Force by a state is no remedy... food for thought

**American Patriot** · October 8th, 2010, 16:25

"The authority of a state can neither be measured nor justified by the material force which it has at its command to enforce obedience. Force is no remedy, nor can it win the loyalty of the governed. Without loyalty the exercise of authority is hindered, confined, rendered ineffective. It makes no difference in the final issue whether power is exercised by a king or by the citizens themselves; for, if it is exercised unworthily, it casts a blight on the flower of loyalty, which is essential to the full exercise of authority. Briefly, it may be said that the State is an ethical institution, and while material force is needed, yet the exercise of that force is conditioned by the fact that it must always be exercised for the good of the community, and in the interests of the higher values. Authority and loyalty must go hand in hand in every State which is worthy of the name." (From Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Part 3, written by James Hastings, and edited John A. Selbie: pp. 251-252).

**Backstop** · October 12th, 2010, 17:16

Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson

"Force is no remedy, nor can it win the loyalty of the governed.

I'm thinking this will be readily apparent when (and if) they actually FORCE people to buy Obamacare.

Neal Boortz briefly touched on that this morning.

He said (paraphrased), "First they'll order you to buy health care, then when you don't they'll fine you. When you don't pay the fine they'll place a lien on your house, and when you don't pay that they'll pull out the guns. Does anyone think they won't use guns on you?"

**Malsua** · October 13th, 2010, 14:02

"First they'll order you to buy health care, then when you don't they'll fine you. When you don't pay the fine they'll place a lien on your house, and when you don't pay that they'll pull out the guns. Does anyone think they won't use guns on you?"

This is my issue with all these government edicts. They ARE at the point of a gun. This is what really really frosts me about property taxes. If you don't pay them, they will fine you, if you don't pay the fine, they will arrest you and jail you, if you resist they will kill you.

I don't understand how it is that the government came to own everything. When did this happen? How is it they can force you off the land you paid for? They didn't pay anything for it, you did, yet they have ultimate say on how the land is to be used? This world is upside down and fucked up.

**American Patriot** · October 13th, 2010, 14:05

This world is upside down and fucked up.

you got that shit right.

**Backstop** · October 13th, 2010, 16:36

Originally Posted by Malsua

This is my issue with all these government edicts. They ARE at the point of a gun. This is what really really frosts me about property taxes. If you don't pay them, they will fine you, if you don't pay the fine, they will arrest you and jail you, if you resist they will kill you.

I don't understand how it is that the government came to own everything. When did this happen? How is it they can force you off the land you paid for? They didn't pay anything for it, you did, yet they have ultimate say on how the land is to be used? This world is upside down and fucked up.

Great post.