Page 76 of 91 FirstFirst ... 266672737475767778798086 ... LastLast
Results 1,501 to 1,520 of 1811

Thread: Syria

  1. #1501
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Kerry defends release of Syria attack videos
    September 09, 2013 - Updated 240 PKT








    PARIS: US Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday defended the publication of graphic videos showing victims of an alleged chemical attack by the Syrian regime that has catalysed an American push for military strikes.

    The videos, posted online Saturday by a US congressional panel, show men and children writhing in pain, apparently foaming at the mouth and vomiting.

    Purportedly taken in the aftermath of the August 21 attack outside the Syrian capital, the footage also aired on US broadcaster CNN and has been condemned as too graphic by critics.

    But Kerry said it was important American lawmakers know "what is at stake" as they debate whether to authorise punitive strikes on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

    "The vast majority of members of Congress, House and Senate, are undecided and that's why the videos are being shown and the briefings are taking place," Kerry said during a visit to Paris.

    "To make sure everybody understands what is at stake," he said. "Those videos make it clear that this is not something abstract... Those videos make it clear to people that these are real human beings, real children, parents being affected in ways that are unacceptable," he said.

    "That is why this is important for people to see."

    The 13 videos were shown to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday, according to the panel's website.

    It said the footage was taken from pro-opposition content posted on YouTube, and carried a warning saying that "viewer discretion is advised."

    Kerry is in Europe trying to secure backing from Washington's divided allies for military strikes on Syria.

    The US Congress returns from its summer break on Monday to consider President Barack Obama's plans for strikes and UN inspectors are to release a report into the alleged chemical weapons attack by the weekend.

    The US accuses the Assad regime of gassing more than 1,400 people to death in the August 21 attack.

  2. #1502
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Obama offers Assad secret deal

    Sets 4 conditions to avert U.S. attack on Syria

    Aaron Klein


    NEW YORK – On the eve of a critical Capitol Hill discussion on Syria and two days before his address to the nation, President Obama has offered Syrian President Bashar al-Assad a way out of any U.S. bombing campaign.


    Informed Middle Eastern intelligence officials tell WND the U.S. passed a message to Assad through Russia offering a deal that would ensure against U.S. military action if the Syrian leader agrees to the following terms:


    • Serious political reforms that will result in free and fair presidential elections.
    • Assad will not be allowed to run in future presidential elections and agrees to step down from power.
    • An international committee will supervise control of Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal.
    • The international community, with U.S. participation, will help rebuild the Syrian army and security services to guarantee participation from all factions of the population. The model for this reorganization is the so-called Dayton plan that has been overseeing the restructuring of the Palestinian Authority security organizations and militias.


    The Middle Eastern security officials told WND that Russia has already objected to the term that bars Assad from running in future presidential elections.

    The security officials further stated the U.S. believes Assad will likely reject the deal.

    The officials said Russian, North Korean and Iranian experts continue to prepare Syria’s military and missile arsenal for the possibility of war, including the contingency of firing missiles at Israel, Jordan and Turkey.

    As WND first reported
    , Iranian and North Korean experts are directing an operations room for the Syrian army ahead of a possible showdown with Western powers, according to informed Middle Eastern security officials.

    The Iranians and North Koreans, based inside Syria, are focusing their efforts on ensuring the viability of Syria’s air defense systems while maintaining the embattled country’s vast missile arsenal, the officials said.

    The officials said Iran has gone so far as to pledge soldiers to Syria if such mercenaries are needed in a confrontation.

    Russian military experts are also participating in the preparation efforts by advising the Syrian army, but Moscow has not met the expectations of Assad’s regime regarding the extent of their involvement, the officials said.

    The Middle Eastern security officials further told WND they have information Iran failed to convince the Hamas command in the Gaza Strip to fire rockets into the Jewish state in the event of a Western attack on Syria.

    The officials believe that if a Western attack against Damascus is surgical and is carried out without the goal of regime change, the Syrians may not retaliate against Israel.

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  3. #1503
    Postman vector7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Where it's quiet, peaceful and everyone owns guns
    Posts
    21,663
    Thanks
    30
    Thanked 73 Times in 68 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    On May 9th, 2013, in front of the Senate, Lindsey Graham admits there will be 2 wars in Syria

    On May 9th THE TIDE OF WAR IN SYRIA CHANGED TODAY

    THE TIDE OF WAR IN SYRIA CHANGED America will be fighting 2 wars in Syria.mp3



    The Pentagon estimates it will take 75,000 “boots on the ground” in Syria to secure the chemical weapons

    September 4, 2013

    Regardless of what Barack Obama is saying he, and not the world or humanity, drew a red line in the sand regarding the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Now that either the Syrian government, or the al-Qaeda rebels we are about to support, used chemical weapons Barack Obama is seeking authorization from the Congress to conduct military operations in the war-torn country.

    The president is assuring the Congress, and the American people, that this will be a limited strike and will include no boots on the ground in Syria, however when John Kerry was pressed on this he hedged his bets:
    It would be preferable not to, not because there is any intention or any plan or any desire whatsoever to have boots on the ground,” Kerry said.
    “But, in the event that Syria imploded, or in the event there was a threat of a chemical weapons cache falling into the hands of” someone who should not have chemical weapons, “then clearly in the interest of our allies … to prevent those weapons of mass destruction falling into the hands of the worst elements,” Kerry said later. “I don’t want to take that off the table an option that might or might not be available to the president of the United States.

    When pressed even further John Kerry stated that “there will not be American boots on the ground with respect to the civil war.” That statement does leave the issue open-ended, doesn’t it? While the United States will not put boots on the ground to interfere with the Syrian civil war it leaves the possibility open that we would actually put boots on the ground for some other issue related to Syria, but for what purpose would that be?

    We may now know the answer to that question.

    Let me ask you a couple of questions: What good does it do to simply send a message to Syria that chemical weapons are not to be used if we leave these weapons in the hands of whichever group comes to power if and when this war ever ends? Shouldn’t the action taken by the United States also include the securing of these weapons if we really want to ensure they are not used again?

    According to this story the Pentagon has already considered this action and is estimating that it will take 75,000 boots on the ground to secure the chemical weapons.

    In addition, it appears as if the resolution now being debated in the Congress might actually allow the United States to put these boots on the ground in spite of what the president, and Congressional leaders, are saying.
    Meanwhile, the draft text of the resolution authorizing President Barack Obama to use force in Syria that is being taken up by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today prohibits the president from putting ground troops in Syria “for the purpose of combat operations”–but appears to leave open the possibility that the president could put troops in Syria to secure chemical weapons.

    “The authority granted in section 2 does not authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces on the ground in Syria for the purpose of combat operations,” says the text of the draft resolution.

    However, Section 2 of the resolution gives the president the authority to use the Armed Forces in Syria “as he determines necessary and appropriate” for a limited set of purposes, including “to protect our allies and partners against the use of” weapons of mass destruction.

    So yes, in spite of what we are being told, it does appear as if the Obama regime, and its willing accomplices in the Congress, are prepared to escalate our involvement in this war far above what we are being led to believe.

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


    Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
    "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
    “You Americans are so gullible.
    No, you won’t accept
    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
    outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of
    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
    until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
    ."
    We’ll so weaken your
    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
    until you’ll
    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
    like overripe fruit into our hands."



  4. #1504
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    More: Russia's foreign minister urges US not to take military action, says President Obama is backing terrorists - @Reuters
    59 mins ago by editor

    John Kerry says Assad could prevent attack by turning over all chemical weapons to the international community within next week - @Reuters
    6 mins ago by editor

    More: Kerry says evidence is compelling that Assad launched chemical weapons attack
    - @AP
    11 mins ago by editor

    John Kerry says rebels do not have scientific capacity to carry out chemical attack, despite regime claims - live video
    18 mins ago by editor

    John Kerry says he had productive and informative talks with Palestinian President Abbas on Sunday - @Reuters
    29 mins ago by editor

    US Secretary of State Kerry says relationship with Britain is special despite the vote in UK parliament on Syria intervention
    - @Reuters
    33 mins ago by editor

    Britain's foreign minister says we must defer further chemical attacks during conference with Secretary of State Kerry
    - @BBCNews
    40 mins ago by editor

    Russia's foreign minister says Russia, Syria urge United States to focus on convening peace talks, not military action - @Reuters
    1 hour ago by editor

    Russian FM Lavrov says the investigation into Syrian chemical weapons must be professional, results must be submitted to UN Security Council
    - @AlArabiya_Eng
    1 hour ago by editor


    Update: Control of chemical weapons in Syria restricted to President Assad, his brother Maher and an unnamed general, Kerry says - @Reuters
    14 mins ago by editor


    When asked if there will be attacks on American interests in the region, Assad says 'you should expect everything' - @CBSThisMorning
    2 mins ago by editor

    President Assad calls on Obama to 'present what you have as evidence to the public, be transparent' on chemical attack - @CBSThisMorning
    4 mins ago by editor

    Syria's Assad denies his forces were responsible for chemical attack, says his own forces came under chemical attack - @CBSThisMorning
    5 mins ago by editor

    'He presented his confidence, he presented his convictions... he didn't present any evidence, nothing so far, not a shred of evidence' Assad says when asked about evidence John Kerry says he has - @CBSThisMorning
    7 mins ago by editor

    'Our soldiers in another area, were attacked chemically' President Assad of Syria says in interview - @CBSThisMorning
    9 mins ago by editor

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  5. #1505
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    America is in danger of going rogue under Obama

    Jeffrey T. Kuhner
    Friday, September 6th, 2013


    President Obama is on the verge of plunging America into another war.

    Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, however, bombing Syria would trigger a regional conflagration — one that potentially could lead to a global war. World War I began in Sarajevo. World War III may start in Syria.

    Hyperbole? In 1914, Europe became engulfed in a bloodbath. The spark was a conflict in a far-off corner of the Balkans. Britain, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey, Russia and eventually, America — all were propelled into a larger war, resulting in the deaths of millions. By issuing reckless ultimatums, arrogant leaders were sleepwalking their nations into disaster.



    Syria is a modern-day powder keg. For over two years, it has been torn apart by a vicious, sectarian civil war. Over 100,000 Syrians have died. Nearly one-third of the population has fled into exile. Iran, Hizbullah and Russia support Syria’s strongman Bashar Assad. The Islamist rebels have the backing of Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Al Qaida. Foreign jihadists have poured in to bolster the ranks of the anti-Assad opposition.

    The conflict pits Shi’ite Alawites against Sunni Wahhabites, Muslims against Christians, and Islamic fundamentalists versus Arab secularists. In short, U.S. military intervention risks dragging in almost every major regional power — including Israel — because Assad’s allies have a vested interest in his survival. Hizbullah has vowed to attack Israeli and U.S. targets in the wake of American military action. Iran has also threatened to rain missiles upon Tel Aviv. Moscow has vowed to increase weapon shipments to Damascus. Bombing Syria will light the fuse that could set-off the Mideast tinderbox.

    Obama is pushing the United States toward a disastrous war for one reason: to salvage his ego. In August 2012, he publicly drew a “red line” in Syria over the use of poison gas.

    The administration claims that Assad’s forces recently launched a chemical weapons attack upon civilians in rebel-held territory, murdering hundreds. To redeem his ultimatum, the president is asking Congress to authorize military force. The House and Senate should vote no.

    Obama risks becoming the 21st century equivalent of Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Josef — a bungling buffoon, whose reckless military aggression triggers calamitous consequences.

    The only justification to go to war is to protect America’s vital national security interests. Assad’s regime is brutal and ruthless.

    But it has not attacked or threatened us. Hence, Obama seeks to wage an illegitimate war. There is no moral or strategic basis to bomb Syria. It is bellicose imperialism masquerading as humanitarian interventionism. The Syrian civil war is none of our business.

    In fact, Obama wants the United States to do the unthinkable: side with Al Qaida — the very group responsible for the mass murder of 3,000 Americans and the worst terrorist atrocity on U.S. soil. Contrary to the claims of Secretary of State John Kerry, the Syrian rebels are not dominated by “moderates”; rather, their ranks are filled with Muslim extremists, who have committed numerous atrocities.

    The Al Qaida-backed jihadists have slaughtered priests, nuns, women, and children. Churches have been burned. Aramaic-speaking Christian communities, dating back to the time of Jesus Christ, are routinely attacked. The rebels’ goal: To cleanse Syria of all Christians. A shocking video reveals an Islamic fighter, after killing a Syrian soldier, cutting out his heart and liver and then eating the organs. Some rebels are engaging in cannibalism. If the U.S. intervenes, we will be allying ourselves with Islamist savages. Such a war would be a permanent stain upon America’s honor — a national disgrace.

    Obama’s argument is not only morally indefensible, but perverse. The president and his supporters are essentially saying that the lives of those killed by poison gas are worth more than those shot, shelled, bombed, burned or hacked to death. Both the pro-Assad forces and the rebels have committed countless war crimes. To simply bomb Assad’s regime amounts to selective indignation, an act of blatant hypocrisy.

    Kerry claims that allowing Assad to get away with employing poison gas will embolden other dictators to use such destructive weapons, thereby threatening global order. Hence, it is imperative — and urgent — that America intervene. This is puerile nonsense. Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser launched chemical weapon strikes upon Yemeni tribesmen.

    Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein gassed countless Kurds — many more than have been allegedly murdered by Assad. Yet, this did not end world civilization.

    In Rwanda, over 800,000 Hutus and Tutsis were butchered in one of the worst genocides of the late 20th century. The weapons of choice: machetes. Sarin gas is not necessary to commit unspeakable atrocities. The only thing required are evil men determined to do evil deeds.

    Obama now says he never drew a red line; the world did. This is patently false. The United Nations, NATO, the European Union and the Arab League — none of them are willing to sanction or join a military attack on Syria. The president’s coalition of the unwilling consists of (maybe) France and the United States. That’s it. The American people are solidly against war. Obama is finding himself increasingly alone and isolated.

    Like a Roman emperor drunk on power, he is becoming dangerously detached from reality.

    Bombing Syria would transform Obama into a rogue president and America into a rogue nation. Congress must stop him before it’s too late.


    Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a celebrated talk radio host at Boston’s WRKO and a columnist for The Washington Times and WorldTribune.com.
    Last edited by BRVoice; September 9th, 2013 at 12:19.

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  6. #1506
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    I think it might be almost time to move this thread over to "The World At War"..... but just a thought.

    Syria Gambit: The Race to War

    Global Research News Hour Episode 35

    By Michael Welch, Prof Michel Chossudovsky, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, and Julie Lévesque
    Global Research, September 07, 2013







    The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the Nation.”


    These were the words of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama recorded in December 2007 [1]

    LISTEN TO THE SHOW



    Length (59:31) Click to download the audio (MP3 format)



    It would appear that the wheels may be coming off the US President’s plan to authorize regime change in Syria as part of a humanitarian gesture.


    Majority opinion is apparently not on the side of the President. [2] A Gallup poll found support for a military strike in reaction to Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons is down around 36%. US State authorities seem to hold little sway with the common citizenry lately.


    As for the mainstream media, it is interesting that they have acted on cue to disseminate unsubstantiated video of the chemical gas attacks in Damascus.


    The same media seem to display nowhere near the same alacrity when it comes to broadcasting or even discussing the footage that captures the brutality of the rebel “freedom fighters” with which the US has allied itself.


    (Caution! The following footage is graphic and very disturbing. Viewer discretion is strongly advised!)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9x2JGENqA&bpctr=1378532451


    US President Barack Obama made it clear months ago that the use, by Syrian President Bassar Al-Assad, of chemical weapons would represent the “Red Line” across which a response by the world community would be warranted. [3] The unveiling of footage of a gas attack dated August 21 would seem to have triggered the call for military strikes.


    Curiously, this apparent chemical weapons attack took place at a time when UN chemical weapons inspectors were in the country at the invitation of the Syrian government.

    Whatever the character of the Assad regime might be, it is difficult to discern the logistical motives of such a move.


    Following the defeat in the British Parliament of a motion to respond militarily to the presumed provocation, President Obama has chosen to seek the backing of Congress before proceeding with the military strikes that he clearly champions.


    Having failed to produce international agreement at the Russia-hosted G20 meeting on how to respond to the Syrian crisis, or even apparently on who was responsible for the gas attacks, Barrack Obama has returned to the United States. He plans to make the case for military strikes in a Tuesday night White House speech.


    That’s right! On the eve of the twelfth anniversary of 9/11, Obama will utilize his exceptional skills as an orator to explain the need to link with the (Al Qaeda-linked) Syrian rebels to subvert the Syrian government. The US Senate and House of Representatives will likewise make up their minds on this solemn anniversary week on whether to go to war apparently in service to Al Qaeda. Or not.


    This week’s Global Research News Hour probes Obama’s Casus Beli, the chemical gas attacks, exposes what is known and documented about the opposition forces, links that understanding with recent prison breaks in Iraq, Libya and Pakistan, and attempts to discern the real motives for the US President’s determination even in the face of opposition from his own political base.


    Michel Chossudovsky is Director of The Centre for Research on Globalization. and Professor of Economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa. His latest book is entitled “Towards a World War III Scenario, The Dangers of Nuclear War”.


    Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury in the Reagan administration. He is chairman of the Institute for Political Economy. His most recent book is From 9/11 to the US War/Police State He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.


    Julie Lévesque is an independent researcher and journalist, and Associate Editor at the Centre for Research on Globalization.


    LISTEN TO THE SHOW



    Length (59:31) Click to download the audio (MP3 format)
    The Global Research News Hour, hosted by Michael Welch, airs on CKUW 95.9FM in Winnipeg Thursdays at 10am CDT. The programme is now broadcast weekly (Monday, 5-6pm ET) by the Progressive Radio Network in the US, and is available for download on the Global Research website.
    Notes
    1) Charlie Savage, Dec. 20, 2007, Boston Globe; http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...ateQA/ObamaQA/
    2) Mario Trujillo, Sept.6, 2013, “ Poll: Support for Syria strike lower than for any action in 20 years” ;
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...#ixzz2eBbo666a
    3) August 20, 2012, White House Press Release, http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...se-press-corps

  7. #1507
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    OpEdNews Op Eds Kaiser Obama - From WWI to WWIII

    By Elliot Sperber (about the author) Permalink (Page 1 of 3 pages)


    Obama in Air Force One by Wikimedia Commons


    When Barack Obama was an inexperienced presidential candidate back in 2008, one question that was repeatedly raised was whether he was qualified to competently carry out the duties required of the executive. Upon announcing that - contrary to Bush's belligerent approach - he favored negotiating with foreign leaders, Obama invoked John F. Kennedy's failed attempt to negotiate with then Soviet premier Nikita Khruschev in Vienna in 1961. Confirming the suspicions of many, Obama's example betrayed a profound lack of knowledge of US history. For, among other things, Kennedy was famously out of his depths in that 1961 summit. Not only did Khruschev bully and belittle Kennedy, in Kennedy's own words Khruschev treated him "like a little boy." Telling New York Times reporter James Reston that Khruschev "beat the hell out of me," and "savaged me," Kennedy added that his dealings with Khruschev at that 1961 summit amounted to one "of the worst experiences of my life."


    Needless to say, John F. Kennedy's foreign relations debacle would not seem a very strong precedent to invoke if one wanted to encourage confidence in one's capacity to handle international affairs.


    Five years later, as Obama trains his tomahawk missiles on Syria -- pursuing a war path certain to lead to further horror for untold Syrians, and the region in general -- one cannot help but wonder whether President Obama is as ignorant of early 20th century history as candidate Obama was of the Cold War.


    Though Obama seems confident that a strike against Syria would amount to a "limited", controlled, conflict, it is hardly arcane knowledge that unpredictability and dissimulation are not only the most elementary of warfare tactics, but invariables of military conflict. As that master militarist Napoleon Bonaparte put it, "War is a lottery, and one should risk only small amounts." In spite of this maxim, however, and Obama's assurances to the contrary, a war with Syria risks very large amounts. Not only does it carry the potential to fuel a long, drawn out conflict in the already destabilized region, anyone paying attention to the Middle East over the past few years must recognize that such a strike could easily lead to thermonuclear war as well. Though this may sound sensationalistic, the probability of such a catastrophic outcome is so real that it should not be dismissed out of hand. As is well known, Israel is not only in possession of nuclear weaponry, the US ally (and the US itself for that matter) has been gunning for war with Iran - one of Syria's most important allies - for years. Pakistan, another nuclear power, has meanwhile stated that it would oppose the US should the latter attack Iran, potentially dragging India, another US ally (and nuclear power) into the fray as well. Seen from this perspective, it is beyond foolhardy to predict a quick, easy outcome - not that that is what Obama actually wants.



    By all accounts, a quick outcome was never the Obama Administration's top goal. Rather than preventing a humanitarian crisis, until recently Obama et al. were primarily interested in keeping the war going as long as possible, encouraging the belligerents to bleed themselves dry. According to the Wall Street Journal, "The Obama administration [didn't] want to tip the balance in favor of the opposition for fear the outcome may be even worse for U.S. interests than the current stalemate." It seems a prolonged war, rather than peace, would, ironically, have created the most stable situation - at least as far US interests are concerned.


    As conditions shifted, however, and insofar as Obama seems to be following the George H. W. Bush, post-Cold War "New World Order" associated with the Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al., Project for the New American Century (one major aim of which is the initiation of war against Iraq, Iran, and Syria, among other nations), there are plenty of reasons to suspect that the US would not shrink from taking advantage of an opening in the fluctuating Syria situation - allowing the US to not only shore up its control of the Middle East, with its vast resources, but to contribute to its encirclement of China to boot.


    Notwithstanding such grand designs vis-a-vis Syria, and with the caveat that one can never really know what is being planned, as the pitch for war intensifies it seems safe to presume that the Obama team does not necessarily plan to restrict US involvement to the "limited scope" heretofore discussed. To be sure, as the New York Times reported, when Saudi and Syrian opposition leaders complained about the potential lack of forcefulness implied by the pledge to deliver limited strikes, John Kerry assured them that language involving limitations was only designed to mollify the US public.


    Additionally, instead of the delay attached to Obama's decision to wait for congressional approval for a US strike leading to cooler, more pacific heads, the delay appears to be producing a predictably contrary effect; instead of cooling down, feelings are heating up. As retired US General Jack Keane told the BBC, goals are being reassessed. Rather than simply talking about restoring a chemical weapon-free norm, talk has turned to not only "deterring" but "degrading" Assad's military capabilities. At the same time that the military is discussing degrading Assad's forces, talk has turned as well to "upgrading" the opposition - all of which sounds far closer to advocating the "regime change" that, just days ago, was dismissed as being outside the "limited scope" of the intended strike.


    In spite of all this, even if the US could, hypothetically, simply and quickly "restore" the chemical weapon-free "norm" which was - in the words of National Security Adviser Benjamin J. Rhodes - the principal rationale for air strikes, and even if US forces could quickly withdraw from the war-zone, there is still no way to ensure that a military intensification of the sort involving missile strikes won't inadvertently widen the conflict.


    Indeed, while Obama's argument in favor of launching a military strike against Syria - specifically his position that his and US credibility is at stake - brings to mind JFK's Cuban Missile Crisis, the parallel is in fact far closer to an exponentially far more severe conflict, one that started nearly one hundred years ago: the first World War. This, however, should not lead one to dismiss all comparisons to the Cuban Missile Crisis; by launching an attack on Syria, Obama would not be merely potentially instigating a world war, he would be setting in motion what could very well amount to a world war fought with nuclear weapons.


    Though this may sound dramatic, it should not really be too contentious a claim. For, in addition to the likely involvement of Israel (and possibly Pakistan), the US - the only country to attack another with nuclear weaponry - has already been using low-grade nuclear weaponry in the region, in the form of depleted uranium, since the 1991 Gulf War. Moreover, in another - though less well-known - capacity that Obama shares with Kennedy, Obama has in fact already brought the world to the verge of nuclear war.

    Though not widely reported, Operation Neptune Spear - the 2011 invasion of Pakistan that resulted in the extralegal assassination of Osama bin Laden - involved violating Pakistan's sovereignty. Because the Pakistanis were unaware of the incursion into their territory, and had good reason to fear that their rivals the Indians (or the US even, in what are referred to as "snatch and grab" operations) could have been seizing nuclear weapons, the Pakistan government was nearly provoked into launching a nuclear strike, precipitating nuclear war.


    In spite of the potential for staggering human harm, like his predecessors Obama continues to assert US hegemony, selectively referencing and selectively enforcing international norms. As he vivifies a pivotal component of the US system of power, this should really not seem too out of the ordinary, nor should it seem strange that Obama should increasingly come across as a veritable pastiche of presidents past. Beyond his nods to Reagan and Lincoln, his Nixon-esque war crimes, and the aforementioned JFK resemblances, it has been widely noted that Obama's claim that Syria is using "weapons of mass destruction" echoes Bush II's similar, 2003 claim.

    Moreover, the legal argument for bombing Syria absent UN sanction is also remarkably similar to the argument Clinton - and NATO - put forward for bombing Kosovo absent UN approval in 1999. In that purportedly humanitarian mission, NATO forces attacked the Serbs, notoriously inflaming the conflict there as well as exacerbating harm to civilians. Yet while the present situation is indeed similar to the conflict involving Kosovo and Serbia, it may in fact be related less to the NATO bombing of Kosovo than to events that transpired in Serbia nearly a century earlier. For inasmuch as the present tangle of alliances creates an extremely volatile situation, Syria resembles Serbia in 1914, at the time of the Austro-Hungarian invasion that triggered World War I.


    Ninety-nine years ago, the multi-ethnic Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled over not only a large expanse of Central Europe, but over a considerable portion of the Balkan Peninsula as well. Controlling much of this territory since the 16th century, by the early 20th the Austro Hungarian Empire was sandwiched between its ally, the German Empire, and its rivals, the Russian and Ottoman empires. When the nationalistic furor of the late 19th century infused its client-states with a desire for national autonomy, the Slavic Kingdom of Serbia - allied with their fellow Slavs, the Russian Empire - was not alone in agitating for political independence. And when the nationalist assassin Gavrilo Princip shot and killed the Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914, he set off a chain reaction of alliances and counter-alliances that brought all of the major powers to war with one another.


    When the Austro Hungarian Empire invaded Serbia to punish its regicidal transgression, the Russian Empire - a Serb ally - was drawn into war against the Austro Hungarians. And since the Russian Empire was allied with France and Great Britain in their Triple Entente as well, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and its allies - the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire (from whose conquered territory Syria would be carved) found themselves at war with the French, British, and Russian empires. Fueled by nationalistic sentiment, and by imperialist competition for economic expansion, as well as for natural resources, like oil, the ensuing offensives quickly engulfed the world in one of the most devastating wars of human history.
    1 | 2 | 3

    http://hygiecracy.blogspot.com
    Elliot Sperber is a writer, attorney, and contributor to hygiecracy.blogspot.com. He lives in New York City.

  8. #1508
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Troubled waters: Naval forces line Syrian shores

    Published time: September 06, 2013 16:12
    Edited time: September 07, 2013 13:06 Get short URL

    USS Mahan (DDG 72) (AFP Photo)

    Tweet
    Share on tumblr



    Trends
    Syria unrest Tags
    Conflict, Military, Navy, Russia, Security, Syria, USA, War

    Mounting pressure for a Western strike on Syria has seen naval forces both friendly and hostile to Damascus build up off the embattled country’s coastline.
    The potential of a US strike against Syria in response to an August 21 chemical weapons attack in a Damascus suburb gained steam on Wednesday, when a resolution backing the use of force against President Bashar Assad's government cleared the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on a 10-7 vote.
    President Obama has decided to put off military action until at least September 9, when the seemingly recalcitrant US House of Representatives reconvenes to vote on the measure.
    Following the August 21 Ghouta Attack, which killed anywhere between 355 to 1,729 people, the diplomatic scramble to launch or stave off a military strike on Syria was mirrored by the movement of naval forces in the Eastern Mediterranean, off the coast of Syria.
    The deployment of US and allied naval warships in the region has been matched by the deployment of Russian naval warships in the region.
    While the Western vessels have in many cases been deployed in the event a military strike against Syria gets a green light, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia’s naval presence is needed to protect national security interests and is not a threat to any nation.
    Below is a brief summary of the naval hardware currently amassed off Syria’s shores.
    USA

    The US Navy has five Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers off the coast of Syria, which its top admiral says is “fully ready” for a wide range of possible actions.
    The USS Ramage, USS Mahan, USS Gravely and USS Barry are each armed with dozens of Tomahawk cruise missiles, which have a range of about 1,000 nautical miles (1,151 miles) and are used for precise targeting.
    The ships are also equipped with surface-to-air missiles capable of defending the vessels from air attacks.
    On August 29, the USS Stout was sent to relieve the USS Mahan, but a defense official told AFP that both ships might remain in the area for the time being.
    Adm. Jonathan Greenert, the chief of naval operations, told an audience at the American Enterprise Institute on Thursday that the US ships are prepared for what he called a "vast spectrum of operations," including launching Tomahawk cruise missiles at targets in Syria, as was done in Libya in 2011, and protecting themselves in the event of retaliation, AP reports.
    In addition to the destroyers, the United States may well have one of its four guided missile submarines off the coast of Syria. At one time these subs were equipped with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Nowadays, they are capable of carrying up to 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles.
    It was also announced on Monday that the US had deployed the USS San Antonio, an amphibious transport ship, to the Eastern Mediterranean.
    The USS San Antonio, with several helicopters and hundreds of Marines on board, is “on station in the Eastern Mediterranean” but “has received no specific tasking,” a defense official told AFP on condition of anonymity.
    The deployment of the USS Antonio comes despite promises from President Obama that no amphibious landing is on the agenda, as the US has ostensibly ruled out any “boots on the ground.”
    While the wording of the draft resolution set to be put before the House does not permit a ground invasion, the wording of the text could potentially allow troops to carry out non-offensive operations within Syria, including securing chemical weapons stockpiles and production facilities.
    On Monday, it was also announced the USS Nimitz super carrier had moved into the Red Sea, though it had not been given orders to be part of the planning for a limited US military strike on Syria, US officials told ABC News.
    The other ships in the strike group are the cruiser USS Princeton and the destroyers USS William P. Lawrence, USS Stockdale and USS Shoup.
    The official said the carrier strike group has not been assigned a mission, but was shifted in the event its resources are needed to “maximize available options.”

    The USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier and strike group is also in the northern Arabian Sea.
    Russia

    Russia, Syria’s longtime ally and primary arms supplier, has its only overseas naval base located in the Syrian port of Tartus, which has reportedly been used to support Russia’s growing number of naval patrols on the Mediterranean. However, Russia insists recent efforts to bolster its naval presence in the region are not in response to Western threats of a military strike.
    Reported movements of many Russian ships in the region are coming from anonymous Russian defense ministry sources and have not been confirmed. RT contacted the Russian Navy to ask for confirmation of the reported ship movements, though no comment was forthcoming.
    On Friday, for example, the large landing ship, Nikolai Filchenkov, was reportedly dispatched from the Ukrainian port city of Sevastopol for the Russian Black Sea port of Novorossiisk, from where it is eventually expected to reach the Syrian coast, a source told Interfax News Agency.
    "The ship will make call in Novorossiisk, where it will take on board special cargo and set off for the designated area of its combat duty in the eastern Mediterranean," the source said.
    RIA news agency quoted an unnamed senior naval source as saying on Friday that the frigate, Smetlivy, would leave for the Mediterranean on September 12-14, and the corvette Shtil and missile boat Ivanovets would approach Syria at the end of the month.
    The Russian destroyer Nastoichivy, which is the flagship of the Baltic fleet, is also expected to join the group in the region.
    Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov, who was unable to comment on specific reports, said on Thursday the Russian navy currently had a "pretty strong group" there.
    "The Russian navy does not intend to take part directly or indirectly in a possible regional conflict," he told the state Rossiya 24 broadcaster.
    "Our navy vessels are a guarantee of stability, guarantee of peace, an attempt to hold back other forces ready to start military action in the region."
    Also reportedly in place in the eastern Mediterranean are the frigate Neustrashimy, as well as the landing ships Alexander Shabalin, the Admiral Nevelsky and the Peresvet.
    They are expected to be joined by the guided-missile cruiser Moskva.
    The Moskva, set to arrive in a little over a week’s time, will take over operations from a naval unit in the region.
    "The plans of the naval unit under the command of Rear Admiral Valery Kulikov had to be changed a little. Instead of visiting a Cape Verde port, the cruiser Moskva is heading to the Strait of Gibraltar. In about ten days, it will enter the eastern Mediterranean, where it will replace the destroyer Admiral Panteleyev as the flagship of the operative junction of the Russian Navy," a source told Interfax on Wednesday.
    Panteleyev incidentally, only arrived in the east Mediterranean Sea on Wednesday after leaving the Far-Eastern port city of Vladivostok on March 19 to join the Russian standing naval force as its flagship.
    The SSV-201 reconnaissance ship, Priazovye, is also reportedly on its way to join the group in the Eastern Mediterranean. Accompanied by the two landing ships, Minsk and Novocherkassk, the intelligence ship passed through the ‘Istanbul Strait’ on Thursday, which helps form the boundary between Europe and Asia.
    FRANCE

    On August 31, French military officials confirmed the frigate Chevalier Paul, which specializes in anti-missile capabilities, and the transport ship, Dixmude, were in the Mediterranean. French officials denied they are in the region to participate in military action against Syria, but were rather taking part in training and operation preparations.
    Despite their presence in the region, France currently has no ship-based missiles, so any offensive action would come from the air in the form of long-range Scalp missiles, similar to those the nation used in Kosovo in 1999 and in Libya in 2011, Time reports.
    Italy

    Two Italian warships set sail for Lebanon on Wednesday in a bid to protect 1,100 Italian soldiers in the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, Syria’s southeastern neighbor, Agence France Presse reported.
    The Italian ANSA news agency reported that a frigate and a torpedo destroyer boat departed from Italy's southeastern coast on Wednesday and would provide additional protection to the soldiers in the event the Syrian conflict further deteriorates.
    UK

    As of August 29, the Royal Navy's Response Force Task Group was deployed in the Mediterranean as part of long-planned exercise Cougar 13. The force includes helicopter carrier HMS Illustrious, type-23 frigates HMS Westminster and HMS Montrose, amphibious warship HMS Bulwark and six Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships.
    The Trafalgar-class nuclear submarine HMS Tireless was also believed to be in the area at the time, after it was detected in Gibraltar.
    On the same day that British media started touting Britain’s “arsenal of military might” which would be available in the event of intervention, British Prime Minister David Cameron lost a vote endorsing military action against Syria by 13 votes. In light of the shocking parliamentary defeat, Foreign Secretary William Hague said the UK would only be able to offer the US “diplomatic support.”
    The UK’s Conservative Chancellor, George Osborne, confirmed that the UK would not seek a further vote on action in Syria.

  9. #1509
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Alright, even Congress is jumping on this bandwagon.

    I don't believe Iran has the capability, or even weapons to "nuke" Charleston. ******** is bandying this rumor around - but Graham is saying it's a fact now.

    Lindsey Graham: Attack Syria Or Iran Will Nuke Charleston

    There’s a reason U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (RINO-S.C.) refuses to show up for public meetings unless they are attended by his hand-picked supporters: He knows only a pre-selected group of ”sheeple” will sit in silence and swallow his increasingly shameless fear-mongering.


    At an invitation-only breakfast for establishment Republican types in Mount Pleasant, S.C. this week, Graham said that if America doesn’t take military action against the regime of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, Iran will acquire a nuclear weapon by the end of 2014.


    “I believe that if we get Syria wrong, within six months – and you can quote me on this – there will be a war between Iran and Israel over their nuclear program,” Graham said, according to U.S. News and World Report.


    But the fear-mongering didn’t stop there. Graham says this conflict will come home to – of all places – Charleston, S.C.


    “It won’t come to America on top of a missile, it’ll come in the belly of a ship in the Charleston or New York harbor,” he said.


    Wait … what?


    We’ve heard some over-the-top excuses in support of American military intervention in the Syrian civil war, but this one takes the cake.


    As we’ve stated repeatedly, our government had no business getting involved in Syria in the first place and has no business escalating that involvement through direct military intervention. The American people don’t want this war. Our allies don’t want this war. Our generals don’t want this war.


    More to the point, there is no compelling national interest served by getting involved.


    “The national defense is a core function of government outlined in our constitution,” we wrote recently. “But in no universe is intervening in this conflict – on the side of terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda, no less – acting in defense of those interests. Intervening would, however, encroach on the sovereignty of another nation, incite anti-American fervor in the Middle East and fundamentally make our people less safe.”

  10. #1510
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Graham's Hawkish Posture Confronts War-Weary Voters in South Carolina

    Senator weighs pushing for unpopular missile strike as his re-election opponents wait in the wings

    By David Catanese

    September 5, 2013 RSS Feed Print MT. PLEASANT, S.C. -- As one of the leading advocates for bipartisan immigration reform, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., had already firmly affixed himself to one cause deeply unpopular with conservatives heading into a re-election year.
    [POLL: Most Americans Oppose Military Strike in Syria]
    Now as a war-weary Congress weighs a military strike in Syria, he finds himself championing another policy that risks antagonizing the base.
    Graham is on board for launching targeted missile strikes in Syria to diminish its chemical weapon capacity and assist the rebels who have been stuck in a three-year slog with President Bashar Assad that's resulted in more than 100,000 dead.
    Next to Sen. John McCain, there's no more forceful and visible advocate for a muscular response. Graham half-jokes about his ubiquitous appearances on the cable networks to talk foreign policy, but says he's a highly-sought out guest because "I speak with an accent, but without a doubt."
    Nonetheless, as he seeks a third term in 2014, Graham appears fully cognizant of the risks of his hawkish posture.
    "My problem is I'm trying to explain to the American people why Syria matters while my commander-in-chief is AWOL," he told a gathering of supporters at a creekside restaurant Wednesday morning. "But here's the other dilemma I have: I know it matters. At least in my mind in matters."
    In a 45-minute talk here, Graham guided the crowd through the history, stakes and consequences of the strife in Syria. He spoke plain enough to relate but detailed enough to showcase his expertise. The argument is a heavy lift. After all, even Republicans -- by a 12-point margin -- oppose missile strikes, according to this week's Washington Post-ABC poll.
    Graham's primary opponents -- a trio of rivals deemed long shots in need of a momentum-shifting event -- are eager to seize the moment. Nancy Mace, the first female to graduate from The Citadel, has said intervention would just bolster the opposition that's dominated by al-Qaida. "I will stand with the people of South Carolina against Obama's failed leadership and against military action in Syria," she told the The Washington Examiner.
    State Sen. Lee Bright, R-Spartanburg, known for his inflammatory claims and bombastic bravado, went even further. "John McCain and Lindsey Graham seem willing to go to the ends of the earth to help the Muslim Brotherhood," he zapped.
    [READ: Meet the 3 People Who Want to Beat Lindsey Graham]
    Graham never engaged his foes directly, but his comments to the largely friendly crowd encapsulated the arduous sell to the public.
    "I don't want another Iraq or Afghanistan war because that's just not what we need to do," he said, before outlining his support for a contained military strike designed to degrade Syria's ability to deliver chemical weapons in the future and assist those who want to overthrow President Bashar Assad.
    But Graham has heard the counterarguments. He knows many are skeptical that replacing Assad would install leadership that's any more favorable to U.S. interests, even in the military friendly Palmetto State. In fact, a common refrain across the country is that the alternative could be far worse.
    "Rebel opposition forces are our sworn enemies. We've spent billions of dollars in one country trying to wipe them off the face of the planet * al-Qaida. And yet we employ the strategy of funding them and giving them weapons in Syria to get Assad?" asked Jesse Graston, who traveled nearly three hours from Rock Hill, S.C., and forked over the $12 in order to corner the senator.
    Facing that strain of skepticism, Graham wound up his case on Syria intervention by raising the stakes considerably. He painted a frightening picture of cascading world events that would reverberate far beyond the borders of a civil war in one Middle Eastern country.
    If the United States doesn't deal with Syria, Graham promised Iran would acquire a nuclear weapon by 2014, the King of Jordan would be deposed and Israel would start preparing to protect itself.
    "I believe that if we get Syria wrong, within six months -- and you can quote me on this," Graham said, pausing for dramatic effect. "There will be a war between Iran and Israel over their nuclear program."
    But it wouldn't even end there, Graham surmised. Undoubtedly, he said ominously, the Iranians would share its nuclear technology with U.S. enemies.
    "My fear is that it won't come to America on top of a missile, it'll come in the belly of a ship in the Charleston or New York harbor," he said.
    [ALSO: House on Track to Vote Against Syria Resolution]
    For Graston, who won't be supporting Graham in the primary, that was a bridge too far.
    "It's absolute fear mongering," he said in an interview afterward.
    A professed former avid viewer of Fox News and loyal listener of Rush Limbaugh, Graston said the enduring conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan awoke him to the grim reality of the Middle East and perpetual war.
    He believes the hawks of the Republican Party shredded their credibility with what they promised to deliver in the country's last two foreign entanglements -- and sees Graham as ignoring the lessons simply for the sake of professing strength.
    "All the discussion I saw in Congress is based on the position that Assad has the weapons and did this," Graston said. "They haven't sold the case on that. They have not showed me the evidence. If you want this war, show me the evidence, give me the proof, and they have yet to do that."

  11. #1511
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Israel’s wild card: Nuclear missile equipped submarine fleet


    September 8, 2013
    From: Free Patriot



    “The equivalent of 200,000,000 – 400,000,000 pounds of TNT….”

    Amid the rapidly assembling fleets of the United States, Russia and China warily eyeing each other off the coast of Syria, another regional naval power that’s figuratively flying under the radar of public notice is Israel’s small but very powerful fleet, as evidenced by the Jewish State conducting a missile test on the open waters of the Eastern Mediterranean, as published by the Associated Press via the Las Vegas Sun on Sept. 7, 2013.

    In a terse press notification issued by the Israeli Ministry of Defense (MoD) earlier this week, a single missile was test fired fired over the open seas.

    The Israeli MoD tightly lipped gave no other details. However, various state-run Russian news agencies have reported that Russian radar systems had detected two “ballistic objects” fired from the central Mediterranean toward the eastern part of the sea.


    Not So Friendly Dolphins…

    London’s The Sunday Times reported in 2010 that the Israeli Navy’s Flotilla 7, comprised of three German-built Dolphin-class submarines — the INS (Israeli Naval Ship) Dolphin, the INS Tekuma and the INS Leviathan — have paid less-than-clandestine visits to the Persian Gulf in the past, undoubtedly to send a message to the Iranian Mullahs who continue to call for the destruction of Israel.

    The flotilla’s commander, identified only as “Colonel O”, told an Israeli newspaper: We are an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders. Fifth Sub Delivered, Sixth On Its Way… Long suspected of equipping their growing armada of subs with nuclear armed cruise missiles, Russia Today quoted Former German State Secretary Lothar Ruhl earlier this year that he’s “always assumed that Israel would deploy nuclear weapons on the submarines.”

    Dolphin-class submarines are equipped with hydraulic ejection systems that enable the underwater launch of Israeli Popeye Turbo SLCM long-range cruise missiles, believed to have nuclear warheads. Israel’s Popeye cruise missiles are believed to have a range of up to 900 miles and carry a 450 pound payload, enough for a 100 to 200 kT variable yield warhead, the equivalent of 200,000,000 – 400,000,000 pounds of TNT.
    Last edited by BRVoice; September 9th, 2013 at 14:13.

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  12. #1512
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Some points from a statement from Lavrov, Russia's FM

    Steve Rosenberg‏@BBCSteveR53s
    Russian Foreign Min Lavrov: Russia will urge Syria to put chemical weapons under international control if it helps avoid military strikes

    gandalf greybeard‏@gerrydogma1m
    Lavrov has just urged Syria to hand over its chemical weapons. Hopes for a positive response from Syria @lrozen

    Peter Diapre‏@skybod1m
    AFP: Russia calls on Syria to hand over and then destroy chemical weapons: Lavrov

    Laura Rozen‏@lrozen1m
    did I get that right Lavrov said 'we do not know' if Syria will accept what Kerry said? but propose to find out? @tggrove

    cigolo‏@cigolo1m
    Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov Says Moscow Does Not Know Whether Syria Will Accept Proposal

    Olivier Fehr‏@oliviernfehr1m
    Surprise: #Russia ready to help convince #Syria to hand over Chemical Weapons to IC: Lavrov

    Roland Oliphant‏@RolandOliphant1m
    Lavrov says he likes John Kerry's offer of handing over Syrian chemical weapons to avoid strike on Syria.

    Anya Arda‏@AnyaArda2m
    Russian FM Sergei Lavrov calls for Syrian govt to hand over chemical weapons

    Simon Marks‏@SimonMarksFSN2m
    Per @AnyaArda Lavrov has just urged Syria to hand over its chemical weapons.

    عربي سوري‏@3arabiSouri3m
    #Russia wants to bargain on #Syria's strategic defense and national security. No way Mr. GasPutin and Mr. Lavrov.. Play another game.

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  13. #1513
    Super Moderator Malsua's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    8,020
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Since Obomber is going to speak Tuesday night, one can expect him to beg and plead his constituents to let him bomb a country that hasn't attacked us.

    Frankly, we should just let these Arabs get on with it. There's hardly a difference between the rebels and the government, they are all moon god worshipping murderers. The woman and children caught in the middle are either breeders for future murderers or murderers who aren't old enough to hold a gun or blow themselves up in a Tel Aviv pizza shop yet.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt


  14. #1514
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    He's not just going on television tomorrow night. Apparently he has something like five interviews lined up for tonight on various stations and venues.

    It appears he's going to inundate the public on all the Obama-Loving-Media stations to convince all the Obama lovers to faint and call their congressmen/women to do what he wants.

    After all, the Sheep are pretty much mesmerized by him.

    I agree, let them kill each other.

    Problem is, Mal, I don't think that's going to happen. I think now that Obama is going to do whatever it is he wants. Bomb Assad probably. Then Assad will use chemical weapons, and we'll use tac-nukes. Russia won't stand for that, nuking our ships, we nuke them, and back and forth.

    This isn't going to be pretty this time.

    There is (as above in BRVoice's post) a chance in hell Assad might give up the weapons to stop a bombing. If that's the case, then it's pretty fucking obvious this was set up to make Obama look stronger and better than he is.

    Either way, we're doomed. We either go to war, with nukes eventually or we're stuck with Obama even longer... he's here to ruin our country, not protect us.

  15. #1515
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Russia proposes putting Syria chemical arms under global control

    Published: 09.09.13, 17:38 / Israel News

    Russia said on Monday it would urge Syria to put its chemical weapons arsenal under international control if this would avert military strikes. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who called a news conference to announce the proposal, said he had already conveyed the idea to Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem at talks in Moscow.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that Syrian President Bashar Assad could avoid a US strike by surrendering his chemical weapons within a week, but immediately made clear he was not making a serious offer. (Reuters)

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  16. #1516
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    US Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that Syrian President Bashar Assad could avoid a US strike by surrendering his chemical weapons within a week, but immediately made clear he was not making a serious offer.


    He made it clear this was not a serious offer? I'm curious how that came about and what he said. I've not seen any articles on this yet. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places?

  17. #1517
    Forum General Brian Baldwin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    1,869
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Malsua View Post
    Frankly, we should just let these Arabs get on with it. There's hardly a difference between the rebels and the government, they are all moon god worshipping murderers. The woman and children caught in the middle are either breeders for future murderers or murderers who aren't old enough to hold a gun or blow themselves up in a Tel Aviv pizza shop yet.
    I agree completely. The rebels are often influenced by groups like Al Qaeda too so I'm not sure I'd care for them winning. But for as long as these nations suffer civil war, then we'll see reductions in the numbers that can terrorize so to speak. And like you said, they're all the same. I don't believe in moderate islam. It's a sham.
    Brian Baldwin

    Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil.... For I am the meanest S.O.B. in the valley.


    "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out." - Tony Blair on America



    It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.

    It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

    It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

    -Father Denis O'Brien of the United States Marine Corp.


    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 15 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  18. #1518
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    @SaraAssaf : CNN breaking: Expecting an official answer from Syrian regime to Russian proposal around CW in just 15 mn. #Syria

    Non-starter -
    Aki Peritz‏@AkiPeritz7m
    Lavrov: calling on Syria to "plac[e] chemical weapons storage sites under international control", which means CW will stay in Syria.


    Raymond Pritchett @Galrahn 41s
    No way Kerry was serious about putting Syrian CW under international control. Which is why Russia jumped in, to make him look stupid, again.

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



  19. #1519
    Expatriate American Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A Banana Republic, Central America
    Posts
    48,612
    Thanks
    82
    Thanked 28 Times in 28 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    John Kerry Is Getting Relentlessly Mocked For Saying Syria Strikes Will Be 'Unbelievably Small'

    Brett LoGiurato Sep. 9, 2013, 10:06 AM 1,705





    AP




    Making the case for intervention in Syria to a war-weary American public, Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the strike will be "unbelievably small" — a comment that has already earned him relentless mocking in its immediate aftermath.

    "We’re not going to war. We will not have people at risk in that way," Kerry said during a press conference in London with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, according to a transcript released by the State Department.


    "We will be able to hold Bashar Assad accountable without engaging in troops on the ground or any other prolonged kind of effort in a very limited, very targeted, very short-term effort that degrades his capacity to deliver chemical weapons without assuming responsibility for Syria’s civil war.


    "That is exactly what we’re talking about doing – unbelievably small, limited kind of effort."


    Kerry's comments are a microcosm of the poor job the Obama administration has done trying to explain the rationale for intervention. On one hand, they realize they are dealing with a "war-weary" public skeptical of engaging in another Middle East conflict.


    On the other hand, Kerry has made repeated comments casting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as the greatest villain of the 21st century, in response to an alleged chemical-weapons attack against his own people on Aug. 21. The U.S. says the attack killed 1,429 people, including 426 children.


    In a blistering statement unveiling the evidence the U.S. had against Assad, Kerry called him a "thug" and a "murderer." He has also made repeated comparisons of Assad to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. He has also said this is a "Munich moment" for members of Congress deciding whether to grant President Obama the authority to carry out limited strikes.


    Kerry earned immediate fire from even supporters of the administration's plan, including Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee.
    "I don't understand what he means by that," Rogers said when asked to analyze Kerry's comments Monday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."


    "This is part of the problem. That's a very confusing message. Certainly a confusing message to me — that he would offer that, as somebody who believes this is in our national security interest."






  20. #1520
    Senior Member BRVoice's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Limeira (SP) - Brazil
    Posts
    3,133
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Syria

    Laura Rozen‏@lrozen3m
    he's surely not going to say on Syria State TV syria giving up CW? RT @SamiChoukry: Syrian TV : Press con for FM Moallem shortly from Moscow

    RT @ajamlive: Ban: Considering urging Security Council to demand the immediate transfer of #Syria's chemical weapons - Watch live: http://t.co/fvPYCaljv3

    Saint Paul in the Ephesians 6:12


    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."



Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 102 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 102 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •