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    China can defeat the U.S. militarily

    Wednesday, February 29, 2012

    ‘FIERCE OF MIEN BUT FAINT OF HEART’


    The recently announced shift in the U.S. strategic emphasis toward the Asia-Pacific region represents a strategic bluff by a declining America against a rising China that will fail because China can defeat the U.S. militarily.

    That’s the assessment of a leading spokesman for the People’s Liberation Army, as reported Tuesday in the state-run Chinese press.

    Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan was quoted in a long interview first published in Guangzhou Daily and reprinted throughout China’s main media outlets, including Xinhua News Agency.

    Gen. Luo is a prominent princeling whose father, Luo Qingchang, was Mao Zedong’s foreign intelligence and sabotage chief. He is one of the few high-ranking People’s Liberation Army officials allowed to make public statements on defense matters.

    Known for his hawkish views and bombastic style, Gen. Luo has been a frequent source of comments on the United States in official publications such as the People’s Daily, the PLA Daily, Xinhua and the Global Times.

    “America’s return to Asia-Pacific may well be a grave strategic mistake … the U.S., by so doing, has chosen a wrong time, a wrong place and a wrong adversary,” Gen. Luo was quoted as saying.

    It’s a wrong time, Gen. Luo elaborated, because the current ethos calls for peace and development, not war.

    It’s a wrong place because America’s homeland is still under grave danger, and Washington is still bogged down in the crisis-ridden Middle East. It’s a wrong adversary because, by choosing China as a presumed nemesis, the United States has chosen an enemy it cannot defeat.

    As to why U.S. defense officials developed a habit of saying the U.S. pivot to Asia-Pacific is not meant for China, Gen. Luo used a Chinese proverb to caricature this American way of public speaking.

    It is like a person in the folk tale who put up a sign saying “No 300 Taels of Silver Buried Here!” at the exact spot where he had hidden 300 taels of silver, Gen. Luo said, meaning a guilty person gives himself away by conspicuously protesting his innocence.

    Gen. Luo went to great lengths in the long interview to analyze U.S. strategic vulnerabilities that he claimed render the Pentagon’s pivot to Asia-Pacific meaningless.

    Topping his list are America’s continuing strategic focus on Europe despite recent Washington statements indicating otherwise; the gravely weakened U.S. economy, which will adversely affect the Pentagon’s military budget for beefing up forces in Asia-Pacific; and the lingering trauma inflicted on American society by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    “Today’s America,” Gen. Luo said, “is no longer able to extend all of its 10 fingers. It must retreat and clench the 10 fingers into a fist. This is what the Chinese call ‘fierce of mien but faint of heart.’“

    After dissing the United States, Gen. Luo predicted that a major military action in the South China Sea is “most likely” to occur this year as China’s “restraint” and “tolerance” over the South China Sea territorial disputes with several “little countries” will run out soon.

    CHINA UPSET OVER TAIWAN

    China’s official communist newspaper, the People’s Daily, on Tuesday joined a heated debate in Taiwan over the fact that fewer and fewer people in democratic Taiwan want to be regarded as “Chinese.”

    In a story headlined “Last year’s poll indicates only 4 percent of people in Taiwan think of themselves as Chinese,” the newspaper warned readers that a growing sentiment of separatism in Taiwan is poisoning people and the chief culprit is Taiwan’s new textbooks, which were revised under previous pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party administrations.

    Last week, Taiwan’s former premier and retired Gen. Hau Pei-tsun, who belongs to the mainland-friendly incumbent Kuomintang party, ignited a fierce debate in Taiwan after publishing an op-ed in the Chinese-language United Daily News in which he criticized Taiwan’s current history textbooks as “too Taiwan-centric.”

    Mr. Hau said a history textbook that his granddaughter is using “endangers the founding spirit of the Republic of China and carries a strong ideological tilt toward ‘one country on each side of the Taiwan Strait,’ ” which is a Democratic Progressive Party platform that denies Taiwan is part of China and says Taiwanese are not Chinese.

    China considers Taiwan a “sacrosanct island of the motherland” subject to be taken over by force if necessary.

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    Chi-Com Influence Op Revealed

    U.S. uncovers Chinese spying and influence campaign to derail Pentagon’s Asia buildup


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    BY: Bill Gertz - China’s intelligence agencies are conducting a major covert influence campaign aimed at derailing the Obama administration’s military shift to Asia, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

    According to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Air Sea Battle Concept—a Pentagon program to develop new weapons and capabilities to counter China’s military buildup—was a tightly guarded secret.

    In November, the Pentagon briefed reporters on the creation of the joint Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps office called the Air Sea Battle Office; this new office is developing new military strike capabilities that range from the use of special operations forces deep inside China, to long-range precision attacks with missiles and aircraft.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that the latest defense budget request protects—and in some cases increases—investment in power projection in Asia.

    “Since last summer, Air Sea Battle has become the highest Chinese intelligence priority,” said one official familiar with U.S. counterintelligence programs. “To protect the program, our counterintelligence efforts are crucial.”

    Pivot to Asia targeted

    As part of the shift to Asia, dubbed the “pivot,” the Pentagon will send 2,500 Marines to a base in northern Australia and move several new Littoral Combat Ships to Singapore. It is also bolstering alliances in the region, specifically with Japan, which is working closely with the U.S. military on missile defenses.

    The Chinese intelligence and influence targeting of the Air Sea Battle Concept is being led by Beijing’s military intelligence service, known as the Second Department of the People’s Liberation Army, or 2PLA. In 2010, that service began an aggressive spying program to learn about the Air Sea Battle program after its existence was publicly disclosed by a think tank.
    The 2PLA sent spies to the United States and spoke to academics who travel frequently to China in an effort to find out about the new Air Sea Battle Concept.

    Major General Yang Hui, the head of Chinese military intelligence, is believed by U.S. officials to be heading up the spying and influence operation. Yang secretly visited the Pentagon in October 2009 and during meetings with officials complained that the Pentagon was trying to undermine U.S.-China relations by disclosing information to the press about China’s military activities.

    Two other intelligence-related units were also linked to the anti-Pentagon spying program.

    One is the PLA’s General Political Department, a unit under the Central Military Commission, the most powerful organ of government in China.

    The U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission identified the General Political Department in a draft report last year as having an “intelligence bureau” that worked with a group of retired U.S. and Chinese generals and admirals called the Sanya Initiative. The initiative lobbied Congress and the Pentagon to soften its annual report to Congress on China’s military buildup.

    The report also said the Chinese sponsor of Sanya “is linked to the Intelligence Bureau of the Liaison Department of the PLA’s General Political Department … [with additional] ties to both the Ministry of State Security and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.”

    The Ministry of State Security is China’s civilian intelligence agency. The Liaison Department of the PLA is in charge of “conducting propaganda and psychological operations directed at other militaries.”

    A civilian Communist Party organ called the United Front Work Department, a quasi-intelligence group under the Party Central Committee, is also engaged in intelligence-gathering operations.

    U.S. counterintelligence officials learned about the Chinese spying and influence program because the Pentagon had launched a special program that was designed to protect Air Sea Battle. The Air Force Office of Special Investigations and the FBI conducted the joint anti-Chinese intelligence program.

    Pentagon and FBI counterintelligence spokesmen declined to comment on the Chinese program and U.S. efforts to counter it.

    Document lists influence themes

    One key to understanding the Chinese program was a document obtained by U.S. intelligence listing at least five themes being used by the Chinese in the effort to stop Air Sea Battle programs.

    According to officials familiar with the influence themes, China has been telling its agents and others who can influence U.S. policy that Air Sea Battle is provocative and will undermine the official U.S. policy of building trust and closer relations between the two countries.

    Additionally, Chinese influence organs—state-controlled news media, government think tanks, their officials, and others—have hinted that Air Sea Battle would never be successful in conducting attacks deep inside China against its weapons systems and infrastructure because China’s nuclear forces would be used in retaliation.

    China is modernizing its nuclear arsenal with new missiles, including two long-range road-mobile ICBMs, a new submarine-launched ballistic missile and a new land-attack cruise missile. All these would be used to attack the United States if it were to engage in a war against China in the future, according to this propaganda theme.

    A third influence theme is that U.S. allies in Asia and elsewhere will oppose all U.S. efforts to conduct military operations against China and would prevent U.S. forces from attacking China by limiting the use of U.S. military bases in Asia.

    The U.S. military currently has forces in Japan and South Korea and will send Marines to Australia. It is also negotiating returning some military forces to the Philippines, where both air and naval forces were based until the 1980s.

    More counterspying needed

    Some officials said they are concerned that too little is being done to prevent China from influencing the U.S. government regarding the new battle concept and that U.S. intelligence gathering in China is too limited by policy officials worried about upsetting diplomatic and economic relations.

    U.S. military spying will need to be increased as part of Air Sea Battle to better identify weaknesses and vulnerabilities in both China’s government and military that could be exploited in a future conflict.

    Counterintelligence officials said they are eager to step up efforts against Chinese intelligence and the anti-Air Sea Battle effort. Little is publicly said about Chinese spying, but the current administration is reluctant to engage in large-scale counterintelligence operations against China.

    Battle concept surprised China

    Former State Department intelligence analyst John Tkacik said disclosures about Air Sea Battle three years ago caught the Chinese military by surprise.

    “Almost immediately [they] tasked all their intelligence assets, from overt military attaches to informal academic ‘Track-2’ scholars, to find out what it was all about,” Tkacik told the Washington Free Beacon.

    Tkacik said U.S. secrecy frustrated the Chinese who were unable to learn details.

    “When it came into the open last November, the Chinese immediately saw it as a doctrine designed to counterbalance their own expansion in the Western Pacific,” he said. “After all, the idea is for the United States to supply air and sea power projection to augment the ground forces of allied and friendly countries in the region that might be threatened by, who else?”

    As a result, the Chinese are now engaged in a full-court press to discredit Air Sea Battle as somehow “aimed at containing China,” Tkacik said.

    The success of the influence pressure can be seen in the “poor quality of debate within the U.S. government on Air Sea Battle,” Tkacik said.

    “None of it really addresses China’s current military rise, but instead focuses on how to appease China’s indignation,” he said.

    Richard Fisher, a China affairs specialist with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the major influence and propaganda campaign by China against Air Sea Battle was expected.

    “Those who go out of their way to say the Air Sea Battle is not ‘China-focused’ may think they are being politically correct, but they are also helping China to undermine its political support in Washington,” Fisher said.

    “China can be expected to undertake many types of influence operations, ranging from giving its favor to mainstream think tanks and journalists who talk down or oppose the Air Sea Battle Concept, to urging its friends in other Asian capitals to oppose this U.S. concept, to its being added to the regular list of complaints against U.S. policy that every American visitor will have to listen to ad nauseam,” he added.

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    F-22 is irrelevant in a Sino-American conflict



    The F-22 Raptor is a marvelous piece of engineering. On a scale of 1 to 100 for stealth, I would rate it a "99" (e.g. lose one point for RAM-coated mechanical adjuster for airduct flow). For the J-20 Mighty Dragon, I would rate it a "97" (e.g. lose one point each for canard, ventral fin, and slight bump along exterior airduct; I'm assuming they'll eventually install flat engine nozzles.).

    The important insight is that F-22s will never be a factor in a Sino-American conflict. The F-22 has a short combat radius of only 479 miles or 759 km (see http://en.wikipedia....#Specifications).

    Fuel drop tanks can't be used in a Sino-American scenario, because the F-22 will become vulnerable and easily detected by Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS. You can try to use somewhat stealthy drop tanks, but it won't matter as I will shortly explain.

    A fighter with a short combat radius is dependent on an airbase close to the Chinese coastline. Without a base to resupply fuel or ordnance, a fighter is useless. This is precisely the problem confronting the United States in a conflict scenario with China. Looking at the map below, you will see that the U.S. only has a few bases in Japan and South Korea. These U.S. bases can be easily wiped out by a coordinated strike from Chinese ballistic and cruise missiles.

    To avoid this problem, U.S. aircraft will have to be moved to Guam. Unfortunately, Chinese missiles can also destroy Guam and any US fighter aircraft based on Guam will be too far away to engage in combat near the Chinese coastline. Therefore, the only conclusion is that the F-22 Raptor is not a factor in a potential Sino-American conflict.



    The US only has a few bases in Japan and South Korea. These bases are extremely vulnerable to coordinated Chinese ballistic and cruise missile strikes.

    US missile defense is useless when the other side is launching hundreds or thousands of missiles at you. Furthermore, no one has claimed 100% effectiveness for US missile defense under battlefield conditions. US missile defense is further complicated by the prospects of stealthy Chinese cruise missiles (e.g. HN-2000) and ballistic MARV (maneuverable re-entry vehicle) warheads.

    The largest U.S. airbase in Asia is Kadena Air Base in Japan.

    http://www.kadena.af.mil/index.asp

    "Kadena Air Base is the hub of airpower in the Pacific, and home to the Air Force's largest combat wing -- the 18th Wing -- and a variety of associate units. Together they form "Team Kadena" -- a world-class combat team ready to fight and win from the Keystone of the Pacific.

    Nearly 18,000 Americans and more than 4,000 Japanese employees and contractors make up Team Kadena. The base's estimated economic impact upon Okinawa's economy is more than $700 million annually."



    U.S. Kadena Air Base, "the hub of airpower in the Pacific," can be destroyed by 34 Chinese missiles with submunition warhead. China has approximately 1,800 short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs) aimed at Taiwan alone.

    http://www.defensene...es-Taiwan-2012-

    "China 'To Target 1,800 Missiles at Taiwan In 2012'
    May. 20, 2011 - 06:00AM | By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

    TAIPEI - The number of Chinese missiles targeted at Taiwan is likely to reach 1,800 next year, despite improving ties between the former arch-rivals, Taiwanese media said May 20.

    The Liberty Times newspaper cited a military intelligence report as providing the forecast.

    Taiwanese experts have estimated that China currently has more than 1,600 missiles aimed at the island, mostly deployed in Fujian and Jiangxi provinces in the mainland's southeast."

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    1600 missiles aimed at the islands....

    Atari Missile Command, anyone?
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    Inside China: PLA says war with U.S. imminent

    By Miles Yu
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    Wednesday, June 27, 2012




    A Chinese general recently offered an alarming assessment that a future conflict with the United States is coming as a result of U.S. “containment” policies.

    The release last week of a transcribed speech by People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Maj. Gen. Peng Guangqian revealed the harsh words toward the United States and those in China he regards as muddle-headed peacenik intellectuals.

    Gen. Peng, a well-known PLA strategist, has a hawkish reputation and a large following in China. The speech was given in December at an event hosted by Xinhua news agency in Beijing. An abbreviated transcript was published June 21 on the Chinese military website Leiting, or Thunder.

    “The United States has been exhausting all its resources to establish a strategic containment system specifically targeting China,” Gen. Peng said.”The contradictions between China and the United States are structural, not to be changed by any individual, whether it is G.H.W. Bush, G.W. Bush or Barack Obama, it will not make a difference to these contradictions.”

    The general specifically criticized two views prevalent among some analysts in Beijing and Washington that a U.S.-China military conflict will not happen anytime soon because of mutual economic dependency between the two nations. He also attacked the popular view that the U.S.-China relationship can’t be too good but can’t be too bad, either.

    Gen. Peng criticized what he sees as an all-out endeavor by the United States to encircle China. “Some people keep saying that we have friends all over the world. But I have used a magnifying glass trying to find some friendly countries on a world map. And I kept looking and looking, but failed to find any except a containment circle around us longer than the Great Wall of China!” Gen. Peng said.

    “The reason why China does not have an especially strong sense of crisis is that we chant ‘peace and harmony’ everywhere in the world, which was originally intended for the world to hear, but such chanting has left us kidding ourselves and paralyzed. Now no one is willing to think about war,” he said.

    ORDER TO DISCLOSE ASSETS

    The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) recently demanded that all PLA senior officials disclose their personal assets, a measure that appears aimed at curbing rampant corruption within the communist military hierarchy, according to the official military newspaper PLA Daily.

    The Communist Party’s ultimate regime support comes from the People’s Liberation Army. Founding CCP dictator Mao Zedong famously coined the phrase, “Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.”

    Many analysts think this is a key reason why the PLA is notorious for having extraordinary access to privileges and special perks denied to most Chinese and that this necessarily led to rampant corruption within the PLA.

    The PLA at one time operated tens of thousands of businesses, easily evading Chinese customs and tax authorities in large-scale smuggling and tax-evasion schemes. Corruption within the PLA was so widespread that in the late 1990s, the ruling Politburo stepped in and banned the PLA from operating any businesses.

    But loopholes to operating military-run businesses remain and are growing.

    In 2006, the Chinese navy’s second in command, Vice Adm. Wang Shouye, was found to have kept five mistresses and embezzled public funds estimated to be worth millions of dollars.

    In February, Lt. Gen. Gu Junshan, deputy chief of the PLA’s general logistics department, was purged after it was discovered he was linked to illicit real estate schemes and for what state media called “self-aggrandizement.”

    Yet observers think the latest anti-graft measure targeting the PLA is not fair and most likely is an excuse for CCP leader Hu Jintao and his civilian leadership team to initiate a leadership shakeup within the PLA and force it to follow party orders.

    Since March of this year, when the scandal that ousted regional party boss Bo Xilai broke out, the PLA has been sharply impacted by the ongoing power struggle in the months before to the party’s major 18th Congress, set to convene in the fall, when major power realignments will take place in Beijing.

    Inside China, rumors of military discontent toward the Hu Jintao core leadership are widespread. At times, there has been word of an impending military coup, indicating divisiveness and unease within the senior ranks of the PLA. Those attitudes are confirmed consistently, although indirectly, by the central political leadership’s repeated calls for resolutely adhering to Hu dictates published in PLA propaganda outlets.

    Last week, for example, the PLA Daily published articles condemning “subpar loyalty of military cadres to the CCP leadership headed by Comrade Hu Jintao” and warning that all PLA personnel must be politically savvy and not be affected by “distractions.”

    Calls for public disclosure of all high-ranking CCP leaders’ assets have been made in China for many years. No civilian leader, however, openly endorsed the idea, let alone carried out a voluntary disclosure of assets.

    • Miles Yu’s column appears Thursdays. He can be reached at mmilesyu@gmail.com.

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    U.S. model for a future war fans tensions with China and inside Pentagon

    By Greg Jaffe, Published: August 1



    When President Obama called on the U.S. military to shift its focus to Asia earlier this year, Andrew Marshall, a 91-year-old futurist, had a vision of what to do.

    Marshall’s small office in the Pentagon has spent the past two decades planning for a war against an angry, aggressive and heavily armed China.

    No one had any idea how the war would start. But the American response, laid out in a concept that one of Marshall’s longtime proteges dubbed “Air-Sea Battle,” was clear.

    Stealthy American bombers and submarines would knock out China’s long-range surveillance radar and precision missile systems located deep inside the country. The initial “blinding campaign” would be followed by a larger air and naval assault.

    The concept, the details of which are classified, has angered the Chinese military and has been pilloried by some Army and Marine Corps officers as excessively expensive. Some Asia analysts worry that conventional strikes aimed at China could spark a nuclear war.

    Air-Sea Battle drew little attention when U.S. troops were fighting and dying in large numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the military’s decade of battling insurgencies is ending, defense budgets are being cut, and top military officials, ordered to pivot toward Asia, are looking to Marshall’s office for ideas.

    In recent months, the Air Force and Navy have come up with more than 200 initiatives they say they need to realize Air-Sea Battle. The list emerged, in part, from war games conducted by Marshall’s office and includes new weaponry and proposals to deepen cooperation between the Navy and the Air Force.

    A former nuclear strategist, Marshall has spent the past 40 years running the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment, searching for potential threats to American dominance. In the process, he has built a network of allies in Congress, in the defense industry, at think tanks and at the Pentagon that amounts to a permanent Washington bureaucracy.

    While Marshall’s backers praise his office as a place where officials take the long view, ignoring passing Pentagon fads, critics see a dangerous tendency toward alarmism that is exaggerating the China threat to drive up defense spending.

    “The old joke about the Office of Net Assessment is that it should be called the Office of Threat Inflation,” said Barry Posen, director of the MIT Security Studies Program. “They go well beyond exploring the worst cases. . . . They convince others to act as if the worst cases are inevitable.”

    Marshall dismisses criticism that his office focuses too much on China as a future enemy, saying it is the Pentagon’s job to ponder worst-case scenarios.

    “We tend to look at not very happy futures,” he said in a recent interview.

    China tensions

    Even as it has embraced Air-Sea Battle, the Pentagon has struggled to explain it without inflaming already tense relations with China. The result has been an information vacuum that has sown confusion and controversy.

    Senior Chinese military officials warn that the Pentagon’s new effort could spark an arms race.

    “If the U.S. military develops Air-Sea Battle to deal with the [People’s Liberation Army], the PLA will be forced to develop anti-Air-Sea Battle,” one officer, Col. Gaoyue Fan, said last year in a debate sponsored by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a defense think tank.

    Pentagon officials counter that the concept is focused solely on defeating precision missile systems.

    “It’s not about a specific actor,” a senior defense official told reporters last year. “It is not about a specific regime.”

    The heads of the Air Force and Navy, meanwhile, have maintained that Air-Sea Battle has applications even beyond combat. The concept could help the military reach melting ice caps in the Arctic Circle or a melted-down nuclear reactor in Japan, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, the U.S. chief of naval operations, said in May at the Brookings Institution.

    At the same event, Gen. Norton Schwartz, the Air Force chief, upbraided a retired Marine colonel who asked how Air-Sea Battle might be employed in a war with China.

    “This inclination to narrow down on a particular scenario is unhelpful,” Schwartz said.

    Privately, senior Pentagon officials concede that Air-Sea Battle’s goal is to help U.S. forces weather an initial Chinese assault and counterattack to destroy sophisticated radar and missile systems built to keep U.S. ships away from China’s coastline.

    Their concern is fueled by the steady growth in China’s defense spending, which has increased to as much as $180 billion a year, or about one-third of the Pentagon’s budget, and China’s increasingly aggressive behavior in the South China Sea.

    “We want to put enough uncertainty in the minds of Chinese military planners that they would not want to take us on,” said a senior Navy official overseeing the service’s modernization efforts. “Air-Sea Battle is all about convincing the Chinese that we will win this competition.”

    Like others quoted in this article, the official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

    A military tech ‘revolution’

    Air-Sea Battle grew out of Marshall’s fervent belief, dating to the 1980s, that technological advancements were on the verge of ushering in a new epoch of war.

    New information technology allowed militaries to fire within seconds of finding the enemy. Better precision bombs guaranteed that the Americans could hit their targets almost every time. Together these advances could give conventional bombs almost the same power as small nuclear weapons, Marshall surmised.

    Marshall asked his military assistant, a bright officer with a Harvard doctorate, to draft a series of papers on the coming “revolution in military affairs.” The work captured the interest of dozens of generals and several defense secretaries.

    Eventually, senior military leaders, consumed by bloody, low-tech wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, seemed to forget about Marshall’s revolution. Marshall, meanwhile, zeroed in on China as the country most likely to exploit the revolution in military affairs and supplant the United States’ position as the world’s sole superpower.

    In recent years, as the growth of China’s military has outpaced most U.S. intelligence projections, interest in China as a potential rival to the United States has soared.

    “In the blink of an eye, people have come to take very seriously the China threat,” said Andrew Hoehn, a senior vice president at Rand Corp. “They’ve made very rapid progress.”

    Most of Marshall’s writings over the past four decades are classified. He almost never speaks in public and even in private meetings is known for his long stretches of silence.

    His influence grows largely out of his study budget, which in recent years has floated between $13 million and $19 million and is frequently allocated to think tanks, defense consultants and academics with close ties to his office. More than half the money typically goes to six firms.

    Among the largest recipients is the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a defense think tank run by retired Lt. Col. Andrew Krepinevich, the Harvard graduate who wrote the first papers for Marshall on the revolution in military affairs.

    In the past 15 years, CSBA has run more than two dozen China war games for Marshall’s office and written dozens of studies. The think tank typically collects about $2.75 million to $3 million a year, about 40 percent of its annual revenue, from Marshall’s office, according to Pentagon statistics and CSBA’s most recent financial filings.

    Krepinevich makes about $865,000 in salary and benefits, or almost double the compensation paid out to the heads of other nonpartisan think tanks such as the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the Brookings Institution. CSBA said its board sets executive compensation based on a review of salaries at other organizations doing similar work.

    The war games run by CSBA are set 20 years in the future and cast China as a hegemonic and aggressive enemy.

    Guided anti-ship missiles sink U.S. aircraft carriers and other surface ships. Simultaneous Chinese strikes destroy American air bases, making it impossible for the U.S. military to launch its fighter jets. The outnumbered American force fights back with conventional strikes on China’s mainland, knocking out long-range precision missiles and radar.

    “The fundamental problem is the same one that the Soviets identified 30 years ago,” Krepinevich said in an interview. “If you can see deep and shoot deep with a high degree of accuracy, our large bases are not sanctuaries. They are targets.”

    Some critics doubt that China, which owns $1.6 trillion in U.S. debt and depends heavily on the American economy, would strike U.S. forces out of the blue.

    “It is absolutely fraudulent,” said Jonathan D. Pollack, a senior fellow at Brookings. “What is the imaginable context or scenario for this attack?”

    Other defense analysts warn that an assault on the Chinese mainland carries potentially catastrophic risks and could quickly escalate to nuclear armageddon.

    The war games elided these concerns. Instead they focused on how U.S. forces would weather the initial Chinese missile salvo and attack.

    To survive, allied commanders dispersed their planes to austere airfields on the Pacific islands of Tinian and Palau. They built bomb-resistant aircraft shelters and brought in rapid runway repair kits to fix damaged airstrips.

    Stealthy bombers and quiet submarines waged a counterattack. The allied approach became the basis for the Air-Sea Battle.

    Think tank’s paper

    Although the Pentagon has struggled to talk publicly about Air-Sea Battle, CSBA has not been similarly restrained. In 2010, it published a 125-page paper outlining how the concept could be used to fight a war with China.

    The paper contains less detail than the classified Pentagon version. Shortly after its publication, U.S. allies in Asia, frustrated by the Pentagon’s silence on the subject, began looking to CSBA for answers.

    “We started to get a parade of senior people, particularly from Japan, though also Taiwan and to a lesser extent China, saying, ‘So, this is what Air-Sea Battle is,’ ” Krepinevich said this year at an event at another think tank.

    Soon, U.S. officials began to hear complaints.

    “The PLA went nuts,” said a U.S. official who recently returned from Beijing.

    Told that Air-Sea Battle was not aimed at China, one PLA general replied that the CSBA report mentioned the PLA 190 times, the official said. (The actual count is closer to 400.)

    Inside the Pentagon, the Army and Marine Corps have mounted offensives against the concept, which could lead to less spending on ground combat.

    An internal assessment, prepared for the Marine Corps commandant and obtained by The Washington Post, warns that “an Air-Sea Battle-focused Navy and Air Force would be preposterously expensive to build in peace time” and would result in “incalculable human and economic destruction” if ever used in a major war with China.

    The concept, however, aligns with Obama’s broader effort to shift the U.S. military’s focus toward Asia and provides a framework for preserving some of the Pentagon’s most sophisticated weapons programs, many of which have strong backing in Congress.

    Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) and John Cornyn (R-Tex.) inserted language into the 2012 Defense Authorization bill requiring the Pentagon to issue a report this year detailing its plans for implementing the concept. The legislation orders the Pentagon to explain what weapons systems it will need to carry out Air-Sea Battle, its timeline for implementing the concept and an estimate of the costs associated with it.

    Lieberman and Cornyn’s staff turned to an unsurprising source when drafting the questions.

    “We asked CSBA for help,” one of the staffers said. “In a lot of ways, they created it.”

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    Gee whiz. They look like pennies.
    Huan a go to war? ....It's all about $$$$.

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    Air-Sea Battle.

    Sounds more retro than futuristic.

    Think about D-Day.
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    Anyway... Massively overwhelming military superiority.

    Yup....

    Too bad we're no longer in a position to do that.
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    US plan for war with China may spark nuclear strikes: Expert

    China News.Net Thursday 9th August, 2012

    The U.S. Government might deny it, but Barack Obama's former intelligence chief has confirmed China is a principal target of a major U.S. war plan.

    The American plan, known as Air-Sea Battle in Washington, is strategically flawed, Australia's foremost regional defence expert has said.

    Hugh White said that the plan also risks escalating a US-China struggle to the level of nuclear strikes.

    It is also known to have angered the Chinese military, and the confirmation is likely to be viewed with displeasure in Beijing.

    Admiral Dennis Blair, a straight-talking Asia expert who until 2010 was Obama's director of national intelligence, provided the confirmation.

    When asked about Air-Sea Battle and whether it directly related to China, Admiral Blair said: "I'm not in the Pentagon any more, so I can't say [what] that [is] in particular, but it doesn't take any classified piece of information to let you know that countries like Iran and China ... have taken advantage of technology in terms of submarines and missiles to be able to keep US maritime and air forces at a distance."

    According to The Age, as a result, he said, it was the job of U.S. military commanders to "figure out ways that we can send our forces to conduct military operations despite these sorts of threats".

    Professor White, the author of a just-published book on the US-China relationship is also a strong critic of Air-Sea Battle, which he says has three fundamental problems.Firstly, I don't think it will work; second, even if it does work operationally it won't achieve its strategic aims; and thirdly it runs a very strong sense of escalating to a nuclear war," White said.

    Professor White said the battle plan was also an old 20th century concept that is being repackaged for a 21st century enemy.

    "The US has always done sea control in the Pacific, but what's changed? The enemy has changed. And he has a boat, as they say," Professor White said.
    Admiral Blair also believes it is an old strategy that has been repackaged.

    "The concept is nothing new, in typical American fashion we often pour the old wine into new bottles with fancy new labels. But the navy and air force co-operating to be able to get to our allies that are within range of Chinese missiles is nothing new, and most Americans expect that to be their job," Blair said. (ANI)

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    China is angling to take over a U.S. airbase in the Azores
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    On June 27, a plane carrying Wen Jiabao made a “technical” stop on the island of Terceira, in the Azores. Following an official greeting by Alamo Meneses, the regional secretary of environment of the sea, the Chinese premier spent four hours touring the remote Portuguese outpost in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

    Wen’s Terceira walkabout, which followed a four-nation visit to South America, largely escaped notice at the time, but alarm bells should have immediately gone off in Washington and in European capitals. For one thing, Wen’s last official stop on the trip was Santiago, the capital of Chile. Flights from Chile to China normally cross the Pacific, not the Atlantic, so there was no reason for his plane to be near the Azores. Moreover, those who visit the Azores generally favor other islands in the out-of-the-way chain.

    Terceira, however, has one big attraction for Beijing: Air Base No. 4. Better known as Lajes Field, the facility where Premier Wen’s 747 landed in June is jointly operated by the U.S. Air Force and its Portuguese counterpart. If China controlled the base, the Atlantic would no longer be secure. From the 10,865-foot runway on the northeast edge of the island, Chinese planes could patrol the northern and central portions of the Atlantic and thereby cut air and sea traffic between the U.S. and Europe. Beijing would also be able to deny access to the nearby Mediterranean Sea. And China could target the American homeland. Lajes is less than 2,300 miles from New York, shorter than the distance between Pearl Harbor and Los Angeles.

    Lajes is certainly the reason Wen went out of his way to win friends in Terceira. For years his country has been trying to make inroads into the Azores and waiting for opportunities to pounce. There is nothing the Chinese can do if the U.S. stays, but Pentagon budget cutters, according to some observers, are planning to make Lajes a “ghost base.”

    At one time, the facility was critically important. During World War II, the airfield was instrumental in hunting U-boats, and in the Cold War the base helped the West track the Soviets. Lajes was a busy transit point in the Gulf War. It was one of the spots where the Space Shuttle could have landed in an emergency.

    Now Lajes is home to the USAF’s 65th Air Base Wing, which supports American and NATO aircraft transiting the Atlantic, and it hosts various other American military units. Its role, nonetheless, is greatly diminished. Peace in the North Atlantic and advances in air-to-air refueling have decreased the importance of the strategic runway, which is now rarely used by the U.S.

    So from a purely military point of view, the decision to cease operations at Lajes makes sense. The effective closure of the field, however, would send Terceira into a tailspin. While agriculture forms the basis of the island’s economy, the base directly accounts for about one in 20 jobs there. Unemployment is already high, about 10 percent. If Terceira is to have any future, the Portuguese government will have to find a new major tenant for Air Base No. 4.

    In recent years, Beijing has identified Portugal as its entry point into Europe, and Chinese officials now know their way to Lisbon. It is in this context that the Portuguese are already thinking about the planned closure of Lajes Field. They don’t want to invite the Chinese in, but they have quietly indicated they will have no choice if the U.S. Air Force decides to leave the base.

    “We have a close relationship with Portugal,” the Defense Department told NRO when asked about the planned closure of Lajes and Beijing’s apparent interest in taking it over. “They are an important NATO ally and bilateral partner, and we continue to discuss our strong defense cooperation, in Portugal and around the world.”

    We will, as a longtime ally, need to work closely with Lisbon over an especially thorny issue, but in the interim, there are things that can be done. For instance, it’s not entirely clear why the U.S. Africa Command should be based at Kelley Barracks, outside Stuttgart. A transfer of the approximately 1,500 staff there to Lajes, which is much closer to Africa, would solve the problem overnight, and the move might actually improve Africom’s effectiveness.

    There are undoubtedly other stopgap solutions that the Pentagon could implement. None of them will be perfect, but all of them would be better than having Beijing’s red flag flying over the Atlantic — and permitting Chinese aircraft to patrol the waters connecting America to Europe.

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    The Secret Document That Proves China Considers The United States To Be A Mortal Enemy

    By Michael Snyder, on August 20th, 2013



    If you believe that China is our “friend”, then you have been deceived. While U.S. politicians, the mainstream media and the U.S. military may consider China to be a “friend” and a “partner”, the Chinese see things very, very differently. As you will see below, documents produced at the highest levels of the Chinese government make it abundantly clear that China considers the United States to be a mortal enemy. Unfortunately, in the west we have naively assumed that if we opened up trade with China that they would want to be more like us. Instead, opening up trade with China has allowed them to severely damage us economically while continuing to loudly denounce “western constitutional democracy” at the same time.

    The truth is that China is not like us and they never intend to be. The Chinese people do not get to choose their leaders in free elections, and the Communist Party in China never intends to allow that to happen.

    The Chinese people do not have freedom of speech or freedom of religion, and the Communist Party in China never intends to give the general population those freedoms.

    In most cases, Chinese families do not even have the freedom to have more than one child, and if a Chinese family tries to buck the system a mobile abortion van may show up at their front door.
    The Chinese system is horribly repressive, and in many ways it continues to get even worse.

    And officials in China definitely do not consider the United States to be a “partner”. Rather, they consider the United States to be a rival that needs to be vanquished.

    This attitude comes through very clearly in a Chinese government memo known as “Document No. 9″ that the New York Times was recently able to get a copy of…
    Communist Party cadres have filled meeting halls around China to hear a somber, secretive warning issued by senior leaders. Power could escape their grip, they have been told, unless the party eradicates seven subversive currents coursing through Chinese society.

    These seven perils were enumerated in a memo, referred to as Document No. 9, that bears the unmistakable imprimatur of Xi Jinping, China’s new top leader. The first was “Western constitutional democracy”; others included promoting “universal values” of human rights, Western-inspired notions of media independence and civic participation, ardently pro-market “neo-liberalism,” and “nihilist” criticisms of the party’s traumatic past.
    “Document No. 9″ sounds very similar to another “anti-western Communist Party document” that was reported on earlier this year in the Sunday Times by Michael Sheridan
    A hostile anti-western Communist Party document circulating among hundreds of Chinese officials has given the first proof that Xi’s leadership is set on a hard line against liberal foreign influences.

    It tells officials they must “completely understand the harm of viewpoints and theories propagated by the West” and emphasises the need for China to “stand up against the West” by becoming rich and strong.

    The communist faithful are exhorted to strengthen their leadership, to be “relentless” in political guidance and to “use battlefield tactics” to defeat liberals and dissidents.
    Are you starting to get the picture?

    China has no intention of becoming more like us. In fact, Chinese officials hate our liberties and our freedoms.
    And the Chinese military actually considers the United States to be their “enemy-in-chief”. That is exactly how the U.S. is described in a recent paper which was drafted by the PLA’s deputy chief of staff
    China’s military considers the United States “enemy-in-chief” and, as it has done for decades, maintains a shroud of secrecy around the PLA’s size, capabilities, and intentions. That much is clear from a recent paper written by the PLA’s deputy chief of the general staff, the number two military man in China, for the Study Times, the official newspaper of the Communist Party School.
    In addition, some top military officials in China have even advocated using nuclear weapons against the United States first in the event of a military conflict between our two countries…
    Gen. Zhu Chenghu expressed willingness to abandon China’s “no first use” nuclear weapons policy, to defend its claim over Taiwan and argued that China should use nuclear weapons against the United States should its military interfere. A 2011 editorial in the Global Times (an English edition of the Communist Party of China’s official newspaper) warned that countries involved in sea disputes with China “need to prepare for the sounds of cannons.”

    For now, China is content to trade with us because it benefits them. Chinese officials consider every interaction with the west to be part of a grand game of chess which is marching toward an inevitable conclusion, and they very much plan on being the victors.

    And without a doubt, China is defeating the United States on a whole host of fronts right now. The following examples are from one of my previous articles entitled 40 Ways That China Is Beating America

    #1 When you total up all imports and exports of goods, China is now the number one trading nation on the entire planet.

    #2 During 2012, we sold about 110 billion dollars worth of stuff to the Chinese, but they sold about 425 billion dollars worth of stuff to us. That was the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world.

    #3 Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars.

    #4 China now has the largest new car market in the entire world.

    #5 China has more foreign currency reserves than anyone else on the planet.

    #6 China is the number one gold producer in the world.

    #7 China is also the number one gold importer in the world.

    #8 The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.

    #9 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China.

    #10 The new World Trade Center tower is going to include glass that has been imported from China.

    #11 The new Martin Luther King memorial on the National Mall was made in China.

    #12 One of the reasons it is so hard to export stuff to China is because of their tariffs. According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China thanks to all the tariffs.

    #13 The Chinese economy has grown 7 times faster than the U.S. economy has over the past decade.

    #14 The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

    #15 The United States has lost an average of 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

    #16 Overall, the United States has lost a total of more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

    #17 According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

    #18 China now produces more than twice as many automobiles as the United States does.

    #19 Since the auto industry bailout, approximately 70 percent of all GM vehicles have been built outside the United States.

    #20 After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, General Motors is currently involved in 11 joint ventures with companies owned by the Chinese government. The price for entering into many of these “joint ventures” was a transfer of “state of the art technology” from General Motors to the communist Chinese.

    #21 Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world’s high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Ten years later, the United States had less than 15 percent and China’s share had soared to 20 percent.

    #22 The United States has lost more than a quarter of all of its high-tech manufacturing jobs over the past ten years.

    #23 China’s number one export to the U.S. is computer equipment, but the number one U.S. export to China is “scrap and trash”.

    #24 The U.S. trade deficit with China is now more than 30 times larger than it was back in 1990.

    #25 China now consumes more energy than the United States does.

    #26 China is now the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.

    #27 China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.

    #28 China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.

    #29 There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined.

    #30 Today, China produces nearly twice as much beer as the United States does.

    #31 Right now, China is producing more than three times as much coal as the United States does.

    #33 China now produces 11 times as much steel as the United States does.

    #34 China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.

    #35 China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of U.S. defense systems.

    #36 A recent investigation by the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services found more than one million counterfeit Chinese parts in the Department of Defense supply chain.

    #37 15 years ago, China was 14th in the world in published scientific research articles. But now, China is expected to pass the United States and become number one very shortly.

    #38 China now awards more doctoral degrees in engineering each year than the United States does.

    #39 The average household debt load in the United States is 136% of average household income. In China, the average household debt load is 17% of average household income.

    #40 The Chinese have begun to buy up huge amounts of U.S. real estate. In fact, Chinese citizens purchased one out of every ten homes that were sold in the state of California in 2011.

    Sadly, most of the people that will end up reading this article will not take it seriously.

    In fact, there will inevitably be quite a few comments left after this article mocking the idea that China considers us to be “the enemy”.

    A lot of Americans have been deluded into thinking that China “needs us” and that they always will. But that is not how the Chinese think. Once they have extracted as much wealth and technology from us as they want, they will have no problem turning on us.

    The Chinese truly believe that their system is superior to ours and that they will win in the end. Most Americans will never understand this until it is far too late.

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    George Soros just said something very worrying about China’s debt dilemma By Gwynn

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    George Soros just said something very worrying about China’s debt dilemma. A failure to reform will result in military confrontation abroad.


    "The major uncertainty facing the world today is not the euro but the future direction of China."

    The biggest risk that the world economy now faces isn’t the stability of the euro zone or the logjam of US politics, according to famed investor and philanthropist George Soros.
    Rather, China is the reason to doubt optimism about the global economy, he says.

    Soros’s concern, expressed in a column for Project Syndicate, is that the Communist Party’s renewed focus on economic growth is at odds with its commitment to structural reform.

    He also likens China’s financial condition to those in the US before the financial crisis.

    [T]here is an unresolved self-contradiction in China’s current policies: restarting the furnaces also reignites exponential debt growth, which cannot be sustained for much longer than a couple of years,” writes Soros.


    “How and when this contradiction will be resolved will have profound consequences for China and the world.”

    Of course, he isn’t the only China bear.


    Among others, Patrick Chovanec of Silvercrest Asset Management, an expert on China’s economy, also argues that optimists are missing something big.

    “Western investors largely ignored the cash crunch [in Dec. 2013] and failed to grasp its potential significance,” Chovanec wrote in Bloomberg.


    “These repeated crises are a sign that the foundations of China’s investment-driven growth model are crumbling—with unsettling implications for the rest of the global economy.”
    Why are people tuning out the warning bells?


    Both Soros and Chovanec point to misinterpretations of the Chinese president Xi Jinping’s pledge for sweeping reforms in the country’s agenda-setting Third Plenum in November.
    For one, the fact that the Party committed to these reforms doesn’t give a clear picture of whether it can pull them off.
    So far, it’s fumbled; every time the government tries to wind down lending to push companies and local governments to slash their debts, it sets off cash shortages like the ones that occurred last June and December.

    The potential global consequences of China’s debt dilemma include the impact on commodity prices, automobile exports, and even foreign banks, writes Chovanec.

    The impact could expand well beyond the economy per se: Soros says a failure to reform will result in “military confrontation abroad.”

    And yet, despite similar doomsaying on China over the last half-decade, the country has never seen anything close to a hard landing; it has produced stellar GDP figures and soaring trade deficits even as the global economy withered.

    That track record says very little about China’s ability to adapt to change, though.

    Since 2003, the government has promised massive growth while offering scant reform.

    Meanwhile, it has allayed fears about the economy with gushes of credit.

    China bulls may be assuming that reform will come as easily as the government’s promises of growth.

    But this time may actually be different: We’re beginning to see signs that, when it comes to reform, the government can’t or won’t deliver.

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    We've been predicting conflict for some time now.

    And China has been doing so since 2000-2001

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    Pentagon, State Department silent on threatening reports outlining Chinese plans for nuclear attacks on U.S. cities



    Chinese map showing nuclear strikes on Los Angeles

    BY: Bill Gertz
    The Obama administration declined to comment on Sunday on provocative state-run Chinese media reports outlining Beijing’s nuclear war plans, including land-based and submarine-launched missile strikes on U.S. cities that would kill up to 12 million people.

    State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf and Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith would not respond when asked about the highly unusual Chinese reports published Oct. 28 in numerous major Communist Party-controlled television and newspaper outlets.

    The Chinese reports included maps showing nuclear strikes on Los Angeles and the Pacific Northwest, along with the resulting radiation plumes stretching thousands of miles across the western United States.

    Global Times, viewed as China’s most xenophobic anti-U.S. media outlet, stated in its report that “the 12 JL-2 [submarine-launched ballistic missile] nuclear warheads carried by one single Type 094 SSBN can kill and wound 5 million to 12 million Americans.” The newspaper is a subsidiary of the People’s Daily, the organ of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.

    Harf referred questions about the attack scenarios to the Pentagon, where Smith would not comment directly, despite the fact that a key mission of the Pentagon is to deter nuclear attacks like those outlined in the Chinese press.

    Smith said annual Pentagon reports to Congress documented what she called China’s “long-term modernization of strategic nuclear forces featuring the introduction of road-mobile, solid propellant ICBMs and continued development on ballistic missile submarine, the Type 094 and an accompanying new submarine launched ballistic missile, JL-2.”

    “We continue to monitor these development very closely,” she said.

    The Chinese nuclear saber rattling is expected to complicate the administration’s push for a new round of strategic arms cuts with Russia. President Barack Obama in June repeated his call for ultimately eliminating all nuclear weapons and called for a one-third cut in the projected New START arms treaty warhead level of 1,550 warheads.

    However, Russia has balked at further cuts and is developing a new medium-range nuclear missile partly as a result of China’s growing arsenal of nuclear missiles.

    China is rapidly expanding its nuclear forces with new missiles, submarines, and warheads. At least one of the warheads is based on warhead designs stolen from U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories in the 1990s, U.S. officials have said.

    The Chinese reports last week stated that the nuclear forces revelations were the first time Chinese media had discussed detailed plans to counter U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.

    Previously, details of China’s nuclear forces were among the most closely guarded secrets in the Chinese military.

    In addition to Global Times, the reports also appeared in other Party organs, including China Central TV, People’s Daily, PLA Daily, China Youth Daily, and Guangmin Daily newspapers.

    The reports also coincided with China’s first official disclosure of new ballistic missile submarine capabilities, described by Global Times as “secrets of our first-generation underwater nuclear force.”

    The reports were unique due to the level of threatening rhetoric and rare public discussion of plans for nuclear attacks, including plans to fire road-mobile DF-31A road-mobile long-range missiles over the North Pole to attack U.S. cities. The missile has a range of up to 7,500 miles.

    “If we launch our DF-31A ICBMs over the North Pole, we can easily destroy a whole list of metropolises on the East Coast and the New England region of the U.S., including Annapolis, Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Portland, Baltimore, and Norfolk, whose population account accounts for about one eighth of America’s total residents,” Global Times stated.

    For submarine-launched nuclear missiles, the Chinese plan to target key west coast cities.

    “Because the Midwest states of the U.S. are sparsely populated, in order to increase the lethality, [our] nuclear attacks should mainly target the key cities on the West Coast of the United States, such as Seattle, Los Angles, San Francisco, and San Diego,” Global Times said.

    One graphic showed eight warheads hitting Washington state and Oregon and the nuclear radiation spreading as far east as Chicago. Another map shows five nuclear warhead destruction radii in downtown Los Angeles.

    The Chinese nuclear war stories were first disclosed by the Washington Times on Thursday.

    Former State Department official and China hand John Tkacik said the threatening Chinese reports are “wholly orchestrated by the Central Propaganda Department for well-planned strategic purposes.”

    “While there’s no doubt Beijing’s media coverage of China’s nuclear missile submarines is aimed at psyching out Washington, the real targets of this new nuclear propaganda are Japan, India, and the South China Sea states, all of which place heavy reliance on their relations with the United States in balancing China,” Tkacik said.

    The failure to respond to the threats is undermining the confidence among U.S. allies and friends in Asia concerned with the American commitment to protecting Asia.

    “These stories should be a fire bell in the night for Washington to step up America’s cooperation with allies in anti-submarine warfare.”

    However, Beijing appears to be calculating that U.S. war weariness will lead to further slashed budgets for counter-nuclear programs, anti-submarine warfare, and missile defense, he said.

    “Even with deliberately provocative articles like this series of reports on China’s nuclear missile submarines and targeting American cities, the general inclination inside the beltway is to treat China as a friend. I just don’t understand it,” Tkacik said.

    Richard Fisher, a Chinese military affairs expert, also said the propaganda highlighting nuclear strikes on the United States appears part of Beijing’s calculated strategy to stoke nationalism and military worship in China.

    The Global Times report, in particular, “is most provocative when it speculates about the possible damage that a JL-2 missile strike would cause against the West Coast of the United States.”

    “Official and semi-official U.S. threat assessment publications usually are not so indelicate as to speculate on the potential for millions of Chinese or Russian deaths in a nuclear war,” Fisher said. “We usually leave that up to the imagination of their governments.”

    One of the graphics published showed patrol areas southeast of Taiwan where new Type 094 ballistic missile submarines will conduct patrols.

    Fisher said China’s large-scale Maneuver 5 war games last week included submarine, surface ship, and bomber exercises.

    “Could the PLA Navy be starting to practice [missile submarine] operations to support the deployment of their nuclear missiles submarines [set to begin next year]?” Fisher said.

    Fisher also said the nuclear war reports and estimates of killing Americans may be linked to Chinese pique at the United States over the late-night ABC comedy show “Jimmy Kimmel Live.” A recent unscripted segment on the show featured children answering questions and one boy suggested that the U.S. response to China should be to “kill all the Chinese.” ABC later apologized for the segment.

    Also last week, China’s military released a feature-length film that accused the U.S. government of subverting China’s communist system and imposing American values.

    The military film said the Pentagon was using military-to-military exchanges for those ends and to corrupt Chinese military officers who take part in the exchanges.

    The film, titled “Silent Contest” also criticized western non-governmental groups, exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama and Uighur human rights activist Rebyia Kadeer.

    Groups singled out as subversive included the Carter Center, the Asia Foundation, the International Republican Institute and the Ford Foundation who are behind an “America’s cultural invasion” of China.

    The New York Times first reported on the film Oct. 31.

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    Don't know why this crap isn't making the news. Must be being pushed out by Beibermania
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    The Complete Chinese War Preparedness And Military Update

    January 20, 2014

    With China increasingly in the news involving some new diplomatic or geopolitical escalation, a new territorial claim, the launch of a brand new aircraft carrier, or just general chatter of military tensions surrounding the aspirational reserve currency superpower, it is time for yet another update of the complete "military and security developments involving the people’s republic of China", courtesy of the annual report to Congress discussing precisely this issue.

    The only Org Chart that matters:




    China Sovereignty Claims:




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    Chinese ground force distribution map:




    Chinese Navy:

    [img]http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Naval%20Forces.jpg



    Chinese Airforce:




    Chinese airforce distribution map:




    China Taiwan Strait and SRBM Coverage:




    China Conventional Strike Capabilities:




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    China Precision Strike capabilities:




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    The full report link - pdf.

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    From the comments section of that article above that Ryan posted:

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    Psst...Los Angeles residents you had best hope we don't go to war with China.

    Because you are F**KED!



    CHINESE MISSILE FIRED FROM SUBMARINE OVER CALIFORNIA !! WARNING WHY ?? !!


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    Oh, just a contrail I'm sure.

    Can't see the video, but remember the flap a couple years back about how what we were pretty sure was a missile was "just a contrail" the media outlets said.
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