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    Ok, so here's the deal... I was watching Beck last night and he is talking about a report for the CIA that says the 2008 financial crisis was the result of a three phase financial terror attack. I will repost Phil's link he posted in the other thread to the report:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...g-about-2011-3

    Hope that link works. I will try to post the Bill Gertz column as well.

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    Here is the Bill Gertz column, does a great job explaining what's in the report.

    Financial terrorism suspected in 2008 economic crash

    Evidence outlined in a Pentagon contractor report suggests that financial subversion carried out by unknown parties, such as terrorists or hostile nations, contributed to the 2008 economic crash by covertly using vulnerabilities in the U.S. financial system.

    The unclassified 2009 report "Economic Warfare: Risks and Responses" by financial analyst Kevin D. Freeman, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times, states that "a three-phased attack was planned and is in the process against the United States economy."

    While economic analysts and a final report from the federal government's Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission blame the crash on such economic factors as high-risk mortgage lending practices and poor federal regulation and supervision, the Pentagon contractor adds a new element: "outside forces," a factor the commission did not examine.

    "There is sufficient justification to question whether outside forces triggered, capitalized upon or magnified the economic difficulties of 2008," the report says, explaining that those domestic economic factors would have caused a "normal downturn" but not the "near collapse" of the global economic system that took place.

    Suspects include financial enemies in Middle Eastern states, Islamic terrorists, hostile members of the Chinese military, or government and organized crime groups in Russia, Venezuela or Iran. Chinese military officials publicly have suggested using economic warfare against the U.S.

    In an interview with The Times, Mr. Freeman said his report provided enough theoretical evidence for an economic warfare attack that further forensic study was warranted.

    "The new battle space is the economy," he said. "We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on weapons systems each year. But a relatively small amount of money focused against our financial markets through leveraged derivatives or cyber efforts can result in trillions of dollars in losses. And, the perpetrators can remain undiscovered.

    "This is the equivalent of box cutters on an airplane," Mr. Freeman said.

    Paul Bracken, a Yale University professor who has studied economic warfare, said he saw "no convincing evidence that 'outside forces' colluded to bring about the 2008 crisis."

    "There were outside players in the market" for unregulated credit default swaps, Mr. Bracken said in an e-mail. "Foreign banks and hedge funds play the shorts all the time too. But suggestions of an organized targeted attack for strategic reasons don't seem to me to be plausible."

    Regardless of the report's findings, U.S. officials and outside analysts said the Pentagon, the Treasury Department and U.S. intelligence agencies are not aggressively studying the threats to the United States posed by economic warfare and financial terrorism.

    "Nobody wants to go there," one official said.

    A copy of the report also was provided to the recently concluded Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, but the commission also declined to address the possibility of economic warfare in its final report.

    Officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said senior Pentagon policymakers, including Michael Vickers, an assistant defense secretary in charge of special operations, blocked further study, saying the Pentagon was not the appropriate agency to assess economic warfare and financial terrorism risks.

    Mr. Vickers declined to be interviewed but, through a spokesman, said he did not say economic warfare was not an area for the Pentagon to study, and that he did not block further study.

    Mr. Vickers is awaiting Senate confirmation on his promotion to be undersecretary of defense for intelligence.

    Despite his skepticism of the report, Mr. Bracken agreed that financial warfare needs to be studied, and he noted that the U.S. government is only starting to address the issue.

    "We are in an era like the 1950s where technological innovation is transforming the tools of coercion and war," he said. "We tend not to see this, and look at information warfare, financial warfare, precision strike, [weapons of mass destruction], etc. as separate silos. It's their parallel co-evolution that leads to interesting options, like counter-elite targeting. And no one is really looking at this in an overall 'systems' way. Diplomacy is way behind here."

    Mr. Freeman wrote the report for the Pentagon's Irregular Warfare Support Program, part of the Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office, which examines unconventional warfare scenarios.

    "The preponderance of evidence that cannot be easily dismissed demands a thorough and immediate study be commenced," the report says. "Ignoring the likelihood of this very real threat ensures a catastrophic event."

    The report concluded that the evidence of an attack is strong enough that "financial terrorism may have cost the global economy as much as $50 trillion."

    Because of secrecy surrounding global banking and finance, finding the exact identities of the attackers will be difficult.
    But U.S. opponents in Russia who could wage economic warfare include elements of the former KGB intelligence and political police who regard the economy as a "logical extension of the Cold War," the report says.

    Asked by The Times who he thought to be the most likely behind the financial attacks, Mr. Freeman said: "Unfortunately, the two major strategic threats, radical jihadists and the Chinese, are among the best positioned in the economic battle space."

    Also, the report lists as suspects advocates of Islamic law, who have publicly called for opposition to capitalism as a way to promote what they regard as the superiority of Islam.

    Further Pentagon Low Intensity Conflict office research into possible economic warfare or financial terrorism being behind the economic collapse by the Pentagon's Special Operations and was blocked, Mr. Freeman said.

    The Pentagon report states that the evidence of financial subversion revealed that the first two phases of an attack on the U.S. economy took place from 2007 to 2009 and "based on recent global market activity, it appears that the predicted Phase III may be underway right now."

    The report states that federal authorities must further investigate two significant events in the months leading up to the financial crisis.

    The first phase of the economic attack, the report said, was the escalation of oil prices by speculators from 2007 to mid-2008 that coincided with the housing finance crisis.

    In the second phase, the stock market collapsed by what the report called a "bear raid" from unidentified sources on Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and other Wall Street firms.

    "This produced a complete collapse in credit availability and almost started a global depression," Mr. Freeman said.

    The third phase is what Mr. Freeman states in the report was the main source of the economic system's vulnerability. "We have taken on massive public debt as the government was the only party who could access capital markets in late 2008 and early 2009," he said, placing the U.S. dollar's global reserve currency status at grave risk.

    "This is the 'end game' if the goal is to destroy America," Mr. Freeman said, noting that in his view China's military "has been advocating the potential for an economic attack on the U.S. for 12 years or longer as evidenced by the publication of the book Unrestricted Warfare in 1999."

    Additional evidence provided by Mr. Freeman includes the statement in 2008 by Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. that the Russians had approached the Chinese with a plan to dump its holdings of bonds by the federally backed mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Among the financial instruments that may have been used in the economic warfare scenario are credit default swaps, unregulated and untraceable contracts by which a buyer pays the seller a fee and in exchange is paid off in a bond or a loan. The report said credit default swaps are "ideal bear-raid tools" and "have the power to determine the financial viability of companies."

    Another economic warfare tool that was linked in the report to the 2008 crash is what is called "naked short-selling" of stock, defined as short-selling financial shares without borrowing them.

    The report said that 30 percent to 70 percent of the decline in stock share values for two companies that were attacked, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, were results of failed trades from naked short-selling.

    The collapse in September 2008 of Lehman Brothers, the fourth-largest U.S. investment bank, was the most significant event in the crash, causing an immediate credit freeze and stock market crash, the report says.

    In a section of who was behind the collapse, the report says determining the actors is difficult because of banking and financial trading secrecy.

    "The reality of the situation today is that foreign-based hedge funds perpetrating bear raid strategies could do so virtually unmonitored and unregulated on behalf of enemies of the United States," the report says.

    "Only recently have defense and intelligence agencies begun to consider this very real possibility of what amounts to financial terrorism and-or economic warfare."

    As for Chinese involvement in economic sabotage, the decline in the world economy may have hurt Beijing through a decline in purchases of Chinese goods.

    Treasury spokeswoman Marti Adams had no immediate comment on the report but said her department's views on the causes of the economic crash were well known.
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    Hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of cleaning up the formatting of your post and adding a direct link to Gertz's article at WT.

    Very scary stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
    Hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of cleaning up the formatting of your post and adding a direct link to Gertz's article at WT.

    Very scary stuff!
    Not at all, I thank you sir. Posting via my phone gets a little tricky sometimes, hard to clean things up, so I appreciate the help

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    Not a problem!

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    I read Nyquist's column today and its all about this report. I won't repost column here, I'll assume you all have read or will read it. He also linked to the website of the reports author. I haven't had a chance to look through everything, not sure what to think yet, check it out:

    http://www.globaleconomicwarfare.com/

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    Gross Eliminates Government Debt From Pimco's Flagship Total Return Fund

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    Mar 9, 2011 1:09 PM CT

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    Pacific Investment Management Co.'s Bill Gross. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
    Bill Gross, who runs the world’s
    biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co.,
    eliminated government-related debt from his flagship fund
    last month as the U.S. projected record budget deficits.
    Pimco’s $237 billion Total Return Fund last held zero
    government-related debt in January 2009. Gross had cut the
    holdings to 12 percent of assets in January, according to the Newport Beach, California-based company’s website. The fund’s
    net cash-and-equivalent position surged from 5 percent to 23
    percent in February, the highest since May 2008.
    Yields on Treasuries may be too low to sustain demand for U.S. government debt as the Federal Reserve approaches the end
    of its second round of quantitative easing, Gross wrote in a
    monthly investment outlook posted on Pimco’s website on March 2.
    Gross mentioned that Pimco may be a buyer of Treasuries if
    yields rise to attractive levels.
    Treasury yields are about 150 basis points too low when
    viewed on a historical context and when compared with expected
    nominal gross domestic product growth of 5 percent, he wrote in
    the commentary. The Fed is scheduled to complete purchases of
    $600 billion of Treasuries in June.
    Gross in his February commentary urged investors to reduce
    holdings of Treasuries and U.K. gilts and buy higher-returning
    securities such as debt from emerging-market nations. “Old-
    fashioned gilts and Treasury bonds may need to be ‘exorcised’
    from model portfolios and replaced with more attractive
    alternatives both from a risk and a reward standpoint,” Gross
    wrote.
    Emerging-Market Debt
    Gross last month increased holdings of emerging-market debt
    to 10 percent, the highest since October, from 9 percent in
    January. He cut holdings of mortgage securities to 34 percent
    from 42 percent in January.
    The Zero Hedge website first reported the change in assets
    today. Pimco doesn’t comment on changes in holdings.
    Treasuries returned 5.9 percent in 2010, according to Bank
    of America Merrill Lynch Indexes. The securities lost 0.6
    percent so far this year.
    Ten-year Treasury yields have risen for each of the past
    six months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg, the longest
    run since June 2006, as the economy showed signs of improvement
    and prices of commodities climbed. The 10-year yield fell six
    basis points to 3.48 percent today.
    Gross kept the holdings of non-U.S. developed debt at 5
    percent in February.
    Inflation Outlook
    Gross’ fund has returned 7.23 percent in the past year,
    beating 85 percent of its peers, according to data compiled by
    Bloomberg. It gained 1.39 percent over the past month.
    As the Fed maintains its target rate at a record low range
    of zero to 0.25 percent and has made an increase in inflation a
    cornerstone of its monetary policy, Gross noted that inflation
    may be a bigger factor than many suggest.
    Gains in so-called headline inflation matter more for the U.S. economy than Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke suggests and
    rising oil prices may cut U.S. gross domestic product by a
    quarter to half a percentage point, Gross said March 4 in a
    radio interview on “Bloomberg Surveillance” with Tom Keene.
    “Bernanke tends to think this doesn’t matter -- at least
    in terms of headline versus the core -- we do,” Gross said.
    Pimco’s U.S. government-related debt category can include
    conventional and inflation-linked Treasuries, agency debt,
    interest-rate derivatives, Treasury futures and options and bank
    debt backed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., according to
    the company’s website. The fund can have a so-called negative
    position by using derivatives, futures or by shorting.
    Derivatives are financial obligations whose value is
    derived from an underlying asset. Futures are agreements to buy
    or sell assets at a later specific price and date. Shorting is
    borrowing and selling an asset in anticipation of making a
    profit by buying it back after its price has fallen.
    Pimco, a unit of the Munich-based insurer Allianz SE,
    managed $1.24 trillion of assets as of December.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...e-reports.html

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    I posted the above article because I thought it played into Phase 3 of the supposed attack.

    Also in checking the author's website he says the publicity has been good. He claims he know has more important people involved and more information has come out.

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    I just spent some time on FloppingAces where they have some great analysis of the report and possible attack. Go there and check out what they have to say on Phases 1 and 2. Lots of mentions of Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Russia, Venezuela, etc. Check this site out.

    http://floppingaces.net/2011/03/04/2...hases-1-and-2/

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