Is This "IT?"

[Backstop]

I'm wondering if we're teetering on the brink of The Big One.

Is the TAA poised to strike us?

The financial future, manufacturing, etc. of this nation looks very bleak, and it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

Now, or in the near future, would be an absolute perfect time to hammer us.

Nukes smuggled in, nukes from shipping containers off the coast, etc.
Russia, China, Venzuela - who knows who all else.

Then bands of roving terrorists causing trouble to those areas not nuked.

They’ll pound us back to the stone age, then walk away, leaving us to pick up the pieces.

So what do you folks think?

I’m not saying it’s gonna happen.

But if I had to guess at an advantageous time frame, it would be soon.

[Backstop]

Man, right now I think the GDP is misleading because as a nation, in 2010 we:

1. Use more than we produce.

2. Spend more than we make.

3. Are worth less than our debts.

4. Can’t pay our foreign debt, and we are borrowing money to pay those loans.

Think of it like our economy is 180 degrees out of phase.

[Ryan Ruck]

I don't think a strike from the TAA is going to happen very soon. Their nations and militaries are still in ascendancy while we are still descending. Right now I think our biggest threat are our "enemies within". I believe the TAA would be content to let us go through a period of internal strife (civil war even?) to weaken us and allow an easier victory for them.

[Malsua]

You are right.



I still prefer to live in Europe than to live in China,dont you agree?

For you the question is:"Do you prefer to live in the USA or live in China?"

I am not sure that the first world debt is the same kind of debt third world has.

Third world debt is of the kind that almost is never repaid and is simply a bargaining chip that those countries use to secure the next "loan".

As to where to live, other than culture, there is no real difference between living in Shanghai, Beijing, Shen Zhen, Hong Kong than there is living in New York City, LA, Atlanta, London, Rome, Paris. The costs are similar and the issues are similar.

The difference is when you get outside of those urban areas. For the most part, you can point to any place within the United States outside of a major urban zone and find a good place to live. The same goes for outside of all the major cities in Western Europe. I love Tuscany, I could plop down there and live out my life growing olives or further south and live on the Amalfi coast and grow Lemons, just as I could return to Ohio and grow corn.

If you point to a spot outside of a major industrial region in China you're moving back in time, 100 years. I've been there. It's disgusting. There are hovels that people live in and grow vegetables pigs and chickens. You could not find a suitable place to live.

So while China may be way up the list in GDP, they are way down the list in standard of living.

[American Patriot]

"It" is POISED to happen. I agree completely with Ryan on the enemy within.

We have millions of illegal aliens in this country. I'm not talking about mama and papa Mexicans with their 3-4 kids either. While they are certainly a drain on the economy, they aren't DANGEROUS.

What is dangerous are the other-than-Mexican illegals. We've got gang members, criminals and almost without a doubt, Islamic terrorists in this country without being caught.

Our true adversaries like Russia and China are indeed on the rise as we decline - and there will come a time when we have reduced our forces to something insignificant. The very idea that we have enough military Navy to out number the thirteen largest nations out there is enough (at the moment) to stymie anyone who would attack us.

All of this said - I think "It" is happening here and now, and we're being slowly desensitized to what is happening around us. FORTUNATELY our public is waking up to the threat within our own country from the Socialists who want to destroy the America we grew up in.

Unfortunately, those people are currently in charge of the Congress.

We will be hit in the middle of the night, most of us will wake up dead and what's left will pick through the rubble looking for loved ones vaporized in the sneak attack. And watch in fear as the tanks from Russia and China, and a few other countries roll through and round up the slaves.

[Backstop]

Peterle - I'll stay right here in the good old US of A. If I had to live in Europe, I'd pick the Little Switzerland area of Luxembourg.

Ryan and Rick - thanks, you brought up some things I didn't think of.

[Ryan Ruck]

Peterle - I'll stay right here in the good old US of A. If I had to live in Europe, I'd pick the Little Switzerland area of Luxembourg.

If I had to, I think I'd pick Malta.



I seriously would not mind taking a vacation there some day.

Italy, especially along the Med coast, wouldn't be a bad choice either.

[Malsua]

I liked Malta. Very dry though.

I think I could take New Zealand too.

[vector7]

Here is some interesting analysis JRN released within a few days after that mysterious ominous thread vanished at TPF containing some of the same information.

Those Who Know Will Understand

Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 17 Sep 2010

According to some experts the U.S. economy is one “event” away from a catastrophic sequence. My own variation on this sequence goes something like this: first, the dollar collapses; second, the government’s response prevents any chance for recovery; third, political unrest and destabilization begins; last, the defensive function of the state fails as external and internal enemies take advantage of the country’s weakness. This sequence would likely be nonsense if it were only my sequence.

Unfortunately, it is a sequence dreamt up by Soviet strategists as far back as the 1960s. It was the entire basis of the Soviet strategic blueprint of half a century ago. The writings of at least two Soviet Bloc defectors suggest that this same blueprint dictated the controlled “collapse” of Communism in Eastern Europe from 1989-91. This would differ from the uncontrolled collapse of capitalism that Soviet strategists also anticipated.

The self-destructive course of bourgeois society is something Communists are well equipped to envision. They are ready to denounce the selfish “individualism” of capitalist society, the disintegration of community, the dire consequences of untrammeled greed. But America’s demise is mediated by other factors, nearly all of them enumerated in George Washington’s Farewell Address: “As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit,” said Washington. “One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible.”

He further advised Americans to avoid “likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burden which we ourselves ought to bear....”

American leaders make policies that fly in the face of Washington’s advice. The government spends way too much money, and will continue to spend too much money. Look at what is happening today. There are numerous entitlement programs, and government is expected to pay until the system is totally bankrupt.

It is therefore foreseeable that the U.S. military will collapse when the U.S. financial system ultimately fails. Even our enemies recognize this, and look forward to it.

Under the current regime, the American people seem determined to consume the seed corn meant for tomorrow’s harvest.

So the enemy asks himself, "How can America be pushed over the edge? How can the process of unraveling be hurried along?"

Nine years have passed since terrorists destroyed the World Trade center and burnt the Pentagon. The terrorist cause was Islam, supposedly. The purpose of the attack was economic sabotage, most definitely.

One might say that America was pushed as it strolled along the edge of an economic abyss. It is in this context we should consider the allegations of former KGB/FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko, who said the KGB was behind al Qaeda.

Litvinenko claimed that Ayman al-Zawahri, the number two man in al Qaeda, was a longtime KGB agent. What lends credence to Litvinenko's claim is the well known fact that the Kremlin poisoned Litvinenko with radioactive polonium 210.

The substance used to kill him was ridiculously expensive and exotic, indicating a government sponsored assassination. Major media outlets have confirmed the conclusion of official inquiries; namely, that Litvinenko was assassinated by Kremlin agents.

A curious addendum to Litvinenko’s testimony was broadcast on Echo of Moscow on 9 September 2010. A former member of the Russian parliament, Konstantin Borovoy, gave an interview to Tatyana Felgenhauer in which he revealed something related to 9/11 -- something that supports Litvinenko's allegations. Describing the 1999 terrorist attacks in Russia that enabled Putin and his FSB/KGB colleagues to take power, Borovoy indicated a conspiracy at the highest levels; specifically, he said the attacks were a method used to stop the advance of freedom and capitalism in Russia.

The KGB had to reassert itself, and justify a gradual return to Soviet methods, by organizing terrorist acts that would be blamed on Muslims from Chechnya. Borovoy hoped the Russian people would catch on. He hoped they would realize who the real terrorists were; but this did not happen. "Actually," said Borovoy, "the [political] tactics or technology [of manipulation], which was tested through the bombing of the apartment houses [in 1999], worked.

Every time an attack happens, people are frightened; and much of society responds very simply. They rally around the centers of power. "Borovoy then pointed to information indicating that the KGB was also behind the terrorist attacks of 9/11."

When the apartment bombings happened in September of 1999 I held a press conference," said Borovoy, "I got hold of very serious intelligence.

It happened to contain data ... about the U.S., which I gave to the FBI."

The contact who provided this "serious intelligence" indicated that the FSB was, in fact, behind the apartment bombings.

But there was more.

"Besides that," Borovoy explained, "he also provided me with information regarding the United States.

This information, in 1999, sounded totally absurd. He told me that someone named bin Laden was going to torpedo skyscrapers with Boeing airliners."

When Borovoy learned about the bin Laden story, as ridiculous as it sounded in 1999, he felt obligated to say something to the Americans.

So when he was traveling in the United States a month later, he wanted to convey the information without sounding ridiculous. He therefore approached the Americans with an apology in case the information sounded crazy: Osama bin Laden was going to hit American skyscrapers with airliners. "I gave them this information," said Borovoy. "And would you believe, this exact thing happened in two years?"

So how did Russians in Moscow know about 9/11 two years in advance?

If Borovoy is telling the truth, there is only one likely answer to the question. The Russians had long prepared something known by the General Staff as "the overture," which was described by GRU defector Viktor Suvorov as a series of large and small operations the purpose of which is, before actual military operations begin, to weaken the enemy's morale, create an atmosphere of general suspicion, fear and uncertainty, and divert the attention of the enemy's armies and police forces to a huge number of different targets, each of which may be the object of the next attack." [Spetsnaz, p. 196]

According to Suvorov, the overture is carried out by special services agents of satellite countries and by "mercenaries recruited by intermediaries." The method employed in these operations is known as "grey terror." In Suvorov's words, this is a "kind of terror which is not conducted in the name of the Soviet Union. " Moscow does not leave its visiting card. Instead, other people's cards are used. "The terror is carried out in the name of already existing extremist groups not connected in any way with the Soviet Union, or in the name of fictitious organizations."

During the period of grey terror, Russian sabotage operations "should be regarded as natural disasters, actions by forces beyond human control, mistakes committed by people, or as terrorist acts...." Attending the terror campaign, there will also be a disinformation campaign intended to destroy the authority of the government. Plausible scandals will be created out of nothing. Generals and politicians will be driven to suicide. The KGB and GRU will dust off their old files -- especially files on the most powerful people in the West. These men and women, above all, will be targeted for destruction. Methods will include slander and innuendo. "The main victims now are the people whom the Soviets had tried to recruit but failed. Now carefully edited and annotated materials get into the hands of the press," noted Suvorov.

Soviet intelligence has tried to recruit thousands, even tens of thousands, of people in its time. They include young lieutenants who have now become generals and third secretaries who have now become ambassadors. All of them rejected Soviet efforts to recruit them, and now Soviet Intelligence avenges their refusal. [Spetsnaz, pp. 197-8]

Imagine the confusion and erosion of authority that will attend this last phase of the operation. The most trustworthy people will be distrusted.

Those who were actually recruited by Soviet Intelligence, will be the only figures apparently free from scandal. The peace movement will simultaneously gain prestige. Those who suspect Moscow will lose all credibility. Finally, when grey terror has served its purpose the Russians and their Communist allies will resort to open warfare: "Red Terror."

If you think "the overture" is fantasy, you are sadly mistaken. What Suvorov described in his book, written in the mid-1980s, is the very real plans of real men -- deadly enemies of the United States, determined to destroy America forever. Konstantin Boroyov is merely one witness out of many, telling you the same story. Litvinenko told this story more directly, and was poisoned. Boroyov offers a few facts, and hopes that people will "wake up." Of course, he knows they won't.

Related to this, a suggestive item recently appeared in an American newspaper, the Savannah Morning News. Effingham County Sheriff deputies arrested three men (two from “former” Soviet Russia and one from “former” Soviet Kazakhstan) near a power plant on Old Augusta Road at 1 a.m. Sunday morning, 5 September.

The men were in possession of a machete, shovel, wire cutters and ski masks. According to the Savannah Morning News, one of the men “had black silk stockings in his front left pocket.” Of course, all three were released after being interviewed by officials of the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The job of Soviet spetsnaz (special forces), who train in the United States under the guise of "tourists," is to infiltrate the U.S. prior to a nuclear war and take out key targets.

These would include power plants, city water supplies, government leaders, etc. They are also tasked with burying nuclear weapons on American soil in advance of a war. If you look at Old Augusta Road on a map, it is located about two miles east of the McIntosh Combined Cycle Plant in a rural wooded area.

So let us imagine this situation: three young male tourists from the “former” Soviet Union, of military age, driving a Nissan Pathfinder at 1 a.m. on a Sunday morning with ski masks and black silk stockings, a shovel, wire cutters and a machete. Their destination is not a nightclub or bar. They are driving to "the end of the road." From their tools one may expect they will be cutting their way through brush, digging a hole, and cutting wires.

One more thing: Old Augusta Road has power lines running along its length. In the following passage, read what GRU Col. Stanislav Lunev says about Russian nuclear devices maintained on U.S. soil:

Setting up one of these devices is complicated.

The bombs need a small amount of power to keep them safely in storage.

For example, the GRU specialist might have to run a very small wire to an electrical source, such as a power wire, and then attach it to the weapon. The wires can be run as far as one hundred yards or more from the weapon. The wires are small enough that they would easily break if someone tampered with them or tried to follow them to their source.

In case there is a loss of power, there is a battery. (Through the Eyes of the Enemy, p. 26)

According to Lunev, GRU operatives have been sent to find hiding places for Russian nuclear weapons on American soil.

One of these weapons, the RA-115 portable nuclear weapon, is intended for use against American leaders and other targets of strategic importance at the outset of a war. As Lunev explained, “it is surprisingly easy to smuggle nuclear weapons into the U.S., either across the Mexican border or using a small transport missile that can slip by undetected when launched from a Russian airplane.”

Related to the suspects' possession of a shovel, GRU defector Suvorov explained that the shovel (or spade) is the “principle weapon” of Soviet spetsnaz. According to Suvorov, a shovel is an excellent device for torturing prisoners, “to cut off ears and fingers, to hit the victims in the liver and perform a whole catalogue of unpleasant operations on a person under interrogation.”

Through all of this we are led to suspect that Russia is preparing to attack the United States. Along with Communist China, it is only logical that the Russians are waiting for the collapse of the U.S. economy. They hope that Americans will turn against each other.

They further hope that America's defensive systems will stop being serviced. Undoubtedly Americans are not acting wisely. The U.S. government is spending too much money. We continue to slide toward bankruptcy.

In closing, I would like to quote from a courageous blogger in Moscow. I am not a Cassandra. I am not into conspiracy theory, not even close.

But at the end of July 2001 I was expecting that somewhere on earth somebody was preparing for a devastating terror attack. I have my own system to figure things out. I observe, analyze, and draw conclusions.

What I mean is that from the middle of 1990 I noted that as soon as a certain Very Important Person [VIP] starts to frequently appear on [Russian] TV, a terror attack follows. Either a suicide bomber in Israel, or an explosion of a pipeline ... I was never building any graphs with data.

My method is based on observing this particular snout on the TV screen.

Then I start thinking, ‘Who is going to die this time.’ And I am never wrong. As soon as this particular VIP appears with a certain frequency on the TV screen, something very bloody happens.

It is important to know that this particular VIP is a top flier in the special services [KGB/FSB]; so this character suddenly starts to crawl across the TV screen in July 2001 and remains there through all of August; and this is what I was thinking: Is it going to be a war?

Because this character can do it. On September 11, 2001 around 5 p.m. Moscow time, I realized that again I wasn’t mistaken.

This snout never appears on TV for nothing; so those who understand have no doubt about who I mean in particular. Intelligenti satis et sapienti sat.

Among brave freethinking Russians, this commentary was recognized as one of the best blogs of the day at http://www.besttoday.ru/subjects/225.html.

[Backstop]

Interesting, eh?

[Backstop]

Interesting article, eh?

[vector7]

Yes indeed!

What I mean is that from the middle of 1990 I noted that as soon as a certain Very Important Person [VIP] starts to frequently appear on [Russian] TV, a terror attack follows. Either a suicide bomber in Israel, or an explosion of a pipeline ... I was never building any graphs with data.

My method is based on observing this particular snout on the TV screen.

Then I start thinking, ‘Who is going to die this time.’ And I am never wrong. As soon as this particular VIP appears with a certain frequency on the TV screen, something very bloody happens.

It is important to know that this particular VIP is a top flier in the special services [KGB/FSB]; so this character suddenly starts to crawl across the TV screen in July 2001 and remains there through all of August; and this is what I was thinking: Is it going to be a war?

Any guess as to who the VIP mentioned by the Muskovite blogger is that appears on Russian TV presages just before a terrorist act happens somewhere in the world?

[Backstop]

Any guess as to who the VIP mentioned by the Muskovite blogger is that appears on Russian TV presages just before a terrorist act happens somewhere in the world?

Don't know, but they're asking that question here: http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzo...showtopic=2257

[American Patriot]

No guess. Who is it?

[vector7]

For those who didn't get a chance to see the mysterious vanishing thread it's tucked away here.

[Backstop]

The blogger is "oranta",she didnt revealed the VIP name.


oranta
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Hey!!!
She posted it on 2010-09-11!

She's kinda cute.



Is this a good translation?

Exactly 9 years ago

Был вторник 11 сентября 2001.

It was Tuesday 11 September 2001.

По дороге с работы мне позвонил муж и сказал включить телевизор.

On the way to work I called my husband and said turn on the TV.

Я включила.

I turned.

В телевизоре по всем каналам показывали невероятное - в Твин Тауэрс врезаются самолеты.

The TV is on all channels showed incredible - in the Twin Towers crash into planes.

Вот одна башня уже горит, вот еще один самолет врезается в другой небоскреб.

Here's one tower is already burning, here is another plane crashed into another skyscraper.

В обоих башнях работали мои соученики по бизнес-школе, перебравшиеся в Америку.

Both towers have worked my classmates at the business school who had moved to America.

Оба остались живы - просто потому, что их рабочий день начинался не в 8 и не в 8-30, а в 9.

Both were still alive - simply because of their work day did not start at 8 and not in 8-30, and 9.

Оба видели все это вживую и рядом с собой.

Both have seen it all and live close to each other.

Я не Кассандра.

I'm not Cassandra.

И ни на минуту не конспиролог.

And not for a moment conspiracy.

Но с конца июля ожидала, что где-то в мире готовится крупный теракт.

But with the end of July, had expected that somewhere in the world is preparing a major terrorist attack.

У меня своя система распознавания таких событий.

I have my own system of recognition of such events.

Просто я наблюдаю, сопоставляю и делаю выводы.

I just observe, compare and draw conclusions.

В частности, с середины 1990-х заметила, что когда на экране телевизора начинает мелькать Одно Очень Известное Лицо, в мире случается теракт (смертник в Израиле, взрыв скважин или трубопроводов в Ираке) или захват заложников в Чечне.

In particular, since mid-1990 noted that when the TV screen starts flickering One very famous person in the world happens to attack (suicide bomber in Israel, an explosion of wells or pipelines in Iraq), or the taking of hostages in Chechnya.

Графиков с датами я не строила, но вот увижу эту рожу на экране и думаю - где же рванет на этот раз?

Schedules with dates I can not build, but now I see this face on the screen and think - where are the jerk this time?

И ни разу не ошибалась - после появления этой известной ВИП-персоны какая-нибудь гадость непременно случалась.

And never wrong - after the appearance of this famous VIP guests any filth certainly has happened.

Поскольку эта ВИП-персона давно имеет самое прямое отношение к спецслужбам, неудивительно это.

Since this VIP person has long had a direct relationship to the secret services, it is not surprising.

Так вот.

So.

Сей персонаж внезапно вылез на экраны в конце июля 2001 и мелькал в ящике ежедневно весь август.

This character suddenly came out in theaters in late July 2001 and flashed in the inbox every day the whole of August.

Ну, подумала я, неужели будет война?

Well, I thought, surely there is a war?

С такого станется.

With this will happen.

11 сентября 2001, примерно в это время дня, около пяти по московскому времени, я поняла, что опять не ошиблась.

September 11, 2001, around the time of the day, about five, Moscow time, I realized that once again made no mistake.

ЭТА рожа просто так на экране не появляется.

ETA mug just like on the screen does not appear.

В общем, intelligenti satis et sapienti sat - понимающему достаточно, чтобы понять, о ком это я.

In general, intelligenti satis et sapienti sat - understands enough to know about someone is me.

[Malsua]

So basically no one knows the mystery person?

[Backstop]

That's how I'm reading things.

[Backstop]

So basically no one knows the mystery person?

JRNyquist posted this 26 Sep 2010:

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzo...pic=2257&st=20

I wasn't able to get hold of Veronica when writing the column about "the snout." So it didn't feel right to mention "the snout's" real name. Since she lives in Moscow, I foresaw the possibility of trouble, since she has been threatened with psychiatric incarceration. But now she has disappeared after sending an email last Thursday in which she expressed fears for her personal safety. Every attempt to reach her since then has come to nothing. She is not on skype. She has not posted on her site. She does not respond to emails.

The snout she referred to is Yevgeny Primakov, former prime minister and foreign minister of the Russian Federation, former chief of KGB foreign intelligence (SVR), friend of Middle East dictators, orientalist, Arabist, friend of Islam, originator of the BRIC alliance, master strategist, top player in the Communist Party Soviet Union underground. He is a very big player, also mentioned by Victor Kalashnikov last summer in the following context:

He typed a semi colon there hinting at more text, but there isn't any. That is his entire post.

[vector7]

Here's what Kulthur posted on Primakov:

or...

The Primakov Doctrine -- The Missing Link between Russia and Iraq?

The "Primakov Doctrine": Russia's Zero-Sum Game with the United States

and...

Primakov Doctrine Aims at Global Role for Russia -- With or Without Yeltsin

MOSCOW -- While Boris Yeltsin lies waiting for a triple-bypass operation, an old hand has quietly taken charge of Russia's foreign relations. Foreign Minister Yevgeny Primakov has abruptly reoriented Russia's foreign policy -- and his own travel itinerary -- towards the Middle East and the former Soviet republics.