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    China stealth fighter "appears" to have made second flight

    BEIJING | Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:09am EDT



    BEIJING (Reuters) - China appears to have staged a second test-flight of a new stealth fighter jet, a state-owned newspaper said on Tuesday, which if true could be another step toward narrowing the military gap with the United States.

    Photographs of the J-20 stealth fighter jet prototype were circulating on online military forums, the Global Times said, but it did not confirm the flight nor the authenticity of the photographs.

    The photos could not be verified by Reuters.

    The popular tabloid, owned by the Communist Party mouthpiece, the People's Daily, showed a photograph of a grey fighter plane and a caption that said "an alleged J-20 prototype prepares to take off" from an airfield in Chengdu in southwestern Sichuan province on Sunday.

    The aircraft made several passes and waggled its wings to salute the crowd near the airfield," the Global Times quoted an anonymous person as saying.

    China's Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Reports of China's first test-flight of the J-20 in early January had been widely circulated on Chinese Internet blogs and online news sites including the Global Times before the government confirmed the flight during a visit by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    The claims of a successful second test flight for the advanced fighter follow China's warning in late March that it faced an increasingly volatile Asian region where the United States has expanded its strategic footprint.

    Some analysts have said that the first few photos of the J-20 suggest that China may be making faster-than-expected progress in developing a rival to Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor, the world's only operational stealth fighter designed to evade detection by radar.

    The latest pictures may heighten concern about China's military build-up, including possible deployment in 2011 of its first aircraft carrier and a new anti-ship ballistic missile that is seen as a threat to U.S. aircraft carriers.

    Chinese military and political sources say Beijing could launch its first aircraft carrier in 2011, a year earlier than U.S. military analysts had expected.

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    here's my mind set on this topic. would i expect a country with an up-and-coming economy like china to just sit still and do nothing with their military? as far as stealth is concerned, the "what" is no secret:

    1. radar cross section (echo)
    2. heat signature
    3. radar jamming capability

    the bigger question to making your own stealth plane is HOW is this done. the Chinese are not stupid people. They will eventually figure it out. So the big question/concern shouldn't be "beware: China has a stealth fighter/bomber" but better yet "why in the f*ck don't we have something better". my best guess is that "we" do, but it's not being mass produced and sold to the US military. I guess that goes to show you how patriotic these defense contractors are.

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    I'd bet we have some good spy stuff up there. I suspect the satellites are better than any U2 or SR-71 craft (which are manned and can fall down). Satellites can do a lot more these days than we think they can.

    So - we don't have the spy planes any more.

    But do we have better aircraft? I'm not sure, maybe, but I have my doubts for a lot of reasons (the current administration is the main one).
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    China Unveils New Fighter Jet Designed To Kick The US's Ass

    Robert Johnson | Jun. 9, 2011, 6:51 AM | 3,276 | 26



    Online forums were rife with speculation about a fifth-generation Chinese jet as photographs of an unknown plane appeared on internet forums yesterday.

    According to the Russian website RiaNovsti, the Chinese photo depicts a combat plane with parts and design similar to other fifth-generation aircraft. The overall construction appears to be similar to the Chinese J-20 prototype.

    A fifth-generation military aircraft is considered the most advanced type of plane in the world. This generation of fighters has stealth ability even when armed, Low Probability of Radio Intercept (LPIR), highly advanced airframes, and a networked communications systems that allow it to coommunicate with other elements on the battlefield.

    The only operational fifth-generation plane in the world is the U.S. F-22 Raptor, but China, and Russia both have aircraft in development.
    The photo release is a common way for the Chinese to unofficially announce new military hardware before making the declaration public.

    The news comes on the heels of China's acknowledging their new Ukrainian constructed aircraft carrier, the Varyag. Until now China denied the carriers military purpose and maintained it was being refitted as a new Casino to float in Chinese harbors.

    Senior analyst Rick Fisher with the International Assessment and Strategy Center in Virginia believes these developments are part of China's long term move to dilute U.S. military power in the region.

    "The aircraft carrier is part of China's fulfillment of its 2004 historic mission that the People's Liberation Army will increasingly defend the Communist Party's interests outside of China," he says.

    "By the 2020s China wants a military that will be globally deployable and will be able to challenge American interests where they need to be challenged."

    Experts maintain China is 20 years behind America in its military development, but with this new focus on weapons design that gap will be covered quickly.

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    Chinese Defense Minister Claims PLA is 20 Years Behind U.S. Military Tech
    Shane McGlaun (Blog)


    - June 8, 2011 1:04 PM


    Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter

    Apparently Liang forgets the new stealth fighter China is showing off

    The tensions in Asia over the growing might of the Chinese military are easy to see and understand. China is using its booming economy to fund the development of new weapons programs. China wants the world to believe that it is merely being sure it can defend the sovereignty of its nation while others fear that China will use the military might to take resources and possibly attack other nations in the area.

    With tension growing, Chinese Defense Minister General Liang Guanglie said at the 10th Shangri-La Dialog in Singapore that the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) is 20-years behind the U.S. Military. Guanglie said, "I would call the gap big. [The PLA] main battle equipment of our services ... is mainly second-generation weapons." He continued saying, "For example, the army is still being motorized, not mechanized."

    Liang acknowledged that the modernization of the Chinese military has drawn attention and concern from around the world. Liang says that China has a right to protect is "core interests" such as protecting its sovereignty. Liang also explained at the conference that relations between the Chinese and U.S. military were improving. This year's Shangri-La dialog was in face the strongest turn out for the Chinese after years of ignoring the conference.

    In addition to Liang there were a number of other Chinese officials at the conference including Rear Adm. Guan Youfei, deputy chief, Foreign Affairs Office, Ministry of National Defense; Senior Col. Ou Yangwei, director, Center for Defense Mobilization Studies, National Defense University; Major Gen. Song Dan, deputy director general, General Office, Central Military Commission; Lt. Gen. Wei Fenghe, deputy chief of general staff, PLA; and Xiao Jianguo, director, Department of Ocean Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    As much as Liang wants the world to believe China has a massive gap between its military and the U.S. military (and other armed forces of the world), the country is investing heavily in next-generation weapons. A the most high profile new weapons program is the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter. The J-20 completed its second flight in April and has been captured on video as it has been tested. Some speculate that China obtained the stealth technology that is used in the J-20 from a U.S. F-117 stealth fighter that was downed in 1999 in Serbia. China is known to have had agents crisscross the area where the fighter crashed buying up the wreckage from local farmers.

    The Chinese military is also believed by many around the world to be carrying out very sophisticated and successful hacks against military and corporate networks. Many digital attacks have been traced back to parts of China where the government is known to have a strong military presence. The Gmail hack that was revealed earlier this month is believed to have been perpetrated by China, though Chinese officials have denied any involvement. China is also allegedly the source of the hacking attacks that compromised networks at Lockheed Martin using stolen RSA SecurID dongles. Those hacks are believed to have targeted Lockheed Martin military projects.

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    Reports: Hackers Use Stolen RSA Information to Hack Lockheed Martin

    Jason Mick (Blog) - May 30, 2011 10:14 AM


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    Stolen information from RSA Security may have been used to hack into Lockheed Martin's secure servers, say sources. (Source: RSA Security)



    Lockheed claims information on its fighter projects and government-contracted IT storage was NOT stolen. The company says it quickly countered the "sophisticated" attack.





    Company claims fighter project schematics and hosted government information were not leaked

    Over a week has passed and Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), the U.S. government's top information technology services provider, was hacked.

    The attack has been characterized as a "fairly subtle", yet "significant and tenacious" attack on servers at its massive Gaithersburg, Maryland data center, located not far from the company headquarters in Bethesda.

    As details emerge the attack is appearing more and more like it was lifted out of a spy movie or Tom Clancy novel. The hackers appeared to have gained entry using information stolen in a separate, even more audacious attack of one of the world's highest profile security firms.

    I. RSA Sec. Breach -- Prelude to the Lockheed Martin Attack?

    Back in March hackers gained access to RSA Security's servers. RSA Sec. takes its name from the last initials of founders Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adleman, three top cryptographers. The trio's popular public-key cryptography algorithm shares the same name -- RSA.

    At the time of the RSA Sec. intrusion, the company commented that despite the fact that it believed information was stolen, the company did not believe customer information or the security of the company's software products were not comprised. Yet, they did advise clients to follow online advice to safeguard themselves against possible fallout from the data loss.

    The attack on RSA was described as "extremely sophisticated".

    Sources close to Lockheed point to compromised RSA SecurID tokens -- USB keychain dongles that generate strings of numbers for cryptography purposes -- as playing a pivotal role in the Lockheed Martin hack.

    II. Damage Control

    Hackers are believed to have entered Lockheed Martin's servers by gaining illegitimate access to the company's virtual private network (VPN). The VPN allowed employees to connect over virtually any public network to the company's primary servers, using information streams secured by cryptography.

    With the RSA tokens hacked, though, those supposedly secure VPN connections were compromised.

    Lockheed says that it detected the attack "almost immediately" and warded it off quickly. The company has since brought the VPN back online, but not before "upgrades" to the RSA tokens and adding new layers of security to the remote login procedure.

    III. What Was Lost?

    At this point the question on everyone's mind likely is "What was lost?"

    Lockheed has cause for concern -- the company is not only safeguarding a wealth of U.S. government military information from external sources, it's also protecting its own valuable projects -- the F-16, F-22 and F-35 fighter aircraft; the Aegis naval combat system; and the THAAD missile defense.

    A U.S. Defense Department spokeswoman, Air Force Lieutenant Colonel April Cunningham told Reuters Saturday night that the risk from the breach was "minimal and we [the USAF] don't expect any adverse effect."

    Lockheed Martin claims that no compromise of customer, program or employees' personal data occurred. The company has made similar claims about past breaches.

    Now that the Pentagon is involved, if anything was stolen, it should be identified shortly.

    IV. Who Attacked Lockheed Martin?

    After the pressing issue of what was lost, perhaps the second most compelling question is who was behind the breach. Military officials and security staff at Lockheed are looking for clues in local time stamped information stored on the server and IP logs, trying to find out who accessed the compromised systems from where and when.

    The problem is not easy as hackers commonly reroute their malicious traffic through multiple proxies, disguising their location. That said, given the nature of attack -- take down one of the world's top security firms and then use that information to compromise a top defense contractor -- involvement by a foreign government is suspected.

    Lockheed posted a job listing last week requesting the services of a "lead computer forensic examiner". Requirements included someone who could "attack signatures, tactics, techniques and procedures associated with advanced threats" and "reverse engineer attacker encoding protocols." The cyber forensics expert's first task will likely be to try to pinpoint the identity of the attacker.

    The most likely suspect is obviously China, with whom the U.S. government has been waging a "cyberwar" with for a decade now. China hires freelance hackers and maintains a large military force of official hackers as well. It uses this force to infiltrate international utilities, businesses, government servers, and defense contractors, looking for valuable information.

    China has recently been testing a stealth jet, the J-20, which contains features curiously similar to those found on past Lockheed Martin designs. China insists, though, that it did not use stolen information to build its new weapon.

    V. One Million Threats

    Lockheed Martin's IT staff say they encounter 1 million "incidents" a day. They have to filter through these, distinguishing "white noise" from serious threats.

    The Maryland data center from which information was taken is a state of the art facility, built in 2008. It covers 25,000 square-feet and cost $17M USD to build. But even with relatively modern systems and protections, defenses were still not strong enough to hold off the sophisticated and savvy attacker.

    The company has a separate back-up data center in Denver, Colorado, which shares some of the company's contract workload. That center is not believed to have been breached in the intrusion.

    Going ahead, Lockheed Martin will invariably face pressure from the U.S. Military and Congress to do a better job in making its systems breach-proof. But given the company's budget versus China's virtually blank check given to cyber security efforts, one has to wonder how much the company will be able to do with so little.

    Sondra Barbour, the company's chief information officer, reminded employees in an email, "The fact is, in this new reality, we are a frequent target of adversaries around the world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
    Company claims fighter project schematics and hosted government information were not leaked
    The hell it hasn't been! They were hacked a couple years ago in addition to this most recent incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Ruck View Post
    The hell it hasn't been! They were hacked a couple years ago in addition to this most recent incident.

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    Excellent points!

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    Pics: China's J-20 finishes its 10th test flight

    China's J-20 fighter jet tested twice within three days in succession from June 1st to 3rd, which indicates the labortary strentgh is increasing. And it finished its 10th test since the mysterious fighter jet was exposed early this year.


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    More close ups of Chengdu J-20's recent test flights leak on the Chinese net



    China's fifth-generation stealth fighter, the Chengdu J-20 (歼20), completed its 10th test flight June 1 and 3 at a Chengdu military base.





    Developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group, the J-20 had its maiden flight in January, making China the third nation in the world to "develop and test-fly a full-size stealth combat aircraft demonstrator" after the United States and Russia.














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    高清:我军歼20战机第10次试飞完成

    http://www.jmnews.com.cn 2011-6-4 10:29 环球网

    环球网国际军情中心2011年6月4日报道,6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞 强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。据俄罗斯《军工信使》周刊6月1日报道,十年前中俄军事 技术合作是俄武器出口收入的主要来源,正是这种 伙伴关系帮助中国军队在最近20年来完成了可与上世纪50年代相提并论的飞跃,其中一些现实成果备受关注, 特别是中国自主研发的歼-10、FC-1和歼 -20现代化战机。本组图片摄影:超大军事/风不悲
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
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    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。
    6月1日和6月3日,歼-20战斗机在成都某机场连续三天进行了两次试飞,这表明歼-20战斗机的试飞强度在逐渐增大。此前,歼20已经进行了9次试飞。

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    Clash of Stealth Fighters


    In late 2010, Chengdu J-20 underwent speed taxiing test at Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute’s airfield and first known Chinese stealth aircraft has just emerged from a secret development program. The aircraft appears to be somewhat larger and heavier than most observers expected. The J-20 made its first flight on 11 January 2011. It is still in the phase of research & development, stated Maj Gen Zhu Heping of the PLA AF while speaking to reporters on 03 March 2011 in Beijing. As to the expected timeframe by which the aircraft would be finally ready for induction into China’s airpower, Maj Gen Zhu said “there’s still some time required” and “is difficult to say”. Deputy Commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, General He Weirong said in November 2009 that he expected the J-20 to be operational in 2017–2019.

    People’s Liberation Army Air Force expects the J-20 to be introduced by 2017-2019. By then PLA AF would not be the second country after United States to have a stealth fighter in its air force. By the same time frame India also expects to induct Sukhoi/HAL Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and Russia will introduce Sukhoi PAK FA most probably by 2015. Japan’s Mitsubishi ATD-X which first flight is scheduled for 2014 is also likely to be in production phase by 2017. Korean Aerospace Industries in collaboration with Indonesian Aerospace is also developing KF-X which is envisaged for service entry post-2020. India is also developing the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), designed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and to be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The roadmap for AMCA was revealed at Aero India 2011. ADA program director PS Subramanyam said “the MCA will be in flight trials by the end of the decade and it will be inducted by the middle of the next decade”

    At present the United States Air Force (USAF) is the only air force in the world to have operational stealth fighter, the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. But having a stealth fighter in a country’s air force is not going to be limited to USAF only in this decade. United States will be joined by Russia (Aircraft: Sukhoi PAK FA; Planned induction: 2015), India (Aircraft: Sukhoi/HAL FGFA; Planned induction: 2017), Peoples Republic of China (Aircraft: Chengdu J-20; Planned induction: 2017-2019). Japan, South Korea and Indonesia are also likely to have operational stealth fighters by 2020. However Korean Aerospace Industries KF-X would not be as stealthy as PAK FA, FGFA, J-20 or F-35. The initial operational requirements for the KF-X program as stated by the ADD (Agency for Defence Development) were to develop a single-seat, twin-engine jet with stealth capabilities beyond either the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon, but still less than the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. In 2007 Japan took the decision to push ahead with the multi billion-yen project to develop its first indigenous stealth fighter the Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin. At the time of this decision, production was forecast to start roughly 10 years later, around 2017 and as of 2007 the ATD-X is expected to conduct its maiden flight in 2014. At present India is the only known country in the world to have two stealth fighter programs running in parallel simultaneously, the FGFA and AMCA.

    In a race to produce stealth fighters China has stunned most observers at the pace at which the J-20 was produce. However China might have problems meeting its production requirements, as it has several other jet fighter projects in production. Russian military commentator Ilya Kramnik conjectures that China is still 10 to 15 years behind the United States and Russia in fighter technology and may not be able to manufacture all the advanced composite materials, avionics and sensor packages needed for such aircraft, and could instead turn to foreign suppliers. While Chief of the Air Staff of the Indian Air Force Pradeep Vasant Naik has suggested that the J-20 is entirely reverse engineered with no Chinese R&D involved, and questioned if the practice was ethical. Retired USAF General Thomas G. McInerney has suggested that the J-20 design may have been based on cyber-espionage of the Lockheed Martin FB-22 project. No matter how out of much speculation J-20 has made its flight.



    Let us analyze all the stealth fighters which are estimated to be operational and introduced by 2017-2020.

    First was the Lockheed Martin’s F-35, product of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program. The development of the JSF was jointly funded by the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, The Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway and Denmark. The United States intends to buy a total of 2,443 aircraft for an estimated US$323 billion, making it the most expensive defense program ever. The JSF program was designed to replace the United States current fleet of F-16, A-10, F/A-18 (excluding newer E/F “Super Hornet” variants) and AV-8B tactical fighter aircraft and to keep development, production, and operating costs down, a common design was planned in three variants that share 80 percent of the same parts. F-35A: conventional take off and landing (CTOL) variant; F-35B: short-take off and vertical-landing (STOVL) variant; F-35C: carrier-based CATOBAR (CV) variant. The F-35 is smaller, single-engined and slightly more conventional then the twin-engine Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. The F-35 has a maximum speed of over Mach 1.6 with a maximum takeoff weight of 60,000 lb (27,000 kg). The F-35′s main engine is the Pratt & Whitney F135. The General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 is being developed as an alternative engine. The STOVL versions of both power plants use the Rolls-Royce LiftSystem, patented by Lockheed Martin and built by Rolls-Royce. The F-35 Lighting II carries weapons internally in internal weapon bays. The main missiles which it carries are the AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) and AIM-132 ASRAAM (Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile). It can also carry the Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) – up to 2,000 lb (910 kg), the Joint Stand off Weapon (JSOW), Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) – a maximum of four in each bay (three per bay in F-35B. One of the initial operational requirements of the JSF program was stealth. For this reason the F-35 was designed with a shape for low-observable characteristics with low radar cross section primarily due to stealthy materials used in construction, including fibre-mat. In spite of being smaller than the F-22, the F-35 has a larger radar cross section. It is said to be roughly equal to a metal golf ball rather than the F-22′s metal marble. The F-22 was designed to be difficult to detect by all types of radars and from all directions. The F-35 on the other hand manifests its lowest radar signature from the frontal aspect because of compromises in design.



    Second comes the Sukhoi PAK FA. The aircraft’s maiden flight took place on 29 January 2010. It was piloted by Sergey Bogdanand and the flight lasted for 47 minutes. On 3 March 2011 a second prototype was reported to have made a successful 44 minutes test flight. On 14 March 2011, the aircraft achieved supersonic flight at a test range near Komsomolsk-on-Amur in Siberia. These first two aircraft lacks radar and weapon control systems, while the third and fourth aircraft, to be added in 2011, will be fully functional test aircraft. The PAK FA is stealth, have the ability to supercruise and will be equipped with the next generation of air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles and incorporate a fix-mounted AESA radar. Sukhoi also classified that the new radar will reduce pilot load and the aircraft will have a new data link to share information between aircraft. The PAK FA SH121 radar complex includes three X-Band AESA radars located on the front and sides of the aircraft. These will be accompanied by L-Band radars on the wing leading edges. The PAK FA will feature an IRST optical/IR search and tracking system, based on the OLS-35M which is currently in service with the Su-35S. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will reportedly provide the navigation system and the mission computer. As stated by NPO Saturn PAK FA used a completely new engine in its first flight. The engine generates a larger thrust and has a complex automation system, to facilitate flight modes such as maneuverability. Exact specifications of the new engine are still secret. It is expected that each engine will be able to independently vector its thrust upwards, downward or side to side. The PAK FA is estimated to have a maximum weapons load of 7,500 kg. It has two internal weapon bays. The PAK FA, when fully developed, is intended to be the successor to the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian inventory and serve as the basis of the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA being developed with India.

    After a secret development program the Chengdu J-20 underwent high speed taxiing tests in late 2010 and made its first flight on 11 January 2011. It is larger than most observers expected pointing to long range and heavy weapon loads. The J-20 is a single-seat, twin-engine aircraft, bigger and heavier than the Sukhoi PAK FA and the F-22. It is expected to have a takeoff weight of 75,000 to 80,000 pounds with internal stores only. Chinese sources have claimed that production aircraft will be powered by two 13,200 kilograms (29,000 lb)/WS-10 class high thrust turbofan engines fitted with Thrust Vector Controlled (TVC) nozzles, both made in China. However it is said that the WS-10 engine has suffered catastrophic failures in flight. The J-20 has a pair of all-moving tailfins that are swept back in the F-35 style instead of being trapezoid like the F-22 and PAK-FA tails and ventral stabilizing fins. The J-20 may have lower supercruise speed and less agility than a Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor or PAK FA, but might have larger weapons bays and carry more fuel. It has an F-22 style nose section but with F-35 style dropped nose, forward swept intake cowls with diverterless supersonic inlet (DSI) bumps and a one-piece canopy. The J-20 may become the first operational combat aircraft that carries sufficient fuel to supercruise throughout its missions. However it’s still in much speculation.



    The FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) is been developed by Russia and India. It is a derivative of PAK FA for the Indian Air Force. The Russian version of the aircraft, PAK FA will be a single-seater while the Indian version, FGFA will be a twin seater. Indian Air Force will get 200 twin-seated and also 50 single seated FGFAs. India will spend over $30 billion to induct 250 FGFAs. Hindustan Aeronautic Limited (HAL) will be contributing largely to composites, cockpits and avionics. HAL is working to enter into a joint development mechanism with Russia for the evolution of the FGFA engines. The difference between PAK FA and the FGFA will be similar to that between Su-30M and Su-30MKI. Su-30M is a standard Russian version of a plane, whereas the Su-30MKI was jointly-developed with India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for the Indian Air Force. The FGFA will be equipped with avionics complex sourced from India, Israel, Russia and France. FGFA will use weapons of Indian origin such as Astra, a Beyond Visual Range missile being developed by India, although in keeping with the Russian BVR doctrine of using a vast variety of different missiles for versatility and unpredictability to countermeasures and it is also expected to have compatibility with many different missile types. The FGFA will be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, will be fitted with the next generation of air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and incorporate an AESA radar. It is said to use 2 Saturn 117S engines (about 14.5 ton thrust each) on its first flight. Later versions of the PAK FA will use a completely new engine (17.5 ton thrust each), developed by NPO Saturn or FGUP MMPP Salyut.


    Japanese Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) is also developing stealth fighter with Mitsubishi. Known as the Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin is a state of the art prototype fifth-generation jet fighter that uses advanced stealth technology. ATD-X is an acronym meaning “Advanced Technology Demonstrator – X” and the aircraft’s Japanese name is “Shinshin”. The aircraft’s first flight is scheduled for 2014 and production is most likely to begin in 2017. A mock-up of the ATD-X was constructed and used to study the radar cross section in France in 2005. A radio-controlled 1/5 scale model made its first flight in 2006 to gain data on performance at high angles of attack and to test new sensory equipment and self-repairing flight control systems. Following these preliminary steps, the decision was taken in 2007 to push ahead with the multi billion-yen project. The ATD-X will be used as a technology demonstrator and research prototype to determine whether domestic advanced technologies for a fifth generation fighter aircraft are viable, and is a 1/3 size model of a possible full-production aircraft. Among the features the ATD-X is to have is a fly-by-optics flight control system, which by substituting optical fibers for wires, allows data to be transferred faster and with immunity to electromagnetic disturbance. Its radar will be an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar called the ‘Multifunction RF Sensor’, which is intended to have broad spectrum agility, capabilities for electronic countermeasures (ECM), electronic support measures (ESM), communications functions, and possibly even microwave weapon functions. It is also speculated that the Japanese Ministry of Defence has speed up its ATD-X project in concern with China’s J-20 which has made its first flight on January 2011.

    India is also developing the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), which would be Indians first indigenous stealth fighter. It is designed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and will be manufactured by HAL. The roadmap for AMCA was revealed at Aero India 2011 by program director PS Subramanyam. As said by Subramanyam the AMCA will fit into the Indian air force’s future structure. It will be a 20 ton aircraft with a 1,000km range, fitting between the 10 ton, 500km range of the HAL Tejas and the 30 ton, 1,500km range of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA). The AMCA does not clash with the FGFA, and will be comparable to the Lockheed Martin F-35, with the FGFA comparable to the F-22 Raptor. The AMCA will be a single-seat fighter. A two-seat version will be developed but primarily as a trainer. AMCA would be a medium-weight combat aircraft with low observable features and a payload capability of more than five tones. It will have swing role capability and “provide greater flexibility in the application of aerospace power”. ADA also said the AMCA will have a number of features to increase its stealth. At Aero India 2011 it was revealed that the AMCA will be in flight trials by the end of the decade and it will be inducted by the middle of the next decade. According to the specification provided by the Indian Air Force it would be a 20 ton aircraft powered by two GTX Kaveri engines. The AMCA will be designed with a very small radar cross-section and will also feature serpentine shaped air-intakes, internal weapons and the use of composites and other materials to increase its stealth capabilities. The aircraft will have the capability of supercruise by using twine GTX Kaveri engine with thrust vectoring nozzle. The aircraft will be equipped with missiles like DRDO Astra and other advanced missiles and precision weapons. The aircraft’s avionics suite will include AESA radar IRST and appropriate Electronic warfare systems and all aspect missiles warning suite. There might be also possibility of a naval version. It will complement the HAL Tejas, the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircrafts (either Eurofighter Typhoon or Dassault Rafale).

    Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) is also said to be jointly developing stealth fighter with Indonesian Aerospace. The primary user will be Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) and Indonesian Air Force. The project was first announced by South Korean President Kim Dae-Jung at the graduation ceremony of the Air Force Academy in March 2001. The aircraft is designated as KAI KF-X. However it will be not as stealthy as other stealth fighter which are been developed by Russia, China and India. The initial operational requirements for the KF-X program as stated by the ADD (Agency for Defence Development) were to develop a single-seat, twin-engine jet with stealth capabilities. But the stealth would be beyond either the Dassault Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon, but still less than the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. Neighboring China’s unveiling of its J-20 stealth fighter has added force to the ROKAF’s desires of acquiring a stealth fighter. Operational requirements specify 50,000 pounds of thrust provided by one or preferably two engines, high-speed interception and supercruise capabilities, basic stealth technology and multirole capabilities. South Korea will fund 60% of the aircraft’s development, and expects foreign partners to provide the remaining 40% of the development funding. South Korea possesses 63% of the necessary technology to produce the KF-X, and is therefore seeking cooperation from Indonesian Aerospace and Lockheed Martin to develop the KF-X.

    All the stealth fighter which will be operational and introduced in this decade will surely shift the balance of air power. China’s unveiling of its J-20 stealth fighter is surely a concern for neighboring countries like India and South Korea. But India is well prepared to induct the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA to IAF at the same time when China will be introducing J-20 to PLA AF. It is more likely to see a stealth vs. stealth air war fare in future conflict in Asia then in America or Europe.

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    Chinese Stealth Fighter Could Rival U.S.'s Best: Report
    May 9, 2011

    The next generation stealth fighter under development by the Chinese military could rival America's best fighters in speed, stealth and lethality, according to a new private report.

    Details on the Chinese J-20 fighter are scant as the project has been developed under extreme secrecy, but an analysis conducted by the conservative Washington D.C.-based defense policy think tank The Jamestown Foundation based on the little publicly available information concluded that the fighter "will be a high performance stealth aircraft, arguably capable of competing in most cardinal performance parameters... with the United States F-22A Raptor, and superior in most if not all cardinal performance parameters against the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."

    The F-22 Raptor, which cost the U.S. government $77 billion for 187 planes from defense contracting giant Lockheed Martin, has never seen combat in any of America's three simultaneous major combat operations, but is considered by the Air Force and Lockheed Martin to be a stealth fighter without match. The slightly cheaper F-35, an all purpose stealth fighter being developed by Lockheed Martin for the Air Force, Navy and Marines, is not meant to focus on air-to-air combat like the F-22, but on air-to-ground attacks and is expected to work in tandem with the F-22.

    The Jamestown Foundation report, written by defense analyst and F-22 proponent Carlo Kopp, was first published last week just days after America's entire fleet of F-22s was grounded due to oxygen system concerns and a new video surfaced online, purportedly showing a rare test flight by a prototype J-20. The report noted the Chinese planes would not have the range to make unsupported strikes against the continental U.S., but U.S. military bases and allies in the region are well within the potential target zone -- including air bases that have been home to the F-22 fighters. However, the Air Force said currently there are no F-22s deployed overseas. The report also says that due to its larger size, the J-20 could potentially carry more or bigger payloads than the F-22.

    Though the Defense Department declined to comment on the Jamestown Foundation report, in response to the J-20 video, a Pentagon spokesperson told ABC News last week the U.S. has been "carefully monitoring China's comprehensive and sustained military modernization and its implications for the region."

    But as early as January, shortly after a test flight of what appeared to be the J-20, Department of Defense Press Secretary Geoff Morrell told reporters, "We don't know, frankly, much about the capabilities of that plane" and urged observers to "slow down a little bit on our characterizations of the J-20 at this point."

    China is still in the development stage for its fighter, whereas once the oxygen system issues are sorted out, the U.S. Air Force will return to having more than 160 operational F-22s. The last of the 187 planes are still being delivered by Lockheed Martin.

    Defense Department: China's Stealth Fighter 'Not Surprising'

    As more information has surfaced about the secretive J-20, the Defense Department spokesperson would only say the Pentagon has not been taken by surprise.

    "The fact that China has developed a prototype for this program is not surprising and is consistent with the direction we have seen China's military taking over a number of years," the spokesperson said.

    According to Lockheed Martin, which is still receiving hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars to upgrade current F-22s, the J-20 "shows that other nations are seeking to develop the capability to challenge the F-22, and by extension, our capacity to attain air superiority in future conflict.

    "Such emerging threats illustrate the need to continue enhancing the F-22's capabilities so that it stays ahead of evolving threats," a Lockheed Martin spokesperson said.

    Both the Air Force and Lockheed Martin said the reason the $143 million-a-pop F-22s have yet to fire on any enemies -- despite U.S. involvement in air operations in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan -- is because they're designed specifically to dominate the air against rival sophisticated air weapons like the J-20, not small, poorly armed third-world militaries and insurgent groups.

    The planes' natural enemy, therefore, is one that the program's biggest critic, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, said in 2009 did not exist.

    "The F-22 is clearly a capability we do need -- a niche, silver-bullet solution for one or two potential scenarios -- specifically the defeat of a highly advanced enemy fighter fleet," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in 2009 while advocating that Congress ditch further funding for the Raptor from the budget. "[But] the F-22, to be blunt, does not make much sense anyplace else in the spectrum of conflict."

    Before the decision was made to cut the F-22 program at 187 planes -- rather than the more than 600 that were originally part of the deal -- dozens of supporters in Congress and state governments sent letters to President Obama arguing that the full force of the F-22s would be needed to counter the next generations planes being developed by China and Russia. Gates dismissed the idea, saying the F-22s and newer F-35s would greatly outnumber any adversaries' forces for the next 15 years at least.

    READ: The Jamestown Foundation's "An Initial Assessment of China's J-20 Stealth Fighter"

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    The Chengdu J-20: Peace in Our Time?


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    Near head on view of J-20 prototype showing the trapezoidal edge aligned inlet geometry , wing/fuselage join, and flat lower fuselage (Chinese Internet).

    One of the strategic arts of maintaining National Security is to accurately forecast the future and assess the potential for credible threats to emerge. When he was Director of the CIA, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates claimed he had this nailed:

    Gates also noted a lesson from his years as deputy national security adviser, deputy director of the C.I.A and director of central intelligence during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. “I learned to ask the question, What’s Chapter 2?” he said. “If we do this, what will they do? Then what?Then what? Try to think two, three, four moves out.”

    Washington Times, ‘The Professional’, 10 February 2008

    In light of the Hon Robert Gate’s reliance on the term “Next War-itis” to focus the Pentagon’s political capital on the war-on-terror, this posture shows some dangerous hubris – the underlying assumption is that the USA “calls the shots”, while the rest of the world responds. What if the truth is the converse?

    Deftly assisted by Western myopia on near term profitability, China now has an economy that will soon surpass that of the USA in size and capacity to afford ‘discretionary’ investments in overseas aid to garner support, and military capabilities to protect China’s national interests on a global scale. Much is written on the rise of the Chinese Dragon and the demise of the US Eagle. While many claim the US is still in the lead, the trend lines are clearly pointing to an intersection in the very near future where economic and military capability superiorities will reverse.

    The Chengdu J-20 prototype is a case-in-point. China has invested substantial amounts of Yuan in this project, which is at the pinnacle of the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army in general, and their air power capabilities in particular.

    The aircraft was not made on the whim of a PLAAF General, nor because Chengdu decided that it could make a nice fat ponzi-profit from the sales. This is an aircraft designed with strategic intent in mind. A large, long range, agile aircraft with a substantial internal weapons capacity, it has the potential to project power, not only from China’s shore, but deployed globally. To be successful in locations where powerful sensors are scarce and its main opponent is likely to be counter-air aircraft such as the F-22A, it must have ‘Low Observability’, especially in the forward sector, when it sweeps into an attack.

    So, have the Chinese succeeded in meeting these design criteria? The analysis by Dr Michael Pelosi and Dr Carlo Kopp, ‘A Preliminary Assessment of the Specular Radar Cross Section Performance in the Chengdu J-20 Prototype’, examines the observability of the aircraft across a broad range of frequencies, and from all aspects.

    By applying the Laws of Physics to this question, they can state some hard facts, rather than opinion, regarding the ‘Observability’ of the aircraft.

    Before discussing the facts, here is a cross-section of the opinion that emerged after the aircraft first flew, publicly, on 11 January 2011:
    Robert Gates: (Defense News, 19th January, 2011, ‘Gates Clarifies China’s Stealth Capabilities’)

    Gates said Saturday. “What I said was that in 2020 or 2025 that there would still be a vast disparity in the number of deployed fifth-generation aircraft that the United States had compared to anybody else in the world. And I continue to stand by that statement.”

    We’ve been watching these developments all along,” Gates told reporters aboard his plane, which arrived in Beijing on Sunday. “I’ve been concerned about the development of the anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles ever since I took this job. We knew they were working on a stealth aircraft.

    I think that what we’ve seen is that they may be somewhat further ahead in the development of that aircraft than our intelligence had earlier predicted.”

    Geoff Morrell: (China Military News, 27th January, 2011, cited from bloomberg.com and written by Tony Capaccio)

    The U.S. Defense Department is reserving judgment on the capabilities of China's new J-20 fighter jet, spokesman Geoff Morrell said today.

    Public reports are only speculation when they assert that the Chinese fighter has cutting-edge "fifth-generation" stealth technologies -- such as advanced sensors, avionics and communications gear -- like those used in Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-22 and F-35 jets, he said.

    Dr Loren Thompson: (Lexington Institute – Early Warning Blog,Wednesday, 2nd March, 2011)

    Although the J-20 resembles the outline of the stealthy F-22 Raptor when viewed head-on in its forward aspect, the plane clearly lacks many of the features that make Raptor the most capable air-to-air combat system in history.

    Early reports that the J-20 exceeds 70 feet in length appear to be wrong.

    While the J-20 superficially resembles fifth-generation fighters such as the F-22 and F-35, experts do not believe Chinese designers will be able to produce an airframe that comes close to matching the manoeuvrability, survivability, lethality or situational awareness of an F-22 or F-35.

    F-35 Lightning II Program Website (accessed 30th June, 2011,http://www.jsf.mil/f35/f35_technology.htm):
    Low Observability - An integrated airframe design, advanced materials and an axisymmetric nozzle maximize the F-35's stealth features.
    Richard Aboulafia: (Washington Wire Blogs, 19th January, 2011, China’s J-20 Fighter: Stealthy or Just Stealthy-Looking?)

    In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst with the Teal Group, an aerospace and defense consulting firm, said China is still years away from perfecting stealth aircraft.

    It’s certainly stealthy-looking,” Mr. Aboulafia said. It looks like it’s got some of the faceting and some of the shaping that characterizes the front of the F-22, for example.

    But then you look the details and you realize this thing is just sort of cobbled together,” he added.

    Take, for instance, the canard: forewings close to the nose of the aircraft that provide maneuverability. According to Mr. Aboulafia, “There’s no better way of guaranteeing a radar reflection and compromise of stealth” than adding canards to the aircraft.

    It’s quite possible that in 10 years they have a functioning equivalent of the F-22, but by then, the West will have moved on to something far more impressive,” he said.
    Let’s put these august pontifications through the prism of the software simulator running the ‘Physical Optics’ specular reflection model of the J-20. Readers are encouraged to access and digest this analysis, but for the busy, here is the abstract verbatim:

    This study has explored the specular Radar Cross Section of the Chengdu J-20 prototype aircraft shaping design.

    Simulations using a Physical Optics simulation algorithm were performed for frequencies of 150 MHz, 600 MHz, 1.2 GHz, 3.0 GHz, 6.0 GHz, 8.0 GHz, 12.0 GHz, 16.0 GHz and 28 GHz without an absorbent coating, and for frequencies of 1.2 GHz, 3.0 GHz, 6.0 GHz, 8.0 GHz, 12.0 GHz, 16.0 GHz with an absorbent coating, covering all angular aspects of the airframe.

    In addition, the performance of a range of Chinese developed radar absorbers was modelled, based on a reasonable survey of unclassified Chinese research publications in the area.

    None of the surveyed materials were found to be suitable for use as impedance matched specular radar absorbers.

    Modelling has determined, that if the production J-20 retains the axisymmetric nozzles and smoothly area ruled sides, the aircraft could at best deliver robust Very Low Observable performance in the nose aspect angular sector.

    Conversely, if the production J-20 introduces a rectangular faceted nozzle design, and refinements to fuselage side shaping, the design would present very good potential for robust Very Low Observable performance in the S-band and above, for the nose and tail aspect angular sectors, with good performance in the beam aspect angular sector.

    This study has therefore established through Physical Optics simulation across nine radio-frequency bands, that no fundamental obstacles exist in the shaping design of the J-20 prototype precluding its development into a genuine Very Low Observable design.





    Above: L-band RCS, below X-band RCS head on, both in PCSR format (M.J. Pelosi).



    Engineers and Scientists who work in ‘stealth’ (AKA ‘Low Observable’) designs have a way for explaining it to lay people: ‘Stealth’ is achieved by Shaping, Shaping, Shaping and Materials (Denys Overholser).

    The F-22A is clearly well shaped for low observability above about 500 MHz, and from all important aspects. The J-20 has observed the ‘Shaping, Shaping, Shaping’ imperative, except for the axisymmetric nozzles, and some curvature of the sides that smears a strong, but very narrow specular return into something of a more observable fan. The X-35 mostly observed the ‘Shaping, Shaping, Shaping’ rule, but since then, to quote a colleague, ‘hideous lumps, bumps, humps and warts’ have appeared on the JSF to disrupt the shaping imperative, forcing excessive reliance on materials, which are at the rear-end of the path to ‘Low Observability’.

    While discussing ‘rear-ends’, both the F-35 and the J-20 have large signature contributions from their jet nozzles. However, the difference is much like the proverbial ‘Ham Omelette’: the F-35 Pig is committed, but the J-20 Chicken is a participant. If the Chinese decide that rear sector Low Observability is tactically and strategically important, they are at the design stage where they can copy the F-22A nozzle design for the production configuration of the J-20.

    In a market now dominated by “a total indifference to what is real”, no such option is now or ever was possible for the JSF, as its design is based upon meeting the bare minimum (a.k.a. “Threshold”) requirements of the JORD wherein “excellence is the enemy of good enough”; as has the STOVL F-35B as the baseline design; and, thus, is heavily constrained by the specified roles for this aircraft as well as the risks to reputations based political imperatives of accelerating a much-delayed and grossly over-budget program.

    The issue of the use of materials to suppress radar signature is interesting. Publications show that the Chinese are making a substantial investment in use of materials to reduce radar signature and have produced large volumes of research results. So far, there have been no Chinese public disclosures on materials that make a substantial reduction of signatures across a broad range of air combat radar frequencies. Come to think of it, there are no United States research papers on the subject. Why is that, one wonders?

    Let’s revisit the opinions expressed about the J-20 soon after its maiden flight.

    Robert Gates: (Defense News, 19 January 2011, ‘Gates Clarifies China’s Stealth Capabilities’)

    Gates said Saturday. “What I said was that in 2020 or 2025 that there would still be a vast disparity in the number of deployed fifth-generation aircraft that the United States had compared to anybody else in the world. And I continue to stand by that statement.”
    This could be true. What Robert Gates did not say was whether the disparity in numbers would be on the Chinese or the US side. Air Power Australia’s analyses suggest that the 2,457 US F-35s will lack sufficient ‘Low Observability’ to qualify for genuine ‘Stealth Status’. If the J-20 designers clean up the signature from the nozzles and other “hot spot” returns with good materials, it could be in the F-22A class. In that case, the actual situation might be 187 (less attrition) Raptors vs the J-20 production run of perhaps 500 plus. This IS a ‘vast disparity’ of numbers.
    We’ve been watching these developments all along,” Gates told reporters aboard his plane, which arrived in Beijing on Sunday. “I’ve been concerned about the development of the anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles ever since I took this job. We knew they were working on a stealth aircraft.”

    I think that what we’ve seen is that they may be somewhat further ahead in the development of that aircraft than our intelligence had earlier predicted.”
    Another ‘Capability Surprise’ admitted by the former Director of the CIA.
    Geoff Morrell: (China Military News 27th January, 2011, cited from bloomberg.com and written by Tony Capaccio)

    The U.S. Defense Department is reserving judgment on the capabilities of China's new J-20 fighter jet, spokesman Geoff Morrell said today.

    Public reports are only speculation when they assert that the Chinese fighter has cutting-edge "fifth-generation" stealth technologies -- such as advanced sensors, avionics and communications gear -- like those used in Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-22 and F-35 jets, he said.
    Air Power Australia’s analysis indicates that the US Department of Defence no longer need speculate on the specular returns of the J-20. The forward sector will be ‘Low Observable’ and development work on the aircraft could expand the ‘Low Observable’ angular aspects considerably.

    The F-35 has some ostensibly spectacular avionics although a sceptical observer might note that the avionics are largely ten-year-old tech, but only if it can meet the required level of quality assurance requirement in delivering millions of lines of ‘bug free’ software. Shame about the ‘Low Observability’ from aspects apart from a few degrees around the nose.
    Dr Loren Thompson: (Lexington Institute – Early Warning Blog,Wednesday, March 02, 2011)

    Although the J-20 resembles the outline of the stealthy F-22 Raptor when viewed head-on in its forward aspect, the plane clearly lacks many of the features that make Raptor the most capable air-to-air combat system in history.

    Early reports that the J-20 exceeds 70 feet in length appear to be wrong.

    While the J-20 superficially resembles fifth-generation fighters such as the F-22 and F-35, experts do not believe Chinese designers will be able to produce an airframe that comes close to matching the maneuverability, survivability, lethality or situational awareness of an F-22 or F-35.
    Dr Loren Thompson’s now very public underestimation of the actual size of the Chengdu J-20 aircraft is only eclipsed by his continuing failure to ignore the self evident truth arising from the similarities in the cardinal performance capabilities of the Chengdu J-20, F-22A Raptor and the Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA, namely: twin engine performance, highly disciplined low observables design, supercruise, Mach 2 category speeds, high to extreme agility, stratospheric cruise and loiter capabilities and overall large size with incumbent growth margins. The relative shortcomings of the F-35 now place the obsolete JSF in a generational limbo. With the tried and proven US Naval Test Pilot School truism of “systems do not a fighter aircraft make” ringing loudly for all to hear, no amount of ‘avionic systems’ and software can make up for less than capable aero-systems and aero-propulsive design.

    F-35 Lightning II Program Website (accessed 30th June 2011) http://www.jsf.mil/f35/f35_technology.htm):
    Low Observability - An integrated airframe design, advanced materials and an axisymmetric nozzle maximize the F-35's stealth features.

    As the Air Power Australia analysis clearly demonstrates, axisymmetric nozzles are not the way to “maximise .....stealth features”. Readers should not be misled by the chevrons on the nozzle tail-feathers derived from 1980’s research into mixing jet exhaust plumes for reducing aircraft noise. Air Power Australia has previously demonstrated the strength of returns from axisymmetric nozzles with ‘serrated’ edges in these works:

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-070109-1.html

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-...mozTocId787784

    Richard Aboulafia: (Washington Wire Blogs, 19th January 2011, China’s J-20 Fighter: Stealthy or Just Stealthy-Looking?)

    In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst with the Teal Group, an aerospace and defense consulting firm, said China is still “years” away from perfecting stealth aircraft.
    This could be correct. The use of ‘years’ is technically true for any number larger than one.
    It’s certainly stealthy-looking,” Mr. Aboulafia said. It looks like it’s got some of the faceting and some of the shaping that characterizes the front of the F-22, for example.

    But then you look the details and you realize this thing is just sort of cobbled together,” he added.
    Seems like the Cobbler knows his craft. The Air Power Australia modeling shows some very credible ‘Low Observability’ results.
    Take, for instance, the canard: forewings close to the nose of the aircraft that provide maneuverability. According to Mr. Aboulafia, “There’s no better way of guaranteeing a radar reflection and compromise of stealth” than adding canards to the aircraft.
    What is the difference between an elevator and a canard, apart from the location on the aircraft? Each has a leading edge, a trailing edge, and a tip alignment, so as long as the rules of alignment are observed, there should be no difference. The Air Power Australia simulations do show specular returns from geometric alignments, as is common with all ‘stealth’ aircraft. These are tactically managed with flight-path directional control.
    It’s quite possible that in 10 years they have a functioning equivalent of the F-22, but by then, the West will have moved on to something far more impressive,” he said.
    Hmmmn, run that by me again. Developing a new aircraft type in the USA now seems to take up to three decades. What research and development programmes have been funded to produce the (say) competitive X-60 / X-61 replacement for the F-22A and the F-35? And will the debt-laden USA be able to afford the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to develop a competitive new air combat aircraft?

    The pronouncements that China will require until 2020-2025 to produce a competitor to the F-22A seem to have the same hollow ring of Neville Chamberlain’s ‘Peace in our Time’ pronouncement, spoken on the 30th September, 1938.

    IMINT confirms there were two (2) J-20 full scale test articles involved in the public theatre during the Hon Robert Gate’s visit to China in January last – one undertaking the high speed taxi “trials” while the other performed the first “public” flight.

    The timing of such theatre, level of completeness of the two test articles and the fact that first flights usually follow high speed taxi work on the same test aircraft were clearly as much for the benefit of the Chinese people as for Western observers, and go a long way to support closed-source information that some analysts have been contemplating for a while; namely:
    • the Chengdu J-20 design has been flying for some time, likely since circa 2006;

    • a number of full scale test articles (>4) have been built and flown;

    • the level of completeness of the two aircraft ‘displayed’ in early 2011 suggests these examples of the J-20 are beyond proof-of-concept and developmental prototypes; likely early pre-production prototypes; and,

    • given the significance of 2010 in terms of regional and global air power planning, waiting till 2011 to introduce the world to the Chengdu J-20 showed, at the very least, consideration for not wanting to upset or interrupt the plans of others - a most ‘Napoleonic’ of gestures befitting a carefully considered and inscrutable strategy to “never disturb your enemy when he is making a mistake”.

    Air Power Australia’s application of the Laws of Physics to the J-20 Physical Optic simulation analysis produces facts. Opinions that ignore the facts produce hubristic [Hubristic: Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance] statements.

    To conclude, here is a very perceptive quotation from McGeorge “Mac” Bundy, National Security Advisor to the Kennedy and Johnson administrations:
    There is no safety in unlimited technological hubris”.

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    New Chinese Stealth Jet Starts Talk Of Russian Help
    August 18, 2011

    Similarities between a new Chinese fighter jet and a prototype Russian plane have led to suggestions that Moscow may be quietly helping Beijing compete with the world's military powers.

    Experts say the fifth-generation J-20 fighter, which made its maiden flight in January during a visit of the U.S. defense secretary, could have its origins in the Mikoyan 1.44 stealth jet that never made it to the production line.

    A highly placed source close to Russia's defence industry said the similarities suggested Mikoyan technology had been passed into the hands of Chinese arms designers.

    "It looks like they got access... to documents relating to the Mikoyan -- the aircraft that the Ministry of Defence skipped over in its tender to create a stealth fighter," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    He said it was not clear whether such a transfer of technology had been legal. Analysts say Russia's assistance to the Chinese may help Moscow keep tabs on the rising military power's defence capabilities of its eastern neighbour.

    Independent analyst Adil Mukashev, who specialises in ties between Russia and China, suggested there had been a financial transaction.

    "China bought the technology for parts, including the tail of the Mikoyan, for money," he said.

    China's Defence Ministry declined a request for comment. Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), which oversees production of the Mikoyan jets, denies any technology or design transfer took place with China.

    Only the United States has an operational fifth-generation fighter, which is nearly impossible to track on radar. Russia is working to start serial production of its prototype craft in the next five to six years.

    China's creation of such a plane would put the country into an elite group of military powers, although analysts say it will take years to perfect the craft.

    The source said Chinese officials had been invited to the plane's first public display when Russia was in the early stages of creating a fighter jet to compete with the U.S. F-22.

    Rival designer Sukhoi was eventually contracted to help build the fighter and the Mikoyan 1.44, which lacks the radar-evading engineering of the U.S. F-22, was passed over.

    DEVELOPING MILITARY TIES

    Russia, the world's top energy producer, has fed China, the largest energy consumer, with natural gas and oil in its fast rise to become a global power. But it has been unable to keep up with China's military spending, which was second only to the United States' in 2010.

    Relations between the two countries are cordial but, in a sign that the two sides are suspicious of each other, Moscow is boosting its military capabilities in Russia's Far East to defend its position in resource-rich Siberia.

    China, once a big buyer of Russian tanks, helicopters and jet fighters, has slowed its purchases from Moscow as its own production grew but military ties remain.

    "It wouldn't be the first time for Russians to do this," Stratfor Senior Analyst Lauren Goodrich said of the possibility that China had received help from Russia.

    "As long as it can control all the components, then Russia can not only control the production of such weaponry but would also know the signatures of the more advanced weaponry the Chinese have," she said.

    China's ambassador to Russia, Li Huei, was quoted last year as saying defence cooperation with Russia was moving beyond the buying and selling of weapons.

    Beijing is also trying to boost its naval power and its first aircraft carrier had its maiden voyage this month. The re-fitted Soviet craft was bought from Ukraine.

    "The Chinese aerospace industry is booming and developing rapidly," said Mikhail Pogosyan, head of UAC.

    "In the aerospace industry what matters is the experience you have -- not only to start a project but to see it through," he said on the sidelines of Russia's premiere air show, MAKS.

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    probably wrong thread, but that have a stealth fighter too:

    China's J-20 Stealth Fighter Is Already Doing A Whole Lot More Than Anyone Expected

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china...#ixzz1p0bVSJQk

    New pictures of the China's J-20 Mighty Dragon stealth fighter have surfaced and are making their way across military blogs.
    This newest round of photos show the J-20 in the skies somewhere over mainland China.
    The prototype is said to be using the Saturn AL-31 turbofan engine developed by the Russians for their Su-27 air superiority fighter.
    Reuben Johnson at The Washington Times reports the Chinese may be as much as 10 years away from producing an original stealth engine to slip into the J-20.
    In the meantime, they'll have to take comfort in the fact that while the F-22 Raptor may be more agile and made entirely in the U.S., the Dragon carries more fuel and weapons than Lockheed's fighter.
    The J-20's development is also moving along much faster than anyone had expected. Back in 2009, Gen. He Weirong, deputy commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force said in a TV interview that the J-20 wouldn't be operational until 2017-2019. That estimate will likely be revised if work continues at the current pace.
    Bill Sweetman at AviationWeek points out that for all its headway, no one is yet sure what the J-20 is for. He speculates that given the aircraft's size and weapons bays, it may be used to "threaten intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets and tankers, by using stealth and speed to defeat their escorts."



    You can just glimpse the pilot in this shot of the single-seat J-20


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    China developed their own WS-10G turbofan engines to power the Mighty Dragon


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    The J-20 climbed the sky to demonstrate its maneuverability


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    Its frontal fuselage has been designed like the F-22 Raptor to reduce radar detectability


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    The J-20 has a large weapon bay with two smaller lateral bays for short and long range air-to-air missiles


    Chinese Military Review



    Expect more of China showing off its new military developments


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    They have more than 40 underground air bases that are harboring China's new air fleet


    Chinese Internet via Air Power Australia





    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china...#ixzz1p0bfbTW1
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    Beetle,
    Went ahead and moved your post over to the thread going on on the J-20.

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    Went ahead and moved your post over to the thread going on on the J-20.

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    Not a big deal.

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    Chinese ‘Mighty Dragon’ doomed to breathe Russian fire

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    While Beijing is proudly leaking more images of J-20 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, China continues to buy Russian military jet engines and spare parts, which might indicate China is in a technological deadlock.

    *China is making an attempt to catch up with world leaders and develop hi-tech vehicles in the absence of crucial military know-how and technology, like engines for ultrasonic cruise flights and active phased array antennas.

    “As of now, it is too early to say that China is capable of creating a fifth-generation jet from start to finish,” told RT Vasily Kashin from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

    *Chinese 5th-gen fighter jet


    *The Chinese J-20 (Mighty Dragon) fith-generation fighter jet program is advancing in truly huge strides. The jet has already made over 60 test flights, performing elements of aerial acrobatics.

    In 2009, General He Weirong, Deputy Commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force estimated that the J-20 would be operational no earlier than in 2017-2019. Now it appears Chinese engineers have done a great job and the jet is much closer to being ready than expected.

    Created by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, this heavy fighter jet is the first military plane China has constructed on its own, without visible attempts at copying foreign technology. It resembles neither the American Raptor F-22, nor the Russian T-50 PAK-FA.


    J-20 Image from chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com

    Though peculiar forms of the jet and technical decisions allegedly realized in the vehicle might be questionable, one thing about this plane is an established fact.

    As of now, the J-20 flies with two Russian AL-31F jet engines it borrowed from the Russian Su-27 fighter jet that entered Chinese service in the mid-1980s.

    China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.

    The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.

    No question the Chinese jet is a prototype model and technology demonstration vehicle called to test new equipment and technology.

    Defined as a technology showroom, it may fly whatever engines its creator considers possible. But China has no working engine for a 5G jet.

    Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use.

    Chinese dependence on Russian engines can only be explained by technological inferiority of Chinese engine-building.

    Beijing has found itself in a position when getting a decent 5G fighter jets with complying engines means buying engines in Russia, because no other country will sell them anything similar.


    J-20 Image from chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com

    *Why China needs Russian 4++ fighter jets


    *This week, news came that Moscow and Beijing are close to striking a deal on China buying 48 Su-35 multifunctional fighter jets for $4 billion. The main reason for this remarkable purchase could be Russia’s jet engines.

    The Su-35 flies with two next generation AL-41F1C engines that enable it to achieve hypersonic speed without afterburner, a feature attributed to 5G jets. And AL-41F1C actually is a de-rated version of the AL-41F1 (117C) engine used on the undergoing tests T-50 PAK-FA, Russian 5G fighter jet.


    SU-35 military jet (Reuters / Sergei Karpukhin)

    The new Russian engine AL-41F1C is what China needs to make J-20 fly as a 5G jet.

    In 2010, when Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was on visit to China, Beijing proposed to buy 117C engines, but the offer was turned down.

    Russians agreed to sell only assembled planes and in addition insist on signing a special anti-copycat agreement, designed to prevent the Chinese from copying the vehicle and its parts, as has happened before.

    This demand has become a stumbling block in the negotiations. After the news about the deal emerged, the Chinese Ministry of Defense rushed to deny that negotiations on Su-35 with Moscow are in the terminal stage.

    “Actually, any negotiations with China always come to the following: they try to buy a small lot [of arms] for examination and possible further replication. Naturally, Russia is aware of such risks and refuse to sell arms in small quantities,” said Vasily Kashin, explaining China’s canny moves to obtain missing technology.

    Russia has great doubts concerning the practicability of selling AL-41F1C engines to Beijing without the special replication clause. This does not suit China because in the end they need technology to organize a production line for such engines of their own.

    *China’s copycat efforts

    For many years China has been the biggest buyer of Russian military planes. Overall it has bought 178 fighter jets of only Su-27/Su-30 family – until producing a successful copycat of it, named J-11.

    They also replicated Russian deck-based fighter Su-33 (J-15), Su-27 fighter jet (J-10), Su-30 (J-11), MiG-29 (FC-1).

    *Chinese dragon with Russian engines

    Kashin predicts that after long negotiations Moscow and Beijing will finally strike a separate jet engine deal and Russia will supply engines for the J-20 program, the way it already supplies engines to all four major types of Chinese fighter jets which are actually copycats of Soviet-made planes.

    “Buying the Su-35 to dismantle its engines to put on J-20 would be madly expensive for the Chinese,” said Kashin.

    “The J-20 is a very technically-risky project because there is no guarantee that Chinese will be capable to put into shape by 2017 several systems they are developing for the project, including special munitions and an active phased array antenna of they own in-house design,” Kashin told RT.

    The J-20s will most likely fly with Russian engines for years before they make a reliable engine of their own, Kashin said.


    J-20 Image from chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com

    The expert also pointed out that while the Chinese stated earlier they attempted to make a jet with the characteristics of an American F-22, they more likely are now working not on a fighter, but a stealth assault jet.

    The J-20 will presumably be capable of piercing an enemy’s air defense to strike an important target – something like an aircraft carrier, as could be seen in J-20 “Attack on all fronts” advertising clip.

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