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    Yep...

    Maybe Cruz can be the President of the new Independent Republic Of Texas instead.


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    Eh, the fat ankles hasn't sung yet.

    We won't know until we know. Not to mention, I still think Trump can win vs Hildebeast. As long as he goes in there and torpedoes the government either through effective executive action or sheer incompetence, I'm good. He can't be any worse than the communist Kenyan usurper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malsua View Post
    ...I still think Trump can win vs Hildebeast. ...
    Totally agree. Hillery carries an awful lot of baggage, even for Democrats and especially the in-betweeners.

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    I am not so sure about this. I just don't have a working crystal ball either.

    I don't see America standing in 10 more years. Not as we know it today.
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    'Why Not Texit?': Texas Nationalists Look To The Brexit Vote For Inspiration

    Daniel Miller and others draw parallels with what they call Britain’s ill-suited relationship with Europe and frustration in Lone Star state with US government

    June 19, 2016

    How closely is Daniel Miller tracking the news ahead of the referendum about whether Britain should leave the European Union? “Hourly!” he grins. The Sun’s recent editorial calling for the UK’s departure got him quite excited.

    Miller, though, is not from London or Liverpool. He hails from Longview, Texas, and we are talking in a cafe in the bleakly industrial Gulf coast town of Port Arthur, some 5,000 miles from Westminster.

    Culturally, too, we are a long way from Europe. Heck, we are even a long way from Dallas. But the referendum matters deeply to Miller and like-minded Texans. As the president of the Texas Nationalist Movement, which wants Texas to secede from the United States, he is hoping for a Leave vote that he believes will ripple all the way from Austria to Austin.

    “There are a lot of people asking, if Brexit why not Texit?” he says. “I do talk with some folks over there on a pretty regular basis that are involved in Ukip and the Conservative party.”

    The night before we met, Miller addressed a local Tea Party group, drawing parallels between Brexit and Texit, which the TNM is pushing as a hashtag. In Miller’s telling, Britain’s relationship with Europe was a marriage of convenience between ill-suited partners that has become stormy and ripe for divorce on grounds of irreconcilable differences, with too much sovereignty ceded to an ineffective central bureaucracy and too much hard-earned money sent elsewhere.

    “Sound familiar?” he asked the audience. “Nigel Farage, you guys ever heard of him? Look him up on YouTube – trust me, you will enjoy.”

    Added to the near-miss of Scottish independence in 2014, a vote for Brexit on 23 June, Miller tells me, “only helps our case because there is a concrete first world example of a modern democracy having a legitimate and public debate where the people of a country, not the political class, get to vote on how they govern themselves and that will resonate not just through Europe but here as well”.

    The arguments are fundamentally identical, he insists. “You could take ‘Britain’ out and replace it with ‘Texas’. You could take ‘EU’ out and replace it with ‘US’. You could take ‘Brussels’ out and replace it with ‘Washington DC’. You could give you guys a nice Texas drawl and no one would know any different. So much of it is exactly the same.”

    The TNM, based in this humid corner of south-east Texas near the Louisiana border, is the most prominent and best organised of the groups that want the Lone Star state to go it alone, and plausibly asserts that the issue is growing in popularity and gathering more mainstream credibility (or at least, less mainstream ridicule).

    Miller, 42, is a polished advocate who grew up in a politically active household and became frustrated by what he sees as the shackles of a federal government that are stopping Texas from reaching its full potential.

    Buoyed by the rearguard action at the battle of the Alamo, Texas toiled to free itself from Mexican rule and was an independent nation from 1836 to 1845. But its fiercely solitary spirit did not fade when it became part of the union. Texas Independence Day, 2 March, is still an annual state holiday. In 2003 a state law was passed requiring schoolchildren to pledge allegiance daily to the Texas flag as well as the US flag.

    “We come from a heritage of people that carved an empire out of a wilderness. The fact of the matter is that Texas has always been rough. When people first moved to Texas and settled here, you were independent or you died,” Miller says.

    In 1997 a member of a separatist group, the Republic of Texas, was killed in a shootout with police after a standoff in the mountains of west Texas.

    The current body calling itself the Republic of Texas believes that Texas never actually ceded its sovereignty to the United States when it joined the union (some prefer the term annexed) in 1845. “The great deception can be undone – stay tuned,” their website states. They run a parallel system of government, with Republic of Texas identity cards and coins.


    The TNM, meanwhile, seeks secession through political avenues and calls for the people of Texas to decide via a referendum. Miller claims that the group has 260,000 supporters. It has fans in Russia among mischief-makers who would relish the break-up of the United States.

    It also has advocates in the Texas Republican party, even though removing one of the biggest and most reliably red states from the US would make it far easier for the Democrats to win presidential elections.

    Shortly after Obama’s re-election, the White House was forced to respond to a Texit petition that garnered more than 125,000 votes. The answer was no.

    Another petition drive last year to put the matter to a non-binding vote did not gather enough signatures, but secession was debated at the party convention in Dallas last month, a notable moment even though it narrowly failed to make it to a floor vote.

    Jeff Sadighi, a TNM backer, wants “Texas solutions” on hot-button issues such as gun rights, marriage equality and, perhaps above all, immigration and border control. “The bottom line is, the federal government due to their legal structures can only offer one size fits all solutions,” the 54-year-old says. “People in Massachusetts aren’t going to approach challenges the same way we are.”

    What would the country of Texas be like? “I don’t think we’ll have checkpoints at the border with Louisiana,” Miller deadpans. “Trump may have to move his wall a little further north.”

    There are no plans for rival flotillas to clash along the Rio Grande or the bayous of Houston.

    But as efforts to lobby Texas lawmakers to put the matter to a vote continue ahead of next year’s legislative session, Miller is eagerly awaiting this month’s verdict in what he sees as a kindred nation.

    “At a cultural and spiritual level there are a lot of similarities. A fiercely independent spirit. Keep calm and carry on. The stoicism. There’s a sense that when you’re pushed, you don’t just crumple like yesterday’s newspaper, you stand up for what you believe in,” he says. “We are easygoing, we are friendly, but when our core values and principles are threatened, we don’t take kindly to it.”

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    Poll: Three Out Of Five Texans Who Support Trump Want Secession If Hillary Becomes President

    August 17, 2016

    If anyone needs proof that the presidential race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton truly is dividing the country, they should look to Texas.

    According to poll results from Public Policy Polling released Tuesday, three out of five Texans who support Donald Trump said they would support seceding from America if Hillary Clinton becomes president.

    Data from the left-leaning polling firm shows that Trump leads Clinton by a margin of 50 percent to 44 percent in Texas. This is far from the landslide win for Mitt Romney in the 2012 election. Four years ago, Romney beat President Barack Obama 57.2 percent to 41.4 percent.

    According to the polling results from PPP, only one out of four Texans support seceding from America generally. But when faced with the possibility of a President Hillary Clinton, a majority of Trump supporters said they'd rather leave.

    PPP is known for asking offbeat and sometimes humorous questions. In December, the firm discovered 30 percent - about one out of three - Republican primary voters supported bombing Agrabah, the fictional Arabian city from the Disney film Aladdin. The survey didn't ask if people knew Agrabah doesn't actually exist.

    PPP found Texans overall have an unfavorable opinion of both candidates (59 percent for Clinton and 53 percent for Trump).

    When independents "candidates" Deez Nuts and Harambe (a gorilla at the Cincinnati Zoo who was put down after grabbing a child) were included, Trump came out on top at 47 percent. Clinton got 38 percent while Deez Nuts got 3 percent and Harambe got 2 percent.

    As for President Obama, 54 percent of Texans polled said they disapprove of his job performance. In 2012, 51 percent of the Texans polled said they voted for Mitt Romney, compared to the 38 percent who voted for Obama (11 percent said they don't remember who they voted for).

    Other interesting results from the survey include 30 percent of Texans identifying as moderate, compared to 13 percent identifying as somewhat liberal and 29 percent as somewhat conservative. A small number said they were very liberal (9 percent) or very conservative (19 percent).

    While most Texans identify as Republican (41 percent), 24 percent say they are independent while the remaining 35 percent identify as Democrat.

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    Kentucky Gov: Patriots May Need To Shed Blood To 'Reclaim' US If Clinton Wins

    September 13, 2016



    Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin (R) over the weekend said conservatives may have to physically fight to protect their values if Hillary Clinton is elected president.

    “I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don’t have to do it physically,” Bevin said during a speech at the Value Voters Conference in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.

    “But that may, in fact, be the case.”

    He suggested "patriots" may need to shed blood to "reclaim" the country if Clinton wins.

    "Whose blood will be shed? It might be that of those in this room," Bevin said.

    "It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something that we, through our apathy and indifference, have given away."

    Asked to clarify his statements Monday, Bevin said they were about military sacrifice, according to Kentucky.com.

    “Today we have thousands of men and women in uniform fighting for us overseas and they need our full backing,” Bevin said in a statement.

    “We cannot be complacent about the determination of radical Islamic extremists to destroy our freedoms. Nor can we allow apathy and indifference to allow our culture to crumble from within. We need strong leadership at every level of government to defend our Constitution and our republic. We must fight to preserve the exceptionalism and the promise of America, because America is worth it.”




    Good thing Trump endorsed Mitch McConnell over Bevin!

    At least Kentucky ended up with an awesome Governor instead.

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    #Calexit: California want to leave the US after Donald Trump’s election win

    If you’ve looked at the electoral results map, you’ll notice there’s a bit of a stark difference between the red and the blue bits.
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    That massive blue block on the left – encompassing California, Oregon, Nevada and Washington state – stands out quite a bit against all of the red.

    So it may not be a huge surprise that people living in that Democrat-voting block are now looking at other options – specifically, secession.

    Since Donald Trump’s electoral victory was first announced, #Calexit has been trending on Twitter, with distraught Californians looking to form their own state.

    And although it hasn’t been that long, the idea is really taking off
    Even celeb blogger Perez Hilton is in on the action
    And others are saying Oregon and Washington (and maybe Nevada) should secede too
    One man suggested that the new country could be called ‘Cow’
    So could it actually happen?

    Possibly – there is no specific ban on state secession in the US Constitution. In fact, there’s nothing on secession in there at all.

    Plus, there’s a bit of a legal loophole.

    In the case of Texas v White, the Supreme Court said:

    When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

    Did you notice that last bit? ‘Except through revolution or through consent of the States.’

    If enough Californians want it, there’s a chance it could happen.

    And this is far from the first west coast secession movement in the US – the Cascadia secessionists have long campaigned for a separate state of Cascadia, which mostly spans the Pacific Northwestern states.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/09/calexi...n-win-6245665/

    Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election

    Wednesday, November 09, 2016

    SACRAMENTO – California Senate President pro Tempore Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) and California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount) released the following statement on the results of the President election:

    Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.

    We have never been more proud to be Californians.

    By a margin in the millions, Californians overwhelmingly rejected politics fueled by resentment, bigotry, and misogyny.

    The largest state of the union and the strongest driver of our nation’s economy has shown it has its surest conscience as well.

    California is – and must always be – a refuge of justice and opportunity for people of all walks, talks, ages and aspirations – regardless of how you look, where you live, what language you speak, or who you love.

    California has long set an example for other states to follow. And California will defend its people and our progress. We are not going to allow one election to reverse generations of progress at the height of our historic diversity, scientific advancement, economic output, and sense of global responsibility.

    We will be reaching out to federal, state and local officials to evaluate how a Trump Presidency will potentially impact federal funding of ongoing state programs, job-creating investments reliant on foreign trade, and federal enforcement of laws affecting the rights of people living in our state. We will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal.

    While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is greater than any one man or party. We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.

    California was not a part of this nation when its history began, but we are clearly now the keeper of its future.

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    After Donald Trump victory, Oregonians submit ballot proposal to secede from the union

    By Lizzy Acker | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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    on November 10, 2016 at 10:00 AM, updated November 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM

    Two days after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States, two Portlanders have submitted a petition for a 2018 ballot initiative to have Oregon secede from the United States.

    On Thursday morning, Jennifer Rollins, a lawyer, and Christian Trejbal, a writer, filed the Oregon Secession Act.

    "Oregonian values are no longer the values held by the rest of the United States," Trejbal said over the phone Thursday.

    Those values? "Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness," Trejbal said, "plus equality."

    "Obviously," he said, the ballot proposal "came about partially in response to the election results on Tuesday."

    "But," he added, "it's been developing over time."


    6 maps show what U.S. would look like if West Coast seceded
    Tuesday's election has renewed interest in Cascadia and some are calling for Oregon and California to leave the United States.



    Mark Graves | The Oregonian/OregonLive

    Trejbal said that he and Rollins are hoping to start a serious conversation in Oregon about what it would mean to peacefully leave the United States. They opted for 2018 to give Oregonians some time to really think about what seceding from the union would mean.

    Some Californians have already expressed interest in seceding and the language of the Oregon proposal includes the option to bring other states into a "Constitutional Convention."

    Trejbal said that joining forces with other states like Washington, California and Nevada is "a viable way to go forward."

    These states, he said, "could all get together and form a nation that uphold the values that we share."

    To start the ballot title drafting process, the Oregon Secession Act must receive 1,000 signatures. Trejbal said he and Rollins would be at Pioneer Courthouse Square in Portland on Thursday night to begin the process of getting those signatures.

    You can read the Oregon Secession Act here.
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    Hollywood Actor Michael Shannon Suggests ‘Civil War,’ Tells Trump Supporters It’s ‘Time For The Urn’

    November 18, 2016

    Michael Shannon, whose acting credits include roles in Boardwalk Empire and the movie Revolutionary Road, for which he received an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor in 2008, is currently on a press tour promoting his new movie, Nocturnal Animals.

    That’s not all the actor is doing, however. He’s also quite busy disparaging President-elect Donald Trump and the millions of people who voted for him.

    Without repeating them, here are the vile things Shannon said in an interview published earlier this week:




    And now, Shannon is at it again in this Wednesday interview with Metro News. Here are a few direct quites related to Trump, his supporters, and the election.

    "Basically this man is probably going to destroy the earth and civilization as we know it. It’s kind of terrifying.”

    “These protests are so moving, but ultimately what are they going to accomplish? I’m so glad these kids on the campuses everywhere are going ape s—, but at the end of the day the guy’s still going to be president. Maybe you need a civil war or something.”

    “I don’t want to live in a country where people voted for Trump. I want to live in some other f—ing country. But I don’t want to run away. So we’re just going to have to bust this thing up.”

    “There’s a lot of old people who need to realize they’ve had a nice life, and it’s time for them to move on. Because they’re the ones who go out and vote for these assholes. If you look at the young people, between 18 and 25, if it was up to them Hillary would have been president. No offense to the seniors out there. My mom’s a senior citizen. But if you’re voting for Trump, it’s time for the urn.“

    This actor turned “political thinker” still doesn’t get it, and he never will.

    A “civil war?” “Bust this thing up?” “Time for the urn?” If Shannon were saying the exact same things against Obama and his supporters in 2008, it’s pretty safe to say he’d be UNDER the jail right now. Thankfully, all of his rhetoric, and that of all the other Hollywood types who think the American people really care what they think, does is drive more and more people into the sane, conservative camp.


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    The guy who played General Zod in the recent Superman. I guess he's made the mistake of thinking he actually is Zod.

    Just like Larry Grathwohl warned, these people would walk us straight into the ovens or gulags if they had their way.


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    California’s Democrats Are Ready for Political War

    “We’re going to do everything in our power to protect our people and our values.”


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    The Republicans are about to control Congress and the presidency for the first time in a decade, and they have an ambitious agenda. They’ve promised to undo Obamacare, deport undocumented immigrants, and roll back environmental regulations. The Democrats who run the state government in California aren’t happy. Immediately after the election, state Senate President Kevin de León and his Assembly counterpart, Anthony Rendon, both Latinos from Southern California, sent out a scathing statement in English and Spanish assuring all 39 million Californians that they were ready for political war. “Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California,” they wrote. “We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.”

    Democrats have dominated all branches of California’s government since 2011, when Jerry Brown succeeded Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor. With the largest economy in the U.S. and the sixth-largest in the world, the state enjoys greater independence from Washington than most. It was the first state to adopt its own vehicle emissions standards, in 2002. In 2012, California created the only state-level cap-and-trade system for limiting greenhouse gas emissions after Republicans in Congress rejected a national model. California, which has more undocumented immigrants than any other state, offers them driver’s licenses as well as financial aid for college. It has imposed some of the country’s strictest background checks on firearms purchases. It’s one of three states to provide paid family and medical leave and one of five that require employers to offer paid sick leave. “This is unlike anything we’ve seen in modern political history,” says de León. “We’re going to do everything in our power to protect our people and our values as Californians.”

    Hillary Clinton won more than 61 percent of the state’s vote, a higher share than President Obama won in 2012. Voters approved ballot measures decriminalizing recreational marijuana use, restricting ammunition purchases, and increasing taxes on the rich. The national election triggered a resurgence of California secession fantasies, this time under the hashtag #Calexit—a reference to Brexit, Britain’s vote to leave the European Union.

    State Democrats say there’s plenty they can do short of leaving the U.S. California has long been a net contributor to Washington’s coffers, receiving an estimated 78¢ in federal spending in return for every dollar it sends, according to a study by the Washington-based Tax Foundation, a nonprofit think tank that provides analysis of federal and state tax policies. That gives state leaders potential leverage when it comes to complying with policies it doesn’t like, starting with the deportation of undocumented immigrants.

    From January 2014 to September 2015, California released immigrants considered deportable under federal law in more than 11,000 instances, rather than keeping them in custody for federal agents, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement data obtained by the Texas Tribune. The next state on the list, New York, released people in fewer than 2,000 cases.

    On Nov. 14, Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck said he won’t reverse long-standing department policy blocking officers from doing immigration enforcement, despite Donald Trump’s threats to cut federal funding to so-called sanctuary cities, which offer residents protection from federal agents. “We are not going to work with Homeland Security on deportation efforts,” Beck said. “That is not our job, nor will I make it our job.” San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee has also publicly affirmed his commitment to remaining a sanctuary city, and his office has begun drawing up contingency plans for dealing with a loss of federal funding, says City Controller Ben Rosenfield.

    One of the biggest points of contention between Sacramento and Trump’s Washington will be climate change. The incoming president has called global warming a hoax “created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing noncompetitive.” He’s also pledged to withdraw from the 2015 Paris Agreement, the first legally binding global deal to reduce carbon emissions, and to shred Obama’s Clean Power Plan, which sought to control emissions from power plants.

    Governor Brown has devoted himself to strengthening California’s carbon pollution rules, already the nation’s toughest. “We will protect the precious rights of our people and continue to confront the existential threat of our time—devastating climate change,” Brown said in a statement that also referred to finding common ground with Trump and the GOP where possible. Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf says cities should be willing to uphold the Paris commitments at the local level. “You have 70 percent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions coming from cities,” she says. “If all mayors agree to take action, we can actually render federal action irrelevant.”

    California’s Democrats are also exploring ways to ensure continued access to health care. The Affordable Care Act guarantees federal subsidies for 90 percent of the 1.4 million residents insured by Covered California, the statewide health exchange, and about 5.5 million more Californians now have insurance via the Medicaid expansion made possible by the 2010 law. A repeal, as Trump and Republicans have pledged, would cost the state more than $15 billion in federal subsidies a year, according to the nonprofit Urban Institute. “In theory, California could implement its own universal health-care program,” says California’s insurance commissioner, Dave Jones—though doing so, he warns, would require significant state tax increases.

    One area where Trump may be able to override state objections is his plan for a border wall, although much of California’s border with Mexico is already lined with high fences and motion sensors. Yet there are plenty of policies that Trump won’t be able to disrupt. Take abortion rights: If Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide, were to be scrapped by a new court majority, the issue would revert to states. California leaders have taken steps to expand access to the procedure, and could make the state a haven for women seeking abortions if Roe were to fall. And some ideas that Trump has endorsed, like stop-and-frisk law enforcement policies, are determined at the local level, not by Congress. Says Mayor Schaaf: “I think it is wise to not react too much to things that have not yet occurred, but rather to be prepared and strengthened in the event that they do.”

    The bottom line: More than 61 percent of Californians voted for Clinton, and state Democrats say they’ll block Trump’s policies.

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    Hey Cali, let me help...


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    BarackObama.com: Fight, 'we're not backing down'



    President Barack Obama and President-elect Donald Trump shake hands following their meeting in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Thursday, Nov. 10, 2016. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

    BarackObama.com: Fight, 'we're not backing down'



    By PAUL BEDARD (@SECRETSBEDARD)


    11/19/16 11:12 AM

    President Obama's grassroots Organizing for Action, in a message to supporters, said that voters turned their back on them and it is time respond by fighting "harder than we ever have before."

    Scrapping any intention to work with the new administration, the message from OFA's BarackObama.com said, "we're not backing down."

    The email to supporters was a clear rallying cry to fight the incoming Trump administration, despite Obama's pledge to help the new team.

    OFA's Jeremy Bird said, "If you're anything like me, you're still sorting through the events of the past week and a half. It's hard — there's no way to sugarcoat that. Vulnerable communities are feeling like this country has turned its back on them. And years of hard work are on the chopping block, seemingly overnight.

    "Maybe you're feeling disillusioned, cynical, or frustrated. But now is not the time to walk away — now is the time to get in the ring and fight harder than we ever have before."

    His full email is below:

    If you're anything like me, you're still sorting through the events of the past week and a half. It's hard — there's no way to sugarcoat that. Vulnerable communities are feeling like this country has turned its back on them. And years of hard work are on the chopping block, seemingly overnight.

    Maybe you're feeling disillusioned, cynical, or frustrated. But now is not the time to walk away — now is the time to get in the ring and fight harder than we ever have before.

    Everyone knows what's at stake.

    If you've been an active part of this movement, we need you to double down. If you're just joining us or want a constructive way to start organizing in your community, now is the time to roll up your sleeves and get involved. Don't ever think that you can't make a difference.

    We need you.

    Your voice, your compassion, and your actions have never been more important than they are today, right now. OFA leaders, volunteers, trainers, supporters, and staff are here, and we're not going anywhere.
    Progress is never easy. But we've never been here for the easy fights.

    Let's get to work.

    Never been more fired up. Still ready to go,

    Jeremy

    Jeremy Bird

    Organizing for Action Advisory Board

    Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted at pbedard@washingtonexaminer.com

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ba...rticle/2607836

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    #Calexit secession effort begins signature gathering to be on California ballot



    Published time: 22 Nov, 2016 04:01

    Supporters of Californian independence have taken the first real step towards secession from the US, submitting a ballot proposal to the state attorney general. Should the option garner enough support, 'Calexit' might become an issue.

    A group called ‘Yes California Independence Campaign’ filed their proposal with the attorney general’s office, asking to “prepare a circulating title and summary of the enclosed ballot measure: "Calexit: The California Independence Plebiscite of 2019.”

    Secession supporters want to repeal the California Constitution’s wording as well as offer a “yes/no” question on California’s independence.

    “In the Spring of 2019, Californians will go to the polls in a historic vote to decide by referendum if California should exit the Union, a #Calexit vote,” the group said on its website.

    Before 2019, however, the idea must garner enough preliminary support via the November 2018 ballot. Under the group’s proposal, the Golden State would be cut loose if 50 percent of voters cast ballots and at least 55 percent of them support Calexit. In that case, they also want the “newly-independent Republic of California” to be able to join the United Nations.

    For the separation vote to take place at all, the group first needs to make sure that the state’s constitution is changed.

    As of now, Article III, Section 1 of the California Constitution reads that California is “an inseparable part” of the US, meaning that the so-called Calexit, a take-off of the British Brexit anti-EU vote, is illegal in the first place. This is what Yes California Independence Campaign wants to change and, thus, clear a path to independence.

    Still, the group needs nearly a half-million signatures for the referendum to appear on the November 2018 gubernatorial ballot. It is now asking people to sign a petition for the vote be established.

    President of the Yes California Independence Campaign Louis Marinelli has tried to get the referendum on the ballot in the past, but has yet to reach the 400,000 signatures needed to appear on the ballot. This time, the Yes Campaign supporters are hopeful.

    “We will have six months to collect some 585,407 valid signatures. We're shooting for one million,” they said.

    The group has been around since 2014, but the idea of California’s secession has only gained momentum since President-elect Donald Trump’s victory.



    https://www.rt.com/usa/367752-calexi...ession-ballot/



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    I would LOVE to see California do it. DO it. Do it NOW. If you want to LIVE.... lol

    Fuckers are so God Damned stupid. They have NO fucking idea how to fight with a rolled up newspaper, let alone guns. And they have rolled up newspapers.
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    ‘Calexit’: Yes California movement opens ‘embassy’ in Moscow


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    Hey California,

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    California leaving would soooo screw over the liberals left in the rest of the US. Those 35 electoral college votes are Democrat locked in votes. It's just a given they will go to whatever Democrat candidate. Now they're gone? BWAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAaaa! Suddenly the EC playing field just got a lot tougher for the Left.

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    The Divide Between Red and Blue America Grew Even Deeper in 2016

    November 10, 2016

    Counties that voted for the Republican or Democratic presidential candidate by 20 percentage points or more



    The proportion of voters living in counties that were won in a landslide for the Democratic or Republican presidential candidate has steadily increased over the last seven elections and now makes up a whopping 60 percent of the electorate.

    Nearly all of this 10-point increase from 2012 came from Republicans in rural and small-town America, who swept Donald J. Trump into office.

    For the first time since 2004, the last time a Republican won the White House, the voters in the less populous but more numerous deep red counties accounted for a greater share of the total vote than those in the far fewer but more populous bluest ones.

    In 1992, 38 percent of voters lived in one of these landslide counties, defined here as being won by 20 percentage points or more. This shift reflects the growing tendency of like-minded people to live near one another, according to Bill Bishop, a co-author of “The Big Sort,” a 2008 book that identified this phenomenon.

    Mr. Bishop said Americans have been self-segregating by lifestyle, though not necessarily politics, for several decades, but lifestyle has grown to reflect politics. “We’re sorting by the way we live, think and — it turns out — every four years or every two years, how we vote.”

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