Herman Cain

[Ryan Ruck]

I watched the whole debate last night and while I don't have time to get into a deep analysis, I know I'm a little biased but, it seemed like Herman was the only one with solid plans already laid out. It really came across that everyone else talked in generalities.

[American Patriot]

I havent seen the debate (and won't likely) but I've heard him talk several times and he's clear on many things. The rest are trying to "fit in".

[Backstop]

I really like Cain's 9 9 9 Tax Plan.

9% Corporate Flat Tax

9% Personal Flat Tax

9% National Sales Tax

It's too simple though, and will force government to give up some of its control.

We'll never see it though...

[Ryan Ruck]

And on top of that it fairly spreads the tax burden onto those paying little/no taxes now. Hard to wage class warfare if everyone has to chip in.

[Toad]

I really like Cain's 9 9 9 Tax Plan.

9% Corporate Flat Tax

9% Personal Flat Tax

9% National Sales Tax

I'd love to see what the current Average Corp tax is and it's overall revenue, current Average Personal tax is and overall revenue, and projected national sales tax revenue would be. How that scenerio's projected revenue would hold up against current tax revenue.

National sales tax - Tricky. How would he transition a national sales tax into the crazy mix of State sales taxes? That Some states have no income tax because they have a sales tax. (ie: WA State, no income tax, 6.5% sales tax with an exemption for food and prescription medication) And vise versa, others have a very low sales tax (Oregon has no sales tax) because of State income tax. You add a 9% national sales tax upon a 6.5% state sales tax, that's crushing. You eliminate the state sales tax and they're forced to create an income tax. The political bitch-slappery that would come from untangeling and streamlining this mess would be epic.

[Backstop]

Good points.

I've been looking for some real details - like implenentation - on that and have yet to find any.

I hate to say it, but I think Cain knows he isn't going anywhere.

I'm still thinking it'll be Romney or Perry.

[Toad]

And I'm not trying to shoot down a flat tax of any kind. Simplify, simplify, simplify and streamline is A-OK with me. But if you're going to talk about it I want to see a real world executeable plan on paper I can review. Leaving the details until later has a proven less than stellar track record.

[American Patriot]

I'd like to point out something here people are continually IGNORING and perhaps that includes some of us on this site, I'm not sure.

These morons saying "the Rich don't pay their fair share" is utter bullshit.

People who are "rich" are 'rich' because they have money SAVED, put away, invested. They DO pay taxes on their earnings one way or another (and the most taxes paid are by one of the smallest percentages of people, the RICH).

My point here is JUST BECAUSE someone is wealthy does NOT mean they should every year, tax the shit out of the guy's bank account and make it dwindle until he's as poor as the other guys not paying taxes.

no, I'm ALL for these fuckers walking the streets out there paying just as much as those of us not walking the streets (working for a living) and the RICH.

Screw this bullshit about the "rich aren't paying enough".

[Backstop]

Screw this bullshit about the "rich aren't paying enough".

Completely agree. It is complete and utter bullshit started by the fucking Socialist Left.

http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011...-make-percent/

The table also tells us a number of things about equality or inequality, namely that the Top 1% of tax payers pay 38% of all income taxes. You can also see that the Top 50% of tax payers pay practically all of the nation’s taxes (97.30%), which once again shows that 40-45% of American income earners pay zero taxes.

For some reason, I'd love to be a large business owner now.

And as soon as they started taxing me more, I'd shut the doors, and write a wonderful letter to the President and IRS.

I'd include the name of every ex-employee I had, and tell the Pres and IRS that thanks to their new laws, all these people are unemployed.

I'd also mention all the lost revenue from my company they will no longer see.

[Backstop]

And I'm not trying to shoot down a flat tax of any kind. Simplify, simplify, simplify and streamline is A-OK with me. But if you're going to talk about it I want to see a real world executeable plan on paper I can review. Leaving the details until later has a proven less than stellar track record.

I completely agree, and didn't think you were shooting down anything.

Hell, I was looking for details last night.

[American Patriot]

When I leave my job, there's going to be a very, very long letter written to whomever the current President is, several Senators, and I'm naming names, giving dates, times and amounts to fraud/waste/abuse, I'm calling OSHA, the EPA and I plan to give them the addresses of those whom I know buried bodies, the latitude and longitude of the actual remains and I'm planning to stop paying my taxes... how? I won't have a fucking income. Let them pound fucking sand.

I'm going to make such a stink when I leave it will be covered up at EVERY level of Government.

Someone hit my "tilt button" today. I've had it.

[samizdat]

Calm down there, bro. Can't you just get an early out?

There'z bodez evrwhere. They dumped 35 ifo the big mall here. Picked up my kid last week & there was a tank. ¨Shot the newspaper director, wife & kid at home. Cut the head off another.

Remember polistskanaya, livenenko, paul joyell.

remember samizdat?

When you can't fight & win, or don't have to fight.

beat feet. run

[samizdat]

remember duck and cover- quickly and //quietly//, children.

remember the question from the 1947 social service exam?

What do you do if you're in a movie theatre and you realize the building is on fire?

psych out?

[samizdat]

Cain may be in like Flynn. I hope he will keep his budget down & go internet pyramid scheme, honest. I will be very surprised if he doesn't do a train campaign and win big, not trying to be popular, just being himself.

[American Patriot]

Early out? LMAO! I'm not IN the military anymore. I can QUIT any time I like, but I still have bills to pay and things to do. I'm retiring from this shit next year. It's the bullshit I saw yesterday that set me off. I can't go into details here, but I will eventually give some details to the right people.

[Ryan Ruck]

Well, I just got an email that Herman has a new book coming out - This Is Herman Cain.

I clicked the link sent in the email and found out that you can get a signed, 1st edition for $150 which also counts as a campaign contribution.

I couldn't help myself and ordered it.

I figured that after Herman did as well as he did last night I'd make another small donation (another $25) but then I saw that with the book not only could I make a donation but I'd be getting a cool book! Sure it was more than I was originally planning on donating but getting the book is nice and Herman's campaign needs all the financial help it can get to fight high-rollers like Romney and Perry.

I'll snap a pic when it gets here.

[American Patriot]

I decided after I donated to a candidate last time and he DROPPED OUT, I won't do that any more.

Next time I donate they will be the actual nominee, IF I like them.

That basically means "more money for me".

[Ryan Ruck]

That's been a concern of mine that's kept me from donating more before.

Herman seems like the kind to stick it out until the end though. However, you never know and I do hope I don't end up eating my words on that. I figured though if I did, at least I'd be getting a book out of it.

[American Patriot]

A 150 dollar book. Good on you, Ryan.

/chuckles

I'll keep the 150 and stick it in my wallet and give it to the nice Bahamian people I'm about to go visit. They will get more out of it than I will giving it to ANY candidate right now.

Hell, 150 dollars ought to take me a long ways in tips I'm hoping (perhaps not in the Bahamas but damned sure a lot of other places I've visited).

[Ryan Ruck]

I'm hoping it is an investment in our country's future!