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    July 12, 2011 11:41 AM


    McConnell: No real deficit deal until Obama is gone

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    Updated 2:16 p.m. Eastern Time
    The Senate's top Republican said Tuesday that he did not see a way for Republicans and Democrats to come to agreement on meaningful deficit reduction as long as President Obama remains in office.

    "After years of discussions and months of negotiations, I have little question that as long as this president is in the Oval Office, a real solution is probably unattainable," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said in remarks on the Senate floor.

    The remarks come as negotiations between Republicans and Democrats intensify on long-term deficit reduction ahead of a looming deadline on how much the United States can legally borrow.

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and many economists have warned of economic catastrophe if the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling is not raised before August 2.
    And lawmakers from both parties want to use the threat of that deadline to work out a broader package on long-term deficit reduction. Republicans are looking to cut trillions of dollars in federal spending, while Democrats are pushing for a more "balanced approach," which would include both spending cuts and higher revenue to the government.
    The Debt Limit fight: A primer

    The White House called McConnell's remarks "unfortunate," saying Mr. Obama "has made clear his willingness to compromise, to take heat from his own party." (See at left.)

    "This president's going to be in office for at least another 18 months, and I think the American people expect Congress to work with him," said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.

    McConnell suggested later in his remarks that the debt ceiling will still be raised, but without a broader deal on long-term deficit reduction.
    "The president has presented us with three choices: smoke and mirrors, tax hikes, or default. Republicans choose none of the above. I had hoped to do good, but I refuse to do harm. So Republicans will choose a path that actually reflects the will of the people, which is to do the responsible thing and ensure that the government doesn't default on its obligations," he said.

    Mr. Obama says he will not sign a short-term deal, saying, "This the United States of America and, you know, we don't manage our affairs in three-month increments."
    McConnell is not the only member of his party ratcheting up the rhetoric Tuesday. Speaking of Mr. Obama, House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio said "the debt limit increase is his problem." (see at left.)

    "And I think it's time for him to lead by putting his plan on the table," he continued. "Something that the Congress can pass."
    Republicans have walked away from negotiations led by Mr. Obama to reach a $4 trillion deficit reduction deal over ten years, saying a smaller deal is more feasible.
    Boehner has been under pressure from his Republican colleagues, with many in the House GOP caucus -- particularly the Tea Party-backed freshmen and his deputy, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor - bucking his apparent willingness to compromise with Mr. Obama on a "grand bargain" to reach the $4 trillion figure.

    In a closed-door meeting with the caucus Tuesday morning, he explained why he believed the negotiations fell apart.

    According to a source in the room, Boehner said he initially sought a larger deal that included reform to entitlement programs. Mr. Obama agreed, he said -- on the condition that the deal include revenue increases.
    In Boehner's telling, he refused to consider tax increases but said he would discuss tax reform -- lowering tax rates while closing tax loopholes in a way that was revenue neutral. Mr. Obama countered that he would consider corporate tax reform but not personal tax reform.
    Boehner, the source said, told his caucus he wanted both, arguing that such an approach is necessary because some small business owners claim earnings as personal income. Mr. Obama agreed, on the condition that the Bush-era tax cuts for low earners be made permanent -- presumably while the tax cuts for high earners are allowed to expire. In Boehner's telling, that's when talks began to break down.
    Mr. Obama is continuing to push for the largest possible deal, and urged lawmakers Monday to "eat our peas" and get it done.
    "It is possible for us to construct a package that would be balanced, would share sacrifice [and] would involve both parties taking on their sacred cows," he said.
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    More BS from the Left:

    Approval for Obama over Republicans on debt limit: poll
    (AFP) – 6 hours ago
    WASHINGTON — Republicans are more likely to feel Americans' scorn than will President Barack Obama if no resolution is found to the US debt limit crisis, according to a poll released on Thursday.
    Quinnipiac University pollsters said 48 percent of voters said they will blame Republicans if the debt ceiling is not raised, as opposed to 34 percent who will fault Obama.
    The survey was released with the president and his Republican foes engaged in a series of tense talks to avert a ruinous early August US debt default, and with ratings agency Moody's warning that the United States may lose its sterling triple-A debt rating if it fails to resolve the crisis before the deadline.
    Pollsters found that 56 percent of Americans disapprove of how the president has managed the economy, against 38 percent who said they approve.
    But by 45 percent to 38 percent, they said they trust him more than congressional Republicans, according to Quinnipiac.
    "The American people aren't very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
    Obama garnered a 47 percent overall job approval rating in the poll, while 46 percent said they disapprove.
    That was considerably better than the approval rating for either Congress (68 percent disapproval, 28 percent approval) or Republicans (65 percent disapproval, 26 percent approval.)
    More respondents in the Quinnipiac poll pinned blame on Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, for the state of the economy than they do the incumbent president, by 54 percent to 27 percent.
    "Americans overwhelmingly disapprove of President Obama's handling of the economy, but by two to one, they pin the blame on former president George W. Bush rather than Obama, who is now more than 60 percent through his term of office," Brown said.
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    July 14, 2011 6:35 AM

    Obama says he'll risk job for debt deal




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    (CBS/AP) WASHINGTON - Amid new warnings and fresh signs of strain, President Obama and congressional leaders are entering a perilous debt-limit endgame. The president, declaring "enough is enough," is demanding that budget negotiators find common ground by week's end even as the Senate's top Republican gained followers for his own last-ditch scheme to avoid a government default.

    The continuing impasse was unsettling Wall Street, which up to now had performed as if an increase in the debt ceiling was not in doubt. And the looming Aug. 2 cutoff for action was creating new tensions between the president and Republican leaders.

    Moody's Investors Service said Wednesday it will review the government's credit rating, noting there is a small but rising risk that the government will default on its debt. If Moody's were to lower the ratings, the consequences would ripple through the economy, pushing up rates for mortgages, car loans and other debts. A Chinese rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating Co., also warned of a possible downgrade.

    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, addressing lawmakers, warned Wednesday that not increasing the nation's debt ceiling and allowing the nation default on its debt would send "shock waves through the entire financial system."

    And in the cauldron of the White House Cabinet Room, Obama and top lawmakers bargained for nearly two hours Wednesday on spending cuts. Obama curtly ended the session when House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., urged Obama to accept a short, monthslong increase in debt instead of one that would last through next year's presidential election.

    "Enough is enough. ... I'll see you all tomorrow," Obama said, rising from the negotiating table and leaving the room, according to several officials familiar with the session.

    Was it a blow up? Obama, GOP get tense in talks
    CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports President Obama later warned Republicans he was willing to risk his presidency to stick by his insistence for a long-term agreement.

    "I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this," said Mr. Obama, according to a Republican source.

    The United States hit its current $14.3 trillion debt ceiling in May and the Obama administration says the government will default on its obligations if the debt limit is not increased by Aug. 2. For a new debt ceiling to last to the end of 2012 would require raising it by about $2.4 trillion.

    Republicans, in control of the House of Representatives in part because of the support of tea party activists, say they will not vote to raise the limit if Obama doesn't agree to at least an equal amount of deficit reductions over 10 years.

    "Our problem is, we made a big deal about this for three months," Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told The New York Times, illustrating the difficult position in which senior Republicans find themselves.

    "How many Republicans have been on TV saying, 'I am not going to raise the debt limit,'" Graham told the newspaper, including himself among the GOP members dealing with the seemingly no-win situation. "We have no one to blame but ourselves."

    "Let's stop the posturing and positioning, stop catering to the political base and let's start compromising," Mr. Obama told the lawmakers at the White House, according to people who were in the room.

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    Bernanke Says Failure to Raise Debt Limit Would Be ‘Self-Inflicted Wound’

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    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke warned lawmakers that they would cause a “self- inflicted wound” should they prompt a credit-rating downgrade by failing to raise the $14.3 trillion U.S. debt ceiling.
    Congress should recognize it’s “tremendously important that we have the confidence of the world in terms of willingness to hold Treasuries, to trade in Treasuries, to maintain a liquid market in Treasuries,” he said today in testimony to the Senate Banking Committee. “It’s a very important asset and losing that credit rating is, again, I think a self-inflicted wound.”
    The Fed chairman, responding to lawmakers’ questions, urged Congress to reach a solution on the debt ceiling and a broader fiscal deal before U.S. borrowing authority expires Aug. 2. He warned of higher unemployment and the risk of global financial market instability, while noting that a lower credit rating would increase borrowing costs, further widening the deficit.
    “Loss of investor confidence could potentially raise interest rates quite significantly” and complicate efforts to reduce the deficit, Bernanke told Senator Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island. “If you raise interest rates, that means your interest costs go up substantially, and you’re actually making -- you’re regressing rather than progressing in this.”
    Yields on 10-year Treasury notes rose 5 basis points, or 0.05 percentage point, to 2.93 percent at 2:26 p.m. in New York. The Standard and Poor’s 500 Index fell 0.3 percent to 1,313.29 after Bernanke said “We’re not prepared at this point” to take further action to stimulate the economy.
    Calm Before Storm

    “Maybe it is the calm before the storm,” said Richard Schlanger, a vice president at Pioneer Investments in Boston, which oversees $20 billion in fixed-income securities. “Bond- market participants believe there will some kind of resolution of the debt ceiling and the government will meet its obligations.”
    Moody’s Investors Service raised the pressure on U.S. lawmakers to increase the debt limit by placing the nation’s credit rating under review for a downgrade yesterday.
    The U.S., rated Aaa since 1917, was put on review for the first time since 1996 on concern the debt threshold won’t be raised in time to prevent a missed interest or principal payment on outstanding bonds and notes, Moody’s said in a statement. The risk of such an outcome is low, Moody’s said.
    The rating may be reduced to the Aa range, and there is no assurance Moody’s would restore its top rating, even if a default is quickly “cured.”
    President Barack Obama is considering summoning congressional leaders to Camp David this weekend to work on a plan to raise the debt ceiling after yesterday’s negotiations on a deficit-cutting plan of at least $2 trillion stalled, according to two people familiar with the matter.
    To contact the reporter on this story: Craig Torres in Washington at ctorres3@bloomberg.net;
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    From Wall Street Journal.

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    • July 14, 2011, 1:54 PM ET

    Polls: Voters Want Debt Limit Deal to Cut Spending and Raise Taxes





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    By Danny Yadron

    Voters appear to favor raising some taxes as part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling, two new polls show.
    With the U.S. expected to go into default if the debt ceiling isn’t raised soon, Quinnipiac University’s Polling Institute released a survey Thursday showing voters, 67% to 25%, prefer a deficit-reduction deal that includes both spending cuts and higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations rather than only cuts spending. Democrats, predictably, favored a plan with the tax increases, 87% to 7%, independents were less enthusiastic, 66% to 26%, while Republicans were divided, 43% to 48%.
    The survey of 2,311 registered voters had a margin of error of 2 percentage points.
    A Gallup poll released Wednesday concluded that Americans want the majority of deficit reduction to come through spending cuts, but most favor some combination of reduced expenditures coupled with higher revenues.
    When asked how Congress should reduce the federal deficit, 30% said “mostly with spending cuts” and 32% chose “equally with spending cuts and tax increases.” Just 20% said the deal should be exclusively spending cuts and 11% wanted a deal mostly or only with tax increases.
    The poll of 1,016 adults had a margin of error of 4 percentage points.
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    • JULY 14, 2011, 2:58 P.M. ET

    Geithner: No way to provide more time on debt




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    WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says he's looked at all the options and that there's "no way to give Congress more time" to solve the debt limit problem.
    Lawmakers face an Aug. 2 deadline to enact legislation to allow the government to continue to borrow to meet obligations like Social Security checks and payments to holders of U.S. Treasuries.
    Geithner has employed several accounting moves to allow the government to avoid a first-ever default. He warns that a default would rock the credit and stock markets and would force up the interest the government has to pay on its bonds.
    Top lawmakers return to the White House Thursday amid dwindling hopes for a bipartisan deal to slash the deficit and combine it with a debt limit increase.
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    Geithner: "We're Running Out Of Time"

    Zeke Miller and Grace Wyler | Jul. 14, 2011, 2:39 PM | 1,685 | 24


    Image: Asked if he thought a deal could be reached with Cantor at the table, Reid said he didn't think so unless Cantor changes his tone and starts to contribute to the talks.
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    Boehner Has "No Idea" If Last Ditch Debt Limit Plan Can Pass House

    Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Thursday "we're running out of time," to act on raising the debt limit. After meeting with Senate Democrats, Geithner said he has concluded that he has "no way to give Congress more time to solve this problem."
    "We have to stand together and send a definitive signal that we are going to make good on our obligations," he said.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) added that Geithner told his caucus that August 2 is the deadline to.

    "We can't wait until then, we need to make a deal before then," adding "we're already feeling consequences."

    "There is no wiggle room" Reid said. "The Moody's warning should serve as a wake-up call to anyone who doubts that the consequences are real."

    Update: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called on House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) to back off his hard-line position on revenues and make some concessions in the ongoing negotiations.

    "He is the only one at the table who has not," Schumer said. "Leader Cantor has yet to make a constructive contribution to these discussions. More than anything else he is holding up the deal at this point."

    Update 2: Reid confirmed he was working with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on a revised version of his counterpart's last ditch 'contingency plan' to raise the debt limit.

    Asked if he thought a deal could be reached with Cantor at the table, Reid said he didn't think so unless Cantor changes his tone and starts to contribute to the talks.

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    POLITICS -- July 14, 2011 at 2:07 PM EDT

    Democrats Spell Out Debt Default Consequences

    By: Quinn Bowman


    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell speaks with Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., file photo
    With no deal in sight as congressional leaders continue debt-limit talks at the White House Thursday, Senate Democrats are spelling out the dire consequences of a failure to reach an agreement and raise the debt ceiling.
    Using two big graphs showing federal government revenue for August and the money allocated to be spent that month, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., demonstrated that many vital services would have to be immediately cut if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling.
    "Republican intransigence is pushing us toward a default, while many of them are claiming that the impact of a default would not be very significant," Schumer said. Aside from the fact that it will cost the United States more to borrow money if the nation's credit rating is downgraded, Schumer said the lack of money would force the Treasury Department to make difficult choices about where to spend money.
    One of Schumer's charts showed projected revenue for August at $172 billion while the other showed obligations of $307 billion. Highlighting different types of spending such as Social Security, defense spending and Medicare, an aide demonstrated how huge swaths of the government would have to go unfunded if the debt limit does not go up.
    "If you're going to fully pay Social Security, Medicare, our troops and interest on the debt, you don't have anyone at border, anyone doing food inspections, anyone in the FAA towers. America would come to a grinding halt," Schumer said.
    While many Republicans have said the U.S. must raise the debt limit, there is pressure from Tea Party groups to oppose the increase. Republican presidential candidate and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann has vowed to not vote to increase the debt limit under any circumstances.
    A good example of the viewpoint that not raising the debt limit is a viable choice, look to Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., who argued in this Wall Street Journal op-ed that if the Treasury Department paid interest payments on debt, the federal government would not default, but the government would be forced to make major spending cuts.
    Schumer said he hoped Congress and the White House could still work toward a "grand bargain" deficit reduction deal, but said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's plan for giving President Obama the authority to raise the debt limit could be viable if some changes are made.
    He also blamed House Majority Leader Eric Cantor as the one bad actor in the negotiations.
    "He is basically standing in the way, and it's a shame," Schumer said.
    The next round of talks at the White House are scheduled to start at 4:15 p.m. Thursday.
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    Florida Republicans Bash Obama for Threats Over Debt Limit


    Marco Rubio leads the charge, warning that Social Security, Medicaid and military pay are in jeopardy


    By: Kevin Derby | Posted: July 14, 2011 3:55 AM
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    Republicans from across Florida took aim at President Barack Obama this week for bringing up the possibility of freezing Social Security, Medicaid, military pay and veterans’ benefits if a federal government shutdown occurs.

    During an interview with CBS, Obama said that Social Security payments could be held up if the Congress -- divided by a Democratic-controlled Senate and a Republican-controlled House -- doesn't raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2.

    "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3 if we haven't resolved this issue," said Obama. "Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."

    The Obama administration ratcheted up the rhetoric following the interview.

    "That would then entail a kind of 'Sophie's Choice' situation, where you have to decide what bills you can pay," insisted Jay Carney, the White House press secretary. "And the fact is, you know, whether it's Social Security checks or veterans' benefits or disability benefits, it's pretty clear that the effect will be significant."

    While conservatives across the nation took note of Marco Rubio as a rising star during the 2010 election cycle, he kept a low profile during the first half of 2010. Already the subject of talk about a possible future presidential campaign -- and a leading possibility for the vice presidential spot on the 2012 Republican tickert -- the new U.S. senator from Florida fired away at Obama.

    Appearing on the Hugh Hewitt radio show Tuesday, Rubio took off the gloves and ripped into Obama over federal budget negotiations.

    Asked by Hewitt if seniors in Florida would be impacted by not getting Social Security checks, Rubio insisted, if that happens, it will be Obama’s fault.

    “Well, if they don’t get their Social Security checks, it’s because the president’s decided to do that, because we still have revenue coming in,” said Rubio. “Here’s the other thing I would say: If, in fact, the president holds up their checks for Social Security and Medicare, and whatever else he wants to hold up to make his point, isn’t he admitting that all these programs are funded by deficit spending? Isn’t he admitting that all these programs are dependent upon borrowed money?

    “And I think the folks who are on Social Security, people like my mom, would be shocked to learn the truth that the money they’re receiving in Social Security isn’t the money they worked hard for all these years to put away, the government was going to give back to them in their retirement.

    "The government spent all that money already,” added Rubio. “They spent it long ago on other things. This is borrowed money. This is money that we’re borrowing from our children and our grandchildren. And I think ... if that happens ... people are going to be shocked to learn the real truth about what the government’s done with their Social Security money.”

    Rubio added that Obama could see the problem coming, and did nothing to prevent it.

    “This issue of the debt limit didn’t sneak up on us. This has been around for a while. We knew this was coming. And then the president’s done nothing on it. He gave a State of the Union speech this year, never mentioned any plans about how to address this. He offered a budget before Congress, and the budget was so bad, I mean, it actually increased the debt. His budget was so bad, so unrealistic, that when we put it to a vote here in the Senate, not even a single Democrat voted for it. That’s how bad it was. It didn’t get a single vote."

    Rubio was not alone. Republicans from all across the Sunshine State rose up in a chorus to condemn Obama on Wednesday.

    Former state House Majority Leader Adam Hasner, now running for the Republican nomination to take on Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson in 2012, also slammed the president.

    "President Obama's threat yesterday to withhold Social Security payments if he doesn't get his way on raising taxes is shameful. It's a new low for Washington," Hasner said. "And quite frankly, it's beneath the office he holds. There are more than 3.7 million Floridians who depend on Social Security to make ends meet. They should not be used as pawns in the president's political games. Republicans should do everything they can to prevent this president from risking Social Security and Medicare further through unsustainable spending."

    Nelson also weighed in, sending a letter to U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on the matter and pointing to a bill passed in 1996 to continue Social Security.

    “This week I heard the president say we cannot guarantee the 27 million Social Security checks that are due to be mailed on Aug. 3, the day after the Treasury Department has anticipated we will hit the debt ceiling if congressional leaders fail to get beyond the partisan games and reach an agreement on spending cuts and increasing the nation's borrowing limit,” wrote Nelson. “The stakes are high not only for our economy, but also for the millions of seniors who depend solely on Social Security.

    “My question is: What plan does the Treasury have to continue payment of Social Security checks under the worst-case scenario? During the 1996 debt-limit situation, Congress passed a special temporary law that said Social Security didn’t count against the debt limit. Would such a nontraditional measure be needed today? Would pending legislation that prioritizes Social Security obligations suffice? If not, I stand ready with legislation that would temporarily exempt Social Security obligations from the public debt limit.

    “There are nearly 4 million Social Security recipients in my state alone who need answers to these questions,” closed Nelson. “Please respond immediately, as time is of the essence.”

    Last week, Florida Republican U.S. Rep. Daniel Webster introduced the Prioritize Spending Act of 2011, which would keep benefits flowing if the debt limit was reached, and his bill gained momentum Wednesday.

    "Serious and substantive spending reforms are indispensable to any discussion of raising the debt limit. I remain hopeful that a cooperative effort to implement such spending reforms without raising taxes will be successful,” said Webster when he unveiled the proposal. “Courageous actions are necessary to transform the spending habits of Washington. We must cut spending without raising taxes.

    “Inaction, by the Senate not passing a budget, has brought us to this critical situation. But waiting is not an option. A reasonable and responsible solution is needed as an immediate answer to the debt-ceiling problem,” added Webster. “It is important that while we fight for true spending transformations, we also prepare to prevent any default by protecting our priorities. Should we reach the debt limit after ideas to tackle Washington’s spending habit have been ignored, we must immediately prioritize spending by paying our debts, funding our military and caring for our seniors.”

    Republican U.S. Rep. Dennis Ross, a fellow freshman from Florida, said Wednesday that he will co-sponsor Webster’s proposal. Unlike Webster, Ross took aim at the president.

    “It is clear that this president seems intent on vilifying private enterprise and scaring seniors, rather than leading,” said Ross. “The fact of the matter is, if seniors or servicemen and women do not get paid, it will be only because the president chose not to pay them. The American Treasury takes in more than enough money from tax revenue monthly to pay Social Security, Medicare, essential defense, interest on our debt, and more. This president needs to understand that American taxpayers were serious in November when they said enough is enough.”

    Yet another Republican freshman from Florida -- U.S. Rep. Sandy Adams -- also signed on to Webster’s bill as a co-sponsor Wednesday.

    “After years of kicking the can down the road, reckless spending, and the Senate’s repeated failure to pass a budget, we now find our nation at an economic crossroads,” said Adams. “With our country on the verge of possibly defaulting on our obligations, tough choices must be made immediately. The central question facing our nation remains, are we going to continue down the same reckless road that led us into this fiscal disaster, or are we going to change course and chart a more fiscally responsible path? I choose the latter."

    U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., took to Fox News on Tuesday to offer his take on Obama's comments. Sorry, you need to install flash to see this content.




    “The president is threatening seniors won't get their Medicare checks,” West noted on Wednesday. “The government will still have revenues coming in and Geithner needs to prioritize.”



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    Pelosi: Obama More Patient Than Job of the Bible, or Something

    7/14/2011 | Email Katie Pavlich

    Here we go again, Nancy Pelosi using the Bible when it is most politically convenient for her and her party. This time, she is praising President Obama for "having more patience than Job," referring to Job of the Bible, which means if taken literally, Pelosi believes republicans are equal to Satan testing Obama on the debt.

    The Bible's Job Does Not Compare to Obama's Patience in Debt Limit Talks

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    (CNSNews.com) -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said that President Barack Obama has shown a "level of patience" in debt limit negotiations with congressional leaders that does not compare to the biblical figure Job, known as the "Man of Patience."




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    Posted at 03:20 PM ET, 07/14/2011 Boehner defends Cantor from Democratic criticism in debt limit talks

    By Felicia Sonmez

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) rallied to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s (R-Va.) defense Thursday afternoon, dismissing criticism of the number-two House Republican by congressional Democrats seeking to capitalize on GOP discord in the high-stakes battle over the country’s debt.
    Putting his arm around Cantor’s back as the two stood together before a podium at a Capitol news conference, Boehner said that reports of divisions between the two leaders were overblown.

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) answer questions during a press conference U.S. Capitol. (Win McNamee - GETTY IMAGES)
    “Let me just say, we have been in this fight together, and any suggestion that the role that Eric has played in this meeting has been anything less than helpful is just wrong,” Boehner said. “I’m glad that Eric’s there, and those that have other opinions should keep them to themselves.”
    Boehner’s remarks came hours after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) publicly criticized Cantor in remarks on the Senate floor.
    “With so much at stake, even Speaker Boehner and (Senate) Minority Leader (Mitch) McConnell (R-Ky.) seem to understand the seriousness of this situation,” Reid said Thursday morning. “They’re willing to negotiate in good faith.”
    By contrast, Reid said, Cantor “has shown that he’s shouldn’t even be at the table, and Republicans agree.”
    At Thursday’s news conference with Boehner and other House Republican leaders, Cantor mused that “Leader Reid is frustrated, as we all are.”
    “The speaker and I have consistently been on the same page, and it’s just as he laid out in terms of the principles that we are operating under ... that we are not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we have cuts in excess of that amount, that we don’t want to raise taxes and that we want to structurally change the system,” Cantor said.
    Thursday’s exchanges were the latest sign of heightening tensions as negotiators work toward a debt-limit solution ahead of a July 22 deadline set by the White House.
    At the Capitol on Wednesday evening after the latest negotiating session at the White House, Cantor spoke about the negotiations at length, telling reporters that President Obama had “abruptly” walked out of the meeting after Cantor had proposed holding two separate debt-limit votes. Democrats responded that the incident happened as Obama was wrapping up the meeting and that the president became agitated because Cantor had interrupted him.
    Cantor also on Wednesday implicitly dismissed a “back-up plan” proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would allow the debt limit to be raised but would place the brunt of the political burden on Obama and congressional Democrats.
    In addition to Thursday’s open sniping over the debt limit, the parties also sparred privately. Republicans fired back against Reid by charging that Democrats’ harsh public words toward Cantor followed private praise of the Virginia Republican by Reid in the ongoing debt-ceiling talks.
    A Republican aide on Thursday responded to Reid’s criticism by describing a scene that took place between Reid and Cantor after last Thursday’s debt-limit meeting at the White House. At that meeting, Obama described the outlines of a “grand bargain” on the debt ceiling, which Cantor said he would not be able to support because he believed it included tax increases.
    Reid approached Cantor after the meeting and thanked him “for being the only one to have the guts to be honest in this room,” according to the aide, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the talks.
    That wouldn’t have marked the first time that Cantor and Democrats in the talks had established some goodwill: In the first phase of debt-limit talks that played out over two months this spring, Cantor appeared to strike a surprising rapport with Vice President Biden, and the two repeatedly praised each other unprompted in their public updates on the talks.
    But Reid spokesman Adam Jentleson disputed the GOP’s version of the Thursday encounter, calling it “way out of context and inaccurate in its implications.”
    “At an early meeting, Sen. Reid politely thanked Eric Cantor for being frank by way of advising him that in his experience, great agreements are only achieved through open, frank exchanges, and a willingness to put ideology aside and reach a reasonable compromise,” Jentleson said, adding that Reid had told Cantor after the meeting, “at least you’re being honest.”
    Reid “had high hopes” for Cantor’s leadership, Jentleson said, but after Cantor’s actions over the past few days, Reid was “disappointed to see that Eric Cantor has demonstrated neither that courage nor that ability, and has instead been nothing but a disruptive force over the course of these negotiations.”
    Jentleson also took aim at the anonymous aide who described the encounter, noting that “just a few days ago, Eric Cantor himself expressed outrage at the practice of leaking the details of private conversations.”
    It’s worth noting, of course, that leaking information anonymously through aides is a practice that has been employed on both sides of the aisle as well as by the White House in the ongoing debt-limit talks.
    Update, 3:20 p.m.
    Senate Democrats continued to train their rhetorical fire on Cantor at a news conference Thursday afternoon, arguing that the Virginia Republican has now become the main obstacle to a debt-limit agreement.
    “It’s time for Leader Cantor to make some concessions,” Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said at a news conference with other Democratic leaders and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. “He’s the only one at the table who hasn’t yet. Speaker Boehner entertained the grand bargain President Obama offered. Even Leader McConnell has put a proposal on the table that at least recognizes the urgent need to avoid default.
    “Leader Cantor has yet to make a constructive contribution to these discussions,” Schumer continued. “More than anything else, he is holding up an agreement at this point.”
    Asked whether an agreement is possible with Cantor sitting at the negotiating table, Reid said the outlook was dim.
    “Unless he changes and starts being someone who contributes to a solution, the answer is no,” Reid said. “He has not been constructive.”
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    Since this whole issue is about ... Money. Martin Armstrong has a new piece on the topic. It's a PDF file...... http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files...07-13-2011.pdf
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    Jackson Lee: Congress complicating debt ceiling because Obama is black



    By Josiah Ryan - 07/15/11 03:02 PM ET

    Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) on Friday strongly suggested that members of Congress are making it difficult for President Obama to raise the debt ceiling because of his race.

    "I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness [toward] this president,” said Jackson Lee, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. “Why is he different? And in my community, that is the question that we raise. In the minority community that is question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully? Why has the debt limit been raised 60 times? Why did the leader of the Senate continually talk about his job is to bring the president down to make sure he is unelected?”

    Earlier in her speech, Jackson Lee said Obama has been targeted unlike any other president."I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president — only this one, only this one — has received the kind of attacks and disagreement and inability to work, only this one," said Jackson Lee from the House floor.

    "Read between the lines," she continued. "What is different about this president that should put him in a position that he should not receive the same kind of respectful treatment of when it is necessary to raise the debt limit in order to pay our bills, something required by both statute and the 14th amendment?"

    Jackson Lee concluded by saying that she hoped someone would step up and say that what appears obvious to her is not in fact true.

    "I hope someone will say that what it appears to be is not in fact accurate," said Lee. "But historically it seems to be nothing more."

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    Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    By Alicia M. Cohn - 07/15/11 11:54 AM ET

    President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.

    "The American people are sold," Obama said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."
    Throughout the press conference, Obama blasted Republicans for ignoring what he said is the will of the American people by rejecting tax increases that would balance out spending cuts in a debt package.

    "This is not an issue of salesmanship to the American people," Obama said."I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests ... I hope they're listening to the American people as well," Obama said, citing "poll after poll" showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking "a balanced approach" — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit.

    Obama repeated his warning that the country is "running out of time" to avert a financial “Armageddon.”

    "We should not even be this close on a deadline," Obama said. "This is something we should have accomplished earlier."

    The president's press conference came the day after he wrapped up debt-ceiling negotiations at the White House and gave congressional leaders 24 to 36 hours to consult with members on a possible compromise.

    Obama is pushing for a sweeping package that would save $4 trillion over 10 years.

    Obama said he is still pushing for a “big” deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.

    "I always have hope," Obama said. "Don't you remember my campaign?"

    The president signaled he is opposed to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” proposal that House Republicans coalesced around Friday morning, and he challenged the GOP to "be ambitious" in proposing a package to cut the deficit.

    "If they show me a serious plan, I'm ready to move, even if it requires some tough sacrifices on my part," Obama said.

    Republicans in the House rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.

    “We asked the president to lead, we asked him to put forward a plan, not a speech — a real plan — and he hasn’t. We will,” Speaker John Boehner said (R-Ohio) before Obama’s press conference.

    The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced-budget amendment.

    The president said he had not studied the new Republican proposal, but said it “doesn't sound like a serious plan to me."

    Obama also shot down GOP calls for a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution, saying "we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs."

    As he has done since last week, the president challenged Republicans to pursue the biggest plan possible, seizing an "opportunity to stabilize American's finances" for the next 10, 15 or 20 years.

    Noting the acknowledgment by Republican leaders that the debt ceiling has to be raised, Obama said that they should not stop at the "routine" decision to increase the government's borrowing authority.

    "I'm glad the congressional leaders want to raise the debt ceiling, but I think the American people expect more," Obama said.

    The president has repeatedly called for negotiators to put politics aside even as the negotiations have increasingly been framed through the lens of the 2012 election.

    Obama said he was hopeful that the leaders would step back from trying to please their base constituencies and move on the debt ceiling, reducing the deficit and other economic agenda items.

    "Whatever Sen. [Mitch] McConnell [R-Ky.] says about me on the floor of the Senate is not going to be an impediment to us getting a deal done," Obama said. "You know, the question is going to be whether at any given moment we're willing to set politics aside at least briefly in order to get something done.

    He continued: "Surely we can come up with a compromise to solve those problems. So there will be huge differences between now and November 2012 between the parties. And whoever the Republican nominee is, you know, we're going to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide America forward and to win the future. And I'm confident that I will win that debate.”

    "And I think increasingly the American people are going to say to themselves, you know what? If a party or a politician is constantly taking the position 'my way or the highway,' constantly being locked into, you know, ideologically rigid positions, that you know, we're going to remember at the polls," Obama said.

    Obama didn't rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a national default.

    "It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert Armageddon," he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.

    "I have not seen a credible plan ... that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion [in savings] without really hurting ordinary folks," he said.

    The president said voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done” in the high-stakes negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.

    “It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression,” he said.




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    THIS PUBLIC is not "sold" on ANY tax increases.
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    Rick, I think this matches up nicely with your first post.

    The Great Charade
    The spenders are negotiating among themselves how much debt they’re going to burden you with.

    July 16, 2011

    By Mark Steyn

    There is something surreal and unnerving about the so-called “debt ceiling” negotiations staggering on in Washington. In the real world, negotiations on an increase in one’s debt limit are conducted between the borrower and the lender. Only in Washington is a debt increase negotiated between two groups of borrowers.

    Actually, it’s more accurate to call them two groups of spenders. On the one side are Obama and the Democrats, who in a negotiation supposedly intended to reduce American indebtedness are (surprise!) proposing massive increasing in spending (an extra $33 billion for Pell Grants, for example). The Democrat position is: You guys always complain that we spend spend spend like there’s (what’s the phrase again?) no tomorrow, so be grateful that we’re now proposing to spend spend spend spend like there’s no this evening.

    On the other side are the Republicans, who are the closest anybody gets to representing, albeit somewhat tentatively and less than fullthroatedly, the actual borrowers — that’s to say, you and your children and grandchildren. But in essence the spenders are negotiating among themselves how much debt they’re going to burden you with. It’s like you and your missus announcing you’ve set your new credit limit at $1.3 million, and then telling the bank to send demands for repayment to Mr. and Mrs. Smith’s kindergartner next door.

    Nothing good is going to come from these ludicrously protracted negotiations over laughably meaningless accounting sleights-of-hand scheduled to kick in circa 2020. All the charade does is confirm to prudent analysts around the world that the depraved ruling class of the United States cannot self-correct, and, indeed, has no desire to.

    When the 44th president took office, he made a decision that it was time for the already unsustainable levels of government spending finally to break the bounds of reality and frolic and gambol in the magical fairy kingdom of Spendaholica: This year, the federal government borrows 43 cents of every dollar it spends, a ratio that is unprecedented. Barack Obama would like this to be, as they say, “the new normal” — at least until that 43 cents creeps up a nickel or so, and the United States government is spending twice as much as it takes in, year in, year out, now and forever. If the Republicans refuse to go along with that, well, then the negotiations will collapse and, as he told Scott Pelley on CBS the other night, Gran’ma gets it. That monthly Social Security check? Fuhgeddabouddit. “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue,” declared the president. “Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

    But hang on. I thought the Social Security checks came out of the famous “Social Security trust fund,” whose “trustees” assure us there’s currently $2.6 trillion in there. Which should be enough for the August 3rd check run, shouldn’t it? Golly, to listen to the president, you’d almost get the impression that, by the time you saw the padlock off the old Social Security lockbox, there’s nothing in there but a yellowing IOU and a couple of moths. Indeed, to listen to Obama, one might easily conclude that the whole rotten, stinking edifice of federal government is an accounting trick. And that can’t possibly be so, can it?

    For the Most Gifted Orator in Human History, the president these days speaks largely in clichés, most of which he doesn’t seem to be quite on top of. “Eric, don’t call my bluff,” he sternly reprimanded the GOP’s Eric Cantor. Usually, if you’re bluffing, the trick is not to announce it upfront. But, in fact, in his threat to have Granny eating dog food by Labor Day, Obama was calling his own bluff. The giant bluff against the future that is government spending.

    How many of “the wealthy” do you require to cover a one-and-a-half trillion-dollar shortfall every single year? When you need this big a fix, there aren’t enough people to stick it to. “We are not broke,” insists Van Jones, Obama’s former “green jobs” czar and bespoke Communist. “We were robbed, we were robbed. And somebody has our money!”

    The somebody who has our money is the government. They waste it on self-aggrandizing ideologue nitwits like Van Jones and his “green jobs” racket. How’s the “green jobs” scene in your town? Going gangbusters, is it? Every day these guys burn through so much that they can never bridge the gap. By that, I don’t mean that an American government that raises $2 trillion but spends $4 trillion has outspent America, but that it’s outspent the planet. In my soon to be imminently forthcoming book, I discuss a study published last year by John Kitchen of the U.S. Treasury and Menzie Chinn of the University of Wisconsin. Its very title is a testament to where we’re headed:

    “Financing U.S. Debt: Is There Enough Money In The World — And At What Cost?”

    The authors’ answer is yes, technically, there is enough money in the world — in the sense that, on current projections, by 2020 all it will take to finance the government of the United States is for the rest of the planet to be willing to sink 19 percent of its GDP into U.S. Treasury debt. Which Kitchen and Chinn say is technically doable. Yeah. In the same sense that me dating Scarlett Johansson is technically doable.

    Unfortunately, neither Scarlett nor the rest of the planet is willing to do it. It’s not 2020 and we’re not yet asking the rest of the planet for a fifth of its GDP. But already the world is imposing its own debt ceiling. Most of the debt issued by the Treasury so far this year has been borrowed from the Federal Reserve. That adds another absurd wrinkle to the D.C. charade: Washington is negotiating with itself over how much money to lend itself.

    Meanwhile, the World’s Greatest Orator bemoans the “intransigence” of Republicans. Okay, what’s your plan? Give us one actual program you’re willing to cut, right now. Oh, don’t worry, says Barack Obluffer. To demonstrate how serious he is, he’s offered to put on the table for fiscal year 2012 spending cuts of (stand well back now) $2 billion. That would be a lot in, say, Iceland or even Australia. Once upon a time it would have been a lot even in Washington. But today $2 billion is what the Brokest Nation in History borrows every ten hours. In other words, in less time than he spends sitting across the table negotiating his $2 billion cut, he’s already borrowed it all back. A negotiation with Obama is literally not worth the time.

    In order to fund Obamacare and the other opiates of Big Government dependency, the feds need to take 25 percent of GDP, now and forever: The “new normal.” It can’t be done. Look around you. The new normal’s already here: flatline jobs market, negative equity, the dead-parrot economy. What comes next will be profoundly abnormal. His name was Obamandias, King of Kings. Look upon his works, ye mighty, and despair. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away.

    Do they still teach Shelley in high school? Or just the “diversity manual” about “social justice” the Omaha Public Schools paid for with $130,000 of “stimulus” funding?
    By the way, went ahead and moved this over to the Financial forum.

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    Bill Clinton: Obama Should Ignore Congress on Debt, Invoke 14th Amendment

    Posted on July 19, 2011 at 9:07am
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    Former Democratic President Bill Clinton has come out swinging at Congress, telling The National Memo’s Joe Conason that he would take decisive action if no debt deal is reached by the August 2 deadline. Clinton says that if he were in Obama’s situation, he’d invoke the Fourteenth Amendment to raise America’s debt ceiling “without hesitation, and force the courts to stop me.”
    Clinton, who came out strongly against Republicans in an exclusive interview with The National Memo on Monday, said:
    “I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy.
    [Raising the ceiling] is necessary to pay for appropriations already made…so you can’t say, ‘Well, we won the last election and we didn’t vote for some of that stuff, so we’re going to throw the whole country’s credit into arrears.”
    Clinton faced his own debt battles as president during two government shut downs. Back then, though, he didn’t consider utilizing the Fourteenth Amendment, because the debt ceiling was not brought in as part of the overall debate. The National Memo has more:
    According to Clinton, the Gingrich Republicans thought about that tactic [using the debt ceiling] before rejecting it — and Treasury officials who served under Clinton commissioned legal research on the president’s power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. While some legal scholars believe the Fourteenth Amendment requires Congress to fund the debt that results from its appropriations, and therefore empowers the president to raise the debt ceiling, others vehemently disagree.
    The American Spectator takes issue with Clinton’s opinion on the matter, writing that the Fourteenth Amendment doe not call Congress to borrow monies whenever needed. Rather, the amendment instructs Congress to pay for what it spends:
    Meaning it can choose to cut spending, raise taxes, or print more currency. Arguing as Clinton does would also license the president to print more currency in order to pay the bills, effectively running down the value of the dollar.
    It‘s like saying that once you’ve maxed out all your credit cards, you have no choice but to transfer the balance to a new credit card.
    Some say Clinton isn’t the only prominent individual speaking out in support of unilateral use of the Fourteenth Amendment. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has also allegedly advocated its use. CNN Money has more:
    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has heightened the debate over the debt ceiling extension in recent weeks by implying that the President could simply push through an extension of the debt ceiling based on an interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.
    While some believe Geithner has been clear in advocating for the president’s use of the Fourteenth Amendment, others — including legal representation at the Treasury, itself — claim this isn’t the case. In a release published on July 8, 2011, a lawyer for the Treasure Department denied this allegation, writing:
    Secretary Geithner has never argued that the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows the President to disregard the statutory debt limit.
    According to the Treasury’s legal counsel, Geithner’s words thus far on the matter have been intended to compel Congress to take action on the debt limit. President Obama has avoided direct questioning on the matter, though, making it difficult to conclude exactly where he stands and what he will do if a plan is not reached.
    Despite Clinton’s claims that Obama should invoke the Fourteenth Amendment if needed, he tells Conason that he believes the situation will be remedied by August 2. The former president says that it looks as though an agreement will be made, which he calls “smart.”

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    Default Re: The Debt-deficit-US Credit Crisis

    Bill Clinton needs to go back to being Hillary's bitch and shut the fuck up.

    Courts won't be stopping this usurpation of power. The PEOPLE will be.
    Libertatem Prius!


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