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    FNC is reporting now about it.

    Guess what... Pentagon has confirmed this our plane.

    They have confirmed they lost "contact" "due to a mechanical malfunction".

    And it has been CONFIRMED that the Pentagon came up with three separate plans to retrieve or destroy the plane (worth 6 million US dollars) but President Obama NIXED ALL THE PLANS TO PREVENT A WAR WITH IRAN.

    Ok....

    great.

    The President is a sissy.
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    I just gave up ANY hope this country will exist beyond 2020.

    Probably we're done now, just waiting for someone to turn off the oven and stick a fork in us.
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    Why aren't these drones equipped with self destruct mechanisms that, for example, if they don't receive an encrypted code within x amount of time detonate?

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    Also, good thing we decided to kill the F-22.

    Not like a stealth aircraft with a small strike package able to be called up at a moment's notice and stationed in the Middle East vicinity would be handy.

    Would be much better if we had to spool up a big old B-2 from Diego Garcia or mainland US just to drop a couple small bombs on a downed UAV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterle Matteo View Post
    Planes need pilots!

    You can not think to be safe behind a desk.

    (With a human pilot this wont happen.)
    And a human pilot would either be dead, beaten, or tortured and prisoner right now.

    You would prefer that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterle Matteo View Post
    Ehhhh!

    A pilot flying over enemy's...knows what it means.

    He accept the risk.

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    Think about:

    An Iranian enginear with PC can not make a human piloted plane landing.

    Umm... Peterle, that's simply untrue. We're not talking about an engineer anyway, they were READY for this. There were people available to pilot that craft down.

    Peterle, I am NOT a pilot, but I CAN land a simple aircraft with standard controls IF I MUST. I know enough about flying and the physics to control an aircraft using standard controls, throttle and I've practiced that very thing on computer simulators.

    I probably can't land a 747, but I damn sure can land a two engine Cessna, and several models of military aircraft if my life was put on the line to do so.....

    you think about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vector7 View Post
    Nice...

    I wonder how concerned the Obama Administration is to see this technology fall intact right into
    the hands of the Russians and Chinese to get caught up on 20 years of Stealth and Drone Research?

    Not only will they begin replicating this technology, countermeasures to to it will find it's way into all Axis anti-aircraft systems very soon.
    Here's my answer...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    FNC is reporting now about it.

    Guess what... Pentagon has confirmed this our plane.

    They have confirmed they lost "contact" "due to a mechanical malfunction".

    And it has been CONFIRMED that the Pentagon came up with three separate plans to retrieve or destroy the plane (worth 6 million US dollars) but President Obama NIXED ALL THE PLANS TO PREVENT A WAR WITH IRAN.

    Ok....

    great.

    The President is a sissy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Donaldson View Post
    I just gave up ANY hope this country will exist beyond 2020.

    Probably we're done now, just waiting for someone to turn off the oven and stick a fork in us.

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    Iran shows off captured US drone

    Iran triumphantly displayed one of America’s most advanced intelligence-gathering aircraft on Thursday after a spy drone crashed on its territory, leading Russia and China to ask to inspect its technology.


    The aircraft was shown beneath an Iranian flag, apparently intact after crashing 140 miles inside the country last Sunda Photo: AFP

    By David Blair, Chief Foreign Correspondent, and Alex Spillius

    8:14PM GMT 08 Dec 2011

    The RQ-170 Sentinel, supposedly the CIA’s unseen “eye in the sky”, capable of beaming back a trove of imagery and electronic intercepts, was broadcast on Iranian state television.

    The aircraft was shown beneath an Iranian flag, apparently intact after crashing 140 miles inside the country last Sunday. State television claimed that an electronic attack had forced it down by overriding flight systems. American officials acknowledged the loss of the aircraft, but said it was more likely the drone had simply crashed.

    Russia and China immediately seized their chance to gain a unique insight into one of the world’s most powerful intelligence assets, asking Iran for permission to inspect the drone. Surveillance flights over Iran by CIA-operated aircraft of this kind have been taking place for several years, using bases in neighbouring Afghanistan. Iran’s nuclear installations are believed to be the prime target.

    The Sentinel, which entered service in 2009, is capable of both intercepting communications and gathering images. No Sentinels are known to have been lost before. Unlike other drones used by the CIA, notably the Predator and the Reaper, the Sentinel carries no weapons and its sole purpose is reconnaissance.

    If Russia and China are allowed to inspect the Sentinel, their goal would be to identify - and then replicate - its advanced technology. Elizabeth Quintana, an expert on unmanned air vehicles at the Royal United Services Institute, said they would be particularly interested in the drone’s ability to evade detection by radar.

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    This “stealth technology” is also used by the most advanced “fifth generation” fighters in service with the US Air Force, notably the F-22 Raptor. “The Chinese and the Russians are looking to emulate the US fifth generation fighters,” said Ms Quintana. “The Chinese are very keen to replicate any American technologies and they are coming along in leaps and bounds.”

    They would also want to study the RQ-170’s sensors, which allow it to keep large areas under surveillance while the drone loiters, undetected, at an altitude of 50,000 feet. The Russians and Chinese would also focus on its electronic eavesdropping capabilities and the mission systems that allow the aircraft to be guided and controlled.

    In 2001, China managed to get hold of a P-3 Orion reconnaissance aircraft, operated by the US Navy, when it was forced down after a mid-air collision.

    This allowed China to develop counter-measures to the surveillance systems carried by the Orion, forcing the US to upgrade its entire fleet.

    Ms Quintana said the American would be worried about the possibility of the “same thing happening” in respect of the Sentinel. It was “standard procedure” for US forces to recover or destroy any drones that are lost, she added. This aircraft appears to have gone down too far inside Iran for any such operation to be feasible.

    Russia and China have relatively cordial relations with Tehran, although they allowed the United Nations to pass four resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran.

    The Iranian armed forces are likely to use their possession of the drone as a bargaining counter and to seek concessions from Russia and China in return for allowing inspections. But Iran could lack the expertise needed to examine the Sentinel and reverse engineer its technology. Peter Singer, director of the 21st Century Defence Initiative at the Brookings Institution, said: “What the Iranians are getting from this is symbolic and a shift in the discussion from their nuclear programme and taking over foreign embassies. They are not able to do a lot of reverse engineering on their own, but they have certain nations they have cooperated with in the past. Flights from Moscow and Beijing to Tehran have I’m sure been full this week.”

    China will also be interested in the drone’s engine, added Mr Singer. “The ability to reverse engineer and understand how our aircraft work means the Chinese could build their own derivatives which would be an improvement on what they have now,” he said. The Sentinel is believed to fly at 500-600 mph, compared with the 100mph maximum of the better known Predator.

    Some American experts suggested that Iran’s display of an apparently undamaged drone could have been faked, pointing to the four days that elapsed after its loss. “What I’m looking at is a parade float,” said John Pike, director of Global Security.org. “Why did it take so long to show it?”

    Drones carry crucial advantages that justify the risk of using them over hostile countries. Satellites orbiting the earth can only cover their targets for relatively short - and predictable - time windows. Drones can loiter for extended periods, beaming back live pictures.

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    Why Iran's capture of US drone will shake CIA

    By Frank Gardner BBC security correspondent


    The drone, shown here on Iranian television, appears to be in very good condition

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    Bat-winged, high-flying and hard to detect, America's RQ-170 Sentinel plane is the perfect stealth drone for peering into another country's secret sites without being caught.

    One was used in May to feed back live footage of the US Navy Seal raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

    So probably not the sort of hardware the CIA would ever like to fall into the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps? Oops.

    On 4 December, around 140 miles inside Iran from its border with Afghanistan, that is exactly what has happened.

    On Thursday afternoon, Iran displayed its captured trophy on TV, apparently perfectly intact and, according to the Iranian media, Russian and Chinese military intelligence officials are taking a keen interest in it.
    Opinion is divided on how this hi-tech intelligence-gathering drone fell into "the wrong hands" and, indeed, what it was doing inside Iran.

    Built by Lockheed Martin, unveiled at Kandahar Airbase in 2009 and capable of flying at an altitude of up to 50,000ft (15.2km), this Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) carries no missiles, unlike the larger, lethal drones, the Predator and the Reaper, that also fly from bases in Afghanistan.

    The US says simply that its Sentinel had a malfunction, but the plane is supposed to have a failsafe back-up system that automatically steers it back to base if contact is lost with its controller.

    Sophisticated sensors
    The base in this case is Shindand in western Afghanistan, a former Soviet airbase from where US-operated drones are used to monitor the movements of Taliban insurgents and smugglers along the long border with Iran.


    The RQ-170 Sentinel drone was built by Lockheed Martin


    But speculation is rife that this particular aircraft was flying deep inside Iran to gather intelligence and real-time video footage of Iran's nuclear sites.

    It was carrying an array of sophisticated sensors that will be of great interest to Iran and other countries.

    If, as was originally thought, the Sentinel had been shot down then there would have been little to put on display but a pile of twisted wreckage.

    Instead, what was on show on Iranian TV was an immaculate gleaming white drone that looked straight off the production line.

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    In the CIA Directorate of Intelligence at Langley, Virginia, eyes will be rolling skywards as analysts work out the long-term damage to US intelligence”
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    Which tends to back up the claim by Iran that its forces brought down the drone through electronic warfare, in other words that it electronically hijacked the plane and steered it to the ground.

    On Thursday, the Commander of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force Brig-Gen Amir Ali Hajizadeh said "through precise electronic monitoring it was known that this plane had the objective of penetrating the country's skies for espionage purposes.

    "After entering the country's eastern space the plane was caught in an electronic ambush by the armed forces and it was brought down on the land with minimum damage."

    This affair is both a political embarrassment and an intelligence setback for Washington.

    It is also unlikely to help those countries like Britain that are trying to obstruct and delay what they suspect is an Iranian nuclear weapons programme - a programme Tehran denies.

    Iran has now formally complained about the US intrusion into its airspace and asked for compensation.

    In the CIA Directorate of Intelligence at Langley, Virginia, eyes will be rolling skywards as analysts work out the long-term damage to US intelligence.

    Not only must they accept that some of their most successful and useful surveillance technology is now in the hands of the very people they were using it on, they will also have to think very carefully before sending anything else into Iranian airspace.

    Above all, they must be asking: does Iran really have the capacity to intercept transmissions between our stealth drones and our controllers on the ground?

    Iran shows intercepted CIA drone unscathed (VIDEO)


    Published: 08 December, 2011, 22:41




    Days after the Pentagon first denied and then admitted that it lost touch with a high-tech drone aircraft, authorities in Iran are now saying that they have the plane — and its condition is pristine.

    The unmanned, robotic aircraft — a RQ170 Sentinel drone plane — disappeared last week. American authorities quickly dismissed claims that they lost the plane over Iran, only to later admit that the CIA was flying a reconnaissance mission over Afghanistan when they lost touch with the top-secret stealth drone. Soon after it was believed that communication was cut once the plane waded through the air in Iranian territory. American officials then claimed that satellite imagery showed that the drone had crashed and was beyond repair.

    Officials out of Tehran, however, now say that they intercepted the craft and have it in perfect shape. For proof, Iran television has even broadcast footage of the craft.

    Tehran is saying that they brought down the drone themselves with the Iranian Army’s electronic warfare unit after they caught the craft in Iran, around 140 miles from the country’s border with Afghanistan.

    The Sentinel has been in the arsenal of the US military since 2009 and the Pentagon has gone to great lengths to keep its exact capabilities under wraps, though those speaking under condition of anonymity to the Los Angeles Times have revealed that among its powers is the ability to intercept cell phone transmissions and sniff out toxic chemicals from miles above the Earth’s surface, all while remaining undetected.

    "It's bad — they'll have everything,” one official added to the Times.

    "It carries a variety of systems,” author Peter W. Singer tells the Times, “to its allies . . . it's a potential gold mine.”

    Given the craft’s complex technology, the interception out of Iran allowed for authorities to down the drone in what appears to be perfect condition. BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says such supports the claim by Iran that its forces electronically hijacked the plane brought it down without a crash.

    Is the hacking of the drone’s complex system a possibility for Iran? Less than two months ago, RT reported that a key-logger virus was installed on the computers at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada, infecting information in the cockpits of drones. The Air Force officials on the base were not made aware of the incident until an expose in Wired’s Danger Room revealed the details.

    As it so happens, the Sentinel is dispatched out of the same base. If that virus from months back was in fact perpetrated by Tehran, the United States could be the victim of cyber warfare courtesy of Iran. Such an attack has been among the Pentagon’s worries for years now, and in May the DoD formally filed paperwork that says computer sabotage from another nation counts as an act of war. Speaking to the Wall Street Journal at the time, one unnamed military official was quoted as saying, “If you shut down our power grid, maybe we will put a missile down one of your smokestacks.”

    While the US investigates how they managed to lose the craft to Iran, the biggest concern for America right now is what Tehran will do with the craft.

    As threats grow of a potential nuclear program overseas and tensions between countries worsen, the technology of such an advanced craft in the hands of the perceived enemy — and its allies — could be detrimental to any military action the US intends on carrying out in the future — or any action dished out by Iran.

    "Among the United States' main concerns is that Iran could use an intact aircraft to examine the vulnerabilities in stealth technology and take countermeasures with its air defense systems,” reports Iran’s FARS news agency. “Another is that China or other US adversaries could help Iran extract data from the drone that would reveal its flight history, surveillance targets and other capabilities.

    The drone was programmed to destroy such data in the event of a malfunction, but it failed to do so.”

    “The blow has been so heavy that the US officials do not still want to accept that Iran brought down the plane by a cyberattack."

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    Fear of Iran Makes US Abort Covert Plan to Retrieve Spy Drone

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    December 8, 2011



    TEHRAN (FNA)- US special forces intended to conduct a covert mission inside Iran to retrieve or destroy a very precious stealth drone that was downed by Iran on Sunday, but ultimately gave up the plan for their fear of Iran's tough response, Washington officials revealed on Thursday.

    Iran announced on Sunday that its defense forces had downed the aircraft through a sophisticated cyberattack. The drone is the first such loss by the US. Initially, officials in Washington didn't believe Iran had detected and downed the drone, but they later admitted that they had lost it. White House officials first alleged that the drone was not anything special and belonged to the ISAF forces in Afghanistan, but later admitted that the unmanned surveillance plane was a stealth aircraft being used for top secret missions by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The US officials are now trying to convince the world that the aircraft and its systems are not among those technologies which shouldn't have been exposed to Iran, but the western media reported today that the aircraft is so important for the US that they have worked out three operations to retrieve or destroy it.

    The RQ-170 has special coatings and a batwing shape designed to help it penetrate other nations' air defenses undetected. The existence of the aircraft, which is made by Lockheed Martin, has been known since 2009, when a model was photographed at the main US airfield in Kandahar, Afghanistan. US officials unveiled on Thursday that they considered various options for retrieving the RQ-170 Sentinel drone. US officials considered both sending in a team of American commandos based in Afghanistan as well as using allied agents inside Iran to hunt down the downed aircraft. Another option would have had a team sneak in to blow up the drone. A third option would have been to destroy the highly sophisticated aircraft with an airstrike. However, the officials worried that any option for retrieving or destroying the drone would have risked a tough reaction by Iran. "No one warmed up to the option of recovering it or destroying it because of the potential it could become a larger incident," the US official said according to Wall Street Journal. If an assault team entered the country to recover or destroy the drone, the official said, the US "could be accused of an act of war" by the Iranian government. Meantime, the US media are trying to convince the world that the drone has been badly damaged and is not of much use to Tehran, but Iran on Thursday evening released the first images along with thorough explanations about its systems, specifications and the way it was downed by military forces in Eastern Iran. The images and the footages aired by the Iranian state-run TV showed that the stealth aircraft is almost intact and without any major damage.

    The Thursday evening images, footage and explanations are available on FNA website (the footage is, of course, only available on our Persian website). Iranian officials had earlier informed the media that the craft sustained only minor damage. US intelligence and military officials declined to comment on the specific mission the drone was flying when it was brought down by Iran. George Little, the Pentagon press secretary, declined to comment on the discussions over options to recover the drone. US officials claimed that analyzing the materials that contribute to the craft's stealth qualities wouldn't tell Iranian scientists how to manufacture the necessary coatings, but Iran does not need this information as it manufactured a radar evading spy drone with both surveillance and bombing capabilities almost two years ago. Iran successfully tested a home-made radar-evading UAV with bombing capabilities in June 2009. A year before that, the country's Defense Industries launched production lines of two well-known home-made fighter jets, namely Saeqeh (Thunderbolt) and Azarakhsh (Lightening). Iran started construction of a plant in the northern province of Mazandaran in March 2009 to mass produce various types of UAVs for a wide variety of missions. Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi announced in October, 2010 that the country's first home-made long-range Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) named 'Karrar' has a flight range of 1,000km. "Karrar's flying radius reaches 1000km," Vahidi said on the sidelines of a ceremony to unveil Karrar, and added, "In addition to Karrar, Iran possesses other UAVs with a flying range of 1,000 km." "The jet drone enjoys abundant capabilities, including its far range and operational depth," he said, adding that Iranian experts have increased the flying altitude of the UAV. Vahidi also reiterated that Iranian drones can perform different missions and are capable of recording events and transmitting them to their military headquarters. Iran in early February, 2010 inaugurated the production line of two home-made UAVs with bombing and reconnaissance capabilities. The two hi-tech drones named 'Ra'd' (Thunder) and 'Nazir' (Harbinger) are capable of conducting long-range reconnaissance, patrolling, assault and bombing missions with high precision.

    Ra'd which is a UAV of choice for assault and bombing missions has the capability to destroy the specified targets with high pinpoint precision. Iran has recently made good progress in the air industry and has succeeded in gaining the technical know-how for producing stealth aircraft and drones.

    Another point regarding the RQ-170 Sentinel spy drone of the CIA which was downed in Iran late last week is that the US media are trying to convince the world that the aircraft has crashed after the CIA lost its control, aside from the fact that a crashed drone cannot be so intact as it was displayed on the Iranian TV, the US officials should remind the history of their lost drones over the Iranian airspace in the last 7 years. In January, Commander of the IRGC Aerospace Force Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh told "Payam Engelab" (Message of the Revolution) monthly, an internal publication of the IRGC, that Iranian military forces had shot down several spy planes of foreign forces, adding that two of these planes had been shot down over the Persian Gulf. "We have, thus far, shot down a large number of their highly advanced spy planes". After shooting down these planes the IRGC aerospace unit has copied and produced them in large numbers through reverse engineering, the commander added. The next day, Deputy Head of the General Staff of Iran's Armed Forces Major General Gholam Ali Rashid confirmed earlier reports claiming that several US drones have been shot down by the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) air defense units, and said that the planes had been targeted outside Iranian airspace. "Of course, I should say that the drones have been shot down by an air defense response of the IRGC Air Force outside Iran's airspace, that is outside our FIR (Iran's Flight Information Region), in the Persian Gulf," Rashid told FNA on Sunday. A flight information region (FIR) is an aviation term used to describe airspace with specific dimensions, in which a flight information service and an alerting service are provided. It is the largest regular division of airspace in use in the world today. Rashid further added that these pilotless planes are currently kept and controlled by the IRGC.

    A few days later, a senior Iranian military official confirmed reports on the shooting down of several enemy drones over the Persian Gulf, and said Iran has targeted a large number of these pilotless planes during the last 7 years. "We have experienced similar incidents many times in the past and there have even been drones belonging to the occupying Zionist regime (Israel), the United States and Britain which have been shot down in the Persian Gulf during the past 7 years," the senior military official told FNA Monday on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the information. He also confirmed that the planes had been targeted outside Iranian airspace, and noted, "The move shows that we are careful in a bid to stop violation of Iran's airspace by alien aggressive drones."


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    Russian radar sniffers has delivered to Iran highly-advanced Avtobaza truck-mounted systems, Game Changer



    Moscow has sold Iran the highly-advanced Avtobaza truck-mounted systems which are capable of jamming aircraft radar and the electronic guidance instruments of attacking missiles. The detectors, called 1L222 Avtobaza, passively collect electromagnetic radiation from surrounding airspace and identify its sources. Those include side-looking airborne radars used in combat aircraft, targeting radars of air-to-surface weapons, and radars used to guide aircraft flying at extremely low altitudes.

    This deal, announced in Moscow Tuesday, Oct. 25, substantially boosts Russian military assistance to the Islamic Republic.

    debkafile’s military sources: These radar jammers are a component of Russia's most sophisticated anti-aircraft and electronic warfare system for the early warning of approaching assault planes and missiles.

    Avtobaza is only part of the complete system. Its job is to transmit incoming information via optic fibers to separate electronic command centers and central air defense commands which then act to foil air or missile attacks.

    Arguing that the weapon is purely defensive, Moscow claimed its sale to Iran does not violate the UN Security Council weapons embargo against Iran.

    However, the US and Israel are reported to suspect a Russian stratagem whereby the Avotbaza jammers are only the first part of the deal, to be followed by the delivery to Iran of the full ELINT-electronic signals intelligence system. The full system would enable Iran to identity and react to any aerial or missile movements – not only over its territory but in the skies of the entire Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea.

    debkafile’s military sources describe the Avrobaza system as able to simultaneously detect and electronically jam 60 targets within a 150-kilometer radius at angles ranging 360 degrees on 20 minutes notice.

    Western suspicions were alerted by the way the Russians announced the transaction.

    It was made by Konstantin Biryulin, head of a department in the Russian Defense Ministry, a departure from the usual practice of announcing these transactions through spokesmen of Russia arms export industry agencies outside the government ministry.

    debkafile’s sources in Moscow take this to mean that the Kremlin will henceforth treat arms sales to Iran as a strategic matter for senior security echelons to handle. They expect such deals with Syria to be upgraded in the same way.

    In his statement, Biryulin stressed, “Russia has sent a set of mobile radar jammers to Iran and is negotiating future deliveries.” He did not say how many jammers were in the contract or what other weapons were under negotiation with Tehran.

    American and Israeli notice was also piqued by another of Biryulin’s remarks:
    “We are not talking about jets, submarines or even S-300 (missile) systems," he said. "We are talking about providing security for the Iranian state.”

    Our Moscow sources take this also as the Kremlin's notice that this time it will not surrender to US and Israeli pressure for calling off the Avtobaza deal in the same way as it revoked its contract with Iran for supplying S-300 missiles. From now on, Russia is undertaking responsibility for providing Iran with the defensive hardware it needs for its national security.

    Implied in this undertaking is another message: Russia will not stand for American or any other Western attacks on Iran or Syria like the NATO operation which overthrew Muammar Qaddafi in Libya.

    Kvant 1L222 Avtobaza ELINT System



    Rosoboronexport Description (Cite):

    The Avtobaza ELINT system is designed to detect airborne side-looking radars, air-toground fire-control radars and low-altitude flight control radars, as well as to provide intelligence data for the 1L125M APUR.

    Composition

    • equipment vehicle based on the Ural-43203 chassis with the K1.4320 van
    • ED2x16-T230P-1VAS electric power generator in the K1.4320 van on the Ural 4310 chassis

    The ELINT system displays on the TV screen acquired targets with data on their direction finding, angular coordinates (azimuth and elevation), radiation signal parameters (carrier frequency, duration, pulse repetition frequency) and radar type classification (sidelooking, fire control, low-altitude flight control radar). The APUR automated jamming control system is fed with target data (frequency band number according to frequency assignment of jamming systems, type of emitting radars and their angular coordinates) via cable at a range of up to 100 metres.





    Lantan/Almaz-Antey Valeria E ELINT and Emitter Locating System



    Russian sources have reported the development of the Valeria E which appears to be Russian designed and built replacement for the Czechoslovak KRTP-86/91 Tamara series of emitter locating systems. To date no imagery of the antenna system and vehicles has been published.

    The system is intended to detect, track and identify airborne emitters, including radars and support jamming aircraft, from VHF through to the Ku/Ka bands. A cylindral wideband phased array antenna is employed.

    Cited Capabilities (Rusarmy.com):

    • Automatic detection and measurement of emitter coordinates (range, azimuth, angle of elevation, altitude and velocity vector);
    • Determining emitter and platform kinematic parameters (air-space, ground and surface);
    • Recognition of the type and class of targets from their emissions, classification of objectives in terms of threats and priorities for their destruction;
    • Locating opposing ground based emitters;
    • MASINT/ELINT collection tasks;
    • Threat warning and raid warning;
    • Enemy Electronic OrBat analysis;
    • Threat detection, tracking and cueing for fighter GCI and medium and long range SAM systems under conditions of jamming, and attack by anti-radiation missiles, cruise missiles, and low observable PGMs.

    The Valeria E comprises at least four networked subsystems, one central processing and C3 cabin, and three antenna/receiver units. While each system provides a circular coverage footprint within which range, azimuth and elevation can be measured, it is intended that multiple systems be deployed with overlapping coverage. Elevated terrain is recommended to improve coverage. The networked components are typically sited at 10 to 35 km apart.

    Основные характеристики:
    Principal characteristics:
    Диапазон, ГГц
    Frequency coverage [GHz]
    0,15-18; (0,15-48)
    0.15 to 18 / 0.15 to 48
    Диапазон прослушивания УКВ связи, МГц
    VHF band coverage [MHz]
    100-500
    Зона обзора (относительно ЦП):
    Coverage footprint:

    по дальности, км
    in range [km]
    0-500
    по азимуту, град.
    in azimuth [deg]
    круговая 0-360
    по высоте, км
    in altitude [km]
    30-40
    Рубежи обнаружения целей по собственным излучениям (БРЛС) и ПАП, км:
    Emitter coverage [km]:

    на высоте, м:
    at emitter altitude of [m]

    10
    30
    50
    50
    100
    60-70
    10000
    450-500
    по целям AN/APY-1
    AN/APY-1 detection range
    800-850 (до 1000 при наличии прямой видимости)
    800-850 (up to 1000 LOS permitting)
    Точность определения местоположения по сигналам БРЛС:
    Emitter locating accuracy:

    по дальности, км
    in range [km]
    0,5-0,7
    по азимуту, угл. мин.
    in azimuth [min of arc]
    1-4
    по высоте (усредненная по трассе) на участке, м:
    in altitude (averaged over track) [m]

    0- 250 км
    500-800
    0- 500 км
    2000-2500
    Количество одновременно сопровождаемых целей
    Number of tracked targets
    До 200
    Выдаваемая информация
    generated outputs
    трассы, параметры траекторий движения и типы целей и ПАП
    tracks, kinematic parameters, type of emitter and mode
    Потребляемая мощность, кВт:
    Power consumption [kW]

    ЦП, кВт
    не более 16
    ВП, кВт
    не более 15
    Среднее время наработки на отказ, ч
    MTBF [hr]
    2000
    Дежурная смена для мобильного варианта, чел.
    Crew complement of mobile variant
    5
    Количество транспортных единиц
    (мобильный/перевозимый вариант)
    Number of vehicles (mobile/transportable variant)
    6/5







    Obama refused to retrieve UAV lost over Iran

    Thursday, December 08, 2011


    Heard on Fox News today ... Obama refused to allow the U.S. to retrieve or destroy lost RQ-170 believed to have glided to ground intact leaving its intel and technology intact for reverse engineering - because 'he was afraid of provoking Iran'.

    The stealth RQ-170 was years and hundreds of millions of dollars in the making.


    Meanwhile, speculation is running rampant that the US RQ-170 surveillance drone was brought down by this piece of equipment supplied to Iran by Russia - the Avtobaza truck-mounted mobile radar jamming system:



    Business Insider reports:
    [...] While most weapons deliveries to Iran are blocked, a jamming system like the Avtobaza is allowed because it's a passively defensive machine "designed to jam side-looking and fire control radars on aircraft and manipulate the guidance and control systems of incoming enemy missiles."

    Possibly what NATO regulators didn't plan on was the jammer's potential as a communications link allowing UAVs to be controlled remotely.


    Whether that's how it was used Sunday is another matter.
    Whatever the case, thanks to Barack Obama, the score in the battle to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons to hand out to fellow Islamic terrorists is now Iran - 1, U.S. - 0.

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    U.S. Officials: American Stealth Drone Shown on Iran TV Likely Not the Real Thing

    By MARTHA RADDATZ (@martharaddatz) and LUIS MARTINEZ (@LMartinezABC)
    Dec. 8, 2011



    The aircraft shown on Iranian television today likely was not the American stealth drone that crashed in Iran last week, as the Iranian government claimed, but was likely just a model, U.S. officials told ABC News.

    Minutes after a Pentagon spokesperson said that military personnel and others were examining the footage broadcast today of what appeared to be an undamaged stealth RQ-170 Sentinel, multiple U.S. officials said that based on inconsistencies with the design of the drone, along with clues from imagery of the actual drone's crash site, they're "leaning towards" believing drone shown was not the Sentinel. U.S. officials previously confirmed that an RQ-170 did, in fact, crash land somewhere in Iran.

    For nearly an hour, Iran's Press TV played and replayed footage of two uniformed military men examining the pristine-looking cream-colored frame of what was supposedly the RQ-170.

    READ: Iran Shows Alleged U.S. Drone on TV

    The Iranian military had claimed it was able to bring down the drone with little damage through a cyber attack as it was flying through Iranian airspace last week. U.S. military officials said the drone was not flying over Iran, but rather in western Afghanistan, and suffered an innocent malfunction before gliding into Iranian airspace. Today U.S. officials said the drone did not land intact.

    Pentagon spokesperson Capt. John Kirby told reporters Monday there was no indication the drone was brought down by "hostile activity of any kind."

    U.S. officials told ABC News Tuesday the drone had been on a secret surveillance mission for the Central Intelligence Agency when its operators lost control. The CIA declined to comment both when Iran claimed to have the drone and after video surfaced today. Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency reported that the drone was designed to automatically destroy sensitive data in the case of a malfunction, but in this case it "failed to do so."

    WATCH: Drone Technology in Hands of Iran?

    The RQ-170, known as the Beast of Kandahar, is one of America's most advanced unarmed surveillance drones -- so sensitive that the Air Force did not even acknowledge its existence until late 2009. It was reportedly used to keep tabs on the man believed to be Osama bin Laden during the Navy SEAL mission that took out the terror leader in Pakistan in May.


    U.S. officials, analysts differ on whether drone in Iran TV video is real



    Tehran, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian TV aired images Thursday of what it says is a U.S. stealth drone that went down in Iran last week, an apparently intact RQ-170 drone propped on a pedestal and triumphantly displayed.

    "Military experts are well aware how precious the technological information of this drone is," said Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, according to the semi-official Fars News Agency.

    There was disagreement among Pentagon officials about whether the drone in the video is real. Military and intelligence officials were analyzing the Iran television footage.

    One U.S. official said right now the U.S. can't be certain it's the real stealth drone, because U.S. personnel don't have access to it. But he added there's no reason to think it's a fake.

    However, a second senior U.S. military official said that a big question the official has about the Iranian footage is to how the drone could have remained virtually intact given the high altitude it is believed to have crashed from.

    Earlier Thursday, a Pentagon spokesman said the video is being examined.

    "We've seen the imagery. There are folks that are looking at it," Capt. John Kirby told a news conference.

    He and his fellow spokesman, George Little, would not comment further on whether the drone is the one that the U.S. military said went missing. They did say that the missing U.S. drone had not been recovered.

    John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, said his initial impression from pictures sent to him by CNN isn't what one would expect to see after a crash. He said he was guessing that the object is a mock-up prepared for a parade, noting a U.S. flag in the picture.

    Pike pointed out that the wings in the picture droop down, whereas in most pictures of such a drone the wings are higher than the center, which is good for stability
    Bill Sweetman, an aviation analyst, said the craft appears to be the RQ-170 and it looks real to him.

    If the drone came down in what he called a flat spin or what is known as a falling leaf departure, the plane would be pretty much intact, but the belly would be badly scraped. He said all of the electronics inside would most likely be in one piece.
    Sweetman doubts the Iranians hacked into the system and took control of the aircraft. It is much more likely it crashed by itself since "that what drones do."

    And the condition also suggests it was not shot down but was a system failure.

    There are no burn marks from a fire, no holes and no outward damage. Sweetman noticed a dent along the leading edge but doesn't know what that necessarily means.

    "It's fairly clear here from the pictures that the outer wings have been separated . The question is did that happen in the accident or whether they took them off to move the aircraft," Sweatman said.

    The CIA and the Pentagon would not comment on the latest development.
    Two U.S. officials confirmed to CNN on Tuesday that the missing drone was part of a CIA reconnaissance mission that involved both the intelligence community and military personnel stationed in Afghanistan.

    A senior U.S. official with direct access to the assessment about what happened to the unmanned aircraft said it was tasked to fly over western Afghanistan and look for insurgent activity, with no directive to either fly into Iran or spy on Iran from Afghan airspace.

    A U.S. satellite quickly pinpointed the downed drone, which apparently sustained significant damage, the senior official said.

    Aired by the official Press TV network, the video Thursday showed different angles of the unmanned aircraft. It had been flying over the eastern town of Kashmar when it went down, the network said.

    "Recently, our collected intelligence and precise electronic monitoring revealed that this aircraft intended to infiltrate our country's airspace for spying missions," Hajizadeh said.

    "After it entered the eastern parts of the country, this aircraft fell into the trap of our armed forces and was downed in Iran with minimum damage."



    Video surfaces of alleged U.S. drone


    He said the wing-to-wing width "is around 26 meters with a length of 4.5 meters and height of 1.84 meters" and the aircraft "is equipped with highly advanced surveillance, data gathering, electronic communication and radar systems."

    Hajizadeh said B-2 and F-35 planes have used the technology found in the aircraft, which is guided via satellite link and land stations in Afghanistan and the United States.

    "As far as its platform and coating are concerned, this kind of plane has been designed to evade radar systems and from the viewpoint of technology it is amongst the most recent types of advanced aircraft used by the U.S.," Hajizadeh said.

    The official Islamic Republic News Agency and Fars said Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Swiss ambassador to Iran, who received an official reprimand for the U.S. actions. Switzerland represents U.S. interests in Iran, which doesn't have diplomatic relations with the United States.

    Iran demanded U.S. reparations for the act, which it says is "against every international law and regulation, as well as contrary to the region's peace and security," Fars said.

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    Do we have a mole in the UAV program? So much does not add up yet. How did Iran or someone in Iran know when and where that drone would be so they could attack it? How did they know how to take this thing down and possibly override the return home and/or the self destruct? If they truly did bring it down with a cyber attack, then they knew almost exactly where to hit it but not destroy it.

    Also, after reading some of what Vector posted, I'm starting to question the aircraft on display. It may be a model, or it may have more damage than we think on the bottom of the aircraft. There is a reason the bottom is covered, you don't cover something unless you don't want it to be seen. its quite possible there is extensive damage on the bottom of the aircraft.

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    There may be bottom damage but, I don't see any leading edge damage. I would expect to see leading edge damage if it was brought down in an uncontrolled manner.

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    There is a report that Satellite images that were taken immediately after the crash showed it as very damaged, so if true that supports the mock up theory.

    I agree as well, that the draping under the wings is to hide something, either damage or a mock up that was made from existing photographs, all from above and front/side.

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    Some are saying they hacked control of the craft but did not have full access and was not able to deploy the landing gear and had to soft belly land.

    Did the malware virus that hit the drones in the region two months ago have Axis origins?

    Looks like it may have come from the Russians.

    Then when Russia gave Iran those mobile radar jammer units were they overseen by Russian operators/aviators?

    These drones are rumored to have a return to base program if it loses contact with the satellite sending transmissions to and from the drone and control base.

    It takes more than just a stronger signal, it takes an encrypted correctly coded signals to override the system.

    The fact that it went where someone else wanted it to go means not only did they figure out the frequencies used but decrypted, translated and counterfeited the signals as they took control of the UAV.

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    guess this bears repeating...

    Sounds like a simple key logger to me, however, it's probably more than a key logger and has a backdoor like other things to give them enough information that they can mutate the virus into a control module.

    That means.... eventually they collect enough data from the logger to be able to seize control of one of the aircraft and send it back home as a weapon.

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    Hard to believe we didn't have safeguards for just such an event. Are we truly so short-sighted? We just need to activate a certain unit that doesn't actually exist and erase that drone from the face of the plante ASAP.

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    Breaking: We were right, Obama GAVE Iran the Drone!

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    A couple of days ago Conunderground.com was the first to point out that the circumstances surrounding the “crash” of the top secret RQ170 Sentinel drone simply didn’t add up. And we were tight! The story continues to develop and it doesn’t look good!

    To recap, first we were told that Iran might’ve shot it down and then the story changed to “the drone crashed on Iranian soil ”

    After realizing that the Iranians were about to parade a perfectly functional drone with nary a scratch on it, the official story changed to “the drone landed because it wants to live” I kid you not that is the official story!



    The flack we caught for running the story was typical of the the kind of BS spewed by Obama’s supporters but none the less I didn’t withdraw the story because the official version simply didn’t add up.

    The immediate and obvious questions were these: 1) Why didn’t we try to recover the drone? 2) In lieu of a rescue effort why didn’t we bomb it into oblivion?
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    THE ANSWERS WILL SHOCK YOU – or maybe not.

    Fox News National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin reported that apparently the Pentagon pleaded with Barrack Hussein Obama to give the order to do just that. The Pentagon initially wanted to send a special forces team to recover the drone. Obama shot down that suggestion. Then the Pentagon offered up Plan B , blow it to kingdom come. FOX News reports that there was third option and Obama struck that down also. Obama refused both whose options as well and now Iran and China have a brand spanking new fully functional top secret US RQ 170 Sentinel Drone.
    The Drone was not recovered or destroyed specifically per Obama’s orders

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    Breaking: We were right, Obama GAVE Iran the Drone!


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    Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:24:21 AM by Just4Him

    A couple of days ago Conunderground.com was the first to point out that the circumstances surrounding the “crash” of the top secret RQ170 Sentinel drone simply didn’t add up. And we were tight! The story continues to develop and it doesn’t look good!

    To recap, first we were told that Iran might’ve shot it down and then the story changed to “the drone crashed on Iranian soil ”

    After realizing that the Iranians were about to parade a perfectly functional drone with nary a scratch on it, the official story changed to “the drone landed because it wants to live” I kid you not that is the official story!

    The flack we caught for running the story was typical of the the kind of BS spewed by Obama’s supporters but none the less I didn’t withdraw the story because the official version simply didn’t add up.

    The immediate and obvious questions were these: 1) Why didn’t we try to recover the drone? 2) In lieu of a rescue effort why didn’t we bomb it into oblivion? Apparently there was third option and Onama struk that down also.

    THE ANSWERS WILL SHOCK YOU – or maybe not. Fox News National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin reported that apparently the Pentagon pleaded with Barrack Hussein Obama to give the order to do just that. The Pentagon initially wanted to send a special forces team to recover the drone. Obama shot down that suggestion. Then the Pentagon offered up plan B , blow it to kingdom come. Obama refused that too and now Iran and China have a brand spanking new fully functional top secret US RQ 170 Sentinel Drone.

    The Drone was not recovered or destroyed specifically per Obama’s orders

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    And still he is in office...

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