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    Peter was showing off his domination of prepositions, and prepositional phrase.
    Also an old "schoolboy" trick we learned from Mark Twain. Plenty to learn if the window's open.

    Denniger has a Kool attitude about the economy. His current market ticker logo is "locked and cocked", or buy lead & brass. He's pretty conventional, & no dummy to charts & analysis. He mentions in the video the obvious, that currency wars could lead to civil war or even "global conflict".

    Even as a kid, I thought "bonds" were shit & I was right. The "ads" show it all. "join forex- 500X leverage. < 80 billion traded on stocks. >20 trillion each day on forex. >
    = little investment in productivity & a huge ponzi scheme by bondgroups & countries.
    That's 250x more money sloshed about on paper schemes than invested in companies.

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    Good stuff here.

    Although no one is gonna heed his words.


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    Merry Christmas- Ben B reminds me of Winny pooh- dippin in the honey & dishin it out.
    But the bees beez comin. None of BB's nor bumpin bama's top side eco theories work.
    who,un,imf,world bank,ecb,frb all pitchin in to save butt on the bond-boys.
    The European Central Bank said on Thursday it would hold three fixed-rate operations between October and December to provide banks as many dollars as they needed, in order to ease any funding crunch over the year-end.
    "The European Central Bank has decided, in coordination with the (U.S.) Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the Bank of Japan and the Swiss National Bank, to conduct three U.S. dollar liquidity-providing operations with a maturity of approximately three months covering the end of the year," the ECB said.

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    definitions:

    forex= xxxx greed for porn, also ancient greek for fucking the pawn//old french- backscrewin the kraut w/ Soros help...

    piigs= udder countries suckin off the tit

    bric= real, rupee, ruble & wanna make $$?- join the club.

    Makes me wonder now how strauss-kahn was derailed for what? "forced fellatio". Huh? Dangerous enterprise.

    Not too shure what's goin down, but it's not a client-consumer side, productivity energizing inflate.

    Reckon top officials, Bama, bb, ecb,imf, wb are coerced by blackmail.

    I decided to edit the smilies for courtesy. They graphically depict how the whipmasters make big dough & share a bit with their clients bb... bank & bond. All 3 characters are worthless sacks of groin tendon. All this "suckin up" to one another & screwin one another up the butt will lead to a fruitless global currency war.

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    I'll post an excerpt from an article later. Taking in mind the recent hints to brvoice...nudges? I always like to hear a personal opinion on an article(s). It "be" turbulent times, specially in the markets_ primary of which are- big banks, big bond cos., big countires & all the former shuttling electronic transfers. Meanwhile the upper middle class is dwindling, middle class struggles & suffers, the lower middle class & poor are getting the whip.


    leverage-hedge-1=50//hmmm. How could the ecb be spreading dollars in coordination with the frb? Where does the money go? Where does it come from?

    O ! I see. The $$ goes to banks & bond cos.

    WROCLAW, Poland (Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner drew a cool response from EU policymakers when he urged them to leverage their bailout fund to better tackle the debt crisis and to start speaking with one voice.
    In a 30-minute meeting with euro zone finance ministers on Friday, Geithner pressed for the 440 billion euros European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) to be scaled up to give greater capacity to combat the bloc's debt malaise, a senior euro zone official said.
    The Treasury said of Geithner's role that he "did not advocate or oppose any specific policy prescriptions."
    One analyst familiar with the proposal said it would involve the EFSF guaranteeing a portion -- perhaps 20 percent -- of potential losses on euro zone debt, so that its capital would effectively stretch five times further.
    Geithner's presence at the meeting underscored the depth of U.S. alarm but ministers were resistant to Washington telling the 17-country euro zone and its finance chiefs what to do.
    "He conveyed dramatically that we need to commit money to avoid bringing the system into difficulty," Austria's Finance Minister Maria Fekter told reporters after the meeting.

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    Sometimes, i confess, i think about jackhammers, or chainsaws and where they belong in reference to "covering butt" on the banks.

    I'm serious. Checking fees- no checks. (boa) Magazine fees (santander).


    My grandmother told stories about the depresion. She had 5 bank accounts later, each with about 5 bucks. No fees. Dealt only in cash. Why did she put 5 bucks in the banks?
    Don't ask me why. Whenever I asked her why about anything- she told me- there aint no why.

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    I've seen pictures of the place you live... yeah, you're kind of a hillbilly. LOL

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    (Reuters) - U.S. trade officials will announce a major trade enforcement action against China on Tuesday, according to a U.S. Trade Representative's office advisory obtained from a business group.

    The advisory, which was distributed to media on a not-for-publication basis, said U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk "will hold a press conference to announce a major trade enforcement action against China."

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    Greek bonds dropped 29%.

    Hong Kong & Brazil are gettin screwed bad.





    India too.



    Here's Taiwan.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/chart?...%3AIND&img=png

    Let's see, Brazil, (soviet Union) Russia- India and China.

    O Russia.



    & red China
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    Major trade enforcement against China?
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    Could be nothing- bama's attempt to trump trump, or gee whiz- Eisenhower got interested in Vietnam over titanium deposits.

    By TOM BARKLEY

    WASHINGTON—The U.S. will announce later Tuesday a "major" trade-enforcement action against China, continuing the Obama administration's more aggressive stance against its second-largest trading partner.

    U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk plans to announce the move at a news conference this morning, his office said, though the target of the action remains unclear.

    U.S. trade officials have been vocal in recent weeks about growing concerns over China's restrictions on exports of rare earths. Tim Reif, the USTR's general counsel, said earlier this month that while the administration doesn't comment on potential litigation, its has discussed those concerns with China's representatives to the World Trade Organization in Geneva.

    The U.S. has already won the first round in a related WTO case on restrictions on exporting other raw materials, which China recently appealed. Mr. Reif said the developments in that case would be an important factor in the decision over rare earths—17 elements key in the production of high-tech products.

    But the administration has shown a willingness to cover new ground when it believes China is seeking an unfair trade advantage. President Barack Obama invoked a rare safeguard against imports of Chinese tires in 2009, a decision that was upheld by the WTO earlier this year.

    The U.S. also took the unusual step of accepting another case sought by the United Steelworkers late last year through a petition process, targeting Chinese subsidies to boost wind-power production. Beijing recently agreed to end those subsidies.

    The trade-enforcement action comes as Congress is preparing once again to take aim at another constant source of trade friction—China's tightly managed currency policy. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said last week he would take up legislation soon aimed at pressuring the Obama administration to take action on Chinese imports in response to its alleged manipulation of its currency.

    In Beijing on Tuesday, U.S. ambassador Gary Locke repeated calls to allow the yuan to appreciate more rapidly, calling it "substantially undervalued."

    The former Commerce Secretary also urged China to remove restrictions across a number of domestic sectors—from health care to financial services—and to beef up intellectual property rights for software and other products.

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    bs- for bama... notice how bama is mentioned so many times- chickenshit.

    United States Trade Representative Ron Kirk

    Announcing Action against China with Regard to Poultry
    Washington, D.C.
    September 20, 2011

    * As Prepared for Delivery *


    “I’m here to announce that the Obama Administration is once again taking action to hold China accountable for commitments that it made when it joined the World Trade Organization ten years ago.

    “Today’s action pertains to what we believe is China’s wrongful imposition of trade remedies against U.S. chicken products. It’s a case that has implications for an estimated 300,000 American farmers and workers throughout the U.S. poultry supply chain.

    “Specifically, today the United States is requesting consultations in the World Trade Organization (WTO) to challenge antidumping and countervailing duties against U.S. chicken products that we will show are inconsistent with WTO rules.

    “USTR General Counsel Tim Reif will provide you with legal details about the case in a moment, so let me offer a few general thoughts about why we are taking this action.

    “From day one of the Obama Administration, we’ve been clear that when it comes to enforcement and China, we have one simple request of our Chinese partners: ‘live up to the promises you made when you joined the WTO.’

    “Since President Obama
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    maybe the fed should buy wuan instead of their own bonds.

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    Ouch. DJIA down 405 right now.

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    Oil taking a huge hit too. Nymex Crude down about 6% and Gasoline down almost 4%.

    Interestingly precious metals are dropping as well. Gold down about 4% and silver down around 9%.

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    DJIA down over 500 now.

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    Global Meltdown: Investors Are Dumping Nearly Everything
    September 22, 2011

    With no solution in sight for Europe and new fears of a global recession, investors dumped stocks and commodities and ran to the safety of U.S. Treasuries.

    Treasury yields, as a result, slipped to historic lows with the 10-year yielding 1.75 percent and the 30-year at 2.86 percent.

    The dollar was also a beneficiary of a massive fear trade that sent U.S. stocks sharply lower, on the heels of steep sell-offs in equities markets around the globe.

    The worst performing stock market sectors mirrored the sell-off in global commodities markets, with materials down 4.6 percent and energy stocks down 4.1 percent.

    Copper, hit by concerns of a Chinese slowdown, tumbled 7 percent to a 1-year low. Gold, usually a safety play, was sold into the maelstrom as investors raised cash. The euro, broke below 1.35, a recent bottom of its range. It was trading in the 1.346 area, an eight-month low against the dollar. The dollar index was 1.4 percent higher.

    "People are finding it really isn't gold. It isn't precious metals. It's not currencies. U.S. Treasuries are where people are flocking to at a time of extreme concern about risk, and we continue to see Treasuries continue to get bid up," said Zane Brown, fixed income strategist at Lord Abbett.

    The selling in risk assets picked up momentum after the Fed's statement Wednesday, in which it characterized risks to the economy as "significant" and noted that "strains in global financial markets" (or Europe) could be a catalyst. Then overnight, a preliminary China manufacturing data showed moderating growth.

    The Fed unveiled the much anticipated "Operation Twist" program in an effort to drive down rates. The program got a lukewarm reception even though the Fed surprised markets with a plan to also buy mortgage securities.

    The Fed intends to swap $400 billion in shorter dated Treasuries for the same amount in the 6-year to 30-year range. For the most part, traders worry the "twist" will do little to help the struggling economy.

    "The Fed will have to go on a publicity tour over the next few weeks, coming out and stating what is the metric by which they will judge this as a success or failure," said Kevin Ferry of Cronus Futures.

    "The metrics we look at—the financial conditions index—it's worse today," Ferry said. Spreads on a whole range of credit market indicators widened, including investment grade corporates, emerging market sovereigns, high-yield corporates, and municipal bonds.

    Brown said he does not see the U.S. falling into recession, as the markets fear.

    "The combination of consumers spending what they can, durable goods improving just at the margin, exports improving just at the margin and what the Fed does to promote lending should help us avoid a recession," he said. Brown said the Fed may spur some increase in bank lending, driving some economic activity.

    "The activity on the part of the Fed is really going to make it difficult for banks to make money unless they start lending. That's what the Fed hopes will happen. Their rationale for doing this is to promote risk taking," he said.

    The lack of resolution on Europe , however, remains the biggest culprit as investors worry the exposure of European banks to the sovereign crisis will kick off a global banking crisis. The EU, IMF and European Central Bank put off until October to determine what will be done about the next payment to Greece, without which it will default. Markets have been disappointed with the lack of a bigger plan of action from European leaders.

    "I think it's about the lack of leadership anywhere in the world. We're seriously distressed about the lack of leadership and constant squabbling in Washington," Brown said.

    The animosity between political parties was once more in the headlines Thursday as the House defeated a spending bill that would keep the government running. Republican majority leader Rep. John Boehner said he expects the bill to pass and blamed Democrats.

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    Looks like the DJIA had a little bit of a pullup out of the nose dive right at close.

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    They are trying to get a new President. LOL
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    Mexico above



    US above

    back to square 1.

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