Texas Shooting:Colorado Man shot By Mexican Pirates Near Border

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Crimesider October 1, 2010 2:05 PM Falcon Lake, Texas Shooting: Search for U.S. Man Feared Killed By Mexican Pirates Near Border

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=11823346

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David Michael Hartley, right, believed shot by Mexican pirates on Falcon Lake. (Personal Photo)



ZAPATA, Texas (CBS/AP) A Texas sheriff has requested the help of Mexican authorities to find the body of American tourist David Michael Hartley, who was believed shot in the back of the head on Falcon Lake Thursday after being ambushed by armed boaters.


Texas Parks & Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox said Friday that authorities continued searching the U.S. side of the recreation spot, about 60 miles south of Laredo, for the 30-year-old man.


Hartley and his wife, Tiffany, were riding personal watercrafts back from Mexico on the lake around 2:45 p.m. Thursday when approximately six gunmen approached in two boats and opened fire, said Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez.



Though it is unclear what exactly happened to Hartley, the sheriff said he was apparently shot when the couple attempted to flee after they spotted the boaters. His wife was not hurt and reportedly tried circling back to pull her husband from the water, but she was forced to speed away to U.S. waters after the gunmen opened fire again.



The shooting renewed warnings of pirates on Falcon Lake where there have been five run-ins with the bandits this year, according to Cox.



Gonzalez said the boats followed Hartley's wife beyond the U.S. boundary and the pirates "acted very boldly." He said the couple rode over to Mexico for sightseeing and to take photos of a famous relic in Old Guerrero.



Hartley and his wife moved to McAllen, Texas, from the Mexican border city of Reynosa about five months ago and planned to return to their native Colorado in two weeks, according to Gonzalez. Mexican authorities in Reynosa have been in turmoil with warring drug cartels in recently, but Gonzalez said he believed the shooting was a random attack.



"I would think that, right now, the prudent boater would want to stay on the Texas side," Cox said Thursday.



Cox said the state will issue an advisory Friday alerting boaters to stay on the U.S. side of the lake, a popular site for bass fishing and water skiers.



Gonzalez said he contacted the Mexican consulate and asked them to search for Hartley, but said there was nothing else he could do.

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Oct. 8, 2010 New Blood Evidence Found in Lake Pirate Attack

Sheriff Reports Blood on Tiffany Hartley's Life Vest Supports Her Account of Attack on Falcon Lake

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6938718.shtml

• Tiffany Hartley, left, and family members, lay a wreath near the site where her husband, David Hartley, was shot last week, on Falcon Lake, Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2010 in Zapata, Texas. Hartman was shot by Mexican pirates on Falcon Lake last week as they were returning to the United States on jet skis. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

(CBS) Zapata County's sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez has told CBS News he has blood evidence from the lifevest of Tiffany Hartley, the wife of David Hartley, that supports her account of a pirate attack on a lake that straddles the Texas-Mexico border.

CBS News correspondent Don Teague reported on "The Early Show" this evidence is in addition to witness testimony that supports Tiffany Hartley's story that her husband was shot in the head by pirates on Mexico side of Falcon Lake.

David Hartley is presumed dead, and officials on both the U.S. and Mexican sides of the lake are searching for his body.

Gonzalez told Teague he believes the Hartleys were attacked by enforcers of the Zeta drug cartel. The Hartleys, Gonzalez says, were innocent victims of a bloody drug war.

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PICTURES: Tiffany and David Hartley

Escorted by heavily armed federal agents, CBS News took a boat ride to the border with Gonzales Thursday.

Gonzalez said, "There are problems along the border. Whether you admit it or not there are problems and it's spillover violence."

The sheriff's objectives were to show that the American side of Falcon Lake is safe, and to deliver a message to the drug cartel that controls the water, and land beyond the border.

Gonzalez said, "What I've told them is, 'I need a body. Give me a body, guys, and everything will go away. Give a body guys and the news media will go away.'"

Gonzales fears the same cartel enforcers who killed David have permanently hidden his body.

He said, "The body has been disposed of. They have it somewhere they've gotten rid of the body so there's no evidence."

But that's not something Tiffany Hartley is ready to accept, and says she's only now beginning to grieve.

Tiffany Hartley said, "At certain times there's points where you do feel like this is it. I'm never gonna see him again. He's gone. And then at other points he's gonna be walking through that door."

Doubt has been cast on Tiffany Hartley's story by Mexico officials, but she told CNN recently she would take a lie detector test if people continue to doubt her account of the attack.

Teague added on "The Early Show" that search for David Hartley's body in cartel-controlled waters is so dangerous for Mexican authorities, they had to briefly suspend searching for a time on Wednesday. He added, the good news, there has been no report of any actual violence against searchers and the search was back on Thursday and expected to begin again Friday.

On "The Early Show" Congressman Ted Poe, (R-Texas), who has been involved extensively in this case as well as ongoing border issues, said he has requested from the State Department that Americans search the Mexican side.

He said, "The Mexican government said yes, then backed off and said, 'No, we don't want the Americans over here.' We need to use the American resources that we have, because that area of the lake is controlled by the Zetas, there is an island on that lake where the Zetas really operate, the drug cartels. If we mean business about trying to recover David Hartley's body we need American involvement and the Mexican government needs to be relentless to find it. They are intimidated now, they really won't go near the area where the Zetas operate."

"Early Show" co-anchor Harry Smith said, "We need to stop and pause a second because even the Mexican authorities themselves are clearly not in control. It's the drug cartel that is in control because…the Mexican authorities backed away when they were threatened."

Poe agreed, saying, "That area of Falcon Lake on the Mexican side, all the way to the American edge of the water is controlled by the Zeta cartels. They bring those drugs into the United States, usually at night by high-speed boats, and they operate -- that is their operation -- and the Mexican government hasn't been able to stop them, won't stop them, refuses to or cannot, whatever the situation is, and they control that area. The government, neither government, controls that area, the drug cartels. And we're being held really hostage by the drug cartels on that area of the lake."

Smith added that while there has been some doubt cast on Tiffany Hartley's story, this is not the only reported incident of violence on this lake.

Poe replied, "American fishermen, fishing both on the American side of the lake and on the Mexican side of the lake -- you can get a permit to do that -- have been robbed by pirates on the lake, some of them have been taken to the Mexican side, stripped of all of their clothing and their valuables and their boat and left stranded there. This is the fifth time since May there's been some type of violence -- but the first homicide."

Poe said he'd like to see the United States to have more involvement in the search.

"The United States needs to use our resources, the Coast Guard. That needs to be operating on the lake at all times, not just this time," he said. "We have been very lax, in my opinion, as a nation, of protecting the entire southern border of the United States, including Falcon Lake. We don't protect it. We wait for something to happen, and then we just sit back, as a nation, and wait for someone else to react. We need to cooperate, need better cooperation with the Mexican government, but need to have really the military presence on the southern border, and that includes putting the National Guard throughout the border, including the Air National Guard, if we are serious about protecting Americans and American property, and keeping the drug cartels out of the United States."

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Rally Friday In Colo. For Man Killed By Pirates

David Hartley Missing On Texas-Mexico Border

Deb Stanley, 7NEWS Producer
POSTED: 6:35 am MDT October 8, 2010
UPDATED: 6:53 am MDT October 8, 2010



DENVER -- Family and friends of David Hartley will hold a rally in Denver Friday to bring awareness to Hartley's murder.Hartley, 30, of Loveland, moved to McAllen, Texas, for a job at an oil field service firm. His wife, Tiffany Young-Hartley, 29, reported they were jet skiing on the Mexican side of Falcon Reservoir Sept. 30 when they came under fire from suspected pirates.Young-Hartley said her husband was shot and killed. His body has not been found.The rally will be held at 12:30 p.m. at the Mexican Consulate at 5350 Leetsdale Drive, Suite 100 in Denver."This has left the Northern Colorado community that the couple calls home in an outrage," said the organizer in a statement to 7NEWS. "This community of friends and family refuse to believe that everything that can be done has been done and are using this rally to communicate to the Mexican Consulate, Media and hopefully the U.S. State Department, that we will not accept that 'there is nothing we can do' and that 'David may never be returned home.'"Hundreds of people using speedboats, helicopters and all-terrain vehicles searched Thursday at the border lake. Word that the search had intensified came after U.S. officials said threats of an ambush from drug gangs temporarily thwarted efforts. Texas Gov. Rick Perry, campaigning for re-election in Houston, said such threats were no excuse. "I don't think we're doing enough. When you call off the search the way they did ... and give as the reason because the drug cartels are in control of that part of the state, something's not right," Perry said. "We do not need to let our border continue to deteriorate from the standpoint of having drug cartels telling whether or not we can go in and bring the body of an American citizen who was killed. That is irresponsible." Jesus de la Garza, Tamaulipas state deputy attorney general, said late Thursday that Mexican authorities increased their efforts under orders from Tamaulipas Gov. Eugenio Hernandez, whose office was contacted by a member of Perry's staff. Divers also were deployed, de la Garza said. Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said he has no plans to prosecute. "We cannot arrest anybody for what happened in Mexico, we cannot prosecute on the state level anybody for what happened in Mexico. We just want a body," Gonzalez said. "I did send word to the drug cartel, the Zeta cartel in Mexico, I sent word to them unofficially. I can't tell you how but I sent word to them." Gonzalez said he has not received a response.
Previous Stories:

• October 7, 2010: Search On For Man Reported Shot On Texas Border Lake
• October 6, 2010: Memorial Held For Colorado Man Killed By Pirates
• October 6, 2010: Investigators Question Colorado Man's Death By Pirates
• October 2, 2010: Former Colorado Man Gunned Down By Mexican Pirates
• October 2, 2010: New Details On Loveland Man's Death By Pirates

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Private Investigator Says Hartley's Body May Never Be Found
Reported by: Will Ripley
Last Update: 10/07 7:11 am

MCALLEN - A private investigator says the truth may not be found on Falcon Lake.

Raul Reyna Junior says if David Hartley was indeed murdered by the cartels they may have already gotten rid of the evidence.

Reyna says, “The body's not gonna be found. They've already disposed of the body and I'm sure they've already disposed of the Jet Ski."

Reyna says the real story of what happened on the waters of Falcon Lake may only come from informants in Mexico working within the cartel.

He says private investigators pay the informants for information.

Reyna says hiring a private eye may be a desperate family's last hope.

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Holidaymakers are latest victims in Mexico’s drug war

Tourists have become targets in Mexico as the country's drug war spreads to holiday and weekend resorts.



By Nick Allen in Los Angeles
Published: 8:34PM BST 03 Oct 2010


Soldiers patrolling a busy street in Acapulco Photo: REUTERS


In the latest attack, a couple riding jet-skis on a lake straddling the border with Texas were ambushed by an armed gang in speedboats.

David Hartley, 30, an oil worker from Colorado who had taken his wife to see a church on the Mexican side, died after being shot in the head.


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His wife Tiffany, 29, tried to save him but could not lift him out of the water at Falcon Lake and had to flee.
She said: "We saw that they had guns, so we started racing away from them. It's a miracle I'm even here." In Acapulco on Mexico's Pacific coast, a group of 20 Mexican visitors were kidnapped by armed men at the weekend.
More than 200,000 British tourists visited Mexico last year and the Foreign Office warned this week of an upsurge in violence in the northern states of Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas.
It said there had been "some grenade attacks" in Monterrey, a popular base for ecotourism and adventure holidays, and previously an oasis of calm.
At the weekend a grenade exploded and injured 12 people, including four children, in a public plaza there.
In Acapulco violence has spread to tourist strips and half empty hotels have been offering discounts in a desperate attempt to entice visitors back.
In the past it was a destination for Hollywood stars and millionaires including John Wayne and Johnny Weissmuller, who
co-owned a hotel there. It has also been a popular stop for cruise ships including the QE2.
The Foreign Office said: "There has been a recent increase in the number of crimes, murders, fire fights and roadblocks linked to drug turf wars, including in areas away from the US border.
"The security situation is fluid and armed clashes between security forces and drug groups are commonplace in certain areas, and can occur at any time without warning."

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Mexican Mayors: Stop Deporting All These Mexicans, They’re Too Violent and Dangerous!


http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...and-dangerous/

posted at 10:38 am on October 3, 2010 by Cassy Fiano
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In what may be the most snort-worthy post I’ve read recently, Mexican mayors are actually complaining about Mexicans being deported back to Mexico… because they’re too dangerous and violent.
Well, yeah. That’s why we don’t want them here. Because they’re criminals.

conference in which the mayors of four Mexican border cities and one U.S. mayor, San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders, gathered to discuss cross-border issues.
Ciudad Juarez Mayor Jose Reyes blamed U.S. deportation policy for contributing to his city’s violence, saying that of the 80,000 people deported to Juarez in the past three years, 28,000 had U.S. criminal records — including 7,000 convicted rapists and 2,000 convicted murderers.
Those criminal deportees, he said, have contributed to the violence in Juarez, which has reported more than 2,200 murders this year. Reyes and the other Mexican mayors said that when the U.S. deports criminals back to Mexico, it should fly them to their hometowns, not just bus them to the border.
But critics in America say the Mexican lawmakers are simply trying to pass the buck to the U.S. and its taxpayers. They say the Mexicans should take responsibility for their criminals, who are putting both Mexican and American lives in danger.

It’s especially snort-worthy considering that open-borders extremists have recently been spouting ridiculous drivel about how calling illegal immigrants illegal is leading to loads of anti-immigrant violence. Reality, of course, is that violent crimes committed by the poor, sweet, victimized illegal immigrants far outweighs any anti-Latino violence imagined by the amnesty advocates.
And this is, of course, Mexican officials trying to put the blame on the United States instead of taking responsibility for their own citizens. Yes, a large number of these Mexican illegal immigrants are, in fact, criminals, and oftentimes violent criminals at that. That’s why we don’t want them here. That’s why so many Americans want to get tough on immigration — starting with securing the border. You’d think Mexican officials would understand this, considering Mexico’s own strict immigration laws. Could this have anything to do with the Reconquista mindset encouraged by Mexico’s own president?
Speaking of violent Mexicans, Green Room blogger Director Blue reports on another tragic American death at the hands of Mexicans. David and Tiffany Hartley were jet skiing on Falcon Lake, and rode over to the Mexican side to take pictures of a Spanish mission. They were chased by Mexican boats, where Tiffany’s husband David was shot in the head and fell into the water. When she went back to retrieve his body, the thugs held a gun to her head.

Tiffany Hartley told deputies she and her husband David were jet skiing near the town of Old Guerrrero. Hartley told investigators her husband was shot in the head and killed. She says she was forced to leave his body behind as the gunmen fired more bullets at her.
… Hartley did tell authorities after the shooting she got help from a man on shore. The Good Samaritan told deputies he saw the Mexican boats chasing her into US waters. CHANNEL 5 NEWS spoke to the man who stepped up to help Tiffany in those first terrifying moments after her husbands murder.
The Good Samaritan wants to remain anonymous because he fears for his life. He was on the west side of the lake. He goes there once a week, but for some reason he went twice this week.
For him it was just another day on Falcon Lake. The sky was clear, and there were people out having fun. Then, out of the blue he saw a jetski being chased by a boat. Everything would change for the Good Samaritan when he heard Tiffany Hartley rushing toward him. As she sobbed she told him her husband had been shot.
“She could see the gunshots wounds to his head. His brains were falling and he was not breathing,” he said. The man tried to console her. She told him she and her husband David had gone to old Guerrro on the Mexico side of the lake to take pictures of a Spanish mission.
“Three boats approached them, waving guns talking in Spanish,” he said. “They got scared, spooked then they heard the gunshots going on. She could see they were hitting the water and the water was coming up at them. [A]ll of a sudden she sees her husband flying off.”
Tiffany told him she turned around to go take care of her husband, but two pirates went after her jetski. One pirate held a gun to her head. Once he left she tried to pull her husband body onto her jetski but she didn’t have the strength.
She told the Good Samaritan she made an agonizing decision. She left her husband behind because she could see a pirate charging towards her. Her story is forever imprinted in his head.

Authorities believe this was the work of pirates working for a drug cartel, who have often been robbing boaters at gunpoint. This is the fifth violent incident at Falcon Lake in five months, with the worst obviously being David Hartley’s murder.
Why would we want to keep these kind of violent criminals in United States territory? The stance of the Mexican mayors would be understandable if we were abandoning violent American criminals in Mexico. But we aren’t. These are Mexican citizens, meaning they were Mexico’s problem. Americans are already shouldering the burden of harboring Mexico’s worst criminals. These violent criminals are Mexico’s responsibility.
Of course, knowing our current leadership, these Mexican loons will probably get time to complain in front of Congress, where Obama will promptly apologize for the United States selfishness in expecting Mexico to take responsibility for its own citizens.
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Mexico says search for missing tourist intensified


By APRIL CASTRO – 7 hours ago


ZAPATA, Texas — Hundreds of people using speedboats, helicopters and all-terrain vehicles are searching for a missing American tourist presumably shot and killed by Mexican pirates on a border lake, authorities in Mexico say.


Word that the search had intensified came after U.S. officials said threats of an ambush from drug gangs temporarily thwarted efforts.


Tiffany Hartley said her husband, David, was shot to death by Mexican pirates chasing them on speedboats across Falcon Lake on Sept. 30 as they returned on Jet Skis from a trip to photograph a historic Mexican church. Neither his body nor the Jet Ski has been recovered. Texas officials have warned boaters and fisherman that pirates frequent the Mexican side of the lake, a 25-mile by 3-mile dammed section of the Rio Grande.


U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar told reporters that Mexican authorities were doing everything they could while trying to keep their own crews safe.


"When darkness was falling (Wednesday evening), they got word that there might be an ambush," Cuellar said. "People that are trying to do their job on the Mexican side are facing a risk, they're right inside the hornets' nest ... they had to suspend the search."


Cuellar said the search resumed midmorning Thursday.


That part of Tamaulipas state is overrun by violence from a turf battle between the Gulf Cartel and the Zeta drug gang, made up of former Mexican special forces soldiers, and both are battling the Mexican military.


Texas Gov. Rick Perry, campaigning for re-election in Houston, said such threats were no excuse.


"I don't think we're doing enough. When you call off the search the way they did ... and give as the reason because the drug cartels are in control of that part of the state, something's not right," Perry said. "We do not need to let our border continue to deteriorate from the standpoint of having drug cartels telling whether or not we can go in and bring the body of an American citizen who was killed. That is irresponsible."


Jesus de la Garza, Tamaulipas state deputy attorney general, said late Thursday that Mexican authorities increased their efforts under orders from Tamaulipas Gov. Eugenio Hernandez, whose office was contacted by a member of Perry's staff. Divers also were deployed, de la Garza said.


The lake appeared calm Thursday afternoon. From the border markers in the water, the only sign of activity on the Mexican side was a single helicopter, which appeared to be a Mexican military aircraft, flying overhead.


Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said he has sent word to the Zetas that he wants the body returned and has no plans to prosecute.


"We cannot arrest anybody for what happened in Mexico, we cannot prosecute on the state level anybody for what happened in Mexico. We just want a body," Gonzalez said. "I did send word to the drug cartel, the Zeta cartel in Mexico, I sent word to them unofficially. I can't tell you how but I sent word to them."


Gonzalez said he has not received a response.


Cuellar, a Texas Democrat joined by two other area congressmen, said Mexico was "doing the best that they can."


Martin Cuellar, sheriff of nearby Webb County and the congressman's brother, said Mexico started searching for Hartley on Friday, the day after the call about the shooting came in.


Ruben Rios, a spokesman for the Tamaulipas state prosecutor's office, said Tamaulipas authorities have not opened an investigation into Hartley's death because they don't have a formal complaint.


"There isn't a complaint, there isn't a body, we don't have anything to go on and open an investigation," he said.


Henry Cuellar released briefing papers shortly before a joint U.S.-Mexico news conference that said U.S. consular officers had accompanied Tiffany Hartley to the Mexican consulate in McAllen, Texas, to file a Mexican federal complaint. But no complaint with state authorities had been filed that would trigger a local murder investigation.


Drug war violence has spread in the last few months from Ciudad Juarez, the epicenter of Mexico's drug war across from El Paso, Texas, to the Gulf Coast region of Mexico, including Tamaulipas state where Hartley reportedly disappeared. Two drug gangs, the Gulf Cartel and the Zetas, are battling for supremacy there and fighting the Mexican military.


Associated Press writers Olga Rodriguez in Mexico City, Juan A. Lozano in Houston and Jeff Carlton in Dallas contributed to this report.

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The criminals have taken the body and removed it, removed the evidence. They've destroyed or sunk the ski.

The government (Democrats) asking yesterday "Why isn't the body floating if he had a vest on" was the most asinine, ridiculous, moronic and naive statement I have ever in my life heard.

Criminals do NOT leave evidence they've killed someone if they don't have to.
They won't have left the flotation device on the man, they'd have cut it off to sink his body.

Or they'd have taken his body and burned it beyond recognition.

They'd take and USE the water ski, sell it, scuttle it, chop-shop it or they would destroy the thing.

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FNC is about to run some woman who thinks there is a VERY GOOD reason to doubt Tiffany Hartley's story about her husband being killed in Mexican waters.

I'm concerned about all this bs of doubting the the woman's story.

Who the fuck makes these people judge? Their job is to find the body, or evidence that he was killed. Their job is to find out if he wasn't killed and maybe just vanished. If the woman is somehow implicated LATER then so be it.

But find the man, find his body, first. Innocent until proved guilty.

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I just saw the Sheriff on CNN saying he'd like Ms Hartley to take a lie detector test. She's increadulous they're asking her to do this, but says she will if that's what it takes for the Sheriff office to believe her.

You have GOT to be freakin kidding me. A lake with a well established history of crime, violence, drug running... and they question if a man was shot.

I personally think they won't find the body now. The cartel pulled it off the lake and it could be 50 miles inland burried in the desert by now in pieces. The JetSki is chopped and in parts in a market in Tiajuana. No doubt some of the Mexican police involved(and it wouldn't take but a few) are on the Cartel payroll and running interference, and the US Sheriff has no authority to go past the border into the crime zone of the southern half of the lake.

The odds of resolution and justice on this case are miniscule.

[Ryan Ruck]

I took one polygraph to get hired for a job not knowing much about them. I've done a lot of reading on them and how they work and believe me, you'd never catch me voluntarily taking one again especially if my freedom hinged on it.

[Toad]

Any reason why, Ryan? Thought it was accurate? Thought it was too easily fooled? Just the nature of the questions?

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I've taken two for a certain agency I won't name (Cuz, honest to God if someone calls me a fucking liar again, I'll kick their ass).... but I had too.

I can see the lady's point of view. She just lost her husband, shot in front of her... like they were going out so he could kill himself or she could murder him. Good grief.

Being called a liar when you're telling the truth is bad enough - disbelieving her story and waiting several DAYS to investigate is CRIMINAL.

[Ryan Ruck]

Any reason why, Ryan? Thought it was accurate? Thought it was too easily fooled? Just the nature of the questions?

To summarize, they can be fooled and people can be trained to fool them. Polygraphers use "countermeasures" but they are not fool proof. Not to mention, the results are subject to interpretation by the polygrapher. Also, as you mention, the nature of the questions.

The short of it is there is no real scientific method to the testing and you can get varying results due to a number of factors.

I wish I could recall some of the sources for the information I read offhand but if you do a little digging searching for polygraphs and their unreliability, you'd be pretty surprised.

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Agreed with Ryan.

They can be fooled.
They are questionable.
The polygraph operator isn't necessarily "unbiased".
I am a free male in the United States - you either take my word for it, or go fuck yourself. If you think I am guilty of something, PROVE IT. And prove it legitimately - not through science tricks, or tricks of the trade. Find the evidence if there IS any and show it.

I have a RIGHT to face my accuser and you can't face a machine that could be flawed, miss-calibrated, misused or abused. I'm an electronics technician by TRADE - I have a HELL of a lot of experience with uncalibrated test gear giving incorrect readings and polygraphs are simple machines made complex.

Human beings certainly have bio-electrical systems and those can be trained, modified, or people can simply be "Nervous" about such things. I had a horrible allergy attack when I went through my polygraph, long before they used computer systems - and they used ink and pens on paper. I sneezed during the interview and couldn't help the allergy (had no meds to take) and it pissed off the guy.

I didn't "FAIL" the test - but they used my allergies as a reason for not hiring.

So screw that shit.

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Oct. 13, 2010 Tiffany Hartley Heartbroken Over Cop's Beheading

David Hartley's Wife Says She Sympathizes with Family of Man Believed to Have Been Killed Because of Search for Her Husband

• Tiffany Hartley on "The Early Show." (CBS)

(CBS) There's still no sign of David Hartley, the man believed to be dead after a lake pirate attack two weeks ago while he and his wife were jet skiing on the U.S.-Mexico border. But now, the search itself has turned deadly.

CBS News correspondent Don Teague reported from McAllen, Texas that Rolando Flores, lead investigator with the Mexican State Police of Tamaulipas was murdered.

Sigifredo Gonzalez, sheriff of Zapata County, Texas, told reporters on Tuesday Flores' head was "delivered to the army garrison … in a suitcase."

Flores reportedly fed information about the case to the media. And it's believed that's why he was slain, Teague reports.

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PICTURES: Tiffany and David Hartley

Tiffany Hartley, David Hartley's wife, said on "The Early Show" Wednesday she is heartbroken that people would kill Flores.

She said, "It's hard because, you know, just last week, I met him and I was sitting right next to him and we were communicating through a translator and you could tell he wanted to help and he was sincere and he was compassionate. And, I mean, he was doing his job ... and my heart goes out to his family, because they're having to go through what we're going through right now."

Teague reported Mexican authorities have denied Flores' murder was directly related to the Hartley case. They say he was also working several other important investigations.

U.S. officials, Teague reported, suspect the Zeta drug cartel is behind both murders. The Zeta cartel is a gang formed by a group of Mexican special forces deserters that is violent and extremely territorial.

Fred Burton, vice president of Counterterrorism and Corporate Security for STRATFOR, an intelligence company, said, "What they were trying to do is let everybody know, from the U.S. government to the Mexican authorities, that this is their geography, this is their gateway into the very lucrative North America market. Stay out."

On "The Early Show" Congressman Ted Poe, (R-Texas), who has been involved extensively in this case as well as ongoing border issues, agreed.

"They are not only trying to send a message to Mexico, they're trying to send a message to the United States to back off, that this is their turf, and they want to make sure that they control it and anybody that tries to interfere will pay the price. And, of course, we cannot be intimidated by the Zeta cartels or anyone else. And, if anything, the United States ought to give more resources to this investigation. Mexico needs to let the United States, also, help them in this investigation. So, we cannot be intimidated but that is their message to the United States and to Mexico."

So will this beheading affect the Mexican authorities' willingness to continue a full-force search for Hartley?

Poe said, "Well, that's the problem that Mexico faces now, whether they're going to back off. And this is not the first time the Zetas have done this type of beheading of law enforcement officers to show that they control the border. The Mexican government and, really, the United States, don't control it, either. But, yes, this is a violent operation, but we cannot just say, 'OK, it's violent, we can't do anything about it.' We need to use all of our resources possible to make sure that we shut down the Zeta cartel and make sure they don't murder any individuals whether they're Americans or whether they are Mexican nationals."

Poe, who asked for American help to search the Mexican side of Falcon Lake, said he hopes the U.S. will make resources available in the search for Hartley's body.

He said, "The State Department, I think, was slow coming to the table on this issue, but this is an international issue. It is a terrorist event that is occurring both in Mexico and the United States, and we should deal with these people as terrorists."

Texas governor Rick Perry also told reporters he hopes Mexican authorities increase their efforts to find Hartley's remains.

That's all Hartley's family wants.

Tiffany told reporters, "We're standing in our faith and standing in belief that we are going to see a miracle here, but we also have to realize maybe that's not going to happen."

On "The Early Show," Pam Hartley, David's mother, said she's hoping a full-force investigation continues.

"I hope the Mexican government pursues finding who did this to (Flores) and make it right. He was trying to make his country better, and it's like they need to find who did this to him, as well," she said.

"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez asked Tiffany, "Are you scared for your own safety?"

She said she doesn't feel frightened right now, but said she would if she were to go to Mexico.

"That decision has kind of been made as a family that that will not happen. I will not go to Mexico," she said. "It's just not safe for me to do that."

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NEW YORK, Oct. 7, 2010 Lake Pirate Shooting Victim's Wife: He's Dead

Tiffany Hartley Says She Doesn't Think He's Alive, Just Wants His Body Returned

• Play CBS Video Video Mexico Ramps Up Search for Jet Skier U.S. Officials are pushing Mexican authorities to search Falcon lake where American Ted Hartley was allegedly shot while jet skiing. Don Teague reports.

• Video Family Hopes to Find Jet Skier's Body Maggie Rodriguez speaks with Tiffany Hartley about the search for her husband who was allegedly shot by pirates on a lake that borders Mexico and Texas.

• Tiffany Hartley on "The Early Show." (CBS)

(CBS) Tiffany Hartley, the wife of missing American David Hartley, said on "The Early Show" Thursday she doesn't believe her husband is alive.

"Unfortunately I don't think he is alive at this time, since we're almost a week since he's been gone. I do believe that possibly they do have him and they're hiding him. And if they would just give us back his body, then we can move on."

Tiffany said she and her husband's family are just trying to survive as they wait, hoping for news that his body has been found.

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Mexico Lake Pirate Shooting Story Questioned
PICTURES: Tiffany and David Hartley

"We're just trying to get through this and you know, being in the media and stuff, it's not easy," she said. "It's not easy to kind of be in the spotlight right now, especially when we're trying to grieve for David and get him home and trying to plan all the services here and in Colorado. We're just in survival mode."

Mexican officials have intensified their search the American, who was shot, according to his wife, while they were jet-skiing on the lake that straddles the U.S.-Mexico border.

CBS News correspondent Don Teague reported on Wednesday, six days after her husband David was allegedly shot and killed by suspected Mexican pirates on Falcon Lake, Tiffany returned to the water, this time, to place a wreath near the site of the shooting to say goodbye to her lost husband and to pray with his family.

Tiffany Hartley said Wednesday, "We know he's out there somewhere and we just wanted to go ahead and leave the flowers where I had lost him."

The tearful goodbye came even as a task force of Mexican police and soldiers searched their side of the lake by boat and helicopter -- a welcome sign after what the Hartley family considers only half-hearted search efforts by Mexican authorities so far.

The American sheriff investigating the shooting suspects his counterparts across the border are afraid of the heavily armed drug cartels that control the Mexican side of the lake.

Sigifredo Gonzalez, Jr., Zapata County sheriff, said, "These individuals possess 50-caliber machine guns, RPG's, shoulder-fired grenade launchers. We don't have that type of weaponry."

Wednesday's search, which failed to find Hartley's body or sign of his jet ski, may have been prompted by increasing political pressure on the Mexican government.

Texas governor Rick Perry appealed directly to Mexico's president, asking him to personally intervene.

Pam Hartley, mother of the missing jet skier, says it's still not enough.

She said, "President Obama, Hilary, they're parents. They know…please negotiate this. All we want is David home."

Tiffany says only when her husband is found and returned will she and his family finally begin to heal.

Tiffany said, "It's very emotional because I know he's out there and we just all want him back."

On "The Early Show" Thursday Tiffany Hartley responded to ongoing questions about her story.

Mexican investigators have questioned Tiffany's story this week, saying they wonder whether the attack took place at all. In a statement, Marco Antonio Guerrero Carrizales, district attorney for the Miguel Aleman Province, wrote, "We are not sure. We are not certain that the incident happened the way they are telling us."

The district attorney questions why his body has not been recovered, particularly because they were told he was wearing a life vest and why there is no sign of his jet ski. In fact, the district attorney contends, no evidence exists that a crime was committed.

Tiffany admitted on "The Early Show" that there is no evidence of a crime because she doesn't know the state of her husband's jet ski -- because it hasn't been found -- and her jet ski doesn't have any bullet holes.

However, she added a witness has come forward that says she was being chased.

She said, "We do have a witness that had seen me racing away from the boat -- or a boat -- I don't know who he saw. But yeah, we do have a witness."

"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez said American police are getting involved, but on the Mexican side, they're saying they wouldn't stand a chance.

"They would be outgunned," Rodriguez said, adding, "Is that discouraging to you? Do you feel they might not be as likely to search because they're afraid?"

Tiffany said, "It is discouraging, yes. They need more manpower and they are asking for more people to come and help them. Currently, right now, we think they have like 40 people or so, we're don't really know for sure how many, but they are probably outnumbered, so we do need -- they do need to get more people to help them."

When asked if she's satisfied with the search response, Pam Hartley replied "no."

She said, "It's like David's not home. So we still need resources. We still need help. We need Mexico and the United States to work together on this. It's like they're our neighbors. It's like neighbors help neighbors. And we need help."

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Oct. 6, 2010 Police: Witness Supports Lake Pirate Chase

Mexico Searches for David Hartley's Body As Police Say They Have a Witness Who Says Wife Was Pursued By Boat

• Play CBS Video Video Witness Backs Mexican Pirates Murder Account A witness has come forward in the alleged murder of American David Hartley by Mexican pirates. Don Teague reports.

• This personal photo from Facebook shows David Michael Hartley, 30, who a Texas sheriff says has been shot by Mexican pirates on Falcon Lake on the Texas - Mexico border. (Facebook)

(CBS) Mexican authorities will search Falcon Lake along the Texas-Mexico border today using boats and military helicopters in their search to find the body of American David Hartley allegedly shot by pirates while jet skiing on the Mexican side of the lake five days ago.

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His wife Tiffany who was with her husband but couldn't save him expressed frustration in an "Early Show" interview on Tuesday that the Mexican government wasn't doing enough to help.

She said, "As far as we know, we don't think they have been looking. And there is -- we understand the possibility that the people who did this probably have him. And that's why maybe they can't find him."

But on Monday, a Mexican official seemed to question whether the attack took place at all.

In a statement, Marco Antonio Guerrero Carrizales, district attorney for the Miguel Aleman Province, writes, "We are not sure. We are not certain that the incident happened the way they are telling us."

CBS News correspondent Don Teague reports that family members have countered by criticizing what they see as a lackluster search effort by Mexican authorities.

And now they may have some support as Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez says he has a witness who saw Tiffany Hartley being chased by men in a small boat.

Father Dennis Hartley told the Associated Press, "I don't think at this time…Mexico is really doing anything."

That should change, according to Gonzalez, who met with Mexican authorities last night. He told CBS News they promised to search all day or until they find David Hartley.

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Investigator in Falcon Lake 'Mexico pirates' attack is beheaded: sources

BY Meena Hartenstein
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, October 12th 2010, 9:38 PM

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Tiffany Hartley (l.) and family members lay a wreath near the site where she says her husband David Hartley was shot.



The lead Mexican investigator working to solve the case of an American allegedly attacked by pirates has been killed, and sources say he was brutally decapitated.


Rolando Flores was the commander of a team of police investigating the disappearance and reported shooting of David Hartley on a Mexican border lake last month.


Ruben Dario-Rios, spokesman for the state prosecutor's office in the area, confirmed his death, telling The Associated Press that authorities "don't know how or why he was killed," and that they "don't have any details on how died."


Flores' headless body was left in a suitcase in front of a Mexican military compound on Tuesday, Texas Rep. Aaron Peña told CNN.


The investigator had been out searching the Falcon Lake area for clues to Hartley's disappearance on Monday, but never made it home.


"Shortly afterward, they found his head in the suitcase," Lesley Lopez, press secretary for U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Tex), told CNN.


Lopez said Cuellar's brother, Webb County Sheriff Martin Cuellar, was her source.
Hartley, 30, was reportedly shot while jet skiing with his wife Tiffany on Falcon Lake, which straddles the Mexico-Texas border.


Tiffany has said pirates appeared, attacked her husband, and continued to shoot as she fled to safety.

David Hartley's body still has not been found.

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Since the incident technically happened in Mexican waters, the U.S. has no jurisdiction over the case and Mexican authorities are handling the investigation.


U.S. officials called on Mexico to push harder on the case last week, and authorities had reportedly named two suspects in the case over the weekend.


But Rios denied knowledge of any suspects on Monday, saying, "We have nothing official about suspects in the disappearance of David Hartley. I do not know where that is coming from."


Cuellar has called the area where the Hartleys were reportedly attacked a "hornet's nest" for the Zetas drug cartel.


David Hartley's father Dennis was deeply saddened by the news of Flores' death on Tuesday.


"I just, I'm in shock about this right now," he told the AP. "I really don't have any hope that David will be found. I really hate other people putting their lives at stake. We don't need more sons lost. If this is true, I'm just really heartbroken that this happened."