or a bookie has a cleaner game and better odds.


    The final loser is you. America.

    The masses.

    The refusal to understand that by ignoring history we are not only repeating it, but accelerating the demise. The fall of Rome took hundreds of years of corruption and ineptitude. We池e on a pace to do it in microseconds.

    Most citizens hate history so they have taken the elite痴 word for reality and did not participate in this election because they can not trust anyone in government unless it is to help them get a form to file for some sort of benefit that they really do not need. Those in need as a result are pushed to the rear of the line while those who are living off their fellow American ballooned to a historical high in 2012. Thus buy allowing the people who wish to control every aspect of their lives despite promises not to do so to win more control, the acceleration of the destruction of our national identity and unity continues at light speed.

    America has become France on steroids and now the entire nation is being turned into a bunch of wimpy, sissified, cheese eating surrender monkeys.

    2013 is just going to be the year where dirt is thrown on the coffin Lady Liberty is being buried in.

    In my next posting on January 1, 2013, I unveil my nightmare predictions for 2013. Hopefully those are much better than 2012 so we can all enjoy the doom together. Until the solar flares send us back to 1881.

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    Last night my wife began removing "friends" on facebook. They were advocating the "burning of the Constitution".
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    I am still strongly considering the closing of my facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    Last night my wife began removing "friends" on facebook. They were advocating the "burning of the Constitution".
    See? How can people like that be expected to peacefully live side by side with people like us?

    One believes in the content of that document and a nation founded around it and the other doesn't.

    In thinking more about a peaceful split, I don't think the Socialist leaning would be of mind to accept such a split namely because they know their model isn't sustainable on it's own in the long term. They need a "productive class" to perpetuate their lifestyle and the lifestyle of their followers and, they know that "fly-over country", which would comprise most of the new Conservative nation is very rich in energy, food production, and other resources whereas their more urban Liberal nation wouldn't have much to offer. The thought dawned on me when I was contemplating the "positive economic relations" aspect of my previous post. We would be able to trade to them energy and food but what would such a new Liberal nation have to offer us that we wouldn't already have?

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    We would be able to trade to them energy and food but what would such a new Liberal nation have to offer us that we wouldn't already have?
    Movies, entertainment, music, porn....

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2GjV80us0

    you know, the usual shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    Movies, entertainment, music, porn....

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2GjV80us0

    you know, the usual shit.


    I should have said, "...what useful things would such a new Liberal nation have to offer us that we wouldn't already have?"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Fiord View Post
    I am still strongly considering the closing of my facebook.
    I did that years ago. I can meet the people I want here or on the phone. I don't need to see whether their dog made a cute poo. Too many creeps out there were trolling my kids too so I closed theirs also. They don't even miss it.
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    The scary part is if you went to reactivate your facebook all your data would be there again as they retain it all. Private company, so they can after all, though I think it is poor form to do so if one decides to leave.

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    we do the same thing here Phil.

    But, I'd think it would be ok to delete stuff on there, one thing at a time. Can't do that either.
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    My cousin had closed his facebook after deleting content. he later reopened it to see all his content and all back.

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    After careful and thorough consideration for the question posed by this thread, I state, "Yes. America will be no more soon".

    A lot of things are coming to fruition for the Lefties of the world. And most of them will hit sometime around March of this year. I can't say I realized this until it was pointed out to me, but the time line makes sense.

    Here is just one... one which everyone is ignoring.

    UN Arms Trade Treaty to be finale in March



    By Michael Webster: Syndicated Investigative Reporter
    As a politically divisive debate on gun control rages on in the United States following a rash of mass shootings, the United Nations voted today to meet in March to finalize the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) after nearly two decades of negotiations.


    Dr Natalie Goldring, a senior research fellow at the Center for Security Studies at the Edmund A Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, said the upcoming conference probably represented the final opportunity to reach such a treaty within the UN structure.


    The 193-member General Assembly voted overwhelmingly - 133 to nil, with 17 abstentions - to hold the conference on March 18-28, 2013.


    All six major arms-exporting countries - China, France, Germany, Russia, the UK and the United States - voted for the resolution.


    The conference is expected to approve a treaty to regulate the estimated $73bn global arms trade. In 2011, the United States alone concluded arms deals worth $66.3bn, according to the Congressional Research Service.


    The current draft text, which will be the negotiating document in March, has been kicked around since July 2012.


    The National Rifle Association (NRA), the most powerful gun lobby in the United States, has opposed the treaty on the belief it would hinder or deprive gun ownership in the USA.


    "The political environment is quite different (since the November presidential polls). My hope is that President (Barack) Obama's convincing re-election victory last month will help ensure that the US delegation advocates a strong ATT now and in the negotiating conference next spring," Goldring said.


    The US government has made clear its refusal to accept a treaty with any provisions that would restrict civilian possession of firearms in the United States. It has even published its "diplomatic redlines" on the Department of State website, an action that may be without precedent in this context.


    Thus far the US government has also opposed any inclusion of ammunition or explosives in the treaty, which Goldring considers "short sighted".


    "At a minimum, all countries should be required to track ammunition when it is exported, as the United States already does. To be effective, an ATT must include all types of transfers and all types of conventional weapons, including their parts, components, and munitions," she said.


    According to the DICK ACT of 1902... It CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) -


    Protection against Tyrannical Government


    The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R.11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.


    The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.


    The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.


    The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.


    The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.


    The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion).


    These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.


    Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the
    Limits of the United States."


    The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been Impeached.


    During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada.


    The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.


    The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states.


    Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.


    Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10,1917, pages 6836-6840 which states:


    "The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of The States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."


    "This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.


    Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."


    All according to The Honorable William Gordon.
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    Here's another March deadline:


    Obama signs sequestration delay, defense bill

    By John T. Bennett - Staff writer
    Posted : Thursday Jan 3, 2013 9:15:00 EST

    A vacationing President Obama has signed the controversial measure that delays pending cuts to projected Pentagon spending and the 2013 military policy bill, the White House said.

    From Hawaii, Obama reviewed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which extends tax breaks for most Americans and raises rates on high earners while delaying big cuts to planned domestic and defense spending.

    He ordered his signature be placed via the autopen on that bill, which steers the nation around the fiscal cliff.

    The fiscal cliff bill’s two-month sequestration delay sets a new March 1 deadline for passage of at least $1.2 trillion in deficit-reduction measures, the amount needed to turn off the defense and domestic sequestration cuts. If Congress and Obama again fail to do so, sequestration would take effect March 27, according to the law.

    Efforts to cobble together those deficit-cutting components will take place at the same time Obama and lawmakers are engaged in what is expected to be a bitter fight over raising the nation’s borrowing limit.

    The White House also shipped to Hawaii a copy of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which it had threatened Obama would veto over terrorist detainee language. Obama physically signed the NDAA, according to a White House pool report.

    The policy bill clears the Pentagon to spend $633 billion on aircraft, ships and vehicles. Notably, the NDAA clears the Pentagon to enter into multiyear procurement deals on several programs, including for Army CH-47 helicopters, Navy DDG-51 destroyers and V-22 tiltrotor aircraft.

    The policy act, finalized Dec. 18 by a House-Senate conference committee, also limits DoD’s ability to get more involved in the biofuels industry and places restrictions on its plans to develop a military-only unit to conduct espionage, long the bailiwick of the CIA.

    The NDAA places the development of a new U.S.-based missile shield on a slower track than its GOP backers would like. Sources expect a new fight over the proposed East Coast missile shield this spring and summer, when lawmakers begin work on the 2014 Pentagon policy bill.

    The NDAA clears the Pentagon to spend $552.2 billion in base budget monies and another $88.5 billion on ongoing global wars and other operations.

    The total amount is $1.7 billion above the Obama administration’s 2013 Pentagon budget request, which arrived on Capitol Hill earlier this year.

    The conference panel dubbed the legislation “an incremental step to address the $46 billion decrease when considering where the president proposed national defense [spending] would be for fiscal year 2013 in last year’s budget,” according to a summary of the compromise bill released late last month.
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    Today Feinstein plans to introduce a bill to the Senate. It has to go to committee and it can be pushed to the top of the list. That bill will probably hit vote around March if everything goes well for the anti-gunners. Once it is voted on - and the House side has their bill, pushed through committee, then they confer, match the bills up and send it to the President. He has 10 days to sign or veto (fat chance a gun bill will be vetoed).

    End of March
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    Hmmm... Beware the Ides of March...

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    There was much more Ryan. Unfortunately, I didn't write it all down. If I had you and everyone else probably would say "Oh! My!" or words to that effect.

    I suspect that there will be an increase of activity from the anarchists around March as well - because it's starting to warm up around then in some areas of the country (not so much NY per se, but other places south). So I freely predict they will be kicking up a shit storm about something, someplace - and I think the Leftists will be out there in force with anti-gun signs, calling the NRA "murderer" again, among other stuff.

    The attention will be on that while Sequestration kicks in and a crap ton of people are suddenly and summarily laid off. The media won't even mention it at first, except in passing. Then the economy will take a might nose dive.

    That's what I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    After careful and thorough consideration for the question posed by this thread, I state, "Yes. America will be no more soon".

    A lot of things are coming to fruition for the Lefties of the world. And most of them will hit sometime around March of this year. I can't say I realized this until it was pointed out to me, but the time line makes sense.
    This reminds me of a message I heard a pastor give having a dream on 12-28-11 about Obama winning the election over Romney (this was long before Romney was even nominated as the Republican candidate) and staying in power.

    In this dream America had bombs going off all over the country, destroying much of it. He saw people stand outside their homes weeping and holding each other. Then he heard someone say, "this should never have happened, this should never have happened."

    Then he was standing on the back side of the White House, he heard a voice say, “Look toward the Truman Balcony.”

    H
    e turned and saw Barack Obama standing on a balcony, holding a shot gun. He heard a loud scream... really loud. He turned to see where the scream came from and flying high in the air above was an eagle, it appeared so majestic flying over Washington D.C. (The pastor did not know there was a balcony called the “Truman Balcony.”)

    He saw Barack Obama point the shotgun and shoot the eagle out of the air, it fell dead to the ground. Obama smiled and said, "I've done it, and I won't have to deal with this in my administration."

    Then he saw a very old table in Washington D.C, it looked as if it had been used over many years to sign many important documents in the past. I saw a voting ballot laying on this table with two names on it. It had “Barack Obama” and “Mitt Romney.” I saw a check mark beside Obama’s name. These words were written at the bottom of the ballot.

    This same pastor just had another dream on 11-24-2012, he saw Obama standing behind his desk in the oval office and put his foot on the body of the fallen eagle and twist the head of the eagle 3 times and pulled it off. Then he saw into Obama's chest and around his heart was a swirling black cloud.

    He asked the Lord, "when would this begin"? He heard a voice say, "after he is sworn in".

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